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On the Mark
Beneath even Megyn Kelly and FNC: the graphic footer: "Outraged Liberals: Stop Picking on Obama's Baby Mama". This type of slur, racist to its very core, needs to be condemned by ALL cable news viewers, especially FNC's most ardent defenders. Of course, this was all in the context of a rather bogus Kelly piece with the utterly reprehensible fraud and firebrand Michelle Maulkin on whether the potential first ladies are relevant to voters, which ended up being simply slam Michelle Obama piece. In fairness, Kelly half-heartedly tried to interject some level of perspective. While I am willing to give FNC the benefit of the doubt and say that was a dreadful, shameful aberration, FNC crossed a serious line here.
June 12, 2008, 1:29:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Yes, Kiran is cute, but I can't shake the image of her being the "F&F" co-host that didn't like being pushed out by Gretchen and jumped to the evil competition (MSNBC being the eviller competition). Am I reading that correctly or did I read into it wrong when it happened last February?
What would say about this "baby mama" Deko graphic if MSNBC did it?
Boy, does TVNewser love Keith, and boy, do they love to make it seem like there's an actual feud going on. Nobody can talk about how they do in contrast to their competition without it being labeled as a feud. By the way, I'm sure BOR's grade school teacher that gave him the evaluatory compliment that became the title of his new book, "A Bold, Fresh Piece of Humanity," would love Oralmann's implication last night (based on the title) that the book would be a piece of s***. Real nice. I say those last two sentences with sarcasm.
June 12, 2008, 1:43:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
"waaaa racist"
"waaaa racist"
"waaaaaa racist"
"waaaaaaaa racist"
"waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa racist"
LOL at you. Are you trying to strip all meaning from the word racist?
You cheapen what racism really is... all in the interest of your partisan agenda.
What a dishonor to real victims.
June 12, 2008, 1:50:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
Just to try to tie this back to the topic, Vince, I assume you have absolutely no problem with this FNC/Kelly/Malkin abomination? Would you say that this might be a more-or-less common reaction amongst FNC fans, or do you think it might be limitd to you and a few others? Perhaps other FNC fans find this a serious breach of journalistic ethics?
June 12, 2008, 1:58:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
In previous threads, I've aired my frustration over Cablevision not adding new channels anytime soon. In my latest blog posting, I announce that I won't have anymore posts about Cablevision on there. Click on the "Homepage" link to the right of my name.
June 12, 2008, 2:11:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Is pointing out informative articles and cable news stories about mexican gangs killing Americans in America, Texas to be exact, considered "anti-Hispanic?" Yes or no will do.
June 12, 2008, 2:26:19 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
OTM: I assume you have absolutely no problem with this FNC/Kelly/Malkin abomination?
Well since you're the one who is hyper-parsing words, I think calling them abominations is worse than any of use of slang like "baby mama"
So based on your own standards of judgement , you are a big shameless hypocrite; therefore your question is disingenuous and therefore I dismiss it
June 12, 2008, 2:26:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
What took you so long, vince? LOL!
June 12, 2008, 2:33:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
Mike: i hate how Fox News is channel 360 at my parent's house and i have to press the Up Channel button about 350 times if I'm watching channel 9.
June 12, 2008, 2:34:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
olby: I'm multi-tasking.
June 12, 2008, 2:34:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
Not a grammar lesson, but as to substance. "Abomination" is the noun here, and Kelly/Malkin/FNC are proper nouns serving as adjectives. In other words, the abomination is the act, the footer, not the people. That is a most important distinction, although it may not conveniently fit in with your preconceived notion.
Malkin is not an abomination, but she is reprehensible, not because of who are what she is, but because of what she does. FNC engages in a reprehensible act by giving a reprehensible person a pulpit.
Of course, I don't think Malkin inserted the graphic. I think that is a reprehensible act by some FNC editor. I would like to see FNC apologize for a mistake made (I am still not ready to whole-heartedly, across the board condemn FNC). However, FNC "fessing up" to any error is rare indeed.
And, yes, Vince, "baby mama" is, beyond doubt and with absolute certainty, a racial slur. Let's just hope it was a poor joke by some lower level editor. I would like FNC to weigh in on this, but, again, I would be surprised if it did.
June 12, 2008, 3:16:15 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
OTM: I believe in viewing things as a rational human being. Therefore what is the more rational explanation.
1 - The Fox producer understood "Baby Mama" to be a racist insult
2 - The Fox producer understood "Baby Mama" to be a informal cutesty celebrity-tabloid phrase
Since I have a brain, and am not blinded by ideological zealotry, I chose 2.
Looking at a Slate article from 2006. I'm pretty sure this term has evolved into even more offensivelessness since then:
[...]
The Oxford English Dictionary defines baby-daddy as "the father of a woman's child, who is not her husband or (in most cases) her current or exclusive partner." The baby-mama entry follows the same template with the genders reversed. But some gossip writers have been adopting the first part of the definition and ignoring the second.
[...]
These days, the terms no longer seem "chiefly African-American"they're everywhere, the latest bits of hip-hop lingo to gain widespread use. [...] But just as often, the connotations are strictly biological. Baby-mama has even made inroads in Japan, where it's being used on a Web site that appears to sell strollers.
Who knows why these terms became catchphrases? Perhaps it's just that they're metrically pleasing: Baby-mama and baby-daddy are undeniably fun to say. But it's the novelty factor that explains how the words lost their negative connotations [...] But it seems there are also plenty of writers who just like the way the words sound and don't care much about the stigma once attached to babydaddyhood.
June 12, 2008, 4:01:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
Vince:
You have made your position clear, and, while I disagree with you, I see no point in belaboring it other than to say I hope some true FNC fans are at least a bit alarmed or offended by this.
Many thanks, Johnny, for posting the link for all to see and make their own judgments.
I must also add, Vince, I find your comments about Mike gratuitous and offensive. I can't think of anything he said or did, substantively or ideologically (and Lou Dobbs knows you are much closer to Mike ideologically and in your fondness of FNC than I) that would warrant such a comment.
