1/18/10 12:31 PM

Thursday Cable News Links and Open Thread

The power of Roger Ailes? Analysis.

Wednesday's numbers: O'Reilly tops 4M viewers!

Huddy re-ups with FNC.  G-20 preview.

CNN, Carter recycle false MSNBC report?

Cable awards.  Money honey caught.

Beck: nick of Time.  Top talkers.  Today's boycott.

FNC joins MSM?  Stossel's courage?  Hotine after dark.

Updated through the day.  Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Blackflon
Not a peep from the Pups.
 
At least 30 Acorn employees have been convicted across the country.
 
At leat 4 Acorn employees have been fired after release of the videos.
 
Acorn has stopped hiring and will have a review done about their policies.
 
Acorn says they will have better training for their employees.
 
And what do our friends at the Hen House do? Ignore it all.
 
They simply continue to smear all things FOX.
 
It must hurt to know that Fox is the big player in this expose of Acorn. Even John Stewart has called out the MSM on this one.
 
Maybe we could the the Poodles some crying towels.
September 17, 2009, 8:23:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Johnny, Stossel is doing a NIGHTLY program?
 
Who is he bumping?
September 17, 2009, 9:08:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply


ImNotBlue
For me, MSM is defined as the "traditional media outlets," as in newspapers and broadcast television. Cable news, internet news, and the blogs remain outside. The only real questionable group would be "news radio," as some of it is actual news, but most of it is political discussion... news being a traditional form, discussion in its modern form, not as much.
 
But... perhaps we need to stop referring to the MSM as such. Maybe they have a point... after all, the first "M" in MSM is "mainstream," with the word meaning:
 
–the principal or dominant course, tendency, or trend / belonging to or characteristic of a principal, dominant, or widely accepted group, movement–
 
And FNC certainly does fall into that defintion. Maybe we need to move away from the MSM, and closer to the TM (Traditional Media), or OSM (Old-School Media).
 
I know this guy meant it to be snarky... but he does have a point.
September 17, 2009, 10:07:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I believe Stossel's program is going to be on FBN.
September 17, 2009, 10:22:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply


The True Liberal
Hey Dollar,
Do you think poor Stossel will have David Shultz on his program to slap the snot out of him when he get smart, since that is a criteria of being a Fox News employee.
September 17, 2009, 10:28:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
The True Liberal -  
 
Is this "criteria" you talk about having an employee who will bring a violent person onto the show as their guest? Or is the criteria being someone who would get violent and slap the host of a show?
 
Would appreciate clarification on that and then please cite a few examples to link how this is the "criteria of being a Fox News employee".
September 17, 2009, 10:39:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Boy, the lines are blurry nowadays.
 
Dobbs speaks out against the non-enforcement of immigration law and the fact that govt is encouraged to look the other way by corporate interests who desire to UNDER pay these workers... and Dobbs is a right-wing pariah...
September 17, 2009, 11:15:21 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Love the photo of Beck on the Time Magazine cover. I'll be buying that issue, Time has a returned customer for one week at least.
 
I bet Blackflon wishes he had the ability to place that image to be the desktop image of all the "Hideous Hens " and "Negative Nabobs of Negativism" computers.  
 
For me, I think it's time to say buh-bye to Spongebob.
September 17, 2009, 11:22:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Ashley | 09.17.09 - 11:27 am | #  
 
That's a great picture!!!!
September 17, 2009, 11:46:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply


The True Liberal
Do you remember when Stosel was slapped around by David Schultz for asking if pro wrestling was fake, and then "pow" a slap right across the face. I just think that Schultz would be great as a counter on a show by Beck, everytime Beck starts to boohoo about how much he loves to "smear Obama" oops I mean his country, Schultz's slaps him. That would shut that fear monget up.  
And please Ashley, Hannity is not a smart alleck, Doocy, Carlson, Kelly, O'Reilly they are all snarky. Which what 90% of the Fox News employee pool. and soon I am sure Fox will give Palin a show......and surely a comedy show.
As for Beck on Time it is not because of who he is it is because of what he says. Which are basically just Republican smears
September 17, 2009, 11:54:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Hmmm. Deja vu...deja vu...
September 17, 2009, 11:57:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Thanks B - I just made a modification to simplify the photo. Removed the TIME logo and "mad man" verbage.
September 17, 2009, 11:58:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Hmmm. Deja vu...deja vu...
johnny dollar | Homepage | 09.17.09 - 12:02 pm | #  
 
I'm having that feeling too. I'm reminded of a former J$P poster turned NH poster who was known for poor grammar and comprehension skills, and suffering an apparent extreme difficulty in stringing a sentence together.  
 
