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olby sucks
Rezko's guilty
June 5, 2008, 1:00:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
In the urban vernacular, "boo" means "boyfriend" or "male significant other."
If Laura is really gone from radio, that's a shame. At least she has her Fox News analyst position to fall back on. Having said that, in reaction to what she said in the "On the Record" clip below, John McCain did not make me reach for the remote last night. I don't care if he stumbles at any point in his speeches. One thing is for sure, I couldn't watch one second of Obama's speech in St. Paul. It was like watching my favorite team lose a game on the road with the crowd erupting in cheers. I mean, there might as well have been pyrotechnics, sirens that go off for home runs, and victory music playing.
And to think, this thread will be hijacked before long.
June 5, 2008, 1:19:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
It annoys me when my girlfriend calls me boo. She never does it in person, just text messages and emails. Why? Because it sounds stupid when spoken! I think Anderson knew what it meant, but didn't realize how colloquial and unprofessional it sounded coming out.
June 5, 2008, 7:10:04 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Samantha M
We wish the best for Laura maybe she just wanted to take some time out.
Maybe she has a lot on her plate at this time, I am sure she will be back when she is ready.
Regarding Andy C.
Have some sense of humor there has been more unprofessional frases spoken on the air
June 5, 2008, 7:34:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Rezko's guilty
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 1:05 am | #
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I'm not sure this is at all related to cable news, other than the amazing extent to which it has been uncovered by most cable news programs. I guess there must not be that much interest out there.
June 5, 2008, 7:56:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I saw Morning Joe, just a bit, yesterday and today, and he seems to be dealing well with his girl's loss. In fact, he was even a bit critical of her exit stage right technique.
It is amazing to me how these pundits and analysts keep their jobs and their self-respect after being so clearly wrong so much of the time. Scarborough's example above is rather clear. Barnes and Morris stumble a great deal. Kristol is the King of the Kloudy Ball, of course. There are many more.
June 5, 2008, 7:59:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Joe was pretty off, as was Olbermann, regarding HRC....too bad they are not paid for their accuracy.
The radical left's anger at HRC is percolating up through the media now. Olbermann's "shoehorn" comment, that was so nicely chastised by Tom Brokaw, was the sign of that attitude.
Now her supporters are mobilizing to make her VP....oh what a mess SNOBamessiah has on his hands.
http://www.womenforfairpolitics.com/post/2008/06/Petition-to-Sen-Barack-Obama-by-Lanny-J-Davis.aspx
She is kryptonite because she is an enemy of the far left (his base) and if he does choose her, he shows his weakness in not standing up to her strongarm tactics.
June 5, 2008, 8:13:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Watching Mitt Romney right now on Morning Joe, and he's such a total tool. He thinks that people aren't going to link McCain with Bush--what a crock. He voted with Bush 95% of the time in 2007. He's the same guy only older and slightly less stupid.
June 5, 2008, 8:15:04 AM EDT – Like – Reply
VinceP1974
I can't believe Laura was encouraging Huckabee. I dont know anyone who likes Huckabee. Huckabee is way too overtly religious and all the conservatives I know find that way too vulgar. Contrary to Leftist Popular Belief , conservatives do not want a "theocrarcy"
I do find it interesting that the Dems aren't screamin gabout theocracy seeing how Obama's powerbase is a church and his closest allies are all Pastors.
I do agree with her bringing up Romney. I like him.
June 5, 2008, 8:16:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I have deleted a ton of messages from this thread. As expected they had nothing to do with cable news. If this continues I will turn on moderation, which will make posts appear much more slowly, but make it very easy for me to keep things in line. Your choice.
June 5, 2008, 10:20:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Continue talking about arugula and CHANGE! OTM and RK....
cee | 06.05.08 - 10:11 am |
I hope no curiosity has been aroused about the taste of arugula. I'd hate to think of someone running out to get it, eating it, and then reading what's sure to be incessant teenage-groupie-like campaign platitudes from Obama fans.
Arugula is one the least desirable foods to have popping up in a second appearance...
June 5, 2008, 10:26:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH,
Your characterization of Bush is extremely unfair; because the war against Hussein was a war of necessity and not a war of choice. I can't argue that point here however.
I thought that Denis Miller had a good point in his appearance on O'Reilly. He said that ten years ago, most of the Democrats seemed to think that the Clintons (particularly Hillary Clinton) could do no wrong. Now we are being told by a sizable number of Dems (oarticularly the peaceniks) that the Clintons are racist, manipulative and generally bad people.
If the Dems could be so wrong about the Clinton (says Miller), what else could they be wrong about?
Like I say I think Miller made a good point and he is a good addition to the O'Reilly show. I liked him on SNL and he has not lost his touch.
June 5, 2008, 10:29:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Thank you J$ for the deletions! I suspect it's a contract issue between the TRN & Laura and I hope it will work out. Until then I'll be watching her on FoxNews. Thanks for posting the Greta exchange as well.
June 5, 2008, 10:31:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
It is amazing to me how these pundits and analysts keep their jobs and their self-respect after being so clearly wrong so much of the time
i.e. Olbermahn....
June 5, 2008, 10:32:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
You know the sad thing, Johnny, is that this same bunch could still be over at OW touting countless campaign shibboleths and finding yet one more way to say nothing more complex than "Republicans suck".
But they wouldn't.... They couldn't.... ... They were and are morally and intellectually incapable of playing it straight and fair. Their vast disdain for us makes them incapable of it. (I do not include the seemingly noncorrupt nvh in this assessment)
June 5, 2008, 10:41:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Afternoon all
Anyone see Malkin on F&F this morning....I'm sure the e-mail went out to the loyal ones.
Total disaster...Fox screwed up the tapes....Malkin looked foolish(nothing new there)....Doocy vigorously started pimping Hotair and begging folk to go there. :lol: Fair and Balanced???
June 5, 2008, 11:18:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
How can Fox keep the tag of being "America's election HQ" lagging in 3rd place?
"CNN ruled cable news the historic night of the Montana and South Dakota primaries, which wrapped up the Democratic presidential nomination derby in favor of Sen. Barack Obama.
CNN clocked more than 3.5 million viewers in prime time. That's a 34 percent lead over MSNBC's more than 2.5 million viewers. It's also a 47 percent advantage over Fox News Channel's prime-time crowd of 2.4 million viewers.
Yes, it appears MSNBC edged out FNC in prime time Tuesday."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/04/AR2008060404241.html
June 5, 2008, 11:34:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Doocy vigorously started pimping Hotair and begging folk to go there. Fair and Balanced???
HaggisFarmer | 06.05.08 - 11:23 am | #
Thanks for watching!
June 5, 2008, 11:52:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
"Morning Joe" seems to be undergoing a change. Before Scarborough's long absence, he had gotten extremely ill-tempered and hot-headed. It's too early to tell, but he seems, the last couple of days, to have toned down a bit.
Brzezinski, one of the brightest and most articulate women on television, seems to have adopted this flirty, empty-headed blonde routine, a real self-degradation. That, too, has toned down a bit of late.
I surmise that we were dealing with an enormous ego and a bit of unhapiness on the part of "Morning Joe". He is not a great mind. In fact, he is barely adequate. Yet, he is personable, and he is able to handle his guests well. And, the show attracts some excellent guest commentators and guests.
This show could well survive past the campaign season if Scarborough's personality and Brzezinski's intellect are put to good use.
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As for your comment about FNC's election coverage, HF. I do agree it is by far the worst in cable news. It is largely dull, flat and without any real insights. Some of the reporters are good, particularly Garrett, but Hume and the Panel seem to have no energy and all act like it is an imposition to be on the set. I find this surprising, but in the 2000-02-04-06 cycles, I went to FNC for some very good coverage. It has fallen considerably.
June 5, 2008, 11:53:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Sorry to burst your bubble HF, but the primaries are over and the natural order of things return with FoxNews on top every single night of the week. So keep watching the numbers as we will. You'll have to wait for November for another spike, till then we know who's #1.
June 5, 2008, 11:55:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Keith had some fun last night over the false stories Fox & Friends report.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YSk0boctpI
Lets not forget this classic.The "This is HUUUUUUUUUGE" false story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw6LBbeXTww
June 5, 2008, 11:59:33 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
david smawley | 06.05.08 - 12:00 pm |
But it does show folk desert Fox News when wanting to hear about important news....Yes they flood back to see this years spring break videos.
June 5, 2008, 12:08:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Thanks for the Doocy clip, HF. That was a walk down memory lane. I don't think Doocy, F&F or FNC ever retracted. Of course, FNC never retracted Hume's breathless report that WMD's had been found in Iraq.
June 5, 2008, 12:10:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> But it does show folk desert Fox News
That would mean that Fox's ratings were down from their usual on Tuesday. Is that what you are saying? I didn't see that reported anywhere.
June 5, 2008, 12:12:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
American Idol too embarrassed to have Bush on the show.
Now if this had been an NBC show....Would I be right in thinking....Eruptions and Outrage would fly over at FNC
I'm just hearing crickets.
