3/3/09 1:21 PM

Friday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Finally: MSNBC brings us Kerry Appreciation Week.

Pix: on the road in Gaza.

Thursday's numbers.

Video Q&A: Connell McShane.

Hannity & Colmes swan song tonight.

Eric Burns: playwright.

New fake CNN virus.

Video: Shuster vs Ziegler.

Today's Rupert review.

Hotline after dark.

Pix: Brit's big bash; report. More pix.

Q&A: Chris Matthews.

CNN shows faked video?

Paula Zahn resurfaces.

Abrams firm raises eyebrows.

Shep goes all MST3K on Blago:

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Fox Fan
Well gee golly gosh. CNN showing terrorist propaganda again. What a surprise.  
 
I'm sure they'll show something from Israel's standpoint soon too...after all, they are unbiased, right?
January 9, 2009, 10:15:54 AM EST – Like – Reply


Hoffmann
I'm not a fan of John Fund. But credit should be given to this man. He gave Doocy a smite this morning with fox & friends. He told Doocy in bad terms that Franken is not stealing the election like Doocy is wanting to frame for his viewers.
Sorry for english.
January 9, 2009, 2:43:55 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
And Doocy didn't scream at Fund ala David Shuster at John Ziegler?
 
And unlike Countdown and Maddow, Fund got to disagree with a host?
 
There was no Chris Matthews around to argue that the iconic value of the election made criticism petty?
 
By all means, let's give credit where it's due. To both Fund and to Fox & Friends.
January 9, 2009, 2:58:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


Hoffmann
Why would I give credit to Fox & Friends? Doocy was the one dishing the info that was wrong.
Who are all the persons other you talk about?
January 9, 2009, 3:06:50 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Doocy was the one dishing the info that was wrong.
Hoffmann | 01.09.09 - 3:11 pm | #  
 
Haggis - nice how you say it as if it were fact. you don't know that. At this point, maybe Doocy is right, maybe Fund is right.
January 9, 2009, 5:00:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Careful. Consider the source. We don't know that Doocy was dishing info at all. In some circles, just asking a question is tantamount to a mortal sin.
January 9, 2009, 5:10:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.09.09 - 5:15 pm | #  
 
Good point Johnny. Just the other day someone made the false claim about BOR calling Obama a pinhead. Either a lie, a serious lacking of analytical skills, or a combination of both.
January 9, 2009, 5:43:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Hoffmann
Fund is not a Liberal. He is a Right Wing water bucket holder. So if he condemns Doocy there must be trickiness with the Doocy facts in the mind of Fund. He said the usual crowd are pushing this info. so Doocy must have gathered his info from dubious sources.
January 9, 2009, 5:45:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Fund condemned Doocy? I'm surprised I haven't seen the headines about this! What did he say? "I condemn you, Doocy?" Or something more nuanced? Enquiring minds want to know!
 
Oh, and congrats on the rapid improvement of your English skills. I'm not sure why but your relocation to Brasil seems to have worked wonders on your mastery of the King's English.
January 9, 2009, 5:50:55 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Careful. Consider the source. We don't know that Doocy was dishing info at all. In some circles, just asking a question is tantamount to a mortal sin.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.09.09 - 5:15 pm | #  
 
And we SURELY know (based upon copious experience...) that we can assume that those who always find themselves in the position of having to take on a "persona", will often be "dishing information that is wrong", when it comes to what went down in a FNC broadcast...
January 9, 2009, 5:51:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Hoffmann
Here is the video. Fund certainly gave Doocy a strong NO!
 
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Fox_analyst_Franken_win_the_bottom_0109.html
 
Dont be worrying about my IP. The Deutsche Regierung spies. Think Merkel has had her shoulders rubbed by Bush once to often. Everyone uses them here. I'm not really in Brazil.  
Thanks for saying my english is better. I'm trying with google help in some quarters
January 9, 2009, 6:08:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Well that's odd. I don't see Fund condemning Doocy at all. In fact I don't even see Fund criticizing Doocy. I see Doocy asking a question ("Is he stealing the election?") but I don't see Doocy "dishing out information" at all.
 
Amazingly, this turns out to be exactly what I posited above: Doocy asked a quesiton and Fund answered it. No "dishing out" information. No "smiting". No "condemning" Doocy.
 
Next time try some of that 'google help' on getting your smears...err, make that your facts straight.
January 9, 2009, 6:13:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


Hoffmann
As Fund said the only folk saying "stealing election" is radio talker and cable tweeters.
 
