3/3/09 1:21 PM

Weekend Links & Open Thread

Weekend cable news links [updated through the weekend]:

Greta plans revenge on O'Reilly.

Cablers should apologize to Gary Condit?

Stimulus coverage not very stimulating?

Surprise! MSNBC show to air from White House.

Geraldo threatened with arrest!

Twitter madness spreads.

CNN skewed Clinton quote?

Goldberg on Reliable Sources.

Video: Jittery Gretchen crawls under the couch.

Julie banned from Red Eye!?

Sunday talkers: HuffPo recap.

A war on cable news?

Twitter's fake Hannity.

Gergen in Scottsdale.

Larry's largesse.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in this weekend's open thread. Standard rules apply.




johnny dollar
FYI, our work on HuffPoGate (I was going to call it ScrotumGate but that's too tacky!) got us a lot of attention on Friday. We logged over 40,000 visits, a new J$P record. At one point we had over 1,500 people online simultaneously.
 
In addition to our original article, check out yesterday's links post for a ton of blog reactions to our expose, our post of the audio from Gibson's show reacting to the mess, and the B-Cast show where they interview some of the major players, including the mysterious man who created the doctored video.
 
Thanks to all for reading J$P and giving us such a great day yesterday!
February 21, 2009, 1:16:28 AM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
The Kos article has been updated, with a correction, an admission that Gibson is owed an apology (but none is offered) and a slam, but the headline remains the same:
 
"FOX News/John Gibson suggests Eric Holder is a monkey (really!)"
 
The vacant apology appears to have come straight from the course on 'How to Admit a Wrong,' at the Olbermann School of Journalistic Sleaze:
 
by David J  
Thu Feb 19, 2009 at 04:33:39 PM PST
UPDATE: Since this diary was originally published, it's come out that the video clip I linked to below was a hoax, and that John Gibson did not make the comments suggested in the clip. So, John, I owe you an apology. I still don't really like you, or your network, but you didn't make the comments as they were portrayed.
 
I think David J STILL owes Gibson an apology, in addition to finding a backbone.
 
J$,
 
It was thoughtful of you to respond to the closing plea of David J's original post,
 
"Please tell me there's an alternate explanation that my overly sensitive liberal brain is not grasping. Please."
 
He asks, you provide.
February 21, 2009, 2:10:02 AM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Well this isn't a hoax....Hannity admitting openly on TV last night that he watches pirated DVDs....These questions need asking....What sort of folk is Hannity mixing with? + Will there be any legal action taken by the MPAA over this clear breach of the law?
 
Congratulations on your good day yesterday.....And thanks for telling everyone I tried to post the Huffpost article.  I do have a good defence...I was rushing to work and didn't have time to check all the facts.  
But lets remember the Right Wing were taken in by Ashley Todd (McCain campaign volunteer) and her hoax beating....And then she tried to blame it on a Obama supporter....So it happens to everyone now and then.
February 21, 2009, 11:06:49 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Haggis, with that logic, any news organization that reported (or anyone who merely believed) Susan Smith's story to the police that her children had been abducted and killed by a black male, is as guilty of negligence as a media outlet not verifying the information that they print.
 
That's crap.
February 21, 2009, 11:49:10 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
."I was rushing to work and didn't have time to check all the facts."
 
Are you keef olbermahn?
February 21, 2009, 12:29:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
The Baltimore NBC affiliate reporter who concocted the doctored video said he did it because he thought it was funny and he wanted to share it with a few friends. He was almost whining when he said he didn't intend for it to "become what it had become."
 
That's the one thing he said that I am certain is sincere.
 
At no time did I hear him accept responsibility for any damage caused. Nor did I hear anything remotely resembling an apology to Gibson.
Cecelia used the exact words, "fast and loose with the truth," that came to my mind regarding his claims that he "disclosed that he (Gibson) had not actually said it that way" and he "put the annotation the minute it went up."
Straight from a course on 'How to CYA' at the Olbermann School of Journalistic Sleaze.
 
The annotaion was not on the video the first few of times I watched it.
 
The justifications for their rush to judgment being tossed out by the Bright Blueblog Smear machine proves, beyond a reasonable doubt, their true motivations; i.e., absolutely anything that can be used to label FOX News and their personnel as racist is justified. The motto, "The ends justify the means" describes perfectly the latest example of BBS (Blue Blog Smears or Blueblog BS).
February 21, 2009, 12:40:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Congratulations on your good day yesterday.....And thanks for telling everyone I tried to post the Huffpost article. I do have a good defence...I was rushing to work and didn't have time to check all the facts.
Haggis | 02.21.09 - 11:11 am | #  
 
Haggy - slow down, it seems like you are always rushing to work!
February 21, 2009, 1:03:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


John
Amateurish as hell, especially since the original remark comes just moments earlier in the video.  
 
