Monday Links & Open Thread
Latest cable news links [7:38 pm]:
Video: MSNBC's naked truth.
Larry King's wake-up call.
The worst show on cable news?
Friday's numbers.
Huck subs for Joe.
Megan Henderson hire? Thumbs-up.
Arianna and Rupert Murdoch cross paths.
Escape from Burma.
Morning roundup. Sunday spin.
Flashback: O'Reilly outburst [language].
Bill reacts, tops the fame-o-meter.
New York Times: Karl Rove; Washington Post: Chuck Todd.
Is Rove a Trojan horse?
FBN changes; Andy Hoffman promoted.
Hot & Not.
Mike Chimeri
I voted "not this year" in the poll because I'm a pessimist. I think he lied to BOR's face in Nashua, NH, in January and I think he lied to "F&F" last Monday. He and his campaign hate BOR because they're all made up of far-left partisans. He has a better chance of appearing on Merkle's show four times before he ever appears on "The Factor."
As usual, I hope I'm wrong. Good luck to the rest of you in the poll vote.
I agree with the Jennifer Locke firing qualifying as "What's Not." What people at FNC have screwed up and not been fired? It's probably Courtney Friel or anyone associated with "F&F Weekend." Right?
Peter Barnes moving [back] to Washington is not exile. He needs to be closer to his family.
I won't bother with the NYTimes [hit]piece on Rove.
I'm going to bed at some point tonight. Hopefully, I won't be the only person commenting like I was over the weekend.
May 12, 2008, 1:03:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I share that hope!
May 12, 2008, 1:15:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
After primaries. I think he has to. Pandering to the far left won't put him in the big house. Not going on O'Reilly (#1) is pandering to the far left.
I hope he doesn't go on O'Reilly (#1) because I think it will help him. He does't have the courage to go on O'Reilly (#1) in the blind. Questions will be given in advance and obama will put his tap dancing shoes on. It will rate higher than Hillary, but, will be much of the same. That's my '2 cents.'
May 12, 2008, 1:25:35 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
Did we mention "The Factor" is #1?
"After the primary." (To BOR on 1/5 in Nashua, NH.) = ObamaLie
"We'll work it in." (To "F&F" on 5/5.) = ObamaLie
Again, sorry to be so pessimistic.
May 12, 2008, 1:38:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Dan Tanna
Is it me....or was the NYT article on FBN filled with snarky remarks and alot of seething.
I know its too much to ask for the NYT to just report.....Im sure the letters F-O-X just get them seeing red.
As for Obama appearing on The Factor.....Ditto Mike's remarks.
May 12, 2008, 9:21:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply
GrandpaD
I voted "Not this year" mainly because there isn't any "When hell freezes over" choice.
OS is right; questions submitted in advance. O'Reilly would never go for that.
May 12, 2008, 9:29:26 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
:lol:
"It should come as no surprise that Bill O'Reilly has always been a screamer, but it's always nice to have video proof...."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/12/bill-oreilly-on-inside-ed_n_101267.html
May 12, 2008, 9:39:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
In an article discussing the bias of Rove and his suitability to work in the media b/c of that bias this little gem appeared:
"Mr. Meacham said Mr. Rove had been received surprisingly well in the magazines newsroom, where he has been a reliable colleague who files his articles on time and works diligently with fact checkers.
After one editor dealt with him, Mr. Meacham said, the editor called me and said, This just complicated my world view. I may like Karl Rove.
Doncha just love it?
May 12, 2008, 9:50:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply
ImNotBlue
HSUK... my father just send me that video (from AOL... not Huff&Puff).
It is pretty funny... although (and I say this as someone who has worked in television for almost 12 years now), not uncommon.
But pretty funny. If I were O'Reilly, I would show that on the show tonight, call himself a "pinhead" and have a good laugh.
May 12, 2008, 10:31:02 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Just added a link to Bill's reaction to the video, which was probably the right way to deal with it.
May 12, 2008, 11:28:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
By the way, the Marcia Cross video was added sort of by request by the guys at Carpe Diem. There was an amusing incident that occurred during the interview.
May 12, 2008, 11:40:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
I agree with you, Johnny, that is the best response he could make.
I must say that took me aback. I have sometimes seen people behaving like that but usually over something very personal and involving important relationships and perceived, rightly or not, wrongs. I have also sometimes seen behavior such as that from people who have serious emotional and mental health issues. I have never seen it, though, insuch a context.
May 12, 2008, 11:46:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Well at least we know what Olbermahn will be running on his Hour of Spin tonight.
May 12, 2008, 11:52:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Is Fox News security on the case?
When will Tonya be analysing?