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[Creator Nigel Lythgoe] "said that Idol relented under pressure from the Press people, and allowed him to speak during the star-studded broadcast.
The President is always saying I want to be on [Gives Back], said the Brit. We didnt ask the President this year to say anything because we are all a bit embarrassed about him, and the office insisted that, because the [primary] candidates were on it, the President would like to come on and say thank you."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/05/american-idol-too-embarrassed-to-have-bush-on-the-show/
June 5, 2008, 12:20:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I'm sorry but American Idol is not a cable news program. Please try to be more on topic.
June 5, 2008, 12:27:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 12:17 pm |
But it's a bad sign that their ratings didn't go up on an Historic night.
June 5, 2008, 12:28:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
So let's see. First you said viewers left Fox. That wasn't true. Now you say their ratings didn't go up? Care to try for zero out of two?
June 5, 2008, 12:35:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
"First you said viewers left Fox. That wasn't true."
J$ your spinning like O'reilly...I left Fox and went to CNN....So that statement is true.
June 5, 2008, 12:41:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
>If this continues I will turn on moderation, which will make posts appear much more slowly, but make it very easy for me to keep things in line.<
I am totally on board with that. Let's start it now. Then, people like HF, RK, et. al. will never be seen again.
June 5, 2008, 12:59:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Mike C. | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 1:04 pm |
That's the way...Just silence the Fox critics and all will be well.
I'm on topic...Apart from the idol post.
June 5, 2008, 1:08:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
HF, I don't agree with much of what you say, but you are on topic and have a right to express your cable news opinions. Of course, J$ makes the final call, not me.
June 5, 2008, 1:13:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
"HF, I don't agree with much of what you say"
At least you agree with some of what I say...That's a start. )
But as you say it's a private site and J$ has the ultimate say.
June 5, 2008, 1:18:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
And, even the "Idol" post can be said to be on topic.
Media consolidation presents us with some real issues.
With the Murdoch grouping, we have bawdy news rags, the smuttiest broadcast network in the US and a cable news network that promotes the Republican platform of so-called "family values". I realize that no one, least of all Republicans, takes the famil value mantra seriously, but still, we have some real compromises here, some startling inconsistencies.
Then we MSNBC/NBC we have a troubling union, as well. The corporate web Murdoch has woven so well is less taunt at MSNBC/NBC and that makes the inconsistencies even more apparent.
The web is loosest at CNN, and that is why it is always the most comfortable cable news network for me. I have a far greater source of integrity.
June 5, 2008, 1:23:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Yeah, and I didn't mean to offend, HF.
June 5, 2008, 1:25:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I have a far greater source of integrity.
On The Mark | 06.05.08 - 1:28 pm | #
Fooled me......
June 5, 2008, 1:29:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Mike C. |
No offence taken.
June 5, 2008, 1:34:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince
If Idol is on-topic then maybe I shouljd doing movie reviews for movies produced by 20th Century Fox
June 5, 2008, 1:35:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Vince gets it.
June 5, 2008, 1:37:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
With the Murdoch grouping, we have bawdy news rags, the smuttiest broadcast network in the US and a cable news network that promotes the Republican platform of so-called "family values". I realize that no one, least of all Republicans, takes the famil value mantra seriously, but still, we have some real compromises here, some startling inconsistencies.
by on the clucker/philby
Same thing, different day. Fox/Republicans suck....bla, bla,bla.
June 5, 2008, 1:37:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
JJ$&V....Both seem to have mist my point with the idol post. If the same had been said by an NBC show...FNC would run it 24/7.V....Both seem to have mist my point with the idol post.
If the same had been said by an NBC show...FNC would run it 24/7.
June 5, 2008, 1:41:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
If a bullfrog had wings it wouldn't bump its butt. You can argue that if this then MSNBC or Fox would or wouldn't do that about literally everything. That's just a device to turn this into a political discussion. I am protecting the people who want to discuss cable news and will continue to do so.
June 5, 2008, 1:44:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
From the "haters" link just added, the writer discusses several issues before getting around to the s0-called "superhighway" project that is a favorite fright wig of anti-NAFTA crusaders. He writes:
Its nuts, for sure, but this hasnt stopped Dobbs, Beck, and OReilly from flogging the issue relentlessly.
He then goes on to cite examples from Dobbs and Beck, but none from O'Reilly. Maybe I'm wrong on this, but when did O'Reilly ever talk about the NAFTA superhighway, other than to dismiss it as unimportant?
Is the claim that O'Reilly "flogged" it "relentlessly" true? Or another smear?
June 5, 2008, 1:51:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Dobbs often highlights crimes committed by illegal immigrants on his program.
SOURCE: AP/Luis M. Alvarez
This is what steams the progressives.....Oil for illegals, I say.
June 5, 2008, 1:58:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
On their eponymous programs, [these three] serve up a steady diet of fear, anger, and resentment on the topic of illegal immigration.
This clown must not understand the definition of "illegal."
June 5, 2008, 2:01:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Put NAFTA in a short skirt and Bill O's your man to promote it....But seriously.....There's a lot of facts involved....Facts and Bill O just don't mix.
June 5, 2008, 2:07:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince
There's a major problem going on at the border. Beck has been trying to get CNN to allow him to show some of the photos of the exterme violence but so far CNN has refused to permit him to do so. Imagine the uproar if Fox was refusing to permit the exposure of something like this.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/10924/
It is absolutely staggering on what is happening on the border. 6,000 people have been killed on our border and yet this doesn't seem to resonate with anybody. It doesn't seem to be on any news channels, anything.
So how do you get the message out? Now, I was having a debate with Joe last night about these photos and this is the same debate that we've had on CNN. CNN says you cannot show these photos and the reason why, they say it's just too gruesome. It's too violent. I think that's what you need to see. I think you should -- I think you should be allowed to see these things. Because of that, nobody has any idea of what's going on on the border. I have photos of things that have happened within a few miles of the U.S. border and I don't mean like a big fence. I mean you can just walk across the border. So I've given up on showing on TV
June 5, 2008, 2:09:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I have emailed Eric Alterman, the writer of that article, to ask him if he has documentation for that O'Reilly statement, or if it is a mistake on his part, telling him I never heard O'Reilly even mention it, except once on the radio when he dismissed it as a phony issue.
I note that he uses a media matters report as his source material, and that report specifically does not claim that O'Reilly had anything to do with the superhighway flap. So I'm betting he doesn't have the goods on this one. We will see if he responds and corrects his article. If not, then I guess I'll do something more visible on it.
June 5, 2008, 2:17:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I'd bet he won't respond.
June 5, 2008, 2:22:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I emailed Howard Kurtz the other day about what I considered a small semi-error in something he wrote. He got back to me in like five minutes! We didn't agree on the interpretation of what he wrote but at least he replied and had an argument for phrasing it the way he did.
OTOH, my experience with Salon.com was the exact opposite. Even when they were presented with video proof that what they wrote was wrong, they never responded to my email, let alone make any correction.
We'll have to see which approach Alterman takes, or whether he falls somewhere in between.
June 5, 2008, 2:24:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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June 5, 2008, 3:02:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
The highway is much discussed in Texas, as you can imagine, and I have done considerable research and reading on it. Dobbs' analysis is far different than Beck's. Dobbs very much deals with trade and the impact the mythological highway will have on trade. Beck could not carry on an intelligent discussion of trade issues, and he tends to focus on vehicles laden with Mexicans and Central Americans seeing some town they think they might like, jumping off to claim the town as their home and setting about robbing, raping, looting and stealing before they settle down to a nice dinner of frijoles and tortillas. I do not recall having read or seen anything by O'Reilly specifically on this topic, but he is Beckesque in his low level of intelligence and his flaming tongue. I wouldn't expect much.
I view all three (3) as jingoistic and racist, but I don't think O'Reilly has extensively addressed the road subject. I will add that I don't know that any of these men are truly racist. They might just be pandering to racists for viewership. I'll let you decide whether that is a better or worse.
As an aside, there is not much on-the-ground evidence of the highway. We would already have evidence of local and state Republican office-holders amassing land along the corridor to sell to the government. While there are many of reports of such activities, they all involve the web of parallel toll roads Governor Perry is championing to divert automobile traffic from IH 35, a pre-exisitng roadway from the Mexican to the Canadian border. I think this would be a far more cogent topic for local, broadcast and cable news, but only local news seems to have picked it up.
I am not given to great concern over being a crime victim, and I am certainly less concerned about Mexican and Central American immigrant crime than I am corporate and organized crime. The only kudos I can give the reprehensible Dobbs is that he does at least cover corporate crime as well.
June 5, 2008, 3:08:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
BOR is his own man. He doesn't pander to anyone.
June 5, 2008, 3:11:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
Has Bill O mentioned the cyclists accident in Mexico?
Haggis
Actually it was on Fox's web site. How does it compare the 30 % of our prison population that consist of illegal invaders? Oh and your wisdom about Fox's ratings slipping because they because they didn't go up is just brilliant. They still trounced their competition. Fox is the # 6 rated cable station. Where is MSDNC?