But if Sanders didn't want this to get out to more than just a few friends, once he saw the way the video was going viral on HuffPo, shouldn't he have at the very least posted something there saying the video was fake, instead of having to be smoked out by the B-cast?
February 21, 2009, 2:17:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Cecelia | 02.21.09 - 11:54 am |
 
I was simply pointing out that Drudge jumped...before checking if the story was a hoax or not...With his bright red print. Then the Right blogs uncritically ran with it....until the errors of their ways was pointed out.
February 21, 2009, 6:41:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Well this isn't a hoax....Hannity admitting openly on TV last night that he watches pirated DVDs....These questions need asking....What sort of folk is Hannity mixing with? + Will there be any legal action taken by the MPAA over this clear breach of the law?
 
Haggis | 02.21.09 - 11:11 am | #  
 
Haggis - if you are going to preach the law, you ought to learn the law. Watching pirated DVDs is not a crime. Selling them is, so unless you have proof that Hannity did that, perhaps you should lower your volume a tad bit.
February 21, 2009, 7:19:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Ashley | 02.21.09 - 7:24 pm |
 
Ashley....I'm turning the tables on you....You show proof he didn't buy the DVD....Or are FNC employees trading them openly? Twentieth Century may even lodge an investigation.
February 21, 2009, 7:37:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Ashley I thought made it clear: the crime is selling a pirated (actually bootleg) DVD, not in watching it. As for proof he didn't buy the DVD? He said so. That's just as much proof as you produced that he had it in the first place.
 
Q.E.D.
February 21, 2009, 8:03:11 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
20th Century...hence News Corp.... are fighting tooth and nail to stop piracy...So it's simply not good form for one of their most prominent employees to openly say (on air) that he uses pirated DVDs.  
 
just imagine the outrage if Keith had admitted to such a skinflint thing.
February 21, 2009, 8:18:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Ashley....I'm turning the tables on you....You show proof he didn't buy the DVD....Or are FNC employees trading them openly? Twentieth Century may even lodge an investigation.
Haggis | 02.21.09 - 7:42 pm | #  
 
Haggis - your allegation, your responsibility to prove it. My only job is to prove you wrong; a job I do very well by the way.
 
BTW - you wrote "Or are FNC employees trading them openly?"
 
May I remind you Haggy that you recently said you dealt with facts, not speculation. Do you have any facts about this trading, or are you speculating?
February 21, 2009, 8:51:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Do you have any facts about this trading, or are you speculating?
Ashley | 02.21.09 - 8:56 pm |
 
I'm simply asked a question....are they?
Since johnny has become FNC #1 guy...I thought some FNC insider may wish to comment.
 
Here's another angle....Is Hannity actually downloading the movies himself? Is he doing this with FNC bandwidth?  
This could be a big story....Let' hope Keith has all bases covered on this little gem.
February 21, 2009, 9:09:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
What the frack are you talking about? Somebody gave Hannity a 'bootleg' copy of a movie (probably an Oscar screener). What does that have to do with downloading and bandwidth?
 
Haggis, seek professional help.
February 21, 2009, 9:28:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
(probably an Oscar screener)
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.21.09 - 9:33 pm |
 
This is getting more interesting by the minute ....You say an Oscar screener may now be involved....There was a Oscar screener leaked online....Would I be stretching things to much by saying Hannity may be that leaker? I'm seeing a big story for Keith just bubbling away here.
February 21, 2009, 9:36:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"I deal in facts, not speculation."
 
This is almost worthy of a Moderator's Privilege, but I'm not feelin' it tonight.
February 21, 2009, 9:38:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
"I deal in facts, not speculation."
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.21.09 - 9:43 pm |
 
I'm simply running with Bill's interpretation of that very phrase.
 
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2543
February 21, 2009, 10:16:04 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I make pirated DVDs using cracked versions of pay decryption software for myself. I've also been known to download full DVD torrents from TPB.
 
So sue me!!!
February 21, 2009, 10:24:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Nards
Fox Fan,
 
Following the Pirate Bay trial in Sweden?
I don't agree with what Pirate Bay is doing, making a profitable business out of illegal downloading. These torrent sites make it too easy.
February 21, 2009, 11:33:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I have been closely following the PB trial in Sweden. I think (and hope) TPB will win.  
 
The potentially copyrighted content torrent sites transfer isn't the broader issue. Net neutrality is.
February 22, 2009, 12:09:13 AM EST – Like – Reply


Nards
"Net Neutrality" - i always find that to be a cop-out argument from those who want to continue getting their movies and software for free.
 
I hope all of the founders of Piratebay do two years in jail.
February 22, 2009, 12:38:59 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
OK, interesting topic, but kind of unrelated to cable news.
February 22, 2009, 12:43:33 AM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Sorry, but I never thought freedom on the internet was a cop-out.
February 22, 2009, 12:58:55 AM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
What!? Julie's not funny enough for Red Eye????
 
1. Numerous Red Eye guests aren't particularly that funnt.
 
2. Who cares?
February 22, 2009, 1:12:20 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I'm seeing a big story for Keith just bubbling away here.
Haggis | 02.21.09 - 9:41 pm | #  
 
That's not saying much.
February 22, 2009, 1:44:09 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
just imagine the outrage if Keith had admitted to such a skinflint thing.
Haggis | 02.21.09 - 8:23 pm | #  
 
He's done much worse. The problem is, he's too much of a coward to ever admit it.
 
----------
 
.Let' hope Keith has all bases covered on this little gem.
Haggis | 02.21.09 - 9:14 pm | #
 
I guess there's a first time for everything, huh? You be sure and hold your breath....for this earth shattering news.
February 22, 2009, 1:53:17 AM EST – Like – Reply


Lurker
When was Julie's last appearance on Red Eye?
 
The last appearance I remember was her aweful impersonation of Sarah Palin. That really pissed me off, maybe it pissed Gut off too? Who knows??
 
I know Julie's not a liberal loon, I think I heard her say she's a moderate but WTF was she thinking that night?
February 22, 2009, 8:52:15 AM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Johnny, I submitted a long comment in the wee hours of the morning. At the time I thought you might delete part of it for being over the top. However, I don't see it or even any mention of it?
 
I would have Emailed it to you but I'm still waiting to have one of my boys fix whatever the problem with my Email is.
 
It began with my expressing condolences to all you guys for having one less chance of seeing Julie Banderas!
 
I offered you all this consolation prize:
 
http://www.newshounds.us/2009/02/19/megyn_kelly_has_a_pet_over_peta.php#more
 
Just click on the links in the rant and ENJOY! If that doesn't console any of you at least a bit you are not the red blooded American boys I think you are!
 
As always the flea bitten mangy mongrels did not disappoint. Many of their comments were better suited to a discussion of the top ten porn queens.
 
Just a few:
 
"if Megyns skirts get any more short she will need to get two hairdos
gale giamatti | 02.19.09 - 6:28 am | # "
 
""
 
Just watched the video. Lange is glowing and beautiful. Kelly is a sharp-tongued, pinched-faced, uptight harpy.
 
Kelly: "I am an animal lover"...Oh Megan, you naughty girl, you!
 
Kelly: "I eat meat"... I BET you do!!!
 
;>
 
Pegleg Peggy's Evil Twin | 02.19.09 - 7:43 am | # "-------Could this really be our own self righteous Peg?
 
"the question is whose meat does she eat perhaps Sean Oh wait he probably has nothing to talk about
gale giamatti | 02.19.09 - 8:27 am | # "
 
if Megyns skirts get any more short she will need to get two hairdos
gale giamatti | 02.19.09 - 6:28 am |
 
..if the "carpet matches the curtains"..or if there's "bare floors".."
 
"Sounds like Megyn is frustrated because she isn't getting enough sausage these days ... if you know what I mean.
1-20-2009 | 02.19.09 - 12:17 pm | # "
 
"Megyn "I eat meat" Kelly.
 
Yeah, sure you do.
 
Ask Britt "Bassett Hound" Humes . . .
Writergrl | 02.19.09 - 3:04 pm | # "
 
These people are truly vicious scum. Remember the field day they had with Laura Ingrahm and Republican women and First Ladies "defending" Michele Obama against all those vicious right wing attacks?
February 22, 2009, 12:08:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Dunno what happened to your earlier comment, but I'm glad you reposted it. However, I disagree with you on one point. They are not vicious scum. They aspire to be vicious scum.
February 22, 2009, 12:11:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Gloria Steinberg
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/fire-keith-olbermann
 
Visit, read and write your own comments!
February 22, 2009, 1:35:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


Barbapapa.
Why is the Gibson hoaxer not getting more scrutiny? Everyone seems to be focusing on HP. It's like focusing on the hoaxed investors instead of the hoaxer himself Madoff.
February 22, 2009, 1:53:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


lyons
Is there a more cringe-inducing show than Geraldo's?
The bottom of the barrel(Guests, co-hosts, host.)
February 22, 2009, 2:36:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"And BTW, what's with his site reader counter that claims that over 100 people are on the site???"  
I clicked on to that claudo, it counts how many people have been on in the last 24hrs.
Posted by: john t
 
Man is there anything they won't lie about? Who's here shows the people who are on the site simultaneously at the time the page is loaded--not how many have been on over the past 24 hours. The number goes up, and it goes down, as the website flow does. On Friday it hit over 1500 at one point.
 
The 24-hour graph you get when you click on it is something else entirely, and not the instantaneous reading that the widget itself shows. This is so obvious by checking the whos.among.us site or just by having your eyes open one has to conclude this is another deliberate lie.
February 22, 2009, 3:06:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Gravatar Is there a more cringe-inducing show than Geraldo's?
lyons | 02.22.09 - 2:41 pm | #
 
One immediately springs to mind...Huckabee....That's top notch cringe worthiness.
 
Barbapapa....You make a good point....Didn't the hoaxer work for NBC?...maybe a link back to Keith could be found.
February 22, 2009, 3:09:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
2 Visitors Online
 
Why does haloscan say this?
February 22, 2009, 3:10:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Grammie,
 
That link from NH about the Peta ad was interesting and revealing.
 
It puts all that drama about Marina the linguist into perspective...
February 22, 2009, 3:12:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Why does haloscan say this?"
 
Because there are two visitors on haloscan. Haloscan is separate from the blog. Different server. Most people don't read or post comments so haloscan doesn't see them. They only visit the blog.
 
ETA: Every flashing pin in the map is also someone is online here right now.
February 22, 2009, 3:12:55 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
"Surprise! MSNBC show to air from White House."
 
:lol: Excuse me....Aren't we forgetting the past 8 years and a certain "news" channel.
February 22, 2009, 3:21:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Thanks Cecelia. Didn't you just love that metallic grey dress!!! Of course Megyn's beauty and fabulous figure show it off to its absolute best.
 
Both the post and some of the most outrageous comments were all by women. I swear I could almost hear the snarling and spitting, feel the claws ripping and see the green eyes of jealousy from those catty witches.
 
I do think they unintentionally put themselves forward as the poster girls for Rush Limbaugh"s Twentyfourth Undeniable Truth of Life:
 
24. Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access to the mainstream of society.
February 22, 2009, 3:52:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
johnt, while you're here fiddling @ Johnny's Place your Kennel is burning down:
 
" Hmmmmm!!!!!
 
What about the NYP editor taking personal responsibility for the assassination cartoon?
Dave | 02.22.09 - 3:36 pm | #
 
2 Visitors Online"
February 22, 2009, 4:12:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Grammie,
 
It's interesting that Mika on Morning Joe dresses in flattering clothes that show her shape (with cleavage hitting V-necks that look flattering on just about every woman).  
 
Yet you never hear this sort of locker-room chat about her.
 
It's part of the FNC-grudge mentality.  
 
It's irrational and obsessive and a bit scary.
February 22, 2009, 4:55:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Cecelia | 02.22.09 - 5:00 pm |
 
Three guesses why Hemmer & Kelly don't sit behind a desk. If your thinking along the same lines as me....You'll now be thinking....The news room really isn't the place for this....It simply makes the wading through RNC talking points much the harder.
February 22, 2009, 5:37:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


ZoneDaiatlas
Haggis? Do you have any prrof that Fox News has broadcast from the White House last 8 years? And don't sit there and tell me they get their talking points from the White House and the RNC, because that is all bull with no facts to back it up...
February 22, 2009, 6:07:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
ZoneDaiatlas | 02.22.09 - 6:12 pm  
 
Well this isn't about Fox reporting from the White House. But you will see a couple Fox people in the photo and mentioned in the article.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/17/us/politics/17radio.html?ex=1318737600&en=a961ba66ef087429&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
 
--
February 22, 2009, 7:09:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
ZoneDaiatlas | 02.22.09 - 6:12 pm |
 
Karl Rove and Chris Wallace going off on a private hunting trip....just doesn't feel right....somehow
February 22, 2009, 8:50:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
ell me they get their talking points from the White House and the RNC
ZoneDaiatlas | 02.22.09 - 6:12 pm |  
 
Jon Scott blatantly used RNC talking point in a story....very recently....even down to the same typo being present.
February 22, 2009, 8:54:59 PM EST – Like – Reply


ZoneDaiatlas
So according to you that's proof that Fox News gets their talking points from the RNC and the Bush White House? OK? So what about CNN during the Clinton years? Were they get their talking points from the DNC and Clinton White House if we use your same method as proof?
February 22, 2009, 9:27:43 PM EST – Like – Reply