Will Bill use the Coulter excuse..."I was only kidding around"
May 12, 2008, 12:03:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I'm sure the orange faced hack can't wait to get in front of the cameras. He's probably already firmly placed his fat ass in his oversized chair w/his finger on the 'play' button salivating profusely! Earth shattering news, O'Reilly screamed!!!!! How many pill induced rants has olby done while on the air?
May 12, 2008, 12:22:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Chalk up the Washington Post piece about former political operatives as commentors to the Clinton and Obama dynamics. If those two were running against each other, the WP piece would have been nothing but a brief satirical diss on FNC for hiring Rove.
Since the Clinton is now in the mix against the Obamessiah, it's time to trot a piece that includes Stephanopolus, Begala, and Carville. Where have you been WP, those guys have been cable analysts forevah....
No mention of Chris Matthews or NBC D.C. Bureau Chief Tim Russert, having seamlessly gone from Democrat staffer to news anchor/analysts YEARS ago. They are both in the tank for Obama...
May 12, 2008, 12:28:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Cecelia, I was not aware that Russert worked as a Dem staffer.
Do you know who he worked for and any details of what he did?
May 12, 2008, 12:32:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Grammie, I'll jump i here, he was Cheif Of Staff for Senator Daniel Moynihan for several years.
May 12, 2008, 12:42:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ImNotBlue
Grammie... I think things like this happen. But in television... someone's probably recording.
I know I've snapped and shouted at another employee. Nobody recorded it, but it sure got around work quickly. About 15 minutes later, I had about 10 people asking what the hell happened, and wishing they could have seen it (I don't usually lose my temper).
In high school, I remember the teacher was being particularly tough on one student who was in the midst of directing a live program (we had a local access station). He snapped in the middle of the program, and handed the teacher his headset, and told him if he thought he could do that job any better, than do it! And then walked out.
TV is stressful... there's a lot of money on the line. One mistake can be millions down the drain! I know... I've been there! So something like this is really just par for the course.
But we all make friends at the end of the day... or get fired. Either way, it happens.
___________
As for Olbermann... he's one to talk. I remember hearing from an MSNBC employee I once worked with, that after the Karma Bites story came out, someone had posted copies of the story over all the bathroom, so everyone could see it. KO wasn't too happy about that.
Besides, isn't this a man who's known for burning every bridge he's ever crossed? They wouldnt even let him back for an ESPN reunion, because of the "damage" he would cause. I don't think he has much to laugh about. Not that he won't... but he shouldn't.
May 12, 2008, 12:52:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
Thankfully, the BOR video is no longer available due to a copyright claim from CBS. But unfortunately, OS is right. Olbermoronn will be all over this tonight and possibly the rest of the week.
The poll isn't loading right now.
May 12, 2008, 12:55:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Grammie,
Russert was also counselor and media management aide to Mario Cuomo.
May 12, 2008, 12:56:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Thanks, DS.
Blue, I've never been involved in any business such as cable TV but I understand your point and it makes sense.
On top of that I'm sure there is a lot of tension from having competing primma donnas thrown together and competing to get the biggest slice of the best pie.
May 12, 2008, 1:07:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Thanks, Cecelia.
I wonder how I missed knowing about this till now.
May 12, 2008, 1:09:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
jharada
Obama has to at least appear after the primarys as Bill has Obama on tape saying that he would do just that.
If Obama does not show I can bet we will see that video of him say he would on a loop.
May 12, 2008, 1:23:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
BOR just said on "The Radio Factor" that Obama is not far-left, just committed left.
May 12, 2008, 1:29:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
BOR just said on "The Radio Factor" that Obama is not far-left, just committed left.
May 12, 2008, 1:29:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Well CBS lawyers have moved quickly to get the Bill video taken down. Of course Olby may have already downloaded it, but I wonder if his envy of O'Reilly is so great that he will violate copyright to show it. Of course he could just read the text in that hilarious, never-gets-old funny voice of his. Yeah, that's probably what he'll do. His Kos buddies will love it.
May 12, 2008, 1:40:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
Now I saw it courtesy of LiveLeak. Olby and the rest of the far-left BOR/Fox hating crowd will be playing the apex of the video for days, weeks, and months to come. (sarcasm): Thanks a lot, Deadspin.
May 12, 2008, 2:34:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I just caught some vid of obama sporting the good old American flag on his coat. What made him decide to do this after all of the excuses he and his far left followers threw at us for NOT wearing it?
May 12, 2008, 3:47:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
I don't know, but getting back to cable news...
May 12, 2008, 4:03:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
So sorry, mike. The floor is yours....You can get back to your travel channel quandry, ok?
May 12, 2008, 4:22:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Gentlemen, please. No fighting in class.