June 12, 2008, 7:05:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
OTM,
I read that Michelle Obama introduced her husband as her "baby's daddy" the night he was elected to the Senate.
http://fallingpanda.blogspot.com/2008/02/obamas-babys-mama.html
Accepting the information as true (I know nothing about the credibility of the site but the link is from February), maybe someone at Fox did some research and played on Michelle's own words.
June 12, 2008, 7:08:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
I see references to it other places mostly said by those who were not Obama fans. If this story has legs, someone will come up with a video, if she did say it.
June 12, 2008, 7:20:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
Well, that makes it all fine then. Let's just hope none of the cable news outlets pick up on McCain's pet name for his wife and begin making crawls with that (which I suppose would violate FCC guidelines). Let's also hope Senator Obama never called his wife, Snuggle Muffin, so we don't have to live through that.
Seriously, you don't think that there is some distinction between terms of endearment between a couple and acceptable fodder for cable news?
This is my last word on this topic. The rabid FNC defenders and apologists are making me retch over this. Lou Dobbs knows you'll come up with volumes of excuses and never often a word of criticism, however appalling the words and graphics are. I suppose I just walk away with dignity, pleased not all FNC fans are so "tolerant".
June 12, 2008, 7:26:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
I don't understand your comment at all. Mrs. Obama's response was public. I think you are ducking the issue, and if that is your answer, it is pretty pitiful. Mine was just an objective observation.
June 12, 2008, 7:38:35 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
Every other word out of OTM is "I'm offended"
I dont care.. be offended , that's your problem
June 12, 2008, 8:03:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
OTM; LOL at "which I suppose would violate FCC guidelines"
The FCC has no authority over cable.
*laughing*
June 12, 2008, 8:05:19 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
FAQ's from the FCC website:
Do the FCC's rules apply to cable and satellite programming?
In the past, the FCC has enforced the indecency and profanity prohibitions only against conventional broadcast services, not against subscription programming services such as cable and satellite. However, the prohibition against obscene programming applies to subscription programming services at all times.
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/oip/FAQ.html
June 12, 2008, 8:51:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
"This type of slur, racist to its very core, needs to be condemned"
Oh my, thank you dear leftist moral judge for your verdict....May I quote Ms. Obama (the post-racial candidate's wife)?.....
"BLITZER: We can take a look. Maybe he will and maybe he won't but she looks like she's about to introduce him. Let's listen in.
"MICHELLE OBAMA, WIFE OF BARACK OBAMA: My baby's daddy Barack Obama. Yeah!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/02/se.06.html
And since you have pronounced from on high that I am a racist, the fact that I was not aware that "Baby Mama" was automatically a racist slur confuses me about my designation now!
BTW, I got the link to CNN from HuffPo.
Faux indignation by an effete white leftist over racism is a great ploy of yours, OTM!
The benefit of the doubt is so easily given to some and not to others.....what a value system!
June 12, 2008, 9:01:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
"Seriously, you don't think that there is some distinction between terms of endearment between a couple and acceptable fodder for cable news?"
Truth be told,for someone who can roll 'vile leftist" off his keyboard as an automatic response,probably not.But let me try.
Vince,go to a diner on the edge of Baltimore,and start calling your black middle aged waitress "mama",and let us know how that works out?
At a baby shower,a dear friend refered lovingly to his wife as his "easy bake oven".Now not knowing them,and meeting them on the street,ask him how his obviously pregnant "easy bake oven" is handling her swelling belly,and let us know how that works out.
I think demeaning attitudes toward women is a contributing factor, as well as a willful blindspot towards racial stereotypes, to the far rights easy acceptance of this use of language towards a black woman.
It is sad that some can not recognize how this is demeaning to women,blacks,and Ms Obama in particular.It is tragic that a news network would not care.
June 12, 2008, 9:14:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
NVH,
Racism will never be completely eradicated until those who have been the subject of racism stop using the "I can say it but you can't" line of reasoning. Blaming a news network is not the answer.
June 12, 2008, 9:27:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
sharm | 06.12.08 - 9:32 am |
Can you not see the difference between a verbal interaction between husband and wife and a broadcaster using the same words as a diminutive?
I've called my wife some tender if sexually charged pet names.Perhaps you have too(Towards your wife,not mine, lol).Now imagine if a stranger used those same words towards your wife.Would their face remain on the front of their head?
June 12, 2008, 9:39:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
This is basic liberal PC hypersensitivity, and it proves that the PC crowd is racist because of their constant attention to race in politics even when it isn't there.
How about Anderson Cooper calling that black lady "Boo" a few days ago, OTM and nvh? I didn't see you two outraged then. Very selective.
On topic, the HD article was semi-informative about the benefits of HD, but they forgot one aspect of HD that makes it shine over standard def- it's broadcast in 5.1 instead of stereo. For home theater owners, it makes a massive difference in audial quality and directional imaging.
June 12, 2008, 9:53:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
It was a public introduction.
Okay, let's say that my husband calls me "Hotty Pants." I win the House seat for my district. My husband proceeds me at the podium: "And now, I would like to introduce you to Hotty Pants!" A headline in the paper the next day reads "Hotty Pants in Hot Water over ... "
Should we be offended?
June 12, 2008, 9:55:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Now the conservative Asian American female is getting hate-mail from compassionate erudite soul examining leftists like OTM....
"You disgusting racist slant eyed pig! How do you like the name calling? Referring to Senator Obamas wife in your typical way is what the country expects from an ignorant racist pig like yourself. No one wants to listen to your racist rants anymore. May the nightmare that is you be gone soon."
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/11/were-going-to-hell/
June 12, 2008, 10:03:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
sharm | 06.12.08 - 10:00 am |
Well,little lady,I guess you have a right to not be offended.But sweet cheeks,try to understand why some might be.
The best analogy I've come up with is the middle aged,black waitress.Go ahead and call her 'mama',if you want, sugar buns.
Now I'm done with this,if nobody has figured out what I'm saying by now,it's not going to happen.
June 12, 2008, 10:05:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
cee | 06.12.08 - 10:08 am |
Hate speech comes from all sides,doesn't it.
June 12, 2008, 10:07:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
The ones who inject race into the situation are the racists.
Play the card, be a hypocrite.
June 12, 2008, 10:09:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
nvh,
I guess I do get it now. It is okay to publicly refer to your mate what some would call a racially charged term because it is just no one's business.