The only people I've seen saying this sort of thing is the usual folk Hannity Limbaugh etc. So Doocy must have taken his facts from their talking points. But thankfully Fund put a stop to that little game with a firm NO!
January 9, 2009, 6:26:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Please stop misrepresenting. Doocy didn't put forward any statements of his own. He asked a question. I can get the Mayor to cut off all electric satellite dishes on the Island if such misrepresentations continue.
January 9, 2009, 6:29:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Dont be worrying about my IP. The Deutsche Regierung spies. Think Merkel has had her shoulders rubbed by Bush once to often. Everyone uses them here. I'm not really in Brazil.
Thanks for saying my english is better. I'm trying with google help in some quarters
Hoffmann | 01.09.09 - 6:13 pm | #  
 
Definition of hell-- Being older than 16 years and indulging in games like this.  
 
Even anonymously.
 
Get help!
January 9, 2009, 6:32:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Haggis - just curious, you found anything about Bret Baier yet? (Besides his excellent ratings of course!)
January 9, 2009, 6:33:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


Hoffmann
For Doocy to ask the question in the first place he must have heard someone talking about "stealing the election" for him to then use that terminology in his question.
I'm putting to you that he heard this sort of loose talk from Hannity/Limbaugh or the like.
 
or
 
he's just reading the question straight off the prompter.
January 9, 2009, 6:38:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Haggis - just curious, you found anything about Bret Baier yet? (Besides his excellent ratings of course!)
Ashley | 01.09.09 - 6:38 pm | #  
 
I have been reading alot of these posts on here, but what is this thing with Haggis, if this is a cable news site.
Or does this Haggis have an identity problem.
January 9, 2009, 6:43:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
he's just reading the question straight off the prompter.
Hoffmann | 01.09.09 - 6:43 pm | #  
 
Who brought up olbermann?
January 9, 2009, 6:46:37 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
I watched the interview and while I am not a fan of Doocy, he never badgers and he does give the person a chance to say their say. He asked a question, and even as a Liberal I (if a journalist) would have asked the same question. So in my opinion you are honestly having a debate on a moot point.
January 9, 2009, 6:50:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Who brought up olbermann?
Olby Sucks | 01.09.09 - 6:51 pm | #  
 
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Lets all be fair, most newspeople read off telepromters.
January 9, 2009, 6:51:04 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Hoffmann | 01.09.09 - 6:13 pm | #  
 
Using sources like 'raw story' will get you in trouble every time, haggy. Just some friendly advise.
January 9, 2009, 6:51:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Or does this Haggis have an identity problem.
Bababooey | 01.09.09 - 6:48 pm | #  
 
To say the least.....
January 9, 2009, 6:52:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Can't Johnny just ban this Haggis or has he been banned and changed his url or Ip address. If he has that is pretty desperate.
January 9, 2009, 6:55:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I realize there is no need for me to convince anyone of the real identity of our new friend, the one who shifts from writing in poor English to excellent English and back, but I just have to mention that real Germans spell Brazil as Brasil.
January 9, 2009, 6:58:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Haggis hasn't been banned. He was sent off for an overnight stay at Exile Island for some transgressions but somehow he keeps popping up in one form or another. We tease him a lot cuz we got him on the spot, and he plays along, and we kind of play along with him. His track record on accuracy and honesty is abysmal however, so as long as you don't take him seriously he's not as bad as some we have had darken our doorways.
January 9, 2009, 7:02:42 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
He keeps coming back because he loves us, which is understandable.
January 9, 2009, 7:08:47 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
and we keep saying welcome back, welcome back, welcome baa-ack.
January 9, 2009, 7:10:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
/haggis climbs out of that very uncomfortable teleporting machine...Damn Johnny you need to look at that...What's up folks?
January 9, 2009, 7:10:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
You can't say he doesn't try though. But geez I'm a liberal I would just go to Newshounds or the Daily Koz. But I am not as extreme as some of those at Newshounds I find a few actually are not that bad. Haggis must just like to stir the pot, and we all like to do that also.
January 9, 2009, 7:11:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
He keeps coming back because he loves us, which is understandable.
Ashley | 01.09.09 - 7:13 pm
 
But dang you guys haze the shit out of him, he must be a glutton for punishment. That is all I can figure.
January 9, 2009, 7:12:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


david smawley
Thanks for posting the Ingraham/Greta pic from Brit's party last night! Don't much care what anyone from across the pond thinks!
January 9, 2009, 7:20:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
His track record on accuracy and honesty is abysmal however, so as long as you don't take him seriously he's not as bad as some we have had darken our doorways.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.09.09 - 7:07 pm | #  
 
Well, if by that you mean Clucker, that's like saying a pickpocket at Disney Land isn't as bad as Bernie Madoff.
 
True. Still I don't enjoy having to keep both hands on my purse at Disney Land regardless.
January 9, 2009, 7:25:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Hoffmann
I will say I didn't have the strongest case concerning Doocy. But Doocy just saying "stealing the election" can influence a number of people. They are powerful words and shouldn't be thrown around Willy Nilly.
 
Is haggis still holidaying at this moment in time?  
 
real Germans spell Brazil as Brasil.
Ashley | 01.09.09 - 7:03 pm |
 
You are quite correct in your observation. just a pity babelfish doesn't know.
January 9, 2009, 7:26:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Maybe there's a gender gap here.
 
Women are not comfortable around subterfuge, especially from men, unless it's the particular sort of courting type that we play too.
 
Otherwise, red flags go off in our heads simply out of self defense.  
 
I'll try to lighten up and think of him as harmless too.
January 9, 2009, 7:31:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
But geez I'm a liberal I would just go to Newshounds or the Daily Koz.  
Bababooey | 01.09.09 - 7:16 pm |
 
Why preach to the converted....My work here is bearing significant fruit already.
 
Take Cecelia for instance....I'm only a pickpocket today....The other night she was having unmentionable thoughts....But now she's seeing a twinkling of light and is calming down....So I feel the struggle is well worth it.
January 9, 2009, 7:40:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Take Cecelia for instance....I'm only a pickpocket today....The other night she was having unmentionable thoughts....But now she's seeing a twinkling of light and is calming down....So I feel the struggle is well worth it.
HaggisFarmer | 01.09.09 - 7:45 pm | #  
 
Here's to you and your world-wide quest to never be taken seriously, Haggis.
January 9, 2009, 7:56:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
HaggisFarmer | 01.09.09 - 7:45 pm | #  
 
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Whatever you say. You have more patients that I would.
January 9, 2009, 7:59:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
That's another hefty lose for Bill in the demo. What ever Grace is doing....It's been a ratings winner. She even goes on to beat Greta with her rerun.
Grace is probably the reason Bill had to talk about the demo the other night....FNC appear worried.  
Will "Beck" work they're asking themselves....I fear "Beck" is simply going to be a revamp of "the big story" and that went down without a trace.
January 9, 2009, 8:14:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Just a though....Will Bush/Cheney make a surprise appearance on a goodbye video celebrating Alan's last appearance on H&C?
January 9, 2009, 8:47:59 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
According to you, that happened weeks ago!
January 9, 2009, 8:49:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.09.09 - 8:54 pm |
 
That is correct...As you know I was badly mislead over that....by a YouTube video.
January 9, 2009, 8:53:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
You'd have thought Hannity would give up his usual majority...tonight of all nights....But no it's still 3 Republicans v 2 Democrats...Obviously Hannity's just not secure enough.
Only 20mins to go....Will they or wont they???
January 9, 2009, 9:38:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
....by a YouTube video.
HaggisFarmer | 01.09.09 - 8:58 pm | #  
 
Maybe you can sue youtube because you posted a video tha you didn't bother to watch.
January 9, 2009, 9:43:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
HaggisFarmer | 01.09.09 - 9:43 pm | #  
 
How many R's on olbermann?
January 9, 2009, 9:44:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Sorry Haggis, please re-post your last comment (I'm sure we'll all be waiting for it with bated breath!).
January 9, 2009, 10:02:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Sorry Alan we couldn't get Bush/Cheney....here's a Rolex instead. While Hannity licks his chops...in the back ground....over his new roll....Obama nasher.
January 9, 2009, 10:03:59 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
haggy, are you hittin' the sauce?
January 9, 2009, 10:44:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
That's another hefty lose for Bill in the demo. HaggisFarmer | 01.09.09 - 8:19 pm | #  
 
As we know, Haggy will omit facts in order to try to prove his feeble points. In this case, he omits that Bill wins the demo when you incorporate both east coast and west coast prime time broadcasts.
 
Now Haggy will try to give some song and dance trying to prove that it is only the first showing that counts, but in order for Haggy to be correct, then it would have to be a fact that advertisors did not care about the viewers in the demo in such cities as Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Phoenix, Las Vegas, and all points in between.
 
Fact is that BOR wins it all, it's why he's number one in the ratings and FNC earns far more than CNN which earns far more than MSNBC.
January 9, 2009, 11:52:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Sorry Alan we couldn't get Bush/Cheney....here's a Rolex instead. HaggisFarmer | 01.09.09 - 10:08 pm | #  
 
How nice of Sean to give Alan such a wonderful gift.
January 10, 2009, 12:20:27 AM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Fact is that BOR wins it all, it's why he's number one in the ratings and FNC earns far more than CNN which earns far more than MSNBC.
Ashley | 01.09.09 - 11:57 pm | # 
 
Ashley
I am going to give you an example of why being popular does nat actually mean that you are the best. It is sort of off topic but I read in many of your posts that you do push Fox News ratings.
 
Last fall I was in Branson Missouri with my family, one day my wife agreed to let me go to a golf course John Daly (a professional golfer) designed, that day they had a pro am tournament a few PGA golfers and some local celebrities played 18 holes. with all the proceeds going to charity.
 
John Daly is a well known golfer with many inner demons. one of them being beer and the other food. While their were some well know local celebrities and Pga golfers there, John Daly's following was 3 to 1 compared to everyone else, John was drunk, playing alot of the round with no shirt on and no shoes, but one thing John has going is personality, while John is a trainwreck waiting to happen people myself included followed him the whole round.
What I am saying being the most popular while being a good thing, does not always mean that they are the best. I believe that Fox News leads not because of the news it is because of the people who read the news.
Who would you rather see read the news Sheperd Smith or Wolf Blitzer, Neil Cavuto or Lou Dobbs. Tell me in those two comparison, first who is the better newsperson and second who has the best personality.
 
 
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January 10, 2009, 12:36:45 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
The cable network showed a calendar with the week blocked out, plus a photo of Kerry surrounded by little red hearts. 
 
"All together now, Senator Kerry, we appreciate you," said Shuster, which seems a little harsh, since Kerry has been a frequent guest on MSNBC shows. 
 
That Shuster, a true newsman! Not.
 
John Ziegler is 100% correct.
January 10, 2009, 12:45:42 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Baba - it's not about popularity, it's about ratings. Ratings are driven by the consumer, making their selection for what they want. When it comes to cable news, CNN has its offerings, MSNBC has its offerings, and FNC has its offerings. The consumers have spoken.
January 10, 2009, 12:50:48 AM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Ashley | 01.10.09 - 12:55 am | # 
 
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Ashley,
But aren't being the most popular and having the highest ratings the same. I am saying the personalities is what make Fox News Number 1 not the news they read. Because in all honesty if you want to get the best news I like PBS, CSPAN and BBC for just the news and no frills. Being Number does not make you the best. 
 
Hence Florida and the National Championship.
January 10, 2009, 1:06:43 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Ok, how bout this, 'baba.' 
 
You folks are always bragging that newshounds blog gets more posts and has more members and has more visitors at any given time than, say, Johnny Dollars Place or Olbermann Watch. 
 
Does that make newshounds blog better than JD's or OW? Think, before you post, please.
January 10, 2009, 1:19:19 AM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
When have I ever bragged about who gets more hits than whom.
Newshounds might get more hits but that is probably due to the nature of politics today and people disenchanted with the republicans. It might be more popular but does that make it better, that is a matter of opinion, just as Ashley thinks Fox News is better that the other competing cable news networks.
So Os is this site better than newshounds although it does not get the daily hits, I would say in all honesty, while I may not agree with some of your political views or comments. This site is much more organized and not quite as extreme. Yes it is and not too many liberals would say that.
January 10, 2009, 1:53:06 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
John Daly is a well known golfer with many inner demons. one of them being beer and the other food. While their were some well know local celebrities and Pga golfers there, John Daly's following was 3 to 1 compared to everyone else, John was drunk, playing alot of the round with no shirt on and no shoes, but one thing John has going is personality, while John is a trainwreck waiting to happen people myself included followed him the whole round.
 
Bababooey | 01.10.09 - 12:41 am | # 
 
Isn't this the plot for the movie Happy Gilmore?...   
 
I've enjoyed your posts here, Baba.
 
Hope you stick around a bit.
January 10, 2009, 9:55:11 AM EST – Like – Reply


lyons
John Daly should have been escorted off of the golf course for playing with no shirt and no shoes.
And I question the taste of anyone (and their knowlege of golf) who would chose to walk eighteen holes with this drunk.
January 10, 2009, 10:29:42 AM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Ashley | 01.10.09 - 12:55 am | # 
 
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Well Lyons, I guess you had to have been there, also I have played golf for over 25 years, no need to get nasty.
January 10, 2009, 11:14:37 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
just as Ashley thinks Fox News is better that the other competing cable news networks.
Bababooey | 01.10.09 - 1:58 am | #
 
Me and the majority of other cable news viewers.
January 10, 2009, 11:29:34 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I still don't see any "bababooey" on newshounds....hmmm.
January 10, 2009, 11:57:21 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Now we know for certain that all the 'jokes' that we made about this asswipe troll being pathetic, lonely and 'having no life' other than Newshounds were actually true. 
It has even found it necessary to come here for abuse. 
How sad! 
(NOT!!!!) 
Posted by: MLP on Sat 1.10 6:51am
 
Look familiar, baba?
January 10, 2009, 12:06:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Olby Sucks | 01.10.09 - 12:02 pm | 
 
Well I posted there a few weeks ago, and I forgot to put my name in so it came up as anonymous, I believe that was one of your names, then again why should you care, are you a member of the thought police.
January 10, 2009, 12:53:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Ashley | 01.10.09 - 11:34 am | # 
 
But Ashley if you add up the ratings of CNN and MSNBC their ratings might be a little more than Fox News. As I said last night I believe people watch Fox News for the personalities than hearing the actual news.
January 10, 2009, 12:56:11 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Olby Sucks | 01.10.09 - 12:11 pm | #
Alright Os as I have told you several time I am not a regular poster at Newshounds, if you a trying to start a fight, I will not take the bait.
 
I read the posts I don't obsess about it.
January 10, 2009, 1:00:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I'll take that as a "yes."
January 10, 2009, 1:28:13 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I believe Fox News has more total viewers than msnbc and cnn combined on a regular basis.
January 10, 2009, 1:29:34 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
I believe this is on topic. 
 
John Daly has been suspended from PGA TOUR play for 6 months, the Branson incident being part of reason. The reason he draws large crowds is he can hit a golf ball 1/4 mile. 
 
Playing golf for 25 years does not necessarily make someone a golfer or knowledgable about the game.
 
Shuster is a hack, a flamer and a hand grenade hurler. When he insulted the Clinton's, he was suspended, forced to apologize and his boss apologized. Hell, even KO apologized.
 
IMO, Shuster insulting Palin won't raise an eyebrow, much less an uproar, at MSNBC, and its parent company, the DNC. He was only following in the footsteps (echos) of his idol. 
 
Somehow, the logic of certain members of the media viciously attacking the former VP nominee for opining the existance of bias among certain members of the media, excapes me.
January 10, 2009, 1:54:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Bababooey | 01.10.09 - 1:01 pm | # 
But Ashley if you add up the ratings of CNN and MSNBC their ratings might be a little more than Fox News. 
 
So what?
 
As I said last night I believe people watch Fox News for the personalities than hearing the actual news.
 
So, this is what you believe. So what?
January 10, 2009, 4:03:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Because in all honesty if you want to get the best news I like PBS, CSPAN and BBC for just the news and no frills. Being Number does not make you the best.
 
Bababooey | 01.10.09 - 1:11 am | # 
 
I would say that being number one in Babas book does not make you the best either.
January 10, 2009, 4:08:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
So, this is what you believe. So what?
Ashley | 01.10.09 - 4:08 pm | # 
 
Why do you always have a smart comment to anyone who disagrees with you?
January 10, 2009, 6:31:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
I would say that being number one in Babas book does not make you the best either.
Ashley | 01.10.09 - 4:13 pm | # 
 
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In all honesty just bacause you are number one does not mean you are the best, that is left open for debate. Ratings don't mean that you are the best.
January 10, 2009, 6:38:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
What smart comment? You said this is what you believe and therefore I am an wrong because what I claim is not what you claim.
 
So what!
January 10, 2009, 6:43:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Never said you were wrong, there is just no use to give me the brushoff saying "So What?"
January 10, 2009, 7:00:16 PM EST – Like – Reply