May 12, 2008, 4:25:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Sorry, J. I guess pointing out something I caught on ED Hill isn't 'cable news' or newsworthy. My apologies......
May 12, 2008, 4:29:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
After watching Bill say "F*** it! F***ing thing sucks!", I like him more than ever. Admittedly, that's my usual response to things that don't work to my liking.
May 12, 2008, 4:29:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
The dog pound is having a field day w/the video. They're all busy keeping track and posting links to various sites illegally linking to the video.
May 12, 2008, 4:33:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
I'm sorry. I quit again. A troll almost did me in Friday, but a recently new regular has ultimately done me in today. I'm sorry I ever showed up here. I'll also leave OlbyWatch commenters alone. I'm a total obsessive-compulsive smart-aleck stickler proper jerk. And how dare I use my Asperger Syndrome as an excuse.
May 12, 2008, 4:37:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I think I read there that even though it was pulled because of a complaint from CBS, that somehow it was O'Reilly's "secret police" who were responsible!
There is one fellow there who made quite an interesting point about hound hypocrisy:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/newshounds/14449/#702003
May 12, 2008, 4:38:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
Maybe if you said "I just saw video on 'America's Pulse'/E.D. Hill's show that showed..." and so on. Oops, sorry, smart-aleck stickler jerk strikes again.
May 12, 2008, 4:40:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Johnny, on Huff n Puff the video is still there and as soon as you click on the link the video starts playing.
I don't know that much about copy right law but wouldn't any restriction that applies to You Tube also apply to a Blog?
May 12, 2008, 4:45:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Mike, don't let posters on either side get to ya.
May 12, 2008, 4:45:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
Not even you, OS? I was upset because of what you said after I said "getting back to cable news." I'm sorry I went off on a Travel Channel tangent Friday and Saturday. I was having a rough few days emotionally. I've been doing better since yesterday.
So, to get back to what you said, I guess Obama finally came around on wearing the flag lapel pin.
May 12, 2008, 4:50:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Yes it's copyright violation whether it's a blog, youtube, or a newscast. In fact it's more blatant because the clip that was shown is unpublished. It was not part of what was broadcast. So anyone who actually hosts it or broadcasts it could be charged with a copyright violation.
Linking to it is not a violation since a link is nothing different from someone pointing and saying, look at that. You could point to a bank robbery but that wouldn't make you a bank robber.
At first I wasn't going to link to it, but it is a kind of sexy cable news related story and it was hard to ignore. I figured despite the questionable ethics fairness required that I not ignore it.
May 12, 2008, 4:54:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tony
I just watched the vidio on newshounds. It was no big deal. Oreilly got pissed, vented at no one, and went on. Only the nuts from newshounds or Olbermann himself would think that its a big deal.
May 12, 2008, 5:38:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tony
Well I guess that I am banned from Newshounds. They distorted my words, and when I tried to post it, it wouldnt take. I guess thats what they do when they cant win honestly.
May 12, 2008, 6:14:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
tony, click on any comment link at the rabid dog pound and look at the top of the comment box. If you've been permanently banned, it says at the top.
They should change it to say, "You've debunked us too many times and have made too many irrefutable points so you've been banned." Yours truly, Chompsky
May 12, 2008, 6:29:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Grammie and tony are one of Dollar's 4 regulars on his site.
john t | Homepage | 05.12.08 - 6:04 pm | #
Our good friend ol johnt!
May 12, 2008, 6:37:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Well john t's gullibility is on display in the 'out of time' post. Even after we posted the transcript and the actual audio there, he's still believing the phony, made-up mutt quote!
May 12, 2008, 6:44:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I don't know why anyone would bother to try and keep the O'Reilly tape from being aired.
Who on earth was surprised by the fact that Bill O'Reilly was capable of losing his temper and going off?
I'm not aiming an insult towards O'Reilly either. I'm just wondering if there was anyone out there who had ever confused O'Reilly with Harry Smith or James Lipton.
May 12, 2008, 7:12:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Gen Escape Goat- Old Style Dry
"Well I guess that I am banned from Newshounds. They distorted my words, and when I tried to post it, it wouldnt take. I guess thats what they do when they cant win honestly.
tony | 05.12.08 - 6:19 pm | # "
You were probably banned because you were caught lying.
Somebody over there accused you of inciting people here to go over to Newshounds to start trouble. You denied it several times. However, this showed up,
"I love posting on Newshounds. You have never communicated with a more ignorant hatefilled group of people.
If you feel like having some fun go over there and light some fuses.
tony | 05.06.08 - 7:24 pm | # "
And sure enough, shortly thereafter, at least 3 of the regulars went over there to start trouble.