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June 5, 2008, 3:13:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
"Pander" is the easiest catch-all insult one can use when thinking about something is just too cumbersome. You can pick any issue and say "so-and-so is pandering", and never have to explain how you come to that conclusion.
In O'Reilly's case, that's an especially thin reed. Pandering is more credible when there's a specific target audience, but given O'Reilly's views on immigration (for guest workers, against illeals), vs his spectrum of opinions (eg slams Big Oil) it's hard to sustain the theory that there's a specific group he's "pandering" to.
June 5, 2008, 3:14:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
I totally agree with Mr. Cox....Olbermann is not only the face of MSNBC, but he is quickly becoming the face of NBC NEWS.
Great radio plug for olbermannwatch.com is always a bonus.
June 5, 2008, 3:15:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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HaggisFarmer | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 3:07 pm |
How was this off topic?....I was talking about O'reilly/The Factor.
June 5, 2008, 3:17:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Picking out some story about a bicycle accident in Mexico and then saying, I wonder if O'Reilly will cover it? Sorry. You could come up with anything and toss that question in. It's what in the law is called a pretext. Sorry Haggis, stick to real cable news issues, not pretend ones.
June 5, 2008, 3:19:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
Olbermann didn't cover Tony Rezko's conviction. Nor did his mother ship or any other MSDNC propagandist. I would consider that more of a news item than a tragic bicycle accident in Mexico.
June 5, 2008, 3:24:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Please start moderation as soon as possible.
June 5, 2008, 3:26:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
HaggisLOSER
The Factor | 06.05.08 - 3:18 pm |
Can we not rise above name calling?
On on a happier note....I'm really liking Keith's new site....As we don't get MSNBC here....It's now simple to watch the previous nights show....Good job MSNBC.
June 5, 2008, 3:26:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
And no, that comment was not a response to The Factor.
June 5, 2008, 3:26:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
The Factor | 06.05.08 - 3:29 pm |
Obama was never mentioned during the Rezko case....As reported by a FNC reporter on Cavuoto yesterday....I have no video of this but J$ might have.
June 5, 2008, 3:31:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Obama was never mentioned during the Rezko case
From what I heard this morning on FNC his name came up a total of three times, which is pretty small potatoes. But the rest of this stuff is drifting off topic and I will take action.
June 5, 2008, 3:48:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Not surprisingly, Johnny and Mike, you have a much more exhalted view of O'Reilly than I. If we take the mano a mano with Geraldo, by example, there are several ways of looking at:
#1 A legitimate difference of opinion over the issue of crime committed by so-called ilegal aliens.
#2 Raging testosterone.
#3 Theatrics pandering for audience interest.
I suspect the two (2) of you would go with #1, perhaps joined by #2, because you have seen something of value with O'Reilly or with the subject matter that draws you in. I, by contrast, am sure it was #3 because I find little of value with O'Reilly, and he repulses me. I'm not sure any of the three (3) us would be necessarily correct, nor would any of us be incorrect.
I do find less merit in your "pandering" lexiconic lesson, Johnny. When dealing with celebrities, pandering is always a key consideration.
June 5, 2008, 3:52:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
I am usually not a defender of NBC NEWS, but Brian Williams did mention the Rezko conviction right after his fawning interview of SNOBamessiah on NN. He did have the disclaimer that the Senator was not implicated in any of the crimes...blah, blah, blah....
The conviction news was absent from COUNTDOWN as documented over at OW in MUTED MONGRELS....
http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2008/06/countdown_with_469.php
June 5, 2008, 3:53:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
Sorry, I ran us off topic. Back to Rosen letting us all know what really happened during watergate and that Olby's legal stooge was behind it. You think Olby will have the guts to go after Rosen, or will that remain a dog that doesn't bark?
June 5, 2008, 3:54:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
How is robust debate pandering?
June 5, 2008, 3:55:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
As I was listening to James, who's a funny guy in the non-reporting appearances I've seen of him, he almost convinced me to buy "The Strong Man" for my dad for Father's Day. But I decided that wasn't an appropriate Father's Day gift. So, instead, I went with Jim Nantz's new book: "Always By My Side: A Father's Grace and a Sports Journey Unlike Any Other."
June 5, 2008, 3:57:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
I know there's a few Right wingers here...Be honest, do you really take Hannity seriously?
June 5, 2008, 4:01:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
What does "so-called illegal aliens" mean? When you enter a country by breaking that countrys laws that makes you illegal. Pandering is when you pretend the law doesn't exist to get votes from the people breaking the law. How is O'Reilly pandering? Geraldo is pandering. He cares nothing about the people who are working in sweatshops and sleeping by the dozens on the floors of empty houses. He cares nothing about the women who are rapped by coyotes on the boarder. Ignoring crime because it benefits the hunger for power of one party is pandering.
June 5, 2008, 4:06:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
know there's a few Right wingers here...Be honest, do you really take Hannity seriously?
HaggisFarmer | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 4:06 pm | #
Hannity pushes the agenda of conservatism successfully using his free speech rights. You will have to wait till Obamanation is in office for free speech to disappear. Hannity does not lie or distort facts like Olbermann. Hannity provides a conservative point of view about the days news but he does not pretend to be a journalist. So..Be honest, do you really take Olbermann or Mathews seriously?
June 5, 2008, 4:12:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I find Sean irritating. His tones are anything but dulcet. (That means he doesn't have a great voice or delivery.) He rattles off a million points or quotes in his doctrinaire way. He uses that "You are a great American" line for anyone he agrees with. And so on.
Having said all that, I'll defend him against haters of him on the left, particularly the far-left.
June 5, 2008, 4:14:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
What does "so-called illegal aliens" mean?
The Factor | 06.05.08 - 4:11 pm |
I didn't know we had aliens on earth...Damn liberal press covering up the alien invasion.
June 5, 2008, 4:19:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
Mike C. | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 4:19 pm | #
I think Mike C. has a valid opinon of Hannity. Hannity can rub people the wrong way with his style. I like Limbaugh better and Laura Ingram better than Hannity. Mark Steyn is proably the best conservative pundits I have seen on televison.
June 5, 2008, 4:19:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Mike, robust debate is not pandering, as long as it is an honest debate. You are willing to give O'Reilly the benefit of the doubt, I am not.
I will say that the explosion seemed a bit spontaneous. That would tend to suggest it was an honest debate, even if it was tasteless.
The problem with your argument, The Factor, is that we do presume innocence in the US. At least we say we do. I have an Hispanic secretary, with striking Mestiso features. Her family has lived in Texas since well before Texas was a nation or state, since well before the US even existed. She is constantly harassed by law enforcement personnel. By contarst, if you put me in the Rheinlandt, I am indistiguishable from the locals. I never get stopped by law enforcement personnel. We're presuming guilt aren't we. I'm not prepared to do that, and I don't throw "illegal" or "guilty" around very easily. Arguably, there may be times when law enforcement needs to profile. I don't believe there are many such instances in this immigration matter, but I'll accept that premise for the same of argument. I ask you: Is there ever a need for a cable show host/anchor/commenter to racially or ethnically profile? What urgent need is served by that?
June 5, 2008, 4:21:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Unlike Olbermann, Hannity is truth in advertising as a partisan advocate.
So, I say more power to him in his annoying the left.
His ratings both on FOX and on the radio are consistant. This means he should be taken seriously because he has a big audience.
Style....he can grate on me. I don;t think he could be a Mensa member, but that's ok.
On his radio show, Hannity has guests like Senator Lieberman, Lanny Davis, Bob Beckel, even Senator Kennedy and even the honorable Reverand Wright!....Wow, people from the "other side" he can find common ground with and allow them to voice their side of the story....Contrast this with Mr. Olbermann, especially his FOX show which allows debate.
June 5, 2008, 4:25:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince
Hannity annoys me. I can't watch/listen to his shows
June 5, 2008, 4:28:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
When has O'Reilly called for profiling of Hispanics? When O'Reilly talks of illegals, he is usually talking about illegals who have been previously been arrested and release without their residency status being determined or who have been deported previously. Why is it profiling for the police to request ID from someone who has been convicted of a crime? Never has O'Reilly suggested that the police go door to door in hispanic neigbor hoods requesting ID.
June 5, 2008, 4:30:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
I quite often watch BBC America news....If you need a slagging match every interview...it's not for you....Put simple, It's a breath of fresh air.
June 5, 2008, 4:44:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
know there's a few Right wingers here...Be honest, do you really take Hannity seriously?
HaggisFarmer | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 4:06 pm | #
Just as seriosly as you take orangy......
June 5, 2008, 4:45:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
....Put simple, It's a breath of fresh air.
HaggisFarmer | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 4:49 pm | #
Especially when they sing your song....
June 5, 2008, 4:50:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Notice how patsy or philby will define "so called Illegal?"
