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Haggis
Just clicked on the "Michelle and Larry" link.....Kaspersky went into overdrive....saying it had detected:- Trojan-Clicker.JS.Iframe.ea
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February 8, 2010, 12:36:25 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Changed the link.
February 8, 2010, 12:44:23 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
Cheers Johnny...No problem now.
February 8, 2010, 3:04:22 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
Good article - MSNBC AWOL. Goes to show that Olbermann, Maddow, Schultz and Matthews all have backbones made of balsa wood.
February 8, 2010, 1:05:34 PM EST – Like – Reply
Tony
Is Olbermann going to call on the president of Comcast to "RESIGN SIR"!
February 8, 2010, 1:16:35 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
The Friends were hysterical this morning...they were 100% behind Palin using cheat notes.....Carlson said she did it deliberately to show she didn't need a teleprompter LMAO....Obviously Carlson didn't notice that Palin was reading her speech from a written copy on the lectern....hence the reason her head was constantly looking down at said speech.....So she may as well have used a teleprompter. Doocy then chimed in saying he wrote notes on his palms all the time...so that made everything OK. Brian was just Brian and made some attempt at a joke.
Can't wait to hear what Keith has to say about this on Countdown tonight. But I'm really looking forward to seeing the Jon Stewart take down...that will be priceless.
February 8, 2010, 3:47:30 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
Keith will appreciate your viewing, as it will double his ratings.
February 8, 2010, 3:50:22 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
Wrong again Ashley....A UK citizen doesn't count when it comes to US ratings....Your probably just up...so I'll take that into account for your factual error.
February 8, 2010, 3:56:08 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
Wrong again Ashley....A UK citizen doesn't count when it comes to US ratings....Your probably just up...so I'll take that into account for your factual error.
I understand that Haggis, but as you have claimed in the past to be from Alabama, Australia, and Wales, the jury is still out if you are actually from Scotland.
Regardless, Olby would appreciate your viewership. Another one would mean alot to the guy.
February 8, 2010, 4:03:34 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
They were 100% behind it? What did Kilmeade say about it? Give us a quote of his being 100% behind it.
February 8, 2010, 3:52:41 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
He twittered on about having someone come on stage and hand her a card with her notes when she needed them....that would have probably looked even worse. He was hardly critical...But I'll lower it to 98%.
February 8, 2010, 4:06:29 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
So you're saying Kilmeade was not critical. Correct?
February 8, 2010, 4:08:28 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
On another point entirely...not concerning the palmpilot...Brian was critical about how disrespectful palin was of the President...I did agree with him on that point.
Johnny my original post was about the cheat notes and nothing else....It wasn't about Brian disagreeing with palin's lack of respect....So please don't start playing games on that front.
February 8, 2010, 4:21:19 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
So then you are saying Kilmeade was not critical of the hand notes. Correct?
February 8, 2010, 4:23:42 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
I'll refer you back to my 21:06:29 post for my answer.
February 8, 2010, 4:29:43 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
How are they "cheat notes" as she wasn't taking a test?
They are no more cheat notes than someone reviewing potential talking points from Media Matters for something to talk about over ath J$P.
February 8, 2010, 4:31:00 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
OK...Lets call them little helper notes....it's just amusing that she can't seem to remember what she's standing for without helper notes.
@Johnny....don't know if it's just me...but this thing is taking an eternity to post stuff today
February 8, 2010, 4:42:50 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Only for you. It senses hostility and is very wary to open the door.
February 8, 2010, 4:44:20 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
It senses hostility and is very wary to open the door.
or maybe the data stream has much further to go due to the wide array of IP proxies and anonymizers it must pass through.
February 8, 2010, 4:53:23 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
Hostility!!...when have I ever been hostile...I'm nothing but a prefect Gent. I think you've installed the Haggis delay mechanism....Originally pioneered on a site I can't remember the name of...but was run by someone called Ian...if my memory serves me correctly.
February 8, 2010, 4:55:19 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
Haggis - Hostility!!...when have I ever been hostile...I'm nothing but a prefect Gent.
Let's take a look. As Alabama Dem who denied any knowledge of Haggis, you were a gentleman.
As Chippy Minton who first denied any knowledge of Haggis, you were a gentleman.
As Chippy Minton who ultimately revealed knowledge of Haggis, you were a gentleman.
As Nibbles who appeared in time to defend Haggis, you were a gentleman.
As Bungling Bob, you were a gentleman.
As Stan who appeared in time to defend Haggis, , you were a gentleman.
As Spider, you were a gentleman.
Haggy, you've been a swell bunch of guys!