P.S. I find it very hard to believe that a person who repeatedly claims to be a Gay Female to sit there and defend O'Reilly. The same Guy that says Gays should keep it to themselves and be quiet about it and Gay is something you do, not something you are. Nobody is buying that either.
With that being said, It really isn't in my nature to go on places to start trouble or be a pain in the ass. However, Tony's poor poor pitiful me act needed responding to.
Adios
May 12, 2008, 8:02:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Welcome and thanks for posting. But aren't you worried that your message will be immediately deleted? That's what I read in one of the comments at NH today. That I quickly delete messages I disagree with. You might ask john t if that's been his experience.
May 12, 2008, 8:08:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Oh, yea! You can wish death to Bush, Cheney and anyone with an (R) after their name, but, under no circumstances will you be allowed to "light some fuses" at the infamous dog pound. Banned for lying?....If that was the case, newshounds wouldn't exist.
May 12, 2008, 8:16:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Gen Escape Goat- Old Style Dry
I dunno, this is the first time I have posted here and maybe the 3rd time I've even looked here. john t is his own person and I'm my own.
If I were to pop on here every other day and make crazy claims just to start trouble, I would expect to be deleted. It's your gig.
One thing I wouldn't do is lie about why I was banned and play some kind of pity card.
May 12, 2008, 8:25:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well, wouldn't "starting trouble" be dependent upon how fuses were lit?...
If people are going over there to personally insult the News Hounds about ...saaaayyyyy....how their sexuality lines up with their political views...or are using or encouraging others to use foul and abusive language, or engaging in troll strategies (such as sock puppeting), or endlessly decrying and insulting the purpose of the site, etc, THAT should indeed be contrasted from "lighting fuses" by merely defending Fox from claims made on the site.
Overall, though I do think the argument of "free speech" when you're talking about a blogsite makes as much sense as insisting that it's your "right" in someone's home.
If your voice box works, you can say what you wish in someone's living room. However, the host has a perfect right to throw you butt out too.
You are then free to complain about the intolerance of your host.. out on the sidewalk...
May 12, 2008, 8:45:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
Hey, the poll's working again!
May 12, 2008, 8:55:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
john t
That I quickly delete messages I disagree with. You might ask john t if that's been his experience.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 05.12.08 - 8:13 pm | #
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Hey Dollar, my comments were deleted too, so quit your damn crying.
May 12, 2008, 8:55:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
That I quickly delete messages I disagree with. You might ask john t if that's been his experience.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 05.12.08 - 8:13 pm | #
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Hey Dollar, my comments were deleted too, so quit your damn crying.
john t | Homepage | 05.12.08 - 9:00 pm | #
Johnny, I'd take that as a "no"... :D
May 12, 2008, 8:57:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tony
Gen Goat: You can spin all that you want. When I did a cut and past of my TRUE post and went to put it on Newshounds to rebut what they claimed I found that I was banned. The Mod claimed that I had some sort of a contest to see how fast my posts would be deleted, however, the post that they used as 'proof" did not contain that statement. They once again debated what they WISH that I had said. I DID say that it was fun to go over there and light the fuses and I admit that. That is because people over there poop themselves when anyone disagrees.
lastly, as I have said, i am a gay female. I NEVER claimed to be black, however, I read as recently as tonight that I had in fact made that claim. Although I dont know why my race should matter, for some reason the cowards on Newshounds made it into an issue. And its strange that I am banned over, yet you come over here to talk about me.
May 12, 2008, 9:21:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
"If I were to pop on here every other day and make crazy claims just to start trouble, I would expect to be deleted." - GEG OSD
I was one of the folks that went there to point out the NH's error that johnny exposed and tony suggested correcting at their site. I don't pop on their site every other day OR "make any crazy claims just to start trouble" when I visited at tony's prompting. Tony's suggestion was to correct a lie, the corrections of which, while polite, impersonal, and non-aggressive, were promptly deleted. You should have seen how Grammy bent over backwards to be nice while explaining the "mistake". It's a den of compulsive liars motivated by extremist political ideologies.
May 12, 2008, 9:46:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
And now, the poll isn't working again. Is anyone else having the same problem or is it just me?
May 12, 2008, 10:15:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
It's been OK every time I've checked it. But I just look at view results because I don't want to place multiple votes. Sometimes clearing your browser cache or reloading the page will amke it clear up.
May 12, 2008, 10:21:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
Yeah, I just want to view results, too. I'm not voting more than once.
May 12, 2008, 10:47:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
It looks like the majority of poll voters think Obama will come on "The Factor" after the primaries, as he said to BOR in that town I've cited a few times already in this thread on January 5.
I guess that's it for me here until the Tuesday thread. See you then.
May 12, 2008, 11:35:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