June 5, 2008, 4:51:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I quite often watch BBC America news....If you need a slagging match every interview...it's not for you....Put simple, It's a breath of fresh air.
HaggisFarmer | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 4:49 pm | #
That makes as much sense as tuning in to a Canadian station to get news about Austrailia.....
June 5, 2008, 4:54:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
J$....Is there not a rule about name calling...Another bad habit they've picked up from Oreilly/Hannity/Gibson
June 5, 2008, 4:54:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
C'mon patsy, splain yourself....
June 5, 2008, 4:55:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
That makes as much sense as tuning in to a Canadian station to get news about Austrailia.....
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 4:59 pm |
Yet you happily tune into Fox for your world news.
June 5, 2008, 4:57:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
Isn't the BBC the ones who hire Hezbolla members as "photo jounalist" to doctor photos of boming damage or is that the AP?
June 5, 2008, 4:58:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
The Factor | 06.05.08 - 5:03 pm |
The Factor's had to much Malkin exposure....Me thinks.
June 5, 2008, 5:00:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
Oh, wait, the BBC is the network that spiked stories from NASA about artic ice increasing in size because they got one nasty e-mail from an enviromental group.
June 5, 2008, 5:01:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Isn't the BBC the ones who hire Hezbolla members as "photo jounalist" to doctor photos of boming damage or is that the AP?
The Factor | 06.05.08 - 5:03 pm | #
I think both were guilty.
June 5, 2008, 5:01:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I never knew FNC had world news. I'll have to check it out someday.
I do love the BBC, by the way. I would bore many Americans to death, but I like the depth, the way it doesn't assume all the viewers are moronic and xenophobic. I will US cable news would mimic it just a bit. The closest we've had in recent years is Aaron Brown, a name that conjures up fear and loathing by many FNC folks, perhaps because he doesn't wear squirt flowers or juggle possums while he is eating toothpaste sandwiches and brethlessly reporting on the breaking news about Lohan or Spears.
June 5, 2008, 5:01:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
On The Mark | 06.05.08 - 5:06 pm |
"I never knew FNC had world news. I'll have to check it out someday."
Excellent....LMAO
June 5, 2008, 5:04:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
perhaps because he doesn't wear squirt flowers or juggle possums while he is eating toothpaste sandwiches and brethlessly reporting on the breaking news about Lohan or Spears.
On The Mark | 06.05.08 - 5:06 pm | #
No, he justs defends te enemy. No biggie to an sp.
June 5, 2008, 5:04:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
Yes we need more BBC war correspondents who when they are not doctoring photos for the BBC, they are planting IEDs.
June 5, 2008, 5:09:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
They also pursue and give money to terrorists for those neat little videos of our soldiers being killed. The ones that the left like to cry about all day every day. Ironic? Indeed.
June 5, 2008, 5:12:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> "I never knew FNC had world news. I'll have to check it out someday."
> Excellent....LMAO
Yeah 'excellent'. Tell that to Steve Centanni who was kidnapped and held hostage reporting from Gaza. Really funny that.
June 5, 2008, 5:12:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
C'mon, Johnny. Do you expect patsy or philby to know about that? They get news from bbc and orangy. That story was totally ignored by BOTH!
June 5, 2008, 5:14:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 5:17 pm |
Alan Johnston(BBC) was also kidnapped in Gaza.
June 5, 2008, 5:15:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Fine, why don't you make a joke about that and have a good laugh.
June 5, 2008, 5:16:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 5:21 pm |
I don't remember joking about anyone being kidnapped to be honest.
June 5, 2008, 5:18:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Alan Johnston(BBC) was also kidnapped in Gaza.
HaggisFarmer | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 5:20 pm | #
Wasn't he the one that appeared on tv right after he was "freed" all clean shaven, clean and smiling and havng good laugh till he realized the camera was rolling?
June 5, 2008, 5:19:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
That's right OS....But ou forgot to mention....During his 4 months in captivity...He secretly slipped into Iraq with his kidnappers to plant IEDs
June 5, 2008, 5:23:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Was that picture of orangy w/his hands over his face taken when he got news that the surge was working?
June 5, 2008, 5:24:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Looks like murtha is one step closer to prison. More Marines found "not guilty" in the haditha hoax.
June 5, 2008, 5:39:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
The Scoreboard: Wednesday, June 4
25-54 demographic: (L +SD)
O'reilly: 488
Keith: 550
What say you J$/OS/TF/MC
Info: mediabistro.com/
June 5, 2008, 5:39:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Haven't I heard you say that "ratings don't matter?" Do your philosphy's change with your names? Jus curious.
June 5, 2008, 5:54:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tony
The Scoreboard: Wednesday, June 4
25-54 demographic: (L +SD)
O'reilly: 488
Keith: 550
What say you J$/OS/TF/MC
Info: mediabistro.com/
HaggisFarmer | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 5:44 pm | #
Haggi: I notice that you left out TOTAL viewers. What pray-tell would be the reason for that. It couldnt be that Oreilly had over 1,000,000 more than Olbermann, would it? Hmm?
June 5, 2008, 5:58:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
tony, go easy on patsy. He's a lonely olbyloon.
June 5, 2008, 6:00:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
tony | 06.05.08 - 6:03 pm |
Total viewers don't matter....Advertisers just aren't interested in 5 million 80 year old viewers watching a programme....The 25-54 demo is King.
June 5, 2008, 6:03:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Yeah 'excellent'. Tell that to Steve Centanni who was kidnapped and held hostage reporting from Gaza. Really funny that.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 5:17 pm | #
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The topic was international news, Johnny, and FNC's idea of international news is done exclusively through an American perspective. The key word is "exclusively". Your response was both spurious and inflammatory. Completely out of line.
June 5, 2008, 6:05:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tony
Total viewers don't matter....Advertisers just aren't interested in 5 million 80 year old viewers watching a programme....The 25-54 demo is King.
HaggisFarmer | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 6:08 pm | #
Total viewers dont matter LOL. So if Olbermann were to ever beat Oreilly in total, you would say that it doesnt matter. Now go look in the mirror and practice saying that without laughing.
June 5, 2008, 6:09:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
tony | 06.05.08 - 6:14 pm |
Personally that would be nice....But I'm not an advertiser....If keith's win was made up of all 80 year old viewers....The advertisers would just turn away...That's fact.
June 5, 2008, 6:14:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Total viewers:
O'Reilly 2842
Countdown: 1516
Almost double, eat that.
/slightly less than the usual triple
June 5, 2008, 6:14:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Speaking of advertisers, I wonder how many times more money they pay to advertise on the Factor than on Countdown. My bet is somewhere in line with the total viewers.
Anyone have prices?
June 5, 2008, 6:15:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tony
Haggi: Thats fact.......in your mind maybe, but thats about it.
June 5, 2008, 6:25:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
I see J$ is staying below the parapet on this one
June 5, 2008, 6:27:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
tony | 06.05.08 - 6:30 pm |
OK....But I know who I'd rather advertise to.
June 5, 2008, 6:30:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Your response was both spurious and inflammatory. Completely out of line.
I'll be the judge of that. I found the whole notion of dismissing people who risk their lives and even get kidnapped in the pursuit of their profession to be the subject of cheap laughs to be repellent myself.
June 5, 2008, 6:44:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> I see J$ is staying below the parapet on this one
I've been working in the bunker so I could publish another example of the newshounds lying about Fox.
June 5, 2008, 6:45:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 6:50 pm |
I have to laugh....NH monitors Fox...You monitor NH.....Who monitors you....And who monitors them?
But what Demo is most important?
June 5, 2008, 6:54:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Aeris Gainsborough
Steve Doocy, and Rancid Romney make Media Matters, today:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200806050009
Very Good catch by Media Matters. WPITW nomiation, hopefully.
June 5, 2008, 7:13:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Aeris Gainsborough
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June 5, 2008, 7:28:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
VinceP1974
J$: You're a patient man. More patient than I could ever be.
June 5, 2008, 7:40:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Speaking of advertisers, I wonder how many times more money they pay to advertise on the Factor than on Countdown. My bet is somewhere in line with the total viewers.
Anyone have prices?
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 6:20 pm | #
Let's see. O'Reilly pulls 10 mil.....Orangy 'pulls' 3 mil. No brainer....
June 5, 2008, 7:50:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
HOHO...It's nearly that time of night again folks...Get ready for the pre-taped O'reilly Factor!!
I'll give Bill 1min before he fires off a far-left wing salvo.
June 5, 2008, 7:55:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Bill is trending down, Keith is trending up. No getting around it. Total viewers count, I guess, if you think that people that are 70 years old and are probably only going to be around for another 2 to 5 years.
They neither have long-term purchasing power nor long-term influence on the course of the nation. You know the guy that can barely bend over to water the flowers the hedge his window sil that his dead wife planted two years ago? That's Bill's audience. Not much influence. That's why the only people that quote total viewers are Bill O'Reilly fans. It's the only way to make him appear relevent.
June 5, 2008, 8:07:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
* ...around for another 2 to 5 years matter to advertisers or the future of this country.
June 5, 2008, 8:10:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Monica Crowley said "little punk out of Chicago"....Outrageous...Bill O never mist a beat.
June 5, 2008, 8:10:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"As I work, I stream the liberal radio stations in my office. I try to listen to Stefanie Miller, some Lionel, some Thom Hartmann, Randi Rhodes, etc.
I have been amazed to hear the calls over the last few days from caller after caller claiming that they cannot vote for Obama because he's inexperienced, or he knows Rezko or Wright or because Michelle made the 'proud of her country' statement."
LOL!
June 5, 2008, 8:11:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Monica Crowley said "little punk out of Chicago"....Outrageous...Bill O never mist a beat.
HaggisFarmer | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 8:15 pm | #
Thanks for watching!
June 5, 2008, 8:12:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Monica Crowley said "little punk out of Chicago"....Outrageous...Bill O never mist a beat.
Haggis I thought you were above such things. You are not telling the truth. Monica Crowley, quoting what people said to HER, used that phrase. Bill immediately interjected and made sure she was not expressing her own opinion, and added that he does not want Obama disrespected that way.
So as OS said, thanks for watching. But I'll add, next time tell the truth.
June 5, 2008, 8:21:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Lesbians on The Factor...Real meaning...ratings were low last night chaps...Stuff what Ingraham says...Get the lesbians on.
June 5, 2008, 8:22:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 8:26 pm |
Can't get a thing past you...But admit it, you had to recheck the tape.
Lesbians coming up.
June 5, 2008, 8:27:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I did not have to check the tape. It was crystal clear. And it sounds like you knew it was crystal clear all along. Not good.
June 5, 2008, 8:28:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Haggis admits to being dishonest. Classy. Not.
June 5, 2008, 8:30:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tess
I read that on the Rezko trial the names of Karl Rove and Dennis Hastert came up.. Patrick Fitzgerald is interested now.
June 5, 2008, 8:33:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I thought spolbyloons were supposed to admire lesbians? Do you hate maddow, too? Why all the hate, patsy?
June 5, 2008, 8:33:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Patrick Fitzgerald is interested now.
tess | 06.05.08 - 8:38 pm | #
Be vewy afwaid!
June 5, 2008, 8:34:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 8:38 pm |
I have many lesbian friends....O'reilly is using said lesbians for a badly needed ratings boost.
June 5, 2008, 8:35:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
O'reilly is using said lesbians for a badly needed ratings boost.
HaggisFarmer | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 8:40 pm | #
Proof?
June 5, 2008, 8:36:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I read that on the Rezko trial the names of Karl Rove and Dennis Hastert came up.. Patrick Fitzgerald is interested now.
tess | 06.05.08 - 8:38 pm | #
Did you catch that obama came up, too? LOL!
June 5, 2008, 8:37:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 8:33 pm
I was just testing to see if folk actually watched O'reilly...J$ does...OS hadn't a clue.
June 5, 2008, 8:40:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
You're lying, hf.
June 5, 2008, 8:41:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
That goes w/out saying, though.
June 5, 2008, 8:41:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Must be time to change names, eh, hf?
June 5, 2008, 8:42:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Goldberg....Is publicly ridiculing O'Reilly interview standards. LOL
June 5, 2008, 8:44:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> I was just testing to see if folk actually watched O'reilly.
That sort of 'testing' isn't welcome here. Is the point that if no one catches it, then you have unleashed a lie that will forever stand uncorrected? It's bad enough for me to have to run around correcting lies from other sites. I don't want to have to do it for posters at my own site.
June 5, 2008, 8:45:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I watched it too, Haggis. Just now thanks to DVR (skipping all commercials as always). You knowingly did not tell the truth.
Also, what's with this 70+ claim you keep reiterating with the "prime demo"? It's 25-54. Guess they have more than 2 years to live.
June 5, 2008, 8:45:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Goldberg....Is publicly ridiculing O'Reilly interview standards. LOL
HaggisFarmer | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 8:49 pm | #
I'm listening to Sav, not watching Bill and I can tell you this is another lie.
June 5, 2008, 8:47:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
The Goldberg thing he said isn't true either, and I'm starting to tire of people who deliberately throw around crap like this. The purpose of this site is to discuss and inform, not sabotage and misinform.
June 5, 2008, 8:47:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Goldberg(that might be wrong)...The interview is more about you(o'reilly) than the person your interviewing...
June 5, 2008, 8:48:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
*attribute the 70+ and 2 years part of my comment to "Republican Killa", not Haggis.
What disgusting names you folks choose.
June 5, 2008, 8:48:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Goldberg: I said it was DIFFERENT, I didn't say it was bad. (paraphrase)
Looks like someone here may not be an honest broker.
June 5, 2008, 8:49:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tess
Of course I knew that Obama's name came up. It was previously stated on some of the comments. Nobody had mentioned Karl Rove , Dennis Hastert and Patrick Fitzgerald.
June 5, 2008, 8:51:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Looks like someone here may not be an honest broker.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 8:54 pm | #
The dog pound taught him well........
June 5, 2008, 8:51:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
DIFFERENT
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 8:54 pm |
just a suggestions...Read between the lines
June 5, 2008, 8:52:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
What disgusting names you folks choose.
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 8:53 pm | #
....Total viewers count, I guess, if you think that people that are 70 years old and are probably only going to be around for another 2 to 5 years.
Where do I mention the prime demo?
Learn to read.
June 5, 2008, 8:52:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Republican Killa | 06.05.08 - 8:57 pm | #
How about you search this comment thread for "demo". It was the topic of discussion, the primary demographic vs total viewers of O'Reilly vs Olby and the importance of the different numbers.
Learn to read.
June 5, 2008, 8:54:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
MODERATION, JOHNNY! PLEASE! NOW!
June 5, 2008, 8:54:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Time to go, nite!
June 5, 2008, 8:55:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Mike, a majority of these comments are related to cable news.
June 5, 2008, 8:56:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Olbermann is trending up in the money demo, O'Reilly is trending down, tess.
When this is brought up, FOX fans say that O'Reilly has more total viewers. Problem is, they have a limited role in the extended future of the country and little time to develop purchasing habits. Therefore, advertisers don't pay them much mind.
And if you hate my name (which is a knock-off on a rapper name) I'll have you know that I'd go by my first name but then olbysucks etc will accuse me of having a "sock puppet" and other crap.
June 5, 2008, 8:56:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
VinceP1974
I'm listening to Sav, not watching Bill and I can tell you this is another lie.
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 8:52 pm | #
When you said oil for illegals earlier I had a hunch you listened to sav.
June 5, 2008, 8:57:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
olbysucks etc will accuse me of having a "sock puppet" and other crap.
Republican Killa | 06.05.08 - 9:01 pm | #
Another lie. Jeeeez!
June 5, 2008, 8:58:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
What disgusting names you folks choose.
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 8:53 pm |
Only someone who hadn't tried Haggis could say such a thing.
June 5, 2008, 8:58:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
When you said oil for illegals earlier I had a hunch you listened to sav.
VinceP1974 | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 9:02 pm | #
I guess you do, too.....It is a great idea. Oil for illegals solves 2 major problems.
June 5, 2008, 8:59:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> O'Reilly is trending down, tess.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/05/30/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-may-29/3980
Nope you're wrong again. There is no such trend. Please try to tell the truth.
June 5, 2008, 9:00:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Learn to read.
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 8:59 pm | #
You were referring to my comment, and saying that I put 70 plus viewers in the demo.
Learn to read.
June 5, 2008, 9:01:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
It is a great idea. Oil for illegals solves 2 major problems.
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 9:04 pm |
I'm surprised J$ lets that sort of thing stay on his site
June 5, 2008, 9:01:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
HaggisFarmer | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 9:03 pm | #
Hey, I'd try it (I've eaten heart, liver, squirrel (gonna get slammed for that)) but to be a farmer of organs is a bit...lol
June 5, 2008, 9:01:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> I'm surprised J$ lets that sort of thing stay on his site
So am I but the stuff is coming in too fast, thanks to someone who keeps posting falsehoods I have to correct. Maybe I should try moderation for 8:00 pm to the next morning so that I can do this stuff in a more orderly fashion.
June 5, 2008, 9:03:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Republican Killa | 06.05.08 - 9:06 pm | #
So you were talking about a completely different age range than everyone else in the conversation. Fine.
Fact is, O'Reilly has more viewers, night after night for years now.
June 5, 2008, 9:04:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Sorry Dollar. You're right, O'Reilly is skyrocketing:
http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=936
He's going like gangbusters.
June 5, 2008, 9:06:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 9:06 pm |
Did you cook the squirrel Huckabee style?
go for it...Just don't think about what's in it.
June 5, 2008, 9:06:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I'm sure I trust newscorpse, an unbiased source if there ever was one, over the actual Nielsen numbers. Fact remains, your claim that he is trending down is false.
June 5, 2008, 9:07:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Fact is, O'Reilly has more viewers, night after night for years now.