So tell me True Liberal, have you posted here before or are you a new poster here at J$P?
September 17, 2009, 12:04:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
But you know, on second read, I'm concerned about "The True Liberal".
 
Based on their 11:59 post, they apparently approve of violence against someone for simply asking a question. They also apparently approve of violence against someone for expressing their thoughts on our country.
 
If this poster means what they say, then I would be concerned for the safety of their children, if any.
September 17, 2009, 12:08:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Well you know over at NH they did have a poster who called for Bill O'Reilly to be murdered. After that he changed his name. Just sayin'.
September 17, 2009, 12:11:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


The True Liberal
Ashley.....this has nothing to do about Grammar or syntax it has everything to do with how Fox News spreads lies, fear and racism to the masses. And yes I said racism,
Who really care about Grammar, unless you are a second grade school teacher, so I see no reason to debate you on that. You bet I have posted here before, under many, many, many names, I will not lie about that,  
but Ashley tell me, what is you Newshounds name is it Olby Sucks, since you have an obvious obsession with him, is it Hippo Hound, why dob;t you tell us the truth for once..
September 17, 2009, 12:16:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


The True Liberal
I approve of violence against people who use their celebrity to spread lies and fears. You bet.  
And kids, boy Ashley you really do live in a dream world. What is next making fun of me for serving our country unlike you who serves the 711 up the street.
September 17, 2009, 12:21:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
You see? People call it 'deja vu', but in reality there's a simple explanation for it. Thanks Patrick.
September 17, 2009, 12:23:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Well you know over at NH they did have a poster who called for Bill O'Reilly to be murdered. After that he changed his name. Just sayin'.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 09.17.09 - 12:16 pm | #  
 
Oh yeah, I remember that! As I recall, he called for BOR to be raped and murdered. I have a funny story about that poster "Michael Weston".
 
I recall how this little feller often tried to purport that he was a real tough guy. But that's far from the truth. In fact, he was quite cowardly.
 
Check out this exchange at NH Weston had with fellow poster Brother Mark. Apparently there was a heated discussion going on between the two. (The city and county info was edited by me.)
 
Post from Brother Mark citing a Michael Weston post:
 
I like in #####ville Illinois, ## miles east of St. Louis Missouri  
Posted by: Michael Weston on Mon 3.23 2:25pm  
 
B### county is less than an hour away and I plan to hoist a couple at any rate tonight; I have no problem saying it to your face.... or were you lying about that as well...  
Posted by: brothermark on Thu 4.9 12:40pm  
 
Now here is Weston's reply:
 
Sorry Brother Mark, don't live in #####ville anymore, and I could honestly care less about this drug induced thread, point proven drugs are bad and Anisha and Aunty em prove it.  
Posted by: Michael Weston on Thu 4.9 1:08pm  
 
Ahhhh, this little feller moved? I don't think so, check out this post that Weston made to poster Nipigon a month earlier:
 
Pingpong,  
First of all I don't hire the lawn company and second why the hell should you care. I live in a mostly white community, not because we are racial it is because It is how has always been, I was raised here, I will raise my children here and I will die here, just like my parents and grandparents did, that comment was not racial. Dollar called us racist when some in here called Juan Williams Fox News' Lawnboy. Which can be constued as racial in the black community.  
...
Posted by: Michael Weston on Sun 3.1 11:38pm  
 
So, let's see if I got this straight....
 
In March he claims that he's going to live in Xville forever, yet a mere few weeks later he's suddenly moved????
 
Har Har!
 
He often attacked other lefty posters there too. Above, he implies that poster "Anisha" is on drugs. In other post, I'll share a nasty exchange he had with Anisha. An example of life at News Hounds.
September 17, 2009, 12:40:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Here is an exchange between Weston and Anisha. It seems that Weston was clueless about the GMT time adjustments on NH posts, varying from user to user.
 
Here is a post from Anisha referencing a Weston Post:
 
From: Michael Weston  
To: Captain America  
Posted: Tue 4.7 7:56pm (All times are GMT - 4 Hours)  
Subject: Posting  
 
No reply I take it?  
_________________
Yours Truly,  
Anisha PbD,  
 
The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. -- Bertrand Russell  
Posted by: Anisha PbD on Tue 4.7 9:58pm  
 
Now, here is Weston's reply to Anisha, note how he talks to the ladies:
 
Well Bitch you got me, you win, I am lying I made the post, Whatever. I know the truth and you are just a typical prude who has her head up her ass so far that if she farted her head would explode.  
Posted by: Michael Weston on Tue 4.7 10:05pm  
 
Then Weston's next post, apparently 7 minutes is more than enough time for him to expect a reply:
 
No reply, Good.  
 
Truth Hurt.  
Posted by: Michael Weston on Tue 4.7 10:12pm  
 
Why did you change the post time the email I sent to Capt America.  
Posted by: Michael Weston on Tue 4.7 10:15pm
September 17, 2009, 12:45:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Are you telling us that TTL is Patrick, aka Weston, aka Troyer, AKA Baba, aka Michael Todd, AKA Eric Cartman the NH Mod, AKA Al Frankenstein???
 
Shocker!!!!!! (Trademark OS).
September 17, 2009, 12:48:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
The True Liberal | 09.17.09 - 12:21 pm | #  
 
"why dob;t you tell us the truth for once"
 
Why dob;t you tell us at which branch office of Acorn do you work. I know two people who are seeking your advice on bringing in underage children to make French Fries. They need to know how to best make them.
September 17, 2009, 12:53:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
What is next making fun of me for serving our country unlike you who serves the 711 up the street.
The True Liberal | 09.17.09 - 12:26 pm | #  
 
For the record, I've never made fun of anyone for serving in our country. Anyone saying I have is lying.
 
I have told you repeatedly that I don't believe you ever served our country. None of our vets would post such inherent vile and vicious things that you do.
September 17, 2009, 12:58:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
"You bet I have posted here before, under many, many, many names, I will not lie about that"
 
You will not lie about that....now. Don't you recall when as Al Frankenstein you did lie about that...just a few weeks ago?
September 17, 2009, 1:22:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


The True Liberal
Well Ashley you are an [deleted] aren't you. I served, if you ever spent a night in a Fox hole in a war zone with your band of brothers you would understand how it really is in the real world. I spent weeks with men who feel the same way about things as I do. You put God and country first, Fox News does neither, we do not liked to be talk down to, like you do with everyone, yes I called you some pretty bad thing and no I do not feel bad about it, I spoke the truth to you.
You just hide behind your keyboard, call Olbermann "something retarded about a clown, you call Haggis a liar, and then you get all pissy when someone questions you. In my opinion you are [deleted]. and I would love to meet you in person someday then [deleted].

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September 17, 2009, 1:36:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Just in case anyone had any doubts I figured I'd let that one go thru before Patrick's many rules violations send him packing yet again.
September 17, 2009, 1:43:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
What is it... old blog week for trolls?
September 17, 2009, 1:59:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Ashley,
 
I think you have started a national trend...
September 17, 2009, 2:29:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
I served
 
I don't believe you.
 
I spent weeks with men who feel the same way about things as I do.
 
I'm sure you did, but am confident it was not with the troops.
 
You put God and country first, Fox News does neither
 
If that is true, that that is apparently one thing you have in common with Fox.
 
we do not liked to be talk down to, like you do with everyone,  
 
Not to everyone Li'l feller, only to the liars and the haters.
 
By the way, are you implying that you do not talk down to anyone?
 
yes I called you some pretty bad thing and no I do not feel bad about it, I spoke the truth to you.
 
Yes, regarding things I've said about you, I spoke the truth as well. The difference between you and I is that my truth is rooted in reality.
 
You just hide behind your keyboard
 
We had this discussion before when you posted as Baba. How do I hide? I use my real name and only my real name. You frequently post under assumed names and often lie about your identity. You did this just a few weeks ago when you started posting here as Al F. Now tell me li'l feller, if you really believe that I hide behind my keyboard, then please explain how you do not hide behind your keyboard.
 
you call Haggis a liar, and then you get all pissy when someone questions you.
 
Haggis is a liar. He has lied about his identity, he has lied by falsely attributing phony quotes to individuals, and there were his lies of omissions. His lies have been well documented.
 
When someone questions me, I usually answer them. If I don't, it's because refuse to answer someone who has already repeatedly refused to answer my questions. In your case, there are many pending questions to you as Al Frankenstein that you have refrained from answering.
 