June 12, 2008, 10:12:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
..even if your husband was just elected to serve the people...
June 12, 2008, 10:14:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
The reason nobody gets your outrage, OTM and nvh, is because your claim of racism is empty and hypocritical.
You still haven't addressed Cooper's "Boo".
June 12, 2008, 10:15:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Yes it does, NVH, however, the term "baby mama" is in the eye of the beholder. When the beholder is not African-American or a woman, I feel they have no grounds for complaint....their outrage is more indicative of a partisan tactic to distract from the issues at hand in the piece (which OTM dismissed anyway).
OTM's outrage is historic and hysterical. His previous proclamations of racism, etc. make him the board's "Chicken Little."
June 12, 2008, 10:22:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Alright,i just watched the "boo" clip.
Boo means friend,right.Or something else.Do you think that Mr Cooper and Ms Braizille know each other?Do you think,judging from their on-screen interaction,that thye might like each other?Do you think they might be friends?
Do you think that Ms Malkin was implying that she likes Ms Obama?That Ms Obama is a friend that she would use an endearment towards.
Do you think that Fox was trying to imply warmth and affection towards Ms Obama?
June 12, 2008, 10:27:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
A very sad day for Americans and our brave troops. A happy day for defenders of our enemy.
June 12, 2008, 10:28:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Oblio,
you must have heard that SCOTUS has ruled that out Constitution is still in force.The best you can say for Mr Bush is that he has taken some VERY bad legal advise.
June 12, 2008, 10:30:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
SCOTUS ruling is topic drift, guys.
June 12, 2008, 10:38:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I have faith our troops will do the RIGHT thing in response to this unbelievable ruling. Let the bullets fly, boys!
June 12, 2008, 10:40:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince
>Vince,go to a diner on the edge of Baltimore,and start calling your black middle aged waitress "mama",and let us know how that works out?
I live in Chicago, I've talked "black" to many black women.. they think it's finny.
Here's a clue for you overwrought Leftists.. most normal people have good senses of humor about these things.
June 12, 2008, 10:42:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
I have a feeling that Michelle Malkin will be Worst Person in the World tonight on meltdown and we will hear another Olbermann lie about how Michelle said Baby's momma when in reality it was a caption under her.
June 12, 2008, 10:51:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Thanks for letting me vent, Johnny.
June 12, 2008, 10:52:02 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Vince | Homepage | 06.12.08 - 10:47 am |
Ah,yes.The old "if you don't think it's funny than you have no sense of humor" dodge.Good luck with that.
That dodge can cut both ways.Do you have the same "sense of humor" when you and yours is being insulted?
June 12, 2008, 10:52:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
Michelle Obama has called Barry her baby's daddy on the campagin trail several times.
June 12, 2008, 10:54:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
That does not matter, Factor....People just know FNC and the Asian-American female conservative are bigoted knuckle-draggers and meant the term "Obama's baby mama" as a racist epithet....
The left has special powers yet are very sensitive to other people's insults.
June 12, 2008, 11:12:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
The left only cares about jackpotting Fox News and trying to marginalize them because they offer a view of the world contrary to their distorted worldview.
June 12, 2008, 11:17:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
cee | Homepage | 06.12.08 - 11:17 am |
I'm curious.Why do you think Fox reffered to Ms Obama as"Obama's baby mama"?
Have they ever reffered in a chyron to Karl Rove as "Turdblossom"?
June 12, 2008, 11:28:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Over the past several days I watched a DVD of the most recent Rambo film. The movie involved Rambo's rescue of missionaries who were captured by a murdering, genocidal general in Burma. Scenes of rape and torture and genocide were extremely gruesome. Even more disturbing was the commentary on the DVD that the writers had to tone down the violence that was actually occurring in Burma in order to get it on to the movie screen.
However, the murdering, raping, genocidal warlords of Burma do not even deserve an honorable mention for the "Worst Person of the World" award. Nooooo a reliable source (Keith Olbermann) says that dishonor belongs to Katie Couric. And what was her horrendous crime?
I hope you are ready for this. If you have a queasy stomach read no further.
She maliciously accused the news media of sexism in their coverage of the race between Hillary and Obama.
With great viciousness and cruelty she told a specific reporter (whom she will not name publicly) that he should get another job because he is not objective. She said that to his face! Can you believe it!
Ohhh the horror. The horror. Never let it be said that Olbermann is over the top or inflammatory in his language. Katie Couric really is undoubtedly the worst person in the world. She deserves derision. She deserves to be despised. She deserves at the very least to be imprisoned for the rest of her life for her horrible, horrible crimes against humanity.
June 12, 2008, 11:38:39 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
I do not think there was a "why," NVH....I think it was a poor choice of words with no intent to smear or worse, spark hatred among the throngs of Troglodytes as some (not you) suggested earlier.
The producer, whoever, that chose the wording only made the mistake of giving political correctness ammunition to thin-skinned libs like OTM who was itching to post so that he could chastise his lessers.
Again, as OTM's labeled neanderthal racist, my secret decoder ring did not whistle so I KNOW this was not a secret signal to don the sheets and grab my noose.....
June 12, 2008, 11:39:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
It is obvious to anyone who has two brain cells to rub together that some Fox News intern was trying to use some "hip" pop culture reference that they probably heard some celebutard use on M TV. While you can fault Fox News for swimming in the pop culture sewer, you can't fault them for racism.
June 12, 2008, 11:40:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
"I probably saw literally 90 percent of Lee Cowan`s reporting in this campaign, and it was utterly objective and accurate" Keith Olbermann
I loved this line from Keith Olbermann. As if he would know what objective and accurate is. Having Keith Olbermann call you "objective and accurate" is like having Idi Amin call you a humanitarian.
June 12, 2008, 11:47:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Word
June 12, 2008, 11:48:48 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Have they ever reffered in a chyron to Karl Rove as "Turdblossom"?
notveryhow | 06.12.08 - 11:33 am | #
Until you or otm criticise Olbyonesiddkanoby for calling McCain "McSenile" or countless other slurs I suggest you shut your pie hole, ok? Thanks.
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June 12, 2008, 11:55:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I have heard 'turdblossom' used on Fox re Rove, but I don't really see the equivalence to the controversy at hand.
June 12, 2008, 12:09:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Mmm...Miracles do happen....I agree with Lanny (Bill Clinton would never lie) Davis....Keith Olbermann is a bomb throwing radical in the Ann Coulter genre.
June 12, 2008, 12:38:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Well it looks like Fox News are at it again....Distorting what Obama actually said on gas prices.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/momocrats/fox-news-sly-distortion-o_b_106662.html
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June 12, 2008, 1:14:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
I don't see how Fox News distorted what Obama said. Shep was reporting what Mitch McConnel was saying and gave the exact quote from Obama. It is Obvious that Obamanation thinks that if gas prices our high, it will force consumers to consume less energy.
June 12, 2008, 1:23:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Haggis, I agree with The Factor. Keeping prices down with additional supply is another answer that the Democrat controlled Congress refused to pass. Senator McConnel is right to characterize the democrat's position as that of wanting higher prices to force the American people to consume less energy. Why else would the democrats have wanted to institute a windfall profits tax that, when done previously, it resulted in a decrease in supply and an increase in prices?
The problem is that the republican POTUS nominee is also against increased domestic production so there is no political issue here. To the detriment of the security of our country, BTW.
It is the same with the granting of US Constitutional rights to POWS/alien combatants today....McCain is no different than SNOBamessiah here as well. To the detriment of the security of our country, BTW.
June 12, 2008, 1:42:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Patsy is just parroting. Pay no mind to the parrot folk.
June 12, 2008, 1:46:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Anyone have anything to say about the Kiran Chetry link?
June 12, 2008, 1:47:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I never said that he should work for free....But $5 million for spewing hate is plenty in anyone's books.
HaggisFarmer | 06.10.08 - 10:14 pm |
Haggis please provide a quote from Hannity's show where he has urged someone to hate or despise someone else. I think you could do that with Olby with his worst person award. That award is not done tongue in cheek and it says that the person who said something Olby does not like is worse than all the rapist and murderers and genocidal maniacs in the world. He sets his victims up for absolute hate.
Now please tell me where Hannity has said we should hate someone because they said something he disagreed with.
danny | 06.10.08 - 10:43 pm | #
It's 3:45am here...To be honest I can't be bothered looking for quotes....I'll get some latter today for you....But he does hate the clinton/Obama...And anything left of Radical Right.
HaggisFarmer | 06.10.08 - 10:52 pm | #
Haggis,
HF
It is not 3:00 a.m. now. please provide us with the quote substantiating your claim that Hannity "spews hate" on a level that is greater or even equivalent to Olby.
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June 12, 2008, 1:58:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
danny | 06.12.08 - 2:03 pm |
You just don't understand Haggisfarmers definition of "hate". His definition of hate is opposition to socialism. Just like his defintion of peace is the lack of opposition to socialism.
June 12, 2008, 2:11:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Ain't gonna happen, danny.
June 12, 2008, 2:13:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
So, to answer my question, no.
June 12, 2008, 2:24:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
The reason nobody gets your outrage, OTM and nvh, is because your claim of racism is empty and hypocritical.
You still haven't addressed Cooper's "Boo".
---
Sorry about the delay, FF. Hopping around a good bit all day.
I do take strong exception to your claim of hypocrisy. Perhaps, you see this in very different terms than I. However, I bet you are a bit back by the latent and not so latent racism of many of the reactions herein.
I will say as to Cooper, his comment was in questionable taste, but unlike the unfortunate Malkin and FNC editor, he was TALKING TO Ms. Brazile and not ABOUT her. That is a key distinction. The ability to immediately respond, to treat someone equally and fairly in the course of a conversation.
Ms. Malkin is not worthy of any discussion.
The FNC editor is akin to someone who libels another by writing tawdry comments on a restroom wall. A head ought to roll over this.
June 12, 2008, 2:28:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
The Factor, they see anything else as being relativism. I'm not saying that Haggis fits this description really, but where you do you go with the people who do? They must live a life of endless covert psychological warfare for the cause.
It's quite a personality type.
June 12, 2008, 2:29:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
MikeC., Kiran is lovely and I really like the style of her dress.
June 12, 2008, 2:30:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
anon
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June 12, 2008, 2:40:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
With the endless demands for apologies and firings these days, I'm wondering if it hasn't become of a bit of PR stunt by media members to pull the chains of the political junkies in order to get all the internet a twitter every day. The clips passed around alone must be thousands in free PR.
Wasn't it just last week that Keith Olbermann was said to have wanted Hillary beaten up?
Outrage is the new crack cocaine.
June 12, 2008, 2:40:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
You too, News Hounder...
June 12, 2008, 2:41:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
kevmack
Haggis please provide a quote from Hannity's show where he has urged someone to hate or despise someone else. I think you could do that with Olby with his worst person award. That award is not done tongue in cheek and it says that the person who said something Olby does not like is worse than all the rapist and murderers and genocidal maniacs in the world. He sets his victims up for absolute hate.
Now please tell me where Hannity has said we should hate someone because they said something he disagreed with.
danny | 06.10.08 - 10:43 pm | #
What about Hannity's Enemy of the State segment
June 12, 2008, 2:42:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
Off the Mark | 06.12.08 - 2:33 pm | #
So Off the Mark is saying that because Coop said the "slur" to Donna Brazile face, it is OK but since no black people were present when the screen cap was show on Fox News, it is racist? That makes sense..LOL
So Off the Mark, how do you know that the intern who put up the screen cap was not black?? Oh and since Michelle Malkin had nothing to do with the screen cap, I don't even know why she is part of the conversation.
June 12, 2008, 2:45:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> What about Hannity's Enemy of the State segment
What about it? First, tell us what show uses that segment, and when you last saw it. And then give us a quote of the "hate" he spoke so we'll know you're not just making it up.
June 12, 2008, 2:48:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
What about Hannity's Enemy of the State segment
kevmack | 06.12.08 - 2:47 pm | #
As I recall, Hannity only made people Enemy of the State who had actually defamed our hurt this country in some way. He did not just make people enemy of the state because they disagreed with his views. That segment was scrapped pretty quickly and was never done on Hannity and Combs. Surly you can find a better example than that?
