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MSNBC's $10K "beauty shot".
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Harrigan in Gori: a bad feeling.
Roger Friedman raises Isaac Hayes questions.
MSNBC sells ads to...MSNBC! The place for ping-pong?
Chickaboomer: Fox and hounds [updated with photo!].
David Gregory vs Jon Stewart.
Howard Kurtz: Cablers handling of the Edwards affair is "touchy".
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Mark
Nice to get Carlson's and Doocy's informed input on the Edward's matter this morning. The story, breaking as it did on Friday after the two had scoured off their make-up and driven away in their clown cars, deprived them of an opportunity to roll around in the considerable muck Edwards left behind, so it wouldn't be fair to deprive them of this nostalgie de la boue, but hopefully tomorrow they can return to their keen coverage of hard news.
August 11, 2008, 8:33:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
You interest in "hard news" is inspiring Mark, and it's nice to know too that at particular times, you do have your moments of solidarity with the news choices of FNC and other cable outlets.
For example, most of us here remember your lengthy OW ponderings on the attire of Sen Vitter's wife and your long-winded theses on the significance of Sen. Craig's scandalous behavior as regards the Republican heart.
Human nature being what it is, I'm sure it's a mere matter of days until you are again in synch with the import and the significance of some peccadillo playing out in the daily cable news cycle.
However, as you can tell by the vast interest displayed here in offering up similar analysis on Edwards as the aforementioned kind you issued on OW, you might find yourself more compatible with cable news programming than anyone else here.
August 11, 2008, 10:04:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Edwards is fair game, Cecelia.
The difference between the inexcusably philandering and betraying Edwards (saving ample room for his sanctimony and ego) and the whore-monger Vitter et ux (her trashy attire included) and between Edwards and Craig (wide stance duly noted) is the busy-ness of the news cycle. That sometimes happens. Somehow, the outbreak of a new war in a volatile, strategic part of the world trumps yet another sleazy domestice political sex scandal.
I see another difference between Edwards and Craig, perhaps unique to me or to men of my age. Cheating on one's spouse and children is never, never acceptable. Clinton and Edwards have miserably failed in that regard as much as McCain and Vitter, by way of example, have. Adding the airport men's room business into the equation so disgusts me that I know my reaction to Craig is harsher than it ought to be. In some sense, philandering is philandering whether the object be female, male or porcine.
I cut Edwards no slack. In fact, I judge him more harshly than McCain and Vitter, simply because I held him to a higher standard.
My complaint goes not to the story, but to the coverage it was given at a time when far bigger issues were on our plates.
August 11, 2008, 10:49:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Forgive me, but I am getting tired of Mark and his long-winded, anti-Fox, anti-this-site comments. I've been nice enough for so long, but I've had it.
And now, I have no idea what to say regarding cable news.
August 11, 2008, 12:43:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
I popped home at 11:00/CDST and was doing a bit of surfing back and forth among local broadcast (a possibility of rain), CNN and FNC. FNC was doing a most admirable job on the Georgian story now. I think the slow start must have been related to the normal weekend let down in talent. It wasn't by accident the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor on a Sunday.
BTW, Mike, sorry to hear that you find my criticisms objectionable. With the exception of Doocy and Hannity, I try to be constructive, but I no doubt fail from time-to-time. No apology for the length, however. I have never been the gossipy hit-and-run sort.
August 11, 2008, 12:54:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
It is interesting that Mark is not willing to give McCain any kind of pass because (1) his indiscretions happened a long time ago (he's been faithful since) (2) he had undergone extreme psychological and emotional stress (as well as prolonged separation from his wife) in Hanoi Hilton.
The fact that Edwards cheated on his wife at a time when she is dying and really needed him also does not enter into Mark's calculus.
August 11, 2008, 1:03:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Let's not get diverted into a discussion of pecadillos rather than the coverage of said pecadillos. It's a slippery slope.
August 11, 2008, 1:06:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Great article about Isaac Hayes, some info there I had never heard before.
Sorry to go off topic, but I have to mention one of Haye's greatest performances - as Gandalf "Gandy" Fitch in a few eps of The Rockford Files. I still chuckle to myself thinking of him referring to Rockford as "Rockfish".
August 11, 2008, 3:25:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Haggis Is Back
August 11, 2008, 4:00:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
What's this avatar thing that appears with every post now?....It makes me look as if I'm endorsing FNC.
J$ are there any anti-FNC ones available?
August 11, 2008, 4:14:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Welcome back, Haggis Farmer. I have missed your wit, your creativity ....
August 11, 2008, 4:25:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cornycob
I must applaud FNC for there coverage of the Georgia/Russia deal. Zalmay Khalilzad wason Studio B, plus Amy Kellogg and Steve Harrigan are in the area. It is a bummer that FNC's Moscow guy is in Bejing.
August 11, 2008, 4:27:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Time for me to go into hiding again. You win, newsdogs. You and your cyber-terrorist operation have defeated me. Good job.
August 11, 2008, 4:34:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Steve Harrigan is actually quite good, isn't he?
August 11, 2008, 4:48:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Mark | 08.11.08 - 4:30 pm |
Thanks Mark....I've been keeping up with your most excellent posts during my exile
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I caught a bit of Cavuto's business programme on Saturday.
Cavuto & some guests were trying to say:
That the hospitals involved in ripping off the US taxpayer...By taking in homeless folk and billing the Government for non existent care...A crime....This somehow showed that some short of national healthcare system wouldn't work and healthcare better stay in private hands....I'm glad to report that at least a couple of the panellists disagreed with this nonsense.
I'm waiting for Cavuto/guests to call for the disbandment of the US army forthwith...Fraud also happens there....Also libraries better go while we're about it.
Another segment used to have a cheap shot at Obama.
August 11, 2008, 4:51:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
The Messnbc friday #'s show a continued slide. Olympic coverage will muddy water, but there can be no doubt now that their prime time cast is tanking. Biggest tanker none other than KO.
August 11, 2008, 5:02:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
To what extent, if any, do you attribute the fall to liberals vacationing in the Cap d'Antibes or Bellagio during these Dog Days and being unable to pick up MSNBC?
August 11, 2008, 5:06:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> I'm glad to report that at least a couple of the panellists disagreed with this nonsense.
There are always panelists who disagree with each other. Because the program gives both sides. Nothing unusual there.
August 11, 2008, 5:07:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
david smawley | 08.11.08 - 5:07 pm |
DS...O'Reilly is actually the tanker here if you look at the numbers....Keiths ratings went up from Thursday nights.
August 11, 2008, 5:09:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Gotcha again! I'm still here.
The ratings just get better and better for my psyche. What goes around comes around, Keithy. And because I said that, he'll probably bounce back tonight. Sorry, I'm a pessimist.
August 11, 2008, 5:10:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.11.08 - 5:12 pm |
They had no choice but to disagree...The others were putting forward such a ludicrous argument.
Sorry I don't know why my posts keep appearing twice....HaloScan must think there worth the 2nd post
August 11, 2008, 5:14:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> O'Reilly is actually the tanker here if you look at the numbers.
Not when you consider he wasn't on Friday. Except for a segment with Laura Ingraham, the entire show was a rerun from a few weeks ago. Not bad numbers for a rerun.
August 11, 2008, 5:19:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.11.08 - 5:24 pm |
J$...You have to remember....The ratings don't make a distinction between rerun/new shows....Why can't O'reilly "do it live"....The ratings for the Factor on Friday tanked and Keith was up.
August 11, 2008, 5:26:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Keith was down from the previous Friday, and O'Reilly was up. But enough of this game. If you want to pretend O'Reilly tanked then let it be as you say. Whatever floats your haggis.
August 11, 2008, 5:34:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Had to laugh last night during the men's 4x100m freestyle (thanks NBC for getting finals moved...Not...Now on here at 3am :-: ) I'll be upfront and say I've got money on Phelps wining 8 golds...But the French so nearly put a spanner in the works....I was imagining another O'reilly French boycott starting up forthwith if they had done so. :lol:
August 11, 2008, 5:52:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I can't believe I have to explain this, but this is not a place to chat about the Olympics.
August 11, 2008, 5:54:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
The ratings don't make a distinction between rerun/new shows....
by purple
Really?
August 11, 2008, 5:54:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Olby Sucks | 08.11.08 - 5:59 pm |
OS...I wrote that....Why are you saying Purple did?
August 11, 2008, 6:20:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Fred Phelps (R - USA) has won his 3rd Gold Medal and is on track to win 37 more.
Fox News: Your Sports experts.
Escape Goat - Olympic Athlete | 08.11.08 - 12:04 am | #
Hmm. Similarities?
August 11, 2008, 6:22:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Olby Sucks | 08.11.08 - 6:27 pm |
OS...Enough of your nonsense...J$ has said...NO Olympic talk...Make your mind up...1 minute you say I'm Purple...Next minute you say I'm Escape Goat....I'm lost.
August 11, 2008, 6:30:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
OS/HF, leave me out of it.
August 11, 2008, 6:55:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
It's still early in the evening here, HF, and merely afternoon in Montana where OS is. You'll be many, many more people before the sun sets over Butte. My advice is just revel in the humor of it all. The truth makes no difference in such matters.
August 11, 2008, 7:02:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
F&F this morning were happy to announce that the giant firework footprints in the opening ceremony were faked....I'm assuming their source was The Telegraph report 10 Aug 2008...But they didn't tell you the the trick was 1st revealed in the Beijing Times.
August 11, 2008, 7:22:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Sorry HF, KO tanked last Wed/Thur & Fri (against a Factor rerun) spin it any way you want but your boy is going down. I suggest Maddow be sent in after the Olympics are over. Many liberal's have grown tired of his act and I suspect executives at NBC and MESSNBC would not be all that upset to rid the network of Edward R. OlberMurrow. He is tolerable with competitive #'s, in 10th place in cable prime time as he was on the above mentioned days he is expendable.
August 11, 2008, 7:45:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
F&F this morning were happy to announce that the giant firework footprints in the opening ceremony were faked....I'm assuming their source was The Telegraph report 10 Aug 2008...But they didn't tell you the the trick was 1st revealed in the Beijing Times.
HaggisFarmer | 08.11.08 - 7:27 pm | #
Four days away and here's the best he can do...
August 11, 2008, 7:48:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Next minute you say I'm Escape Goat....I'm lost.
HaggisFarmer | 08.11.08 - 6:35 pm | #
I said that? Where?
August 11, 2008, 7:51:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
KO tanked last Wed/Thur
david smawley | 08.11.08 - 7:50 pm |
You are correct...But his numbers were up on Friday compared to the previous 2 days....O'reilly was well down compared to those days(Wed/Thur)....As I said already: "ratings don't make a distinction between rerun/new shows"
Cecelia | 08.11.08 - 7:53 pm |
No...just pointing out small facts over looked by the Friends...That's all.
August 11, 2008, 8:05:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
HF, we are sawing sawdust here, we'll see how things shake out after the Olympics. I am comfortable with the FoxNews lineup and when the conventions conclude it would not surprise me to see MSNBC shuffle the deck. Let's compare notes then.
August 11, 2008, 8:14:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
I love it when O'Reilly reruns smoke olbermann newbies. Very telling!
August 11, 2008, 8:15:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
haggis is loaded, what do expect, smawley?
August 11, 2008, 8:17:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Had Laura been on for the full hour on Friday night the #'s for KO would have been even worse.
August 11, 2008, 8:21:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Olby Sucks | 08.11.08 - 8:22 pm |
Haven't touched a drop....I've got milking in a few hours.
August 11, 2008, 8:21:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
david smawley | 08.11.08 - 8:26 pm |
Or you could come at it the other way...Folks switching to Keith out of disbelief at how biased Laura is...Hence Keith has the better numbers.
August 11, 2008, 8:26:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Folks know who is biased HF, don't try that 2 bit debate trick on me. There is no one on TV more biased than Keith Olbermann, Check Mate!
August 11, 2008, 8:30:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
HaggisFarmer | 08.11.08 - 7:27 pm | #
The cinematic footprints were outed 8/8/08 during the NBC delayed broadcast of the opening ceremony.
As was dutifully reported by (On Topic-cable news) F&F.
August 11, 2008, 8:34:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Haggis, welcome back!
I hardly think that many people switch from Laura to Keith out of disbelief of how biased the host is. Keith is as far left as Laura is right, if not moreso.
August 11, 2008, 8:35:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Hence Keith has the better numbers.
HaggisFarmer | 08.11.08 - 8:31 pm | #
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Says who?
August 11, 2008, 8:41:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Fox Fan | 08.11.08 - 8:40 pm |
Thanks FF...A nice welcome back makes a change....Unlike Mike C who instantly insinuated I was a "cyber-terrorist"
We all know The Factor is Right Wing....And Countdown is Left leaning...So what is the problem here.
August 11, 2008, 8:44:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Haloscan is messing........
Fox Fan | 08.11.08 - 8:43 pm |
Same here.
August 11, 2008, 8:45:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
...So what is the problem here.
HaggisFarmer | 08.11.08 - 8:49 pm | #
Hence Keith has the better numbers.
HaggisFarmer | 08.11.08 - 8:31 pm | #
That's the problem. No proof.
August 11, 2008, 8:49:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
vstol | 08.11.08 - 8:39 pm |
"The dupe was revealed by China's Beijing Times"...That straight from FNC's sister skyNews...I would post a link but I'd only get myself in trouble.
August 11, 2008, 8:50:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I think that Bill is very fair and presents the left and right points nearly every time. He does criticize the left more often, and I think it's deserved.
August 11, 2008, 8:51:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> "The dupe was revealed by China's Beijing Times"
Wow. I'd definitely contact Media Matters on this one. Can you imagine anyone discussing this without crediting the Beijing Times?
Sometimes the comments here sound like the land of Oz.
August 11, 2008, 8:54:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Fox Fan | 08.11.08 - 8:56 pm |
We will never agree...I'm polar opposite of what you say...But as least we can agree on what a good beer is.
August 11, 2008, 9:01:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Hence Keith has the better numbers.
HaggisFarmer | 08.11.08 - 8:31 pm | #
:lol:
August 11, 2008, 9:02:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Factor
Poor David Gregory and his useful idiots at Huff n Puff. Your favorite liberal clown doesnt like you. Go on Olbermann's show for your ass kissing session.
August 11, 2008, 9:06:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
That's the problem. No proof.
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Well, come on over here then, OS. I've got a bottle of Jameson's 80 Proof 18 Year Old I've been wanting to open. Bring FF, Johnny and HF and we'll all get drunk and stupid. Nice piece of Stilton and some cream crackers as well.
August 11, 2008, 9:08:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.11.08 - 8:59 pm |
J$, the point isn't about the Beijing Times being credited...The point is the Chinese themselves revealed the story and the Beijing Times reported it...The way F&F reported it sounded like it had been leaked to the press.
August 11, 2008, 9:09:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
8PM - P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The OReilly Factor- 1,780,000 viewers (375,000) (674,000)
CNN Election Center 504,000 viewers (146,000) (228,000)
Countdown w. Olbermann 508,000 viewers (208,000) (271,000)
On the Money (8PM-830PM) a scratch w/ 85,000 viewers (a scratch w/ 20,000) (a scratch w/ 45,000)
High Net Worth (830PM-9PM)-a scratch w/ 110,000 viewers (a scratch w/ 45,000) (53,000)
Nancy Grace 737,000 viewers (272,000) (448,000)
Am I missing something, haggy?
August 11, 2008, 9:12:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
To be fair, Mark and Haggis, OS is trying to get Haggis to prove his 8:31 that says Keith gets better numbers. This was not true in the numbers posted today.
By the way, you all might be interested in what I commented at Chickaboomer's Fox and Hounds link. :lol:
August 11, 2008, 9:16:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Very good, F/F.
August 11, 2008, 9:20:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Here goes...We all agree Keith had bad numbers Wed/Thur...OK...On Friday Keith's numbers went up...OK...The Factor lost a lot of viewers Friday...Just maybe some of those viewers turned over to Keith because they don't like Laura...It is possible.
August 11, 2008, 9:21:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Well, F/F, I'll leave the numbers game to OS and HF. On my list of priorities that is well below cleaning out the bathroom sink traps and changing the water filter in the refrigerator. Above, however, changing the cat box liner.
August 11, 2008, 9:26:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
maybe some of those viewers turned over to Keith because they don't like Laura...It is possible.
HaggisFarmer | 08.11.08 - 9:26 pm | #
That's howyou defend a lie? With another?
August 11, 2008, 9:27:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
OK, Keith did get better numbers than his previous two days but his gains on BOR were insignificant. Related to himself, he did get "better numbers". His numbers were still not good vs BOR's.
Mark, I'd take you up on that Jameson's and chat!
August 11, 2008, 9:27:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Countdown w. Olbermann 508,000 viewers
What happened to "well over a million every night" haggy?
August 11, 2008, 9:29:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
OS, take a breath...Have a few Cheetos...A swig of coke...And calm down.
August 11, 2008, 9:33:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
cleaning out the bathroom sink traps
Mark | 08.11.08 - 9:31 pm |
Mark, couldn't agree more...And I'm sure J$ would also agree.
August 11, 2008, 9:41:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I got an honorable mention at Chickaboomer! 8)
August 11, 2008, 10:10:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
And calm down.
HaggisFarmer | 08.11.08 - 9:38 pm | #
Calm, cool and collected, haggy. You're the one spinning out of control.
August 11, 2008, 10:50:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Note to self.....remember this next time patsy is here sreaming that olbermann gained a viewer:
cleaning out the bathroom sink traps
Mark | 08.11.08 - 9:31 pm |
Mark, couldn't agree more...And I'm sure J$ would also agree.
HaggisFarmer | 08.11.08 - 9:46 pm | #
August 11, 2008, 10:55:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
HaggisFarmer | 08.11.08 - 7:27 pm |
HaggisFarmer | 08.11.08 - 9:14 pm |
Why is it HF, that when someone points out a factual error, as well as an incorrect assumption, in one of your posts, you ignore your mistake and respond with meaningless minutiae (reeeeedundant), and when that is pooh-poohed, you duck and cover by reiterating your "point" like we're all too stupid to have gotten it in the first place?
August 11, 2008, 10:56:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
vstol, here's the olbyloon debating formula:
Start wit a lie, follow with a back pedal and finish with a diversion.
L=bp+d.
August 11, 2008, 11:06:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
I suppose you realize your equation doesn't reflect the word problem, as you presented it.
August 11, 2008, 11:12:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
I got an honorable mention at Chickaboomer!
Fox Fan | 08.11.08 - 10:15 pm | #
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Congratulations.
August 11, 2008, 11:14:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
I suppose you realize your equation doesn't reflect the word problem, as you presented it.
Mark | 08.11.08 - 11:17 pm | #
Correct me, teach. How about d+bp=L. Better? In all seriousness, it was an off the cuff ridicule of olbyloon debating tactics. You helped me in formulating the formula. Remember OW?
August 11, 2008, 11:49:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
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