In my opinion you are [deleted]. and I would love to meet you in person someday then [deleted].
 
Well, if French Fry making can earn you the bucks to buy a ticket on Southwest Airlines, I'm sure you'll enjoy visiting Southern California. If you do plan to come, I can assure you that I won't suddenly announce that I've moved. Hee Hee.
September 17, 2009, 2:51:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Cecelia | 09.17.09 - 2:34 pm | #  
 
Nah, the li'l feller was a troll long before I ever noticed him.
September 17, 2009, 2:52:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Patrick served?????
 
What, french fries at Mc Donald's??
September 17, 2009, 3:13:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Ahh, now the House has voted to defund ACORN.
 
It's amazing what those two young people have accomplished.
 
Jon Stewart was right.
 
It's going to be interesting today on Fox as Beck, BOR, Hannity, and Greta all talk about it.
 
CNN will make a mention of it.
 
MSNBC will talk about Fox.
September 17, 2009, 3:13:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Patrick served?????
 
What, french fries at Mc Donald's??
Blackflon | Homepage | 09.17.09 - 3:18 pm | #  
 
 
You keep it so simple, yet effective.
September 17, 2009, 3:36:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
The Patrick material is instructive, and I appreciate its publication despite the apparent violation of some policy or policies. It helps me to recall that we all are responsible for policing the coarsely, crudely and clumsily expressed "opinions" of those who share our own views and ideologies. If one goes to a leftist hate site, like the Hounds, he or she finds leftistss nodding their heads in approval. Go to a rightist hate site, like Van Susteren (herself paradoxically not hateful), and one sees the same. My interest in this blog is back door. I am of the opinion that the "dumbing down" and "bullying up" we now see through our tears in such an advanced state in America is in some large part the result of American cable "news" which seizes upon our societal malaise for ratings. Of course, I view FOX and MSNBC as the big perpetrators, but others may disagree. The panacea is holding the feet of those whose views we share to the fire, vigilantly. We end up with a reasoned discourse and a better news product then. For example, Blackthon might be of more service were he to analyze Hannity and not Olbermann, and I, Amanpour and not Beck. Slamming those with whom we disagree, even by something as relatively mild as labelling someone here a troll or presuming the (ill)motives of professional commentators (whose motives we likely don't know) is worthless, and, indeed, harmful. Thanks for this opportunity.
September 17, 2009, 4:00:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
"MSNBC will talk about Fox."
 
The orange one is truly obsessed with all things Fox. So are his minions which is even more halarious!
:lol:  
 
Isn't that right, 'haggis?'
September 17, 2009, 4:09:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
"You keep it so simple, yet effective.
Ashley | 09.17.09 - 3:41 pm | # "
 
Unlike some other here.
 
"MSNBC will talk about Fox.
Ashley | 09.17.09 - 3:18 pm | # "
 
Your compliment to Blackfon applies equally to you, Ashley. I'm still chuckling with both of you. :+:
September 17, 2009, 4:27:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
You're a mensch, Ashley!
September 17, 2009, 5:07:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
"The panacea is holding the feet of those whose views [party] we share to the fire, vigilantly. We end up with a reasoned discourse and a better news product [government & country] then."-PP
 
You agree with Beck on this matter, though his arena is somewhat more important than cable news.  
 
Evidently you've been effected by Beck's comments, though I'll wager you'll deny that's the case.
September 17, 2009, 5:12:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
It would sure be comfortable to go to a site where opponents are all working hard to prove to you that they want "a better political discourse", and that they are broad-minded etc.... by policing each other and the pundits from their side.
 
Wouldn't THAT be fun!...
 
I can understand how ANY opponent would enjoy a site like that!...
 
In the "opportunity" that we just had here, it was Ashley who addressed Patrick and his behavior directly and who set him straight.
 
I didn't see any actual "policing" done of Patrick, by a fellow liberal, did anyone else?
September 17, 2009, 6:00:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
I didn't see any actual "policing" done of Patrick, by a fellow liberal, did anyone else?
Cecelia | 09.17.09 - 6:05 pm | #  
 
I'm not sure, but I think that Baba, Eric, and Michael Weston stood up The True Liberal, Al Frankenstein, and Patrick.
 