February 8, 2010, 5:10:17 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
"Haggy, you've been a swell bunch of guys!"
Well thanks ashley....never a hint of hostility fromany of them...I think you'd agreee.
just a side note....I've never been here and called myself "spider".....That's just not a name I'd use.
February 8, 2010, 5:16:25 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
I disagree but I understand why you might be confused. Spider was used just once or twice, and his writing had all the Haggy characteristics.
February 8, 2010, 5:27:32 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
By the way Haggis, if she was reading from paper, what difference does it make that she has a few words written on her hands?
February 8, 2010, 3:54:23 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
Ashley you don't seem to get it....There she was criticising the president for using a teleprompter...but she was reading her speech written on paper....Ever so slightly hypocritical don't you think?
February 8, 2010, 4:36:26 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
Excuse me, but you have been writing about what was on her hands since yesterday. Did you forget this already? Was her script on paper? Her speech? How do you know this? Maybe it was just notes. What is your proof?
February 8, 2010, 4:46:43 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
Just watch her head....it's constantly in a downward potion looking at her speech....Come on Ashley please use your mice pies.
February 8, 2010, 5:06:27 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
Constantly? Not by a mile. More poor analysis on your part.
February 8, 2010, 5:14:31 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
What's the difference between writing a reminder on your hand from coming out with reminders on index cards (a practice that is so common among speakers and preachers that it's virtually never remarked upon)?
February 8, 2010, 6:31:17 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
Great to see that Red Eye is receiving such excellent ratings. It's a good show and deserves the accolades.
More good news for Fox.
February 8, 2010, 3:55:43 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
Would the Palin Haters be or not be critical if she went to an elementary school class bringing this kind of set-up?
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February 8, 2010, 4:51:38 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
What does whether or not Palin uses notes in her hand or a teleprompter or notes on her podium when she gives a political speech have to do with cable news? I could mention something about Obama's mispronouncing corpsman, but that would out of order as well. Perhaps the computer should have done more than delay Haggis' comments . . . it should have eliminated them altoghether. . . because he was not obeying the rules.
February 8, 2010, 5:10:00 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
Danny....my original post was about F&F.....In all the other posts I've simply been answering question asked by J$ & Ashley....Please be fair and balanced in your criticisms.
February 8, 2010, 5:26:09 PM EST – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I'm with IMR and Danny on this one, Haggis. Palin's palm notes are a nonstory in a day when Murtha (D) will likely be replaced by Anyone (R) just like Kennedy was.
February 8, 2010, 6:03:10 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
FF....Please answer this honestly....No ducking and spinning like Ashley does.
If Joe Biden was found to have little helper notes written on his palm during a Q&A session....wouldn't you be shouting it from the roof tops? The Right continuously go on about Obama using a teleprompter....isn't that a non story also? Maybe if palin used one folks might understand what the heck she was talking about....I give her resignation speech as an example.
“It would be apathetic to just hunker down and ‘go with the flow.’ Nah, only dead fish ‘go with the flow." what does that mean?...She's quitting because she's not a quitter...I don't know. You see how she maybe better of with a 'prompter herself. But she has now boxed herself her in so she can never use on....It's great for the hilarity value...but not so good for her.
February 8, 2010, 6:23:59 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
1. If Biden had something written on his hand it would cause ironic comments about his staff because it's assumed that he would have prepared typed notecards.
It would also cause ironic comments about him because of Biden's past history of plagiarising.
2."The right" didn't know about the president's dependence on teleprompters until the media started remarking upon it.
There's a difference between notecard outlines and a teleprompter that virtually gives your speech to you word-per-word.
President's have relied on teleprompters in SOTU or Oval Office addresses, they have not relied on them in routine everyday introductions and brief remarks. The president has. THAT is remarkable in the way that's not the case for notecards or smaller reminders such as word jotted down on a card (or a hand).
3. Your sentiments about her speech have nothing to do with the other issue of cribnotes or F&F.
February 8, 2010, 6:44:59 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
but not so good for her.
If you want some interesting analysis on the subject, go to mullings.com today or tomorrow.
February 8, 2010, 6:50:53 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
Looks like the 102nd sponsor (StarKist) has pulled out from running ads during the beck programme.
Johnny....Before you pipe up....yes I read this on NH.
February 8, 2010, 6:34:05 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
Looks like the 102nd sponsor (StarKist) has pulled out from running ads during the beck programme.
Do you have a specifric fact as to why they did this, or are you and NH merely speculating?
February 8, 2010, 6:48:37 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
Ashley...here's the statement from StarKist:-
"...we have chosen to not air our commercial during Glenn Beck’s program going forward given a number of alternatives that meet our advertising plan’s criteria."
http://stopbeck.com/2010/02/08/starkist-becomes-102nd-sponsor-to-drop-glenn-beck/
February 8, 2010, 6:58:11 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
But you didn't answer my question. Has there EVER been a Star-Kist ad on Glenn Beck? Ever?
February 8, 2010, 7:05:10 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Then perhaps you could tell me when--EVER--you have seen a STar-Kist ad on Glenn Beck's show. I've been watching it for a year now and I don't recall One Single Star-Kist ad every showing up.
February 8, 2010, 6:56:04 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
If ads are anything like the UK in the US...they are regional...they may not advertise in your region. When I used to watch the BlinkoTV stream...I got ads related to the Florida region.
February 8, 2010, 7:07:36 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Sorry but the question of putting ads in a particular program is not a regional one. It's whether they buy that time on that channel nation-wide. Regional ads almost always run in a cycle, inserted automatically by local cable systems when a slot comes up, with no control over when they'll hit the air other than a general time-frame (daytime, early prime, prime, overnite, etc).
So I take it from your non-answer that no, you've never seen a Star-Kist ad on Glenn Beck. Join the club.
February 8, 2010, 7:10:08 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
So why would they pull there ads from a show and issue a statement...if they don't show ads during that show. Johnny...I think your floundering badly over this one.
February 8, 2010, 7:13:39 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Please be accurate. They never claimed they were pulling ads from anything. They issued a standard PR statement that really says nothing more than they don't have plans to advertise there. Well, duh. If they never did before, why would they now? And if they did, then howcum I never saw an ad from them? Could it be that the ad was sold to local cable companies, and not to FNC? I dunno, and it sure seems like you dunno either.
Still some people like to dishonestly portray it as "pulling there (sic) ads from a show". Or "dumping" the show. Tell me Haggie, before you dump a girl friend don't you have to at least have met her first?
February 8, 2010, 7:20:42 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
"we have chosen to not air our commercial during Glenn Beck’s program going forward"
That suggests to me that they have aired ads on the Beck programme in the past....just because you haven't seen them doesn't mean a thing....I know you'll muddy the waters with all your legal speak...but why would they not just simply issue a statement saying...we've never show ads on the Beck programme?
February 8, 2010, 7:31:06 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Probably for the same reason that other companies have used very similar wording. PR to get annoying, vulgar callers to stop typing up their phones and harassing their receptionists. You are of course correct that my not seeing a Star-Kist ad doesn't mean they didn't run them. But it does suggest they did so infrequently, or via local cable systems which would mean nothing whatsoever to FNC. I have it on fairly good authority that there is a waiting list for Beck advertisers, so if one should cancel, there is another waiting to come in. And given the increasing viewership they can charge more for the replacement advertisers than the ones who left. Gee, that almost makes it seem like FNC will make MORE money if Star-Kist actually WAS a Beck advertiser and has decided to go elsewhere. Excellent, excellent.
February 8, 2010, 7:36:54 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
"You are of course correct"
Haggis peals himself off the floor in utter amazement.
The ads I've seen on Beck recently....but I don't watch the clown often these days....seem to be gold related and ads for FNC programmes + Right Wing publications....like the Weekly standard. it's understandable why gold companies will stick with him as he heavily plugs their product.
February 8, 2010, 7:47:16 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
"PR to get annoying, vulgar callers to stop typing up their phones and harassing their receptionists"
Any proof the callers/e-mailers have been vulgar?...or is that simple speculation on your part...I know if I said such a thing you'd challenge me.
Out of all the companies that say they pulled their ads..have you ever seen them advertise on the show since?
February 8, 2010, 8:03:26 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Oh sure. Roche for one.
February 8, 2010, 8:04:34 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
So one out of 102....and that probably slipped through accidentally....speculation on my part.
can you pleae answer my other question:-
Any proof the callers/e-mailers have been vulgar?...or is that simple speculation on your part?
February 8, 2010, 8:10:27 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I didn't say there were vulgar callers to Star-kist. But there have been vulgar callers to some other companies, at least according to the people who have been quoted about them. So I extrapolate from that prior pattern of behavior and assume that chances are it is no different in this case than in others. But I thought I made it clear with the use of the word 'probably' that I was giving an opinion. A very educated opinion of course, honed by years of sharpened mental acuity and an enviable command of reason, logic, and facts.
February 8, 2010, 8:15:59 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
I'd say your being very slipper with what you actually said...but it's late here and I need some sleep....I'll continue this...if needed...when I get in from work tomorrow.
The "probably" was in reference to the wording they used in their statements....and not about "annoying, vulgar callers"....but I'm sure you'll disagree with that.
February 8, 2010, 8:34:02 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
Johnny...I see there is a "like" button bellow all post....wouldn't it be fair if there was a "dislike" button....or simply up/down vote buttons...This obviously wouldn't benefit me...but atleats I'd have a button to click.
February 8, 2010, 6:38:15 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
Haggis, there is the perfect button for you to click on already in place. See image below.
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February 8, 2010, 6:46:05 PM EST – Like – Reply
RICHARD SCHLOSSER
Haggis
3...2...1...Johnny awards Ashley CotD
Nice try Ashley...but unlike your hero...I'm no quiter
February 8, 2010, 6:51:31 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
LOL!
February 8, 2010, 6:56:40 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I.M. Right, that's brilliant!
February 8, 2010, 7:06:56 PM EST – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
CotD!
February 8, 2010, 8:24:26 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Fox Fan<img src="http://cdn.js-kit.com/images/icon10-external-url.png"/>
CotD!
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Now I wouldn't go THAT far...
February 8, 2010, 8:53:48 PM EST – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
^
CotD!
February 8, 2010, 10:02:22 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
I admire Sarah Palin immensly Haggy, but she is not my hero. Once again, your analyis is spot off.
February 8, 2010, 6:55:50 PM EST – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Haggis, you know what's really fair and balanced? This site. Think about it...
February 8, 2010, 8:32:10 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
FF...yes johnny allows my post here...that's fair...but as for balanced....it me against at least 8 others...not that balanced..at least in my books
February 8, 2010, 8:39:38 PM EST – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Yeah, but you're half of the posts. That's balance!
February 8, 2010, 8:53:19 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Haggis, it ain't you against 8 others.
It's 8 adults watching a grown man behave like a school yard tyke.
All you do is to the equivalent of:
"Bobby says your brother is a wimp"
"Your sister is fat"
"Your dad's car sucks and everybody hates you"
You come to an FNC supporter site and jump from one charge or complaint to the next depending on what you find as you scour blue blogs. Then you call us obsessed and insular.
Sheesh!
February 8, 2010, 8:59:54 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
"Then you call us obsessed and insular"
I've never called anyone that...I'm simply practising free speech.....you don't like tough. It's Johnny's site and he is free to ban me when ever he wants.
February 8, 2010, 9:12:26 PM EST – Like – Reply
Guest
Cecelia
In so many words, you've called us obsessed, with our heads in the sand, many times.
As for your just practicing free speech, you're free to fart in a public place too. That's analogous to what you do here. Just because Johnny allows it does mean I'm not going to point out exactly how you're behaving.
Count on the fact that I will.
You don't like it, "tough".
February 8, 2010, 9:23:16 PM EST – Like – Reply
david smawley
Great to have Haggis back now as FoxNews dominates his favorite cable news channels. $ talks & BS walks, say what you will Haggis, but those with your world view are in retreat. You have morphed into some kind of irrelevant J$ troll, here to rant & rave against imaginary windmills that torment you. No one takes your posts seriously any more.
February 8, 2010, 8:49:21 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
Super Bowl ratings....106 million watched Now that's a LOT....puts O'reillys ratings in some perspective. I know...I know...but I couldn't help myself
February 8, 2010, 8:50:07 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
If comparing O'Reilly to something approp-- such as other cablers, quantity is NOT important.
If you're comparing O'Reilly to highly-anticipated (for some reason) sports events, then quantity is "perspective".
Why do these people spend so much time hating on the things that they insist are unimportant?
February 8, 2010, 9:11:35 PM EST – Like – Reply
ramjette
Mr. Haggis,
Dishonesty IS hostility.
February 8, 2010, 9:07:54 PM EST – Like – Reply
Grammie
I think that hostility is the very raison de etre for the simple existence of Haggis et al!
February 8, 2010, 10:26:11 PM EST – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
106 million watched Now that's a LOT....puts O'reillys ratings in some perspective
If you want to use that "logic" it REALLY puts olbermanns ratings in some "perspective." Right?
February 9, 2010, 9:05:48 AM EST – Like – Reply
RICHARD SCHLOSSER
Haggis<img src="http://cdn.js-kit.com/images/icon10-external-url.png"/>
I'll be watching the Friends tomorrow to see if they mention this....somehow I think not....
Just another spot off post from the Haggis AKA many others!
February 9, 2010, 8:04:24 PM EST – Like – Reply