June 12, 2008, 2:53:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Fox: Producer exercised poor judgement with Obamas baby mama
I see J$ has removed kevmack post...But Hannity also has a worst person award on Hannitys America(don't know what he calls it)...Is that not the same thing?
[duplicative, nonreciprocal link edited]
Edited By Siteowner
June 12, 2008, 2:53:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Alright then, maybe this will cover it for you, Mike.
Kiran's a mensch, a marvel, a honey, a hottie, a diamond, a diva, and a damn good news reader.
June 12, 2008, 2:55:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Apparently J$ has nor removed kevmack post...I refreshed the comments and it had gone...But it seems it's still there....Sorry J$
June 12, 2008, 2:56:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
What you said the first time, Cecelia, was good enough. I must have published my "to answer my question, no" comment while you were answering.
June 12, 2008, 2:58:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Haggis, my question was for keymack. I want him/her to answer it. And why are you posting a link to Think Propaganda when I have a link to the same story from a reputable source?
June 12, 2008, 2:59:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
The first statment on the ThinkPropaganda post is calling for the firing of the producer. I wonder how many called for the firing of David Shuster?
June 12, 2008, 2:59:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
reputable source?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.12.08 - 3:04 pm |
Fox: Producer exercised poor judgement with Obamas baby mama chyron.
So Bill Shine didn't say this?
June 12, 2008, 3:01:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Mike, I forgot to add that I wish they'd hired her for F&F Weekends, too. :D
June 12, 2008, 3:01:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Don't start, Haggis. I'm definitely not in the mood. TP is not a news source; it's a partisan site that only attacks one side, steals the work of other sites without acknowledgment, and has been caught doctoring and slicing video/audio bits to forward a lie. And that's just what I've documented myself.
I already linked to Shine's comments so why did you feel any need to? In fact, since your playing innocent game is getting on my nerves, I am going to strike that link. If your purpose was to let people know what Shine said, as you seem to suggest, you will be pleased to know that the link I posted some time before you jumped in will do that just as well.
June 12, 2008, 3:07:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Ms. Malkin is not worthy of any discussion.
by 'otm'
Have Malkins words ever killed anyone?
June 12, 2008, 3:08:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.12.08 - 3:12 pm |
The honest answer...I never checked your front page before posting.
"it's a partisan site that only attacks one side"
It is a left wing blog...Exactly the same is true for the Right wing blogs.
June 12, 2008, 3:13:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Another day, another lie by haggi. Shocker! "Hannity hates!" With no proof.....
June 12, 2008, 3:14:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> The honest answer...I never checked your front page before posting.
Well, didn't you use that excuse last time? This isn't a chat room. It's a comments thread based off the cable news developments of the day. I spend hours tracking down links and constantly updating the main page every day. If you want to comment here, please remember that the tail does not wag the dog. The comments are an adjunct to the blog post, and I expect people to give me the minimal respect of knowing what I posted before commenting on it.
June 12, 2008, 3:16:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
So where is the quote? You still haven't produced one, and you said you would. If fact, you said you would get on it immediately. Where is it?
You have in no way substantiated your claim that Hannity is a spewer of hate greater than or even equivalent to Olbermann.
June 12, 2008, 3:17:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.12.08 - 3:19 pm |
LOL...I'm not the only person who thinks this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSpPLu1Iozs
June 12, 2008, 3:17:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I'll be back tomorrow. Mission accomplished, far-left trolls.
June 12, 2008, 3:19:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
"However, I bet you are a bit back by the latent and not so latent racism of many of the reactions herein."
OTM
###
Damn, my secret racist "US of KKK A"* decoder ring must still be on the fritz....I'm going to need to have it checked!.....The coded instructions for FOX NEWS are not coming through!
Oh and that reminds me....I better make sure I leave my TAHOE idling....you know, ""White man's greed versus a world in need."**
*Rev. Jeremiah Wright
**Barack Obama, "Dreams of My Father"
June 12, 2008, 3:24:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.12.08 - 3:21 pm |
It's not an excuse...That's what happened...But I'll try not to let it happen again.
June 12, 2008, 3:24:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I still want the quote, HF. No excuses will be accepted.
June 12, 2008, 3:33:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Aeris Gainsborough
To Johnny Dollar:
IF no one at Olbermann Watch posts a summary for Thursday, June 12, 2008, may I post one here, tomorrow?
Thanks.
June 12, 2008, 3:38:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Mike Huckabee Joins Fox News Channel (I checked the front page J$...So no link )
looks like Fox are building up their armaments for an all out attack this summer/autumn.
danny | 06.12.08 - 3:38 pm |
Just listen to his radio show...Obama/Clinton are regularly on the receiving end....I'm sure J$ doesn't want his comment section all cluttered up with this.
June 12, 2008, 3:39:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
Huckabee, huh?
Interesting program choice, and I rather liked his candor. I don't know if he'll wear well over the long term, but he ought to be good for some laughs. And, as the election drags on and concervatives become even more disaffected, he could be a real thorn for McBush!
Slightly off topic, although much mentioned: Thank goodness for the Supremes salvaging some small portion of our Constitution! With the Brits having passed the 42 day suspension law (actually, Labor with opposition from the Tories), I have something to crow about. America as the defender of human rights once again! What a lovely change.
June 12, 2008, 3:40:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> IF no one at Olbermann Watch posts a summary for Thursday, June 12, 2008, may I post one here, tomorrow?
No.
June 12, 2008, 3:47:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
I listen as much as I can. I have heard Obama a Clinton criticized but I have never heard Hannity lift them up for hatred as Olby lifts people up for hatred.
Just one quote where Hannity says that Obama and Clinton are worse than child molesters and genocidal maniacs would suffice.
June 12, 2008, 3:49:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
Quite dancing around and provide the solid quote you promised.
June 12, 2008, 3:51:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
quite = quit
June 12, 2008, 3:51:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
OK I think Haggis has been asked that question enough times. Either he'll answer it or he won't. In any case, no need to keep repeating it, at least on this thread.
June 12, 2008, 3:55:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
If you keep dancing around, our conversation could get tedious. Kind of like your conversation with Johnny the other day. Johnny never promised to provide the information you wanted, and he had a good reason for not providing it. Neither is applicable to you.
June 12, 2008, 3:56:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.12.08 - 4:00 pm |
Well said J$...When danny starts talking rubbish like this "Hannity says that Obama and Clinton are worse than child molesters and genocidal maniacs"....I loose interest in what he has to say.
June 12, 2008, 4:02:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
Then take back what you said about Hannity spews hate. You have not substantiated it, and compared to your hero olby, Hannity is a saint.
June 12, 2008, 4:04:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
danny | 06.12.08 - 4:01 pm |
I know he never promised anything....But I'd imagine he recorded the show and I was only wanting verification that Brian misquoted Clinton...That's all.
June 12, 2008, 4:05:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF
Please don't bring that stuff up again. I was sick of it the other day.
Now the shoe is on the other foot. Substantiate your claim or take it back.
June 12, 2008, 4:07:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
I read the FNC apology, and I think it was appropriate and commendable. I also read that a number of FNC staffers were unhappy with the footer. Good show!
---
As for Mr Sucks' question: "Have Malkins words ever killed anyone?," I can fathom neither the import nor the relevance, but I simply do not know. I understand she once hurled an over-done standing rib roast at her maid, then bounced boiled new potatoes off her head as she was cleaning up the mess. Supposedly, there is a clip of this which will be played at the appropriate time.
None of that is true, of course. In fact, kudos to Ms. Malkin for rejecting the bogus "whitey" clip. Even in darkness, goodness sometimes lies.
---
How generous you are, AG. Perhaps work has recommenced on the Bush on Mt. Rushmore project. Are you, perhaps, progeny of the great English landscape and portrait painter Thomas Gainsborough? Or are you of the Sephiroth ilk?
June 12, 2008, 4:08:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
Hucksterbee on Fox News, YUK. The lask thing we need on cable news is another faux conservative populist on cable news.
June 12, 2008, 4:17:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Uh oh. When the official announcement comes, messages like the above will become a J$P rules violation!
June 12, 2008, 4:32:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
"Deliver Us From Evil: Defeating Terrorism,Despotism and Liberalism" by Sean Hannity
What do we do to terrorists? Do we buy them lattes,or do we kill them.Sounds like hate to me.
oblio | Homepage | 06.12.08 - 12:00 pm |
Don't you know that "turdblossom' is Mr Bush's pet name for Karl Rove?Seems to me that if an apologist wants to claim that Fox was just using an endearment that Sen Obama would use,than it's only fair play that they use the same type of name for Karl Rove.
BTW,why am I in a separate catagory from OTM,I basically agree with his take on this,though I use different language.
June 12, 2008, 5:35:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
If you ask me, Brian Mahoney of The Radio Equilizer is a mouth piece for the Talk Radio Network. He deserves no response.
June 12, 2008, 5:49:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Is it safe to comment now?
I'm glad Huck is joining FNC. Welcome aboard.
June 12, 2008, 6:14:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
What do we do to terrorists? Do we buy them lattes,or do we kill them.Sounds like hate to me.
Don't you think this quote is a little silly? Even Sergeant York, a conscientious objector, ultimately decided that it was best to kill people who were threatening the lives of himself and his friends. What the quote describes is not so much hate as a natural human response to a clear and present danger.
On the other hand, poor Katie Couric, the worst person in the world, isn't threating the life of anybody.
June 12, 2008, 6:48:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Wow! Some in the media have now finally started to say what we've been saying since 2004.
What does it take for media members to finally criticize a guy who hosts a cable news channel's political coverage and who must recuse himself from interviewing Republicans... a guy who uses his "news" show as his own ideological platform and echo chamber...a guy's whose endlessly hyped personal hit piece commentaries make the Howard Beale character from the movie Network seem like John Chancellor in comparison...
Well, when it comes to the MSM, not much... It only takes knocking Hillary.
June 12, 2008, 6:59:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"BTW,why am I in a separate catagory from OTM"
by nvh
Who said that? Whoever did was mistaken.
June 12, 2008, 7:11:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Do we buy them lattes,or do we kill them.Sounds like hate to me.
No brainer. Luckily, 99% of our troops agree with me.
June 12, 2008, 7:12:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Ms. Malkin is not worthy of any discussion.
On the Mark | 06.12.08 - 2:33 pm | #
In fact, kudos to Ms. Malkin for rejecting the bogus "whitey" clip. Even in darkness, goodness sometimes lies.
On the Mark | 06.12.08 - 4:13 pm | #
What will it be tomorrow? Will she be a racist and not worthy, again?
June 12, 2008, 8:09:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
Is it not possbile to recognize that Ms. Malkin sometimes says what is true, and sometimes does not? That she is sometimes on the side of the forces of darkness and sometimes on the side of the forces of light? That the same can be said for Olbermann and every cable news personality? That the same can be said for each of us? And, isn't it our job to separate out the wheat from the chafe? We can whine and moan all we want about who is on the boob tube, but, in the end, we walk away with what is important and what is not. Hannity doesn't dictate my ideology or color my view, unless I cede that to him. I am not willing to do so anymore than you are to with Olbermann, Mr. Sucks. So, why the frenzied panic? In the end a site like this is much more about making us intelligent viewers and listeners than it is about being hyenas scurrying about a carcas we have stumbled upon.
June 12, 2008, 8:23:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
I think it's offensively misanthropic how OTM says that Ms Malkin doesn't have human diginity and should be considered a non-person.
The Left OWNS hate. They are emersed in it.
June 12, 2008, 8:25:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
f I said that, it would be offensive. Thank goodness those words can be found only in a misquote of what I said. I suppose misquoting someone validates what they actually said. Thanks for the compliment, Vince.
June 12, 2008, 8:35:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
The only link to cable news to be found in talking about Michelle is that she's a Fox News Contributor.
June 12, 2008, 8:39:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Did Michelle actually say baby momma drama or was it just the two second chyron I saw in the clip? Why are people calling Michelle a racist?
I can't believe there is such an outrage over a two second screen flash that was an attempt at creative verbiage. Hypersensitive and hypocritical.
June 12, 2008, 9:20:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OTM,
The exact words that you used is that she is not worthy of discussion. To say that she is not worthy of discussion is different from saying that she is not relevant to a certain discussion.
All people do have a certain innate worth. A newborn baby who hasnt done anything is worth a discussion. Hell, even Hitler is worth a discussion. Even people who are beneath contempt are worth a discussion. And why would a person who is a frequent contributor on a cable news channel not be worth a discussion in a forum that is devoted to discussing people who are on cable news channels?
The only explanation can be that you regard Malkin as a nonentity . . . a non person. That is the meaning that Vince took from what you said, and I think that his interpretation is fair.
I also think it is funny that in your latest post, you spent a lot of verbage discussing a person whom you said is unworthy of discussion; yet in all that verbage you never explained why she is unworthy of discussion.
June 12, 2008, 9:21:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
On the Mark | 06.12.08 - 8:28 pm | #
Good points, OTM.
June 12, 2008, 9:27:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Danny and Vince are correct however, you did discuss someone who isn't "worthy of discussion".
June 12, 2008, 9:28:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
I will cede that point, alone, excepting the analysis of what I intended by "worthy of discussion," with apologies, Danny and Vince, and I appreciate you calling this to my attention, Danny amd FF. I also apprciate your discussion of innate worth, Danny.
June 12, 2008, 9:40:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OTM,
I am not totally sure of what you just said, but I do appreciate your courtesy . . . I think.
No need to try to explain it anymore, however.
June 12, 2008, 9:45:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
This is why I like OTM. I too will cede a point if called on it as well. That's yet to be done, however.
June 12, 2008, 9:48:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Here's a comment I just posted at OlbyWatch in the "Olby Slaps Female News Anchor" post:
I can't wait to hear [John] Gibson tear into Keith over tonight's SEK; tomorrow night, I assume. I skimmed through the SEK, but heard the last 40 seconds in full. What a drama queen. Or maybe I should type it like this: "What...a...drama queen! Good night and good luck."
June 12, 2008, 9:49:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
According to the latest BillOReilly.com newsletter, Kinky Friedman has been touring Europe. In previewing next week's highlights, the newsletter says:
Kinky Friedman has just returned from a tour of Europe, and he'll enter the No Spin Zone to tell us about the EU's attitudes towards the American election process...
That's why he hasn't been on "The Factor" all this time. I wonder if this means no more Mary Katharine Ham. I hope not. I love her contributions as well as Amanda Carpenter's on Wednesdays.
Also, another GE-centered investigation, this time about not cleaning their own mess in the Hudson River.
June 12, 2008, 10:56:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Kirk G
I just don't get it, why will NBC keep Olbermann on the air when he is hurting NBCs creditablity?
June 13, 2008, 12:56:51 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
That's the $1 million question. I wish I knew the answer. My worst case scenario assumption is that the brass loves Keith, agrees with him completely, shares his ideology completely, shares a hatred for all things Fox/News Corp/BOR, and don't want to change a thing. I feel so powerless. If I was running NBC or GE, I'd throw him right off the air.
June 13, 2008, 1:05:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
It's fairly easy to cede a point, gentlemen, if all you're doing is just blowing smoke up people's posteriors.
I know most of you are young, but you're not THAT young...
June 13, 2008, 1:09:21 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I was hoping we could forget about everything posted above my 9:54 comment. Oh, well.
June 13, 2008, 1:27:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
It's fairly easy to cede a point, gentlemen, if all you're doing is just blowing smoke up people's posteriors.
I know that Cecelia, and I could have pointed that out, but I just didn't feel like arguing with him about that any more.
I figured I had made my point and it was time to move on.
But yeah, the only point he really conceded was that he discussed Malkin when he said that she wasn't worthy of discussion. And, oh yes, he appreciated my discussion of innate worth. I guess the later was sort of a courteous thing to say.
June 13, 2008, 3:40:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
Actualy, it was true, Danny. Perhaps, courteous, as well, but true. However, I will not put you in the cross fire of Cecelia's wrath and bitterness.
June 13, 2008, 4:18:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
What a guy...
June 13, 2008, 5:52:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I like you Cece, but you're proving his point.
June 13, 2008, 10:01:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I like you very much, Fox Fan. But as outed by Bob Cox, under one alias or another, including Clucker, A N O N Y M O U S, m Schultz, etc, this oh so enlightened liberal called me (and Grammie and Sharm) everything from drunken sluts to lying "bags, drags, and hags".
I don't respond very well to trolls right now. Give me another month. Maybe then I can move on and pretend that this guy is a merely a cheery and pithy dissenter, rather than an ill-intentioned old poseur.
June 13, 2008, 2:05:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
Cecelia:
For the love of Lou Dobbs, give it up. Most of what you are saying is untrue or incorrect anyway, and it is just a complete farce. Let me be very clear, and I beg Johnny's indulgence to clear the slander you have engaged in, yet again: I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER CALLED YOU OR THE OTHERS SLUTS, DRUNKEN OR OTHERWISE, OR DRAGS, LYING OR OTHERWISE. I resent this. To my knowledge the only woman I have ever called in slut is David Vitter's wife, and I believe even then I said she looked like a slut. And, I was correct. I don't even know what a drag would be. Can't you just move on, if not for my sake or the sake of Johnny and your fellow readers, then for your own sake. The way you hold to this crap can't be healthy. As tired as you are of what you call trolls, and ou very selectively and often inappropriately use that label, I can assure you I am tired of your ugly name-calling. And, I imagine many of the other posters here are as well. Just get over it.
June 13, 2008, 2:18:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Look, I don't want this to devolve into a personal spat in my comment threads. OTM, do you want to admit you posted at Olbermann Watch under a myriad of different names? Do you consider the IP addresses used a fair arbiter of who is who? That's easy to check and then all will be revealed, as they say on Galactica.
If we can't close the issue in that fashion then let's take it somewhere else.
June 13, 2008, 2:24:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Yes, you did, Mark. I've got all Bob Cox's posts outing your aliases and there are people here like Cee, Grammie, Sharm, and Olby Sucks who will attest to that too.
June 13, 2008, 2:25:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
OTM, did you call Grammie and me drunks?
June 13, 2008, 2:28:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I will cede that point, alone, excepting the analysis of what I intended by "worthy of discussion," with apologies, Danny and Vince, and I appreciate you calling this to my attention,
by phlby
I'm pretty sure it was I that called it to your attention.......
June 13, 2008, 2:52:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
OTM, did you call Grammie and me drunks?
Cecelia | 06.13.08 - 2:33 pm | #
Countless times.
June 13, 2008, 2:54:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Works for me, Johnny! OTM?
June 13, 2008, 3:49:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
Johnny:
Just do whatever he hell you want to. In the end, all you'll do is pander to and encourage Cecelia and Jeff's/Royal King's/Mr. Suck's, et al's tiresome and nasty game. More misrepresentations, more recriminations.
Did I use more than one name at OW? Yes, I did?
Is an IP address an arbiter of this matter? Who are you kidding? Of course, it's not. An IP address is virtually meaningless at this stage of the internet, and you know that better than anyone posting here.
Whatever, I will not respond to Cecelia's and Jeff's/Royal King's/Mr. Suck's/et al's nasty, off-topic and pointless posts anymore. So, by all means, let them have at it to their hearts' content and to yours. They don't warrant the unplesantness inflicted on me and other posters, whereas you do warrant the respect not to pollute your site. I'll do it no further, and will refrain from responding to them in kind or tangentially, again. Too good a site for that ever-growing mound of stale crap.
June 13, 2008, 3:56:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Oh, the question mark after "Yes, I did" is cute, OTM.
And having the sort of insults leveled at me and others (Grammie seemed to particularly inspire you) is not stale yet in my mind. Despite your sounding like a circus barker as you attempt to play upon the good natures of people who are honest and eons less cynical than you.
No, one goes in for "flirty seduction" like you.
You're a liar.
June 13, 2008, 4:19:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Is an IP address an arbiter of this matter? Who are you kidding? Of course, it's not. An IP address is virtually meaningless at this stage of the internet, and you know that better than anyone posting here.
On the Mark | 06.13.08 - 4:01 pm | #
Actually, at this stage of the internet an IP address means more than ever. Back in dial-up days your WAN IP would change each time you connected. Now, your IP only changes every few weeks/months or if you lose power for an extended period, and even then it will be in the same IP subnet as it previously was.
Just a correction...
June 13, 2008, 9:06:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"Is an IP address an arbiter of this matter? Who are you kidding? Of course, it's not."
We know that, nvh.
June 13, 2008, 11:12:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Let me be very clear, and I beg Johnny's indulgence to clear the slander you have engaged in, yet again:
by otm
Johnny:
Just do whatever he hell you want to.
by otm
Be careful what you wish for.....
June 13, 2008, 11:17:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
OS, your 11:17 is only true if the user is familiar with anonymising proxies. Which, by OTM's apparent ignorance (not stupidity, not an insult) of TCP/IP, is not possible for him.
June 14, 2008, 12:12:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Since the topic is front and center on this thread let me state unequivocally that Cecelia is absolutely right about OTM.
OTM was Clucker, Kurt Kissel, Mrs Adrian R Philby, Rudy Ramirez, A N O N Y M O U S and others at OW.
Bob Cox said he used multiple IP/ISP (unsure of the precise terminology) for his various aliases.
Bob Cox has deleted about 10,000 comments from him at OW.
He was unspeakably rude, crude and vilely insulting to we three ladies, the only ladies commenting at OW, day in and day out.
He was unspeakably rude, crude and vilely (bestiality anyone?) insulting to OS day in and day out.
He was just as oily unctious self righteous at OW as he is here at J$P while constantly accusing others of being racist, homophobic, xenophobic and sexist just as he is here.
If, as my mama did, live to be a hundred I would not trust On the Clucker as far as I could throw she/he/it.
June 14, 2008, 12:35:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"OS, your 11:17 is only true if the user is familiar with anonymising proxies. Which, by OTM's apparent ignorance (not stupidity, not an insult) of TCP/IP, is not possible for him.
Fox Fan | 06.14.08 - 12:17 am | # "
FF, I am technologically backwards.
What does this generally mean and how would you know if it applied to OTM or not.
Thanks.
June 14, 2008, 12:40:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Thanks for saying what needed to be said, Grammie. I have said the same thing here, in fewer words and it has been shrugged off and even questioned. Definately not admitted! It may be off topic and irrelevant to some, but, it goes to character.
June 14, 2008, 1:05:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I have a quick question.
Indeed I do remember the conversation at OW that you participated in after the Vitter scandal, OTM.
I remember your saying that Mrs. Vitter should have worn a suit and slingback pumps instead of her mild cleavage revealing leopard print blouse.
I remember your conversation that Republicans politicians seemed to be attracted to the Party as a reaction against the fact that they are people who are predisposed to sexual kinks.
You did not use OTM at OW. Under what name there did you post?
June 14, 2008, 4:03:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
What does this generally mean and how would you know if it applied to OTM or not.
Thanks.
Grammie | 06.14.08 - 12:45 am | #
Every connection point on the internet is assigned a number. It's how the computers find one another. For home user, the cable modem is assigned a public IP address by your ISP
The IP Address is "leased" to your modem for a certain time period. When this time period is up, the modem asks your ISP for a new lease and it usually gets the same address again, although it doesn't have to. it can sometimes get a new IP address.
So because of this, it not always the case that multiple visits to a website from the same IP means that its the same person doing all the visits. It depends on the ISP and their IP assignment behavior.
Also some ISPs take the user's web request and instead of just passing the message onto the internet sometimes the ISP will take your message and it will transmit a new identical message to the internet using the ISP's address as the identifier.. the ISP is sending the message as a proxy for you.
In that case, all traffic from all users in that ISP all show coming from the ISP iteself and its impossible to tell what indidivuals are behind what message. This is how AOL works.
Then there are websites taht you can go to that you can pass it the website you want to go to , and that website will send the message on your behalf as a proxy.. this means the website will send its IP address to the web server and no one will know the message was really from you.
June 14, 2008, 4:18:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Thanks, Vince, especially b/c I think I even understand it a bit.
June 14, 2008, 4:31:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply