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 9:09 pm | #
No, I talk about the demo, who are watching Olbermann more and more. Than some FOX lunatic says something like, "Fact is, O'Reilly has more viewers, night after night for years now."
He's gained 13% in the demo May to May; Olbermann's gained 112%.
June 5, 2008, 9:09:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Barack Obama is meeting with Hillary Clinton tonight according to Chuck Todd.
June 5, 2008, 9:10:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> He's gained 13% in the demo May to May
Oh wait I thought he was "trending down"! Thanks for admitting you were wrong.
June 5, 2008, 9:10:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Okay Dollar, he's not trending down, he's keeping even. Good for him. Yelling like a moron has to appeal to a certain number of idiots, alot like Larry the Cable Guy.
June 5, 2008, 9:11:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Can I vote against post moderation?
Massive conversation killer.
June 5, 2008, 9:13:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
wait I thought you just said he went up. By your own numbers. Now you call it 'keeping even'?
If numbers don't meaning anything because it's idiots watching then here's a suggeston: stop citing (or misciting) numbers.
June 5, 2008, 9:13:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
VinceP1974
I say we all just ignore RK. Can anyone honestly say they're gettign any value from talking with him?
June 5, 2008, 9:14:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Fox Fan, you're not the reason I urged moderation. OS, you're not either. And I don't have time to list the good guys and gals, but you're the ones that aren't trolls.
June 5, 2008, 9:14:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I agree that moderation is a conversation killer. But so is a swarm of messages deliberately posting falsehoods, so that as soon as one is debunked another one pops up. That's not conversation either.
June 5, 2008, 9:16:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
>I say we all just ignore RK.<
Exactly. That's the only way to defeat a troll, bully, or an idiot that yells "Hey! Are you gonna pay me my money, b****, or what?!" from his car before driving away laughing (which happened to me last month) is to ignore them. If I was in and instant messaging program, I'd block the person.
June 5, 2008, 9:16:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Vince,
Aren't you the guy that doesn't know what Marxism is yet you toss the term around anyway?
And Dollar: 13% is treading water in the TV world; 112% is erupting.
June 5, 2008, 9:17:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Okay, I'm saying that O'Reilly May to May is up a sliver and Olbermann is sky rocketing.
Prove me wrong.
And Vince? Explain Marxism, genius.
June 5, 2008, 9:18:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
That depends on where you start from. Start low enough and any improvement can be a triple-digit 'eruption'
June 5, 2008, 9:18:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Marxism is off topic. Any further posts on that will not survive.
June 5, 2008, 9:19:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Is RK having a triple-digit eruption over Olby? Still a mere spurt, relative to O'Reilly's ratings.
Good point, johnny.
June 5, 2008, 9:21:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Actually I have done better than Olbermann. I have a private radio show in my home with zero listeners. This year I have improved my number of listners to over 100,000%
Of course the fewer listeners you have to begin with the easier it is to show a great percentage growth.
June 5, 2008, 9:21:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 9:23 pm | #
Oh I see. So the fact that Olbermann is building his brand fantastically and O'Reilly has, basically, hit his peak is a non-issue to you.
I see.
June 5, 2008, 9:22:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I tried to post the above post a few minutes ago but it did not catch.
June 5, 2008, 9:22:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
danny | 06.05.08 - 9:26 pm | #
Olbermann beat O'Reilly in the demo last night, bucky. And it's becoming more and more common.
June 5, 2008, 9:23:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 9:26 pm | #
You have no idea what you are talking about, and frankly, it's more sad than pathetic.
Olbermann, at this rate, will be killing O'Reilly by the end of the summer. He better start yelling about imaginaery lesbian gangs or something.
June 5, 2008, 9:24:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Yes he did, in the L+S demo that inflates MSNBC's numbers. In live viewers, O'Reilly won the demo.
June 5, 2008, 9:25:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Bill O was defending this miserable demo rating tonight...I'm sure Keith will poke sum fun.
June 5, 2008, 9:25:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Oh, wait, now you ARE talking about the demo RK. Funny, I thought you told me to learn to read that you weren't.
June 5, 2008, 9:25:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
And Dollar? From May 28 to May 29, his viewers dropped.
Opps.
June 5, 2008, 9:26:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
A one-day "trend"? Care to guess how many different shows change numbers day to day? That is the silliest yet, to silly to bother with.
June 5, 2008, 9:27:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
And yet, Olby still lost. By FAR.
June 5, 2008, 9:28:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Oh, wait, now you ARE talking about the demo RK. Funny, I thought you told me to learn to read that you weren't.
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 9:30 pm | #
Total viewers count, I guess, if you think that people that are 70 years old and are probably only going to be around for another 2 to 5 years.
They neither have long-term purchasing power nor long-term influence on the course of the nation. You know the guy that can barely bend over to water the flowers the hedge his window sil that his dead wife planted two years ago? That's Bill's audience. Not much influence. That's why the only people that quote total viewers are Bill O'Reilly fans. It's the only way to make him appear relevent.
Republican Killa | 06.05.08 - 8:12 pm | #
Yeah, if you can read, you can tell that I think quoting total viewers is pointless. Therefore, I think that it is only prudent to quote Demo numbers.
But you can't read.
June 5, 2008, 9:29:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
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June 5, 2008, 9:29:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Ouch, don't hurt my ego with those personal attacks. Guess you don't have an argument at all when you resort to speaking like that.
June 5, 2008, 9:31:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
The demo I'm familiar with is 25-54. I don't know how 70 years old figures into that. But after telling us how unimportant ratings are because viewers are idiots, I'd like you to tell us what month O'Reilly has ever lost in the demo. Just one.
June 5, 2008, 9:31:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Also, what's with this 70+ claim you keep reiterating with the "prime demo"? It's 25-54. Guess they have more than 2 years to live.
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 8:50 pm | #
*attribute the 70+ and 2 years part of my comment to "Republican Killa", not Haggis.
What disgusting names you folks choose.
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 8:53 pm | #
Yawn.
You can't read.
June 5, 2008, 9:32:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well, not to change the subject... but I'm very glad over how well Laura looks.
I know with her past problems, her hiatus from her radio program seemed ominous.
Well, it's such a relief to see her looking so very well. Her tan is attractive (always a point of wistful refection among the snow whites of the world).
I enjoyed the banter between Laura and Greta. I know FNC gets some teasing about the amount of lipstick used by the female talent and that's fair because there is certainly an emphasis on wearing clothing a size smaller than you fit there too. However, since I've pulled up a stool here at JD's and have been watching FNC more than MSNBC now, it's obvious to me that fox females have a stronger presence than women on other channels. They have a stronger on-air voice and seem to operate as co-equals with male staffers there in a way I only saw on Morning Joe at MSNBC.
I don't know about CNN, I never watch it.
June 5, 2008, 9:32:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
The demo I'm familiar with is 25-54. I don't know how 70 years old figures into that. But after telling us how unimportant ratings are because viewers are idiots, I'd like you to tell us what month O'Reilly has ever lost in the demo. Just one.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 9:36 pm | #
Can't you read either? The quote is saying that O'Reilly fans are quoting total viewers. No mention of the demo.
June 5, 2008, 9:33:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Cecelia, how dare you comment about something also posted in the main article? Of course I kid the Cecelia. For that noble attempt to get things off the diversionary falsehoods that are cluttering up this thread, you are Commenter of the Day.
June 5, 2008, 9:34:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
Yelling like a moron has to appeal to a certain number of idiots
Yup. A CERTAIN NUMBER of people. Not all people.
Can...not...read.
June 5, 2008, 9:35:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
It's amazing how many people who can't read can prove you wrong in writing RK.
Olby has less viewers than O'Reilly. Period.
June 5, 2008, 9:35:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Kirsten Powers is not as smooth as Alan Colmes, but she is bright and boy is she better to look at.
June 5, 2008, 9:35:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny, I'll take Commenter of the Day even when you are just trying to make a point!
Hurray! I won!
June 5, 2008, 9:35:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
It's amazing how many people who can't read can prove you wrong in writing RK.
Olby has less viewers than O'Reilly. Period.
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 9:40 pm | #
Total viewers count, I guess, if you think that people that are 70 years old and are probably only going to be around for another 2 to 5 years.
Yawn.
June 5, 2008, 9:36:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
"it's obvious to me that fox females have a stronger presence than women on other channels."
Cecelia | 06.05.08 - 9:37 pm |
It's the bleached big hair I tell you
June 5, 2008, 9:37:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well, they do seem to "have more fun"....
June 5, 2008, 9:38:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I don't know where this 70+ number comes from, please enlighten RK.
Haggis, it's also the lip gloss.
June 5, 2008, 9:38:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
VinceP1974
Laura Ingraham is a class act. I was mad when WIND in Chicago changed her hours and put in two local yahoos in her place
June 5, 2008, 9:40:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Murdoch gets a well deserved worst person in the world from Keith...Keep an eye on Roger
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#24994803
June 5, 2008, 9:43:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
You know what? Until this place is moderated, I quit commenting. I can't take this crap anymore. If anyone wants to keep in touch with me, e-mail me. The address is on my blog's About page as well as on my website's homepage. Goodbye.
June 5, 2008, 9:44:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Sorry to see you go MikeC. Remember, if you quit commenting here, the terrorists will have already won.
June 5, 2008, 9:47:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Well-deserved WPITW Haggis? For an old story about an inconsequential firing? I can think of a few terrorists who never got that award.
Mike, hope it's not true.
June 5, 2008, 9:48:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Worst person in the world award is an exercise in arrogance and stupidity. We have warlords who exterminate people by the thousands and olbermann awards some person he does not like the worst person of the world award.
Laugh in used to give the fickle finger of fate award. That was kind of funny. But Olbermann's award is arrogant, heavy handed and stupid. Kind of like he is.
June 5, 2008, 9:48:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Smart man, danny.
June 5, 2008, 9:50:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Republican Killa
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/01/18/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-january-17/2416
O'Reilly's is generally above 600k
Olbermann's around 350k
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/05/16/oreilly-vs-olbermann-through-thursday-may-15/3801
O'Reilly's around 500k
And Olbermann's....around 500k
June 5, 2008, 9:51:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
the the terrorists will have already won.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 9:52
terrorists????....These talking points just keep slipping out.
June 5, 2008, 9:51:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Mike, what Johnny just said is truer than you yet realize...
June 5, 2008, 9:52:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Did some'un say tarrists?!? Git my ovr'n'under!
It's humor Haggis.
June 5, 2008, 9:52:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Er, humour...
June 5, 2008, 9:54:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 9:57 pm |
I forgot you Right wingers leap under the bed at the mention of terrorists....I'll not say the T word again. :lol:
June 5, 2008, 9:57:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I'll let the figurative terrorists Johnny was referring to (he meant the trolls and far-left) win. I don't care. You guys can handle the fight without me. I'm inconsequential here anyway thanks to the trolls and the falsehood-disputing responses that follow.
June 5, 2008, 9:58:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I think that snide and insulting comments should be moderated. There is a way of getting one's point across without being rude. Making caustic comments with the purpose of trying to start a food fight is my definition of trolling.
June 5, 2008, 10:00:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Leap under the bed Haggis? I get my over and under!
Mike, you're not inconsequential. You keep things on track.
June 5, 2008, 10:00:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I should probably start an e-mail discussion list with you guys. Trolls would have to request subscription. And guess what I'd do to that request?
June 5, 2008, 10:00:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I would like to see a forum here. It would be the moderation accompanied by the freedom of speech.
June 5, 2008, 10:02:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
>Making caustic comments with the purpose of trying to start a food fight is my definition of trolling.<
Exactly.
June 5, 2008, 10:02:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
I'm inconsequential here
Mike C. | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 10:03 pm |
MC...No one's inconsequential...Well maybe O'reilly is.
June 5, 2008, 10:03:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
By all means ignore the troll word, Hagis and go back to pissing your pants over right wingers.
June 5, 2008, 10:03:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
HF, you're part of the reason I want to leave. I'll bet that makes you proud.
June 5, 2008, 10:03:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
>Making caustic comments with the purpose of trying to start a food fight is my definition of trolling.<
>No one's inconsequential...Well maybe O'reilly is.<
Nice job fitting the definition, Haggis.
June 5, 2008, 10:04:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Mike C. | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 10:08 pm |
I'm sorry to hear that....But I've been posting on cable news matters.
June 5, 2008, 10:05:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
VinceP1974
HF makes me want to leave too. Having to read non-stop sneering and jeering is tedius.
June 5, 2008, 10:08:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Mike C., I understand your frustration over people who post for no other reason than to try an annoy others who don't happen to share their views, but please be a little more resilient here.
June 5, 2008, 10:09:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
HF doesn't make me want to leave. He helps me to realize where some of the kooks out there are coming from. Thank you, Haggis.
June 5, 2008, 10:11:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
RK's the main reason.
June 5, 2008, 10:11:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Gentlemen, you don't HAVE to read him.
Skip him...
Johnny has things pretty damn well under control here. A few barbs under the guise of interest in cable news isn't anything like the sort of chaos you could have. That OW had.
June 5, 2008, 10:12:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Agreed that the sneering and jeering are tedious to sift through, VinceP.
June 5, 2008, 10:12:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
And I was serious about starting a discussion list. I'm working on that in Topica right now.
June 5, 2008, 10:12:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
kooks out there are coming from. Thank you, Haggis.
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 10:16 pm | #
Name calling again.
June 5, 2008, 10:14:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Oh no, "kook". Would it be name calling if I called you "inconsequential" as you just did O'Reilly?
June 5, 2008, 10:19:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
"inconsequential" as you just did O'Reilly?
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 10:24 pm |
That's my opinion.
Anything worth looking out for on H&C tonight? I heard poor Alan's ill.
June 5, 2008, 10:22:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
At some point troll behavior is going to make it into the DSM.
Maybe it's already there under narcissistic personality disorder.
June 5, 2008, 10:24:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I've decided not to go through with the cable news discussion list I had in mind on Topica. I'd probably get so many subscribers and I'd get overstressed.
June 5, 2008, 10:25:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
>Anything worth looking out for on H&C tonight? I heard poor Alan's ill.<
Oh yes, Kirsten Powers. Mraow.
June 5, 2008, 10:28:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
And a few of them would only be there to piss in your cheerios too, Mike.
There just isn't the sort of control anywhere in life that would keep you completely free of that sort of person.
June 5, 2008, 10:30:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
>There just isn't the sort of control anywhere in life that would keep you completely free of that sort of person.<
Sure there is, Cecelia. It just defeats the entire point of having a public forum. The right balance of free thought while keeping things clean is the challenge.
June 5, 2008, 10:33:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Oh yes, Kirsten Powers. Mraow.
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 10:33 pm |
I bet Hannity was showing off in front of the lady..
June 5, 2008, 10:33:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
No, but I wouldn't fault him if he did. She's a Fox!
-Fox Fan
June 5, 2008, 10:35:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
She's a Fox!
-Fox Fan
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 10:40 pm | #
Good to know that you don't all Liberals are little Devils.
June 5, 2008, 10:38:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Of course I don't think that Haggis. I am related to and am friends with several self-proclaimed liberals who I have civil political discussions with.
Way OT, but, being from the UK, why are you so concerned with American politics? Just curious.
June 5, 2008, 10:45:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
>And a few of them would only be there to p*** in your cheerios too, Mike.<
I could always delete from the list, terminating their subscription. You'd have to subscribe to join.
June 5, 2008, 10:45:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I forgot you Right wingers leap under the bed at the mention of terrorists....I'll not say the T word again.
HaggisFarmer | 06.05.08 - 10:02 pm | #
Not to worry. I got my Desert Eagle within' reach. My Queensland Heeler get's left overs.
June 5, 2008, 10:46:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Haggis, I suspect liberals would tell you to speak for yourself.
June 5, 2008, 10:46:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
OS, you'd love my collection!
/CCW holder
June 5, 2008, 10:48:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Way OT, but, being from the UK, why are you so concerned with American politics? Just curious.
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 10:50 pm | #
Like they don't have plenty of their own problems......
June 5, 2008, 10:49:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
being from the UK, why are you so concerned with American politics? Just curious.
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 10:50 pm |
I don't want to see a 3rd term...I'm hoping come November the world will be able to rejoice.
June 5, 2008, 10:49:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Tell me about it, I read dailymail.co.uk daily. LOL
June 5, 2008, 10:50:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Haggis is merely congratulating and excusing himself by pinching his own cheek and saying "my, aren't you cute!" with the devil remark, Fox Fan. It wasn't criticism... :D
June 5, 2008, 10:50:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Tell me about it, I read dailymail.co.uk daily. LOL
Fox Fan | 06.05.08 - 10:55 pm |
LMAO...The Mail....The everything is a disaster paper....I'm a Guardian man.
June 5, 2008, 10:53:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I know Ceci. I'm enjoying his correspondence.
If you don't want to see a "3rd term" Haggis, wait till you see a 1st term. If only you knew.
June 5, 2008, 10:54:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
VinceP1974
"The world" wants Carter's 2nd Term... that's how retar-tar they are.
June 5, 2008, 10:55:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
And Fox News lovin' you are in the way of that in the World According to Haggis, Fox Fan.
June 5, 2008, 10:55:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
But Olbermann's award is arrogant, heavy handed and stupid. Kind of like he is.
danny | 06.05.08 - 9:53 pm | #
The hard core loons claim it's "satire." Yea, right....
June 5, 2008, 10:55:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
VinceP1974 | Homepage | 06.05.08 - 11:00 pm |
That new talking point is spreading fast...I picked it up on Fox over the last few days.
June 5, 2008, 10:57:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Dailymail a tabloid. I'm guilty of enjoying it.
Ceci, are you speaking of WAH? Great acronym.
June 5, 2008, 10:57:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well, it's good to know that your interest in cable news fits into a world-wide agenda, Haggis.
Nothing like sitting on an opposition blog and making the word safe from the t-word (torries)...
June 5, 2008, 11:02:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Olbermann is trending up in the money demo, O'Reilly is trending down, tess.
by RKilla
Okay Dollar, he's not trending down, he's keeping even. Good for him. Yelling like a moron has to appeal to a certain number of idiots,
by RKilla 10 minutes later....Comedy Gold!
June 5, 2008, 11:03:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Nothing like sitting on an opposition blog
Cecelia | 06.05.08 - 11:07 pm |
I thought this was a cable news blog...Have I been misinformed...Not a right against left blog.
June 5, 2008, 11:06:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
They're such a bore with their disdain and enmity. With their control issues. With their view that their "compassion" is justification for being cute little devils...
June 5, 2008, 11:08:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
No, you thought this is just what it is, a Fox following blog, and therefore an opposition blog, Haggis.
June 5, 2008, 11:09:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Well that's my shift over....So the Little devil's signing out.
June 5, 2008, 11:10:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well, say hello for me to the next one punching in at the time clock, Haggis.
I'm bored stiff with you clowns and I'm outta here too.
June 5, 2008, 11:14:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
clowns as in the troll squad for little devils
June 5, 2008, 11:15:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Actually, in England, the people got smart ant threw the libs out. Since he was so roundly throttled at home lib Haggis looks for a ray of hope in the politics of another country.
I know what I said is off topic, but since no one seems to be moderating, I thought I'd g ahead and say it.
June 5, 2008, 11:24:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Barb
Here is some info on Laura Ingraham.
http://www.dcrtv.com/
Scroll down until you see where Dan Snyder buying Clear Channel and Citadel is trying to get Laura.
June 5, 2008, 11:36:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> since no one seems to be moderating, I thought I'd g ahead and say it.
We're watching, Danny.
June 5, 2008, 11:52:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
impostor johnny dollar
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June 5, 2008, 11:57:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
While I do tend to think Senator Obama is the media darling, I think it has very little to do with political leanings or philosophy, but everything to do with the fact that he is charismatic, with an engaging, unique history. Who was the media darling in 2000? Not Gore. Not Bush. McCain. Why? Before he morphed into George S. McBush, he was a maverick, an engaging figure. Now, McCain is as boring has whote bread toast with generic jam. And, Hillary? Old news. In essence, Senator Obama makes the media's job easy and media types have a propensity to a bit of laziness, as we all do.
June 6, 2008, 12:15:39 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Actually, in England, the people got smart ant threw the libs out ....
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Actually, New Labor is still in power, and Gordon Brown is to the left of George W. Bush's poodle, Tony Blair. The mayor of London is now a Tory, but if you think that is anything like being a conservative Republican, you don't follow the news well. I imagine you have a channel available for BBC News and possibly the BBC World Report. Perhaps, CNN will revivie its CNN World (via CNN International) after the election. This might all then become clearer.
June 6, 2008, 12:19:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
VinceP1974
Britian is a wreck. They are surrendering their country to Islamists and attacking their own people for trying to defend their culture.
June 6, 2008, 12:48:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
While I do tend to think Senator Obama is the media darling, I think it has very little to do with political leanings or philosophy, but everything to do with the fact that he is charismatic, with an engaging, unique history
by otm.....
You forgot one thing.......
June 6, 2008, 12:57:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Unique history= wright, rezco, ayers, flooger, mrs. o, moss, 20 yrs never noticed........
June 6, 2008, 1:02:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Labor did suffer a major parliamentary defeat from which some said that they cannot recover. But you are right, I jumped the gun, they have not been thrown out of power yet.
Parties are not the same from one country to another. New Labour is not the same as Democrats, though Biden plagiarized a Labor leaders speech) and the Republicans are not equal to the Torys despite Reagan and Thatcher's close relationship. France did throw out the liberals in their government but their parties are not exactly like ours (or England's) either.
I do think that Brit libs would be better served trying to preserve their situation in England; rather, than worrying about American Politics. Like the old song says, If you mind your own business; you won't be minding mine.
June 6, 2008, 1:04:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Regan had an incredible amount of charisma, but he was never the drive by media darling. I doubt that if J.C. Watts had been selected as the republican candidate . . . that he would have been the media darling despite the fact that he has charisma and his nomination would have been historic.
The Clintons were media darlings until a more liberal guy came along and now both Clintons have been abandoned. McCain's personality has not changed. As long as he was the most liberal Republican, he was a media darling. But now he is competing with a more liberal candidate, so the drive by media have abandoned him, just like they did the Clintons
No, being the darling of the media has more to do with political philosophy than anything else.
June 6, 2008, 1:20:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I think the brits are hoping that all the terrorists they are harboring will move here if a (d) wins.
June 6, 2008, 1:22:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
YOu may be right. Osama has said they will attack a weak horse. Terrorist like any predator looks for a soft target.
June 6, 2008, 1:25:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I think the profound lack of understanding of what is happening in the UK, as exhibited by the foregoing comments, makes my point that news, including cable news, does a horrible job of covering anything international, particularly anything international that lacks direct and immediate consequences upon America. And, when I reflect that we know virtually nothing about our same language, closest ally, I surely realize we know far less about continental Europe, much less South America, Africa, the Middle East, Asia and the Pacific Rim. Perhaps, after the election coverage is concluded, some brave programmer will begin to include international news and deliver us from our woeful ignorance. It could do nothing but improve us.
June 6, 2008, 7:52:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply
VinceP1974
OTM makes my point about the assumptions that Leftists make: the main one being that everyone is as ignorant as they are.
I dont get my news about Europe from cable news. In fact I dont even have cable.
So much for that theory.
June 6, 2008, 8:18:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OTM
I don't have cable either. I depend on the internet, which is a fairly good source of news. That's why my understanding of what is happening in international politics, as my posts have demonstrated, is not that bad.
I do bemoan some recent posts from people who have cable, which show a woeful lack of understanding of U.S. politics. Obviously cable news must not be doing a good job of educating Americans about politics here at home.This is a grievous problem and U.S. cable should rectify it. U.S. cable companies should intensify their efforts to help peopleAmericans better understand domestic politics before the industry does anything else.
June 6, 2008, 9:55:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
peopleAmericans = Americans
June 6, 2008, 9:59:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I get very little of my news about Europe from cable. Vince is correct about the Brits succumbing to the leftist political correctness that allows Muslims to take over while silencing the majority.
I get almost all of my news about it from international news sites. Britain is going the way of France in terms of their "takeover".
June 6, 2008, 10:00:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
7:57= head poked deep in sand.
June 6, 2008, 10:18:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
So, I am en route this weekend to Essex for a conference on airport security .... This will be my third hop to the UK this year (along with some trips to France, Germany and elsewhere). So far, no one has made be eat or bathe with a falafel. Should I expect this now?
This is rather rich. Vince and Danny commenting about cable news on a cable news site, and they don't have cable. From the text of some of the posts, it appears that other posters don't have cable or never watch the news. Does this strike anyone as odd? How do we stay on topic.
Having said that, some of the people who have indicated that they don't have cable are more on-topic, cogent and literate than the ramblers who flirt, chat mindlessly exchanging self-designated bonmots, etc. I don't agree with much you have to say, Vince and Danny, but you make me think. Same for FoxFan. Glad you guys are around.
June 6, 2008, 11:31:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Who would have ever thought that the defining issue in this campaign would be arugula? I'm rather sure McCain is much more an arugula kind of guy than collard greens, although I suppose he prefers a chunk of iceberg with a generous portion of Ranch dressing covered in croutons. Maybe, we need a food editor for CNN, FNC and MSNBC so we can all figure out how to vote.
Own consumption, NVH? Market anyplace?
June 6, 2008, 11:35:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince
OTM: Thanks for the mixed review of me For what it is worth, you're one of the more civil and pleasant persons on the other side. I wish there were more like you.
June 6, 2008, 12:43:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Vince, he's just gigging Mike...
June 6, 2008, 1:31:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Vince, you must not have had the privledge of meeting 'otm's' alter egos. Not pretty to say the least.
June 6, 2008, 2:52:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
This is rather rich. Vince and Danny commenting about cable news on a cable news site, and they don't have cable.
by on the clucker
Maybe they have one of those round thingy's? I don't have cable, either.
June 6, 2008, 2:55:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
So, I am en route this weekend to Essex for a conference on airport security ....
by on the clucker
Seriously scary stuff. An enemy defender attending airport security conferences. Yikes! They must let anyone in to those things. Even scarier...
June 6, 2008, 2:59:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Let's avoid getting personal.
June 6, 2008, 3:03:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Own consumption, NVH? Market anyplace?
No,just for the family.Corn,beans potatoes,the whole shooting match.Luffas too.Put up a table roadside when the melons are in,but that's it.
Don't understand this issue.What could anyone have against a salad green that tastes like bacon?
June 6, 2008, 3:52:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