Likewise, Stan stood up for Haggis.
September 17, 2009, 6:34:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Re: Patrick strikes again (my title): Looks like I picked a good afternoon to be away from the computer. He'll be back, as always. Meanwhile, he'll always have my blog to vent himself to me, launch homophobic slurs at me and Ashley, and profess violent fantasies about Fox News personalities...16 months after posting to Alisyn Camerota's Greenroom blog.
September 17, 2009, 6:43:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
"The sheer ratings dominance of Fox strongly suggests that the breadth of their audience crosses over the aisle to both moderates and liberals alike. Why? Precisely because of their incredible influence on the debate, and frankly, the programs on FNC are very well produced and entertaining, regardless of where you stand on the issues."
 
duh...
September 17, 2009, 7:20:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


david smawley
Pat, how bout consensing your posts to a few snetneces. You have a right to post your opinions here re cable news, but the run on sentences & paragraphs strike me as excessive verbosity for no known reason. Pardon me, but I think you like to post these opinions, then come back and re read the brilliance you have shared with all of us. The word pompous comes to mind.
September 17, 2009, 8:26:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
oreilly getting 4M is impressive
 
CNN, MSNBC, Carter: why did they lie about the sign? I saw the sign and it cleary said: "bury obamaCARE with Kennedy"
 
watching countdown: Olby appears to be wearing womens glasses.
 
one more note: I find it "funny" the media/left is outraged by all the anti-obama signs and yet they ignored all those hate-full Bush signs. It reminds me of Olbermann being outraged by Obama=hitler signs, but I was very easily able to find a lot of Bush=hitler signs. I'm disgusted by all of it.
 
then there was the CNN reporter who joked about Bush=hitler sign but was outraged by the obama=hitler sign
 
so much bias.
September 17, 2009, 8:29:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ashley
Re: Patrick strikes again (my title): Looks like I picked a good afternoon to be away from the computer. He'll be back, as always. Meanwhile, he'll always have my blog to vent himself to me, launch homophobic slurs at me and Ashley, and profess violent fantasies about Fox News personalities...16 months after posting to Alisyn Camerota's Greenroom blog.
Mike C. | Homepage | 09.17.09 - 6:48 pm | #  
 
Mike, you have never done anything wrong to that idiot. His problem is that he doesn't agree with your views. Instead of being a man about it and be willing to debate and discuss the issues, he is not competent enough to act like a man, so he acts like a little boy dishing out 5th grade insults.
 
I wrote the following post to you in 2008. It all applies today, and knowing you almost 10 months longer, I realize my observations were correct...regarding both sides of that fence.
 
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/johnnydollar/anc251099797/#260422
September 17, 2009, 8:29:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ashley
Radio Equalizer reports that Ed Shulz says there's nothing to the ACORN story so that's why he's not reporting it. This was on the radio show (heard daily by 10's of listeners). I'm assuming he's not talking about it on his MSNBC show. Anyone have any info on that?
 
Acorn, let's see.....
 
Takes millions of taxpayer dollars
 
and
 
is a non profit organization
 
yet  
 
focuses on the elections of one specific political party even though they take taxpayer funds
 
and
 
they take money from the Presidents personal campaign fund, work for him, even though they take taxpayer funds
 
and
 
a high level former employee embezzled a million dollars and didn't prosecute. By "coincidence", the thief went to work at the SEIU and his brother still works at ACORN
 
and
 
The US Census just dropped ACORN
 
and
 
The US Senate voted to stop funding for ACORN
 
and  
 
The US House of Representatives voted to stop funding of Acorn
 
and  
 
There have been numerous charges, arrests, and convictions of ACORN personnel for voter fraud
 
and then there are the recent video tapes....
 
Nope, nothing to see here, move along, move along....that's the MSNBC way.
September 17, 2009, 8:47:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
The panacea is holding the feet of those whose views we share to the fire, vigilantly.
Pat Pomeroy | 09.17.09 - 4:05 pm | #
 
Pat Pomeroy, this is why I like you. The picturesque diction is artistic.
September 17, 2009, 9:01:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
http://ramjetrapidresponseforce.ning.com/profile/PatrickHeckman?xg_source=profiles_memberList
 
Hey ramjet, did you see the registered user at your homepage?
September 17, 2009, 9:22:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
Yep. I confirmed his email addy and so far he's been quiet as a mouse.  
 
The American Eagle Squadron grants all recruits a clean slate.
September 17, 2009, 10:41:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply