Friday Links & Open Thread
Latest cable news links [6:50 pm]:
Red Eye trio w/Alan tonight [stream].
Thursday's numbers.
FBN debate digest.
FBN to NOLA
FBN firing flap (via/TVN).
One day, four countries.
Arianna Huffington, media critic.
Today's Olbermann/Gregory gossip.
Latest Buchanan brouhaha.
Pix: Janice Dean on "turtle time", On the Record in Madison. Anti-Fox conspiracy?
Alan's hate mail.
Seacrest rumor rebutted.
Morning roundup. Hotline quotes.
The news loft; the Bill Board.
MSNBC's primary colors, EPpy.
Balance, Shuster-style?
Rachel Sklar promotes Olbermann.
Today's deep thought: "organism"!
Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. fox news cable news
notveryhow
Got my son a microscope a few years ago,and we cast about for things to look at.You would be astonished at the "organisms" that can be found between your toes.Dick Morris might be on to something.
May 16, 2008, 8:47:33 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
You can always rely on the Right for a good laugh :lol:
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Chris Matthews Stumps Right-Wing Radio Host: Tell Me What Chamberlain Did? I Dont Know
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/15/kevin-james-appeaser/#comments
May 16, 2008, 9:48:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
That's fine and dandy SUHK, but here's Chris Matthews stumping an Obama rep on his being able to name ONE of Hussein's accomplishment as a US senator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGeu_4Ekx-o
Even the MSNBC stage staff lol'd at the idiot.
May 16, 2008, 10:06:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Tell Me What Chamberlain Did? I Dont Know
That would have been more impressive had Matthews not been convinced that the Cole bombing happened during the Bush administration! Oops.
May 16, 2008, 10:10:51 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
As everyone knows the USS Cole was attacked on GWB's watch. I am so glad that Tweety set the record straight for all we history challenged RWers.
This is an excellent article that I came across in the comments at the NB link.
http://www.hollycrud.com/
From Jack Bauer's comment @ NB and his blog:
"It's quite amusing to listen to the likes of the spittle drooling Matthews, Shuster and the rest of MSNBC's Obama worshipping hacks, who don't know much about history.
Memo to MSNBC: the actual policy of appeasing Hitler DID NOT begin and end with the Munich Agreement which shamefully recognized Hitler's right to the Sudetenland.
Appeasement of Hitler began in 1933 and ran thru to 1939, with Chamberlain being an integral part of all the meaningless "talks" and "diplomacy," to which Hitler had NO intent of ever being persuaded by.
He simply used that time to plot and build up his armed forces whilst breaking every treaty. It was what he planned all along, NO MATTER what France and England said, did, threatened, blustered or capitulated on."
The article is well worth reading.
May 16, 2008, 10:20:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
This isn't about Matthews...It's about the Right spouting talking points and not knowing the meaning of said talking points.
Now it appears McCain is involved in some major Flip-Flopping.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/16/mccain-hamas-flip-flop/
May 16, 2008, 10:34:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"This isn't about Matthews...It's about the Right spouting talking points and not knowing the meaning of said talking points."
Are you quite sure about that. I never knew till now that "THE RIGHT" had such a young man as he to be the embodiment and personification of the right. Gee, I thought I was right too.
So, who is "THE LEFT"? Is it KO who thinks the House of Representatives uses the filibuster or Chrissy who can't place an even less then 10 years ago in the right Admin?
Inquiring minds wants to know so I can spread The Truth According to HSUK hither and yond in Gopher Glutch!
May 16, 2008, 11:13:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> This isn't about Matthews...It's about the Right spouting talking points and not knowing the meaning of said talking points.
No, I'm sorry, but you are incorrect. This blog is about cable news. So it IS about Chris Matthews. This is not a blog to argue politics. It's a place to discuss cable news.
If this were a blog to argue politics someone might point out that McCain's "flip-flop" is based on a heavily-cropped snippet of something he said that reads quite cifferently when it's not being clipped and snipped:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/16/mccains-hamas-comments-context-restored/
However, I do NOT want to get into a fight over McCain or "the right spouting talking points". Discussions tend to wander and some of that is expected, but I will not permit the thread to be turned into a stream-of-consciousness political smorgasboard. As we say every day, this is an open thread for your CABLE NEWS comments. So I am sorry to correct you: it IS about Chris Matthews.
May 16, 2008, 11:20:33 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
No Snow: Smerconish filling in for O'Reilly on radio today.
May 16, 2008, 12:10:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Bill O'Reilly Goes Crazy Remix :lol:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18KtLJArnlg
May 16, 2008, 12:56:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
In my Topica discussion list with a handful of BillOReilly.com premium members that didn't fit in with the message board groupthink, I predicted Tony would not be filling in. Here's what I wrote 11 1/2 hours ago, as I announced BOR would be on vacation through Memorial Day:
"I have no idea who will fill in on 'The Radio Factor,' but I doubt it'll be Tony Snow any of the days, as he disappears into the land of CNN, never to be heard from again...unless he leaves or is fired/let go. Expect any of the old three-man platoon of fill-ins: Dom Giordano, Michael Smerconish, or Doug McIntyre. Next Friday and Memorial Day will likely be 'Best of' shows."
May 16, 2008, 1:28:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Your prediction is looking better and better, and I recall some PR guy being quoted as saying Tony would continue on The Factor. Hmmmmm.
May 16, 2008, 1:29:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
FNCFan20
On a cuter note. Megyn's dogs, Bailey and Basha, are doing a photo shoot for Animal Fair magazine.
May 16, 2008, 1:41:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Just curious....But how many here have a "no spin" shirt?
May 16, 2008, 1:48:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Aeris Gainsborough
Summary of Countdown with Keith Olbermann for Thursday, May 16, 2008.
173 days until the 2008 presidential election.
Number 5: Mr. Bush "slanders" indirectly Senator Barack Obama. The video clip was played, about Mr. Bush indirectly "slandering" Senator Barack Obama. Senator Barack Obama, Senator Hillary Clinton, and Senator Joe Biden (who called the comments bull----) responded. Ms. Perino "answered" a question from the press about what Mr. Bush said. Democratic Party chair, Governor Dean wanted Mr. McCain to reject Mr. Bush's comments, but no. Dana Milbank is then called up, and after that Rachael Maddow was called up as well. Both did a good job attacking Mr. Bush's comments.
Number 4: Keith Olbermann talks about Mr. McCain's "President Bushs third term." Im sorry, of his first term. Keith Olbermann did a good job attacking Mr. McCain's "one-liners".
Bushed: Number three: Ahmed Chalabi-gate. Number two: Send them back-gate. Number one: War profiteering-gate.
Oddball: Don't Care.
Best Persons: Number three, best ironic baseball promotion, the New York Mets. Number two, best dumb criminal, Samuel Wood of Twin Falls, Idaho. Number one, best bizarre White House gift, Mr. Cheney gave Mr. Bush special Infrared style binoculars valued at 579 bucks.
Number Three: Response to the wonderful Special Comment, Paul Rieckhoff of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, is brought in. Both Keith Olbermann and Paul Rieckhoff did a good job attacking Mr. Bush, about Mr. Bush's "supporting the troops."
Number Two: WPITW: Bronze: Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio. Silver: Mark Salter. Gold: retired General Thomas McNerney. Tone when Keith Olbermann said WPITW, before Number One, angry when he said: "General Thomas Yes, Im Prostituting Myself McNerney, todays worst person in the world!"
Number One, Bill losing it on "Inside Edition". Body Language Expert Stacy Grenrock Woods was brought in to explain Bill's Body Language, and she and Keith Olbermann did a good job at it.
Thats COUNTDOWN for this the 1,841st day since the declaration of mission accomplished in Iraq. Im Keith Olbermann, good night and good luck.
Other News: Michael Savage and KCMO:
http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2008/05/petition_targets_kcmo_710_talk.php
Today's Firing Demand of the Day.
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May 16, 2008, 2:19:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Both did a good job attacking Mr. Bush's comments.
> Keith Olbermann did a good job attacking Mr. McCain
> Both Keith Olbermann and Paul Rieckhoff did a good job attacking Mr. Bush
> she and Keith Olbermann did a good job at it.
Yup, sounds like another Countdown like every other Countdown: another fair, balanced report, presenting all points of view running the gamut from A to B. You can't get that kind of journalistic fairness and balance anywhere else...except maybe Radio North Korea. Thanks for reminding us all what a partisan hack Oralmann is.
Oh, and by the way, that "body language expert" turned out to be an alleged comedian. So please get your facts straight before you post.
As for the Savage link, this has WHAT to do with cable news? I must have missed the connection.
May 16, 2008, 2:45:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
HSUK | 05.16.08 - 1:53 pm | #
I have lots. Aside for polos or tees, none of my tops can spin in the dryer.
May 16, 2008, 2:51:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Body Language analysis of Bill O'Reilly's meltdown
Hilarious "body language expert" analysis of Bill O'Reilly's melting moment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfOWh9684Zk
May 16, 2008, 3:01:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Cecelia...I'll be golfing in the U.S later this year....Do you think a "no spin" shirt and a few tees would be a wise investment?
Probably wouldn't wear it on the west coast...But down south it might pay dividends.
May 16, 2008, 3:33:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Well it would be a compassionate investment, since Bill donates all his profits to charities.
May 16, 2008, 3:40:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
>Your prediction is looking better and better, and I recall some PR guy being quoted as saying Tony would continue on The Factor. Hmmmmm.<
If there's one glimmer of hope in Tony ever filling in again, it's the fact that Michael Smerconish fills in, but appears regularly on MSNBC. I don't want to say he's an MSNBC contributor because I don't know that for sure.
May 16, 2008, 3:58:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Interesting....Is this another Billo type story brewing?
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FBN Reporter Fired But Why?
TVNewser received a tip involving possibly legal problems for the Fox Business Network. The tip involved a former Fox Business Network reporter, who was said to have been fired for complaining about being sexually and racially harassed.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fox_biz/fbn_reporter_fired_but_why_85036.asp#disqus_thread
May 16, 2008, 4:09:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Please do not repost links that are already in the main article. It just clogs up the comments unnecessarily.
May 16, 2008, 4:18:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
Re: FBN firing: I don't want to make the Courtney Friel comparison, but I will.
May 16, 2008, 4:23:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
JJ$ Sorry, I didn't notice it there...One day I'll make a post without a rules infraction....Honest nbsp;
Sorry, I didn't notice it there...One day I'll make a post without a rules infraction....Honest
May 16, 2008, 4:25:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Courtney was never as awful as what is in those video clips!
May 16, 2008, 4:26:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> One day I'll make a post without a rules infraction
You've been doing pretty well. I keep reading over at the hounds how I instantly delete any messages I don't agree with, so I guess you should count yourself lucky that I didn't ban you in ten minutes as you predicted.
May 16, 2008, 4:29:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Gen Escape Goat- Old Style Dry
"I keep reading over at the hounds how I instantly delete any messages I don't agree with"
C'mon, I rarely ever see your name mentioned over there and when it is it's because people from here go over and try to start trouble.
May 16, 2008, 4:34:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Will Billo address these outrages comments...Or will he stay silent!!
I would post some examples but probably would get pulled up for multiple language violations.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/15/164546/409
May 16, 2008, 4:38:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Funny, hsuk, I don't recall you bringing up the (d) that resigned under a sexual harassment scandal. Must be a 'party' thing.....
May 16, 2008, 4:56:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Gen Escape Goat- Old Style Dry | Homepage | 05.16.08 - 4:39 pm |
How about just a few examples of we "four", as I have seen often said that there are only four who comment here, mentioning J$ over at the Kennel.
May 16, 2008, 5:03:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
olby sucks | Homepage | 05.16.08 - 5:01 pm |
Why has it always got to be a party thing?...If the allegations are true...It's terrible full stop....It has nothing to do with what party the abuser supports.
May 16, 2008, 5:17:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
One thing is for sure: she has become another OlbyHero. He can use her to rail against Fox and the eeevil O'Reilly.
May 16, 2008, 5:34:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Gen Escape Goat- Old Style Dry
"How about just a few examples of we "four", as I have seen often said that there are only four who comment here, mentioning J$ over at the Kennel."
Oddly enough,
"What the hell did Dollar do, send his four regulars over here to troll?
john t | 05.06.08 - 8:25 pm | # "
was said when, drum roll please.....an hour after Tony said here,
"I love posting on Newshounds. You have never communicated with a more ignorant hatefilled group of people.
If you feel like having some fun go over there and light some fuses.
tony | 05.06.08 - 7:24 pm | # "
Take a look:
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/05/06/bottom_third_chyrons_through_commercial_breaks_on_studio_b.php
now look at the names of people posting there.
olbysucks
steve
tony
oh wait a minute....
and you.
File under: The reason Tony was banned.
May 16, 2008, 5:37:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Just trying to keep things fair and balanced, hsuk.
http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/05/ohio-ag-resigns.html
May 16, 2008, 5:39:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
I'd like to link you guys over to Johnny's video at OlbyWatch with clips from John Gibson and Mark Levin post-SEK:
http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2008/05/gibson_levin_an.php
OlbyWatch video is used by John, and Mark reveals that Keith acts like he does for ratings and is a fraud.
May 16, 2008, 5:57:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Um General, you were asked for examples of people from here mentioning J$P over there. The only one to mention J$P that you offer is john t, who is one of the newshound's posters!
But your msg is informative. Apparently the rules for banning seem to be that you post at J$P. It used to be you couldn't post a link to J$P. Then that was escalated to the hounds not wanting even a mention of J$P. Now apparently, if you don't break any of those rules but still come from J$P, that's enough to get you in trouble!
I'm flattered that this site gets so much attention from the hounds and their pals. Just wait until next week!
May 16, 2008, 5:58:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
olby sucks | Homepage | 05.16.08 - 5:44 pm |
What has "fair & balanced" got to do with an alleged harassment claim?
I've never seen Fox report on a murder...Then find out the victim is (D)...So they then show a (R) who's been murdered....All to show their "fair & Balanced"
May 16, 2008, 6:02:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
What's next week, Johnny?
May 16, 2008, 6:10:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
HSUK, I wouldn't recommend that you golf in a shirt that can't be spun in a dryer.
Just stick to one of those message tees where you wear your politics across your chest like some sort of war paint.
All the southerners will have read you like a book anyway.
May 16, 2008, 6:11:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> What's next week, Johnny?
That would be telling.
May 16, 2008, 6:12:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Oh, my goodness, Johnny! Not only can Olbermann "phone-in" the complete content and its context for his entire show, but anyone else, whether left or right, can do it too!
May 16, 2008, 6:16:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
"Just wait until next week!"
Billo's dishing out "Factor staff Shirts" to the regulars....Would this shirt be better for my golf trip...And more importantly is it dryer friendly.
May 16, 2008, 6:19:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
All the southerners will have read you like a book anyway.
Cecelia | 05.16.08 - 6:16 pm |
I should be OK down there....Just say:Billo's the best....Bush is Good....Iraq was An inspired course of action....etc....And all should be well....But I may have some explaining to do on my wet shirt.
May 16, 2008, 6:31:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
HSUK, not to worry. The message "I'm with stupid" with an arrow pointing downward on your wet shirt will be plenty explanation.
May 16, 2008, 6:36:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny,
I think you need to start some sort of wager on accurately predicting the shelf-life of Pat Buchanan at MSNBC.
May 16, 2008, 6:49:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Thank you, Johnny. You took my words right out of my mouth. I asked for proof that commenters here talked about J$ at the Kennel.
I assure you, Goat, that I am never profane, never incoherent and have never gone off topic unless I mention it up front and only on sites that I know will cut me some slack. Yet I have had several comments deleted at the Kennel and some erased without a trace for no logical reason that I can discern.
I do believe, although I might be wrong, that a comment I posted questioning why my answer to a comment was deleted while the comment I answered was left standing. I have asked several times, to no avail, what are the nuances that obviously thrive behind the only three reasons listed to be deleted Alas, I have come to the conclusion that the criteria is either totally arbritary or is based upon anyone falling out of lockstep with the hounds. I do believe the latter, absent any response from the mod to my questions, is the reason.
May 16, 2008, 6:53:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Keiths drawing them in...And O'reilly's always talking about the 25-54 demo. being the most important one.
May 14th they were neck&neck at 507
May 16, 2008, 6:55:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Shuk, many a horse has been neck and neck out of the gate who wound up running dead last.
May 16, 2008, 7:12:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tony
Now I was told that I was banned due to starting a competition on who could be deleted first. And as "proof" they posted this comment:
I love posting on Newshounds. You have never communicated with a more ignorant hatefilled group of people.
If you feel like having some fun go over there and light some fuses.
tony | 05.06.08 - 7:24 pm | # "
Please tell me at what point I suggested that we start a competition? I will save you the time, it does NOT exist. That is because, they once again have lied. When I first started to post over there I had my posts deleted and or changed. When that didnt work, they banned me.
By the by. One of my last posts over there (which was deleted) was on mothers day. Some of the USA hating liberals were talking about how much republicans hate mothers (this was on a "happy" Mothers day post by the way) Since they made it political, I thanked all of the mothers who chose not to murder their children while in their wombs. Guess what. The liberals foud the comment offensive. I myself find murdering unborn children offensive, but hey.......thats just me.
May 16, 2008, 7:16:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tony
Keiths drawing them in...And O'reilly's always talking about the 25-54 demo. being the most important one.
May 14th they were neck&neck at 507
HSUK | 05.16.08 - 7:00 pm | #
To tell you the truth that line about 25-54 being most important was Keith's. But then when he started to take a hit in the demo he, for some unknown reason decided not to mention it anymore. But somehow I am willing to bet that it is now important again.
May 16, 2008, 7:19:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Tony, right back atcha!
I am liking you more and more too!
May 16, 2008, 7:22:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Grammie | 05.16.08 - 7:17 pm |
That's true.....But keith has staying power....Billo is puffing and panting just yards from the starting stalls.
May 16, 2008, 7:25:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Time will tell.
May 16, 2008, 7:29:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Gen Escape Goat- Old Style Dry
"The only one to mention J$P that you offer is john t, who is one of the newshound's posters!"
Yeah he mentioned it because, drum roll please...They were sent there by Tony. Yes, he mentioned it because there were actually 4 regular posters here that were on NHs for the only reason to, " feel like having some fun go over there and light some fuses."
The only point I'm trying to make is that Tony got caught sending people from here over there with the only intention of starting trouble and then got caught lying about it.
I would assume that the reason you were having posts deleted that day was because at least 5 (I forgot about Dan Tana) showed up at once and just started posting craziness, I will admit that Grammie was reasonable, however when you are seen as one of the same group as Tony, Dan Tana, steve and olbysucks, you're going to be pigeon holed as one of them. Either get used to it or find a better group to associate with.
One more thing, The words,"I keep reading" , "gets so much attention"
implies, several. Many. Quite a few.
From my brief perusal of this site, 4 or 5 seems to mean a whole bunch.
I believe this is maybe my 5 post here. I've only seen posts from maybe 3 regular newshounds here. There might be a few more, but I have not seen them. On Newshounds, I only see you mentioned once in a while and that is only because some of your regulars are over there posting nonsense to cause trouble.
It's never, "I wonder what J$ is up to?" It's, "Looks like J$ people are over trying to cause trouble."
But I digress, quickly back to my main point. The reason why Tony was banned has a documented trail. Tony also is known as posting craziness over there to the point of a running joke of a dare to anyone that can have a focused and on topic exchange with her. So the 'ol woe is me defense ain't working and nobody is buying it.
May 16, 2008, 7:34:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I'm sure it's just a coincidence that all of a sudden a flock of NH regulars are over here. Sheer coincidence. I suppose it's just coincidence that at NH a poster challenged me to reply to something at NH, and when I did, my reply was deleted (because it exposed another of Deborah's doctored quotes). And--more coincidence--in just a few days time, there were several posts in different threads by "different" NH posters about how over here I rush to delete any post I don't agree with so that's why it's OK to delete my posts at NH. For all I know some of those liars who made that last claim may be the same people who suddenly showed up over here.
Yeah, that's all coincidence. But thank you for your comment.
May 16, 2008, 7:43:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tony
But I digress, quickly back to my main point. The reason why Tony was banned has a documented trail. Tony also is known as posting craziness over there to the point of a running joke of a dare to anyone that can have a focused and on topic exchange with her. So the 'ol woe is me defense ain't working and nobody is buying it.
Gen Escape Goat- Old Style Dry | Homepage | 05.16.08 - 7:39 pm | #
Goat: The running "joke" is from the same people who changed and or deleted my posts over there. And save the time of trying to convince anyone over here that that is not true since I have seen the same claim by several members of this board.
And there was never a "woe is me". There was a pissed off "Those bunch of hypocritical bastards" me. They banned me yet continued to talk about me. Then they (you) come over here and defend banning me. And if I was a troll over there, that makes you a troll over here, so be gone! (But Im sure that you have a different set of rules for that too)
May 16, 2008, 7:46:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Imagine if a Democrat suggested the U.S turned to terrorism to fight Iran...Like McInerney suggested....Unbelievable.
keith is on the ball as usual naming McInerney worst person in the world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECA_6df9cqE
May 16, 2008, 8:05:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"Yeah he mentioned it because, drum roll please...They were sent there by Tony."
Goat, no one sends me anywhere unless I want to go based on the info, which I will accept or reject based upon my own experience when I am there. What piqued my attention to comment at NH was borne out in spades once I got there.
Whether you realize it or not this statement from you bears witness to the charges leveled against NH here:
"I will admit that Grammie was reasonable, however when you are seen as one of the same group as Tony, Dan Tana, steve and olbysucks, you're going to be pigeon holed as one of them. "
To illustrate what I mean do you judge all black men by Willy Horton or do you judge them as individuals? Do you judge all southerners by James Earl Ray or do you judge them by individuals? Do you judge Greta of FNC as Ilsa the She Wolf of the SS or do you judge her as an individual?
May 16, 2008, 8:08:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
SHUK, how about a link to the source material that KO based his McInerney hit piece on?
Whenever I have delved deeper into what KO bases his schict on it is very seldom, if ever, based on source materials. It frequently distorts the source material beyond all recognition b/c he uses partisan intermediary sources that have sliced and diced things beyond recognition.
May 16, 2008, 8:38:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
I feel another Jesse Watters ambush coming on...Then Billo, Bull Snorting back in the studio about how liberal Madison is...And to boycott them at once.
"I am in the airport in Madison and an employee in uniform just came up to me and said, you did not hear this from me but we cant watch Fox in this airport we are not allowed to but we sneak it in an office we can only have the other cables on the airport televisions..by direction of one of the members of the Board of County supervisors "
http://gretawire.foxnews.com/2008/05/16/airport-tip/
May 16, 2008, 8:41:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Grammie | 05.16.08 - 8:43 pm |
Fox News good enough?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GUVTbLEKgA
May 16, 2008, 8:46:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> I feel another Jesse Watters ambush coming on...
Please, I am going to ask this just one more time. Do not post links in the comments that I have already spent the time and effort to find and post in my daily links posts. It's repetitive, clogs up the comment threads unnecessarily, and therefore makes them less user-friendly. I hope this is not asking too much.
May 16, 2008, 8:49:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> how about a link to the source material that KO based his McInerney hit piece on?
The source was Media Matters of course. Do you really think Olby EVER researches anything. of course not, that work is all outsourced to Blue Blogs. Also be advised that the clip has been edited and is not the full interview; though it does present the General's plan fairly, it does not represent the tenor of the discussion since much that was stated earlier, particularly by Greg Kelly, was snipped out.
All the hubbub about this ancient story seems oddly contrived, given that McInerney has been advocating his three-point plan for at least two years. He's written about it, spoken about it, interviewed about it. But only now did Media Matters take this appearance, from I think several months ago (at least several weeks ago) and decide it was worth writing about. And, by an amazing coincidence, Keith Olbermann ALSO suddenly decided to make this appearance newsworthy. But then, we know where Keithy gets his material from.
May 16, 2008, 9:00:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
J$...If you keep spinning like that...The next thing you'll know, Billo will be parachuting you into "the spin zone" for advice.
May 16, 2008, 9:13:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tony
Johnny: Me think-ith that HSUK is TRYing to get banned, so he can go back to Newshounds and say, "see they do it too".
Sorry HSUK, although that would be more than enough to get you banned from Newshounds.......
May 16, 2008, 9:16:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
I'll see you all in the weekend thread, unless more disruptions take place there.
May 16, 2008, 9:19:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> J$...If you keep spinning like that...
How so? Did I say something wrong? Please specify where I am in error.
May 16, 2008, 9:24:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
"Bill O'Reilly Goes Crazy Remix"-HSUK
Did you notice that I posted that link yesterday?
"Just curious....But how many here have a "no spin" shirt?"-HSUK
I have a "No Spin" magnet on my Jeep, does that count?
Regarding Goat et al complaining that they only see J$P mentioned at NHs very infrequently, can you guess why? It might be mentioned a lot more often than you guess, but you never end up seeing it because it's deleted on sight.
May 16, 2008, 9:28:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
It doesn't matter if the source was Media Matters....Or the clip posted on YouTube(actual footage)....All Americans should be outraged at McInerney even suggesting the U.S turns its hand to terrorism....The very thing you're fighting against.
May 16, 2008, 9:33:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Fine that's your opinion. I've seen Media Matters quote-crop and distort on occasion. They are a Partisan source, not a news source, and so are a dubious resource for an alleged "journalist" to outsource his research to. That's a matter of opinion.
But that doesn't answer my question: what did I say that was incorrect?
May 16, 2008, 9:39:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Thanks, J$.
Perhaps b/c of the age I grew up in I don't find it particularly upsetting that we, the USA, finance and/or take part in covert actions against regimes such as Fidel's Cuba and the current government in Iran.
In fact I think we would be a lot better off now if Jimmah Carter had not rolled over and begged to have his tummy rubbed by the Ayatollah Khomeinie (sp) and Breshnev (sp).
May 16, 2008, 9:39:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
HSUK, regarding the Greta airport link you posted, as a frequent traveler I've noticed that they overwhelmingly show CNN with MSNBC as a distant second. I have yet to see one that plays FNC. Restaurants as well. I've complimented the managers of more than one restaurant for having FNC on their TVs.
May 16, 2008, 9:44:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
FF, I think SHUK already got in trouble at NH.
Not too long back I saw someones' ISP published after being deleted/banned and the mod identified it as being from the UK.
I am sure that SHUK used a phrase here and noted that that was the terminology in the UK, where he was.
May 16, 2008, 9:47:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
J$...You can't say 100% where Keith sourced this story from....I say straight from Fox news....You say Media Matters....Who's right?
May 16, 2008, 9:48:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Interesting info, Grammie. Are you saying that HSUK discussed his enjoyment of sucking on *cigarettes*?
May 16, 2008, 9:53:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Grammie | 05.16.08 - 9:52 pm |
Well considering my name has UK in it...Your on safe ground there...But to then conclude I'm the only UK resident that post on NH...Is a bit of a reach.
May 16, 2008, 9:56:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> .I say straight from Fox news....You say Media Matters....Who's right?
I am. Of course. Besides, it was on Fox News months ago, and in Media Matters just this week. Q.E.D.
May 16, 2008, 9:58:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
"Besides, it was on Fox News months ago"
If it was on Fox months ago...That means the "Pentagon's News Pundits" scam hadn't been published yet....So were these really McInerney thought or were they talking points straight from the Pentagon?
May 16, 2008, 10:10:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I don't know. If there were a bunch of other pundits saying the same thing, then it might have been the Pentagon's idea. But then, if a bunch of other pundits were saying the same thing, why single out McInerney?
May 16, 2008, 10:16:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"Well considering my name has UK in it...Your on safe ground there...But to then conclude I'm the only UK resident that post on NH...Is a bit of a reach.
HSUK | 05.16.08 - 10:01 pm |"
No, dear, I did not base my comment on your screen name but rather on your indicating that you used a term (math or maths) as it would be used in the UK.
Of course both NH and J$P could have hordes of commenters from the UK. However, I would love to place a bet that the UK poster at NH is the same UK poster here.
May 16, 2008, 10:19:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
"why single out McInerney?"
Maybe they were trying to quietly pitch the idea to folk (FNC viewers) who (may) think more along their lines to see what reaction they got there 1st...Before moving further afield.
Grammie | 05.16.08 - 10:24 pm |
If I have been band from NH...Then it's news to me.
May 16, 2008, 10:28:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Maybe they were trying to quietly pitch the idea to folk
So let's see. To quietly pitch the idea they go on the most-watched cable news channel in the country, but only after McInerney has been proposing this notion for over a year in print and in speeches. Yeah, that's the way to pitch it quietly.
I'm not sure what purpose any of this ancillary discusson serves but I assume it is serving some purpose for you.
May 16, 2008, 10:36:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
"McInerney has been proposing this notion for over a year "
johnny dollar | Homepage | 05.16.08 - 10:41 pm |
But how long has the Pundits scam been going?
I knew you'd leap on my "quietly" reference the moment I posted.
May 16, 2008, 10:42:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Hater
Seriously, folks..what's with the Olbermann fetish?
May 16, 2008, 10:46:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Hater | 05.16.08 - 10:51 pm |
It's just nice to see a counterbalance to the Bull Snorting O'reilly
May 16, 2008, 10:53:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
"Bull Snorting O'Reilly" has more intelligence (and ratings) in his left nut than KO has in his entire psychotic body.
May 16, 2008, 10:59:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HSUK
Fox Fan how can you be sure that Billo is playing with a full set of nuts....He may not have a left nut....So your argument fall flat on its face.
May 16, 2008, 11:10:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Well, Shuk, I don't know what the "band" that you mention is.
However, I used the phrase "deleted/banned" b/c I didn't and don't remember exactly the context of the ISP publication was over at NH.
I notice you have raised doubts w/o declaring that you are not the SHUK at NH. Would you be amenable to J$ comparing your ISP here to the ISP that was published at NH to settle the issue once and for all.
May 16, 2008, 11:21:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
hsuk get banned from the dog pound? You're kidding, right?
May 17, 2008, 3:10:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I think News Hounds has been minus several of their left nuts lately.
May 17, 2008, 4:42:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
Would you be amenable to J$ comparing your ISP here to the ISP that was published at NH to settle the issue once and for all.
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A special return visit in the hopes of adding a bit of sanity to cyberspace -
For the love of God, woman, does your paranoia know no bounds? Must you turn every place you land into wasteland? This is such a good, solid site. Can't you limit you devastation to OW?
May 17, 2008, 10:15:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I don't read comments at OW, but Grammie's posts here tend to be very tame. As yours usually are, OTM. Please don't change that!
May 17, 2008, 11:33:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
All right, seems I have to remind people of this again. Please do not attack other posters. Attack the message, not the messenger. I'm getting tired of repeating this so that means next time I won't bother.
May 17, 2008, 11:56:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
For the love of God, woman, does your paranoia know no bounds?
by 'otm'
Oh, the irony....
May 17, 2008, 11:58:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I have nothing against the Iranian people, another war will kill thousands of innocents on both sides.
FrankC | 05.18.08 - 9:11 am | #
Now, why would you? They only want to eradicate Jews. What's not to like? (heavy on the sarcasm)
May 18, 2008, 1:36:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tess
But But Doocy said Obama attended a Madrassa! He also added this is Huge!
Didnt the Fox and friends report that the person that might have tipped of the FBI about the sect in Texas was an Obama super delegate. Then in the next sentence they say this in no way has anything to do with Obama. Is this huge also This is the station that has alerts on Bush getting out of an airplane and bush being at T ball games.
May 18, 2008, 4:30:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"tess | 05.18.08 - 4:35 pm | # "
How about having a nice cup of Chamomile tea and once you've calmed down post your comment in a more peaceful manner and with enough detail and citations that others can follow it.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Thanks,
May 18, 2008, 5:01:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tess
I hate tea, and I am at peace with myself. No need for details and citations. Obama attending Madrassa, trying to smear Obama with whatever bit of rumor is out there and stupid Fox alerts is what FNC is all about, The only thing about me is that I am quite old and have lost some of my bearings.
May 18, 2008, 5:56:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
john t
olby sucks | Homepage | 05.18.08 - 1:41 pm
Pretty pathetic when you have to bring comments over from another blog to bitch and moan about.
May 18, 2008, 6:06:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Thanks, johnt. Frankc is one of yours, embrace him!
May 18, 2008, 6:15:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Tess, are you trying to tell us that Obama isn't a Muslim? You should educate yourself and watch the news sometime!
/snark
May 18, 2008, 6:16:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Gee, john t is here to tell us about what pathetic is. I'm sure he knows everything about it.
May 18, 2008, 6:18:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
OK, Tess, I understand you now. You are not one for examples, quotations and/or citations to back up your "feelings" about anything.
Dear, it may be good enough for you that you absolutely trust in your emotional reactions even beyond any concrete evidence that may dispute your feelings but that won't stand up when you are in a debate with people such as I who depend more on facts than emotions.
May 18, 2008, 6:19:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Grammie, tess isn't here to debate anything as proven by her last post. Specifically, her last sentence.
May 18, 2008, 6:21:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tess
What i said was that Doocy said that Obama attented a madrassa school and this was huge. They also said that the person that tipped the FBI about the religious sect in Texas was a super delegate for Obama and in the next sentence they say this has in no way have to do with Obama. Then Fnc has all this alerts about Bush steping of a plane and Bush at a T ball game. This is concrete evidence about was was on Fox. This is stuff that was on Fox All I am saying is that this kind of reporting that is FNC in a nutshell.
May 18, 2008, 6:37:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Is this the same Fox News that spent the entire day yesterday fawning over Ted Kennedy? I couldn't count how many times I saw Kennedy staffers and supporters interviewed or how many scores of well wishes there were.
It's more of that eeevil right-wing propoganda from Fox!
May 18, 2008, 6:43:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Correction: Fox is evil propaganda, not propoganda.
May 18, 2008, 6:45:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Good point, ff. It was 'all ted' yesterday. 'tess' has to go back 6 months to find little granules tha aren't even big enough to be called dirt. Her desperation is showing, again.....
May 18, 2008, 6:50:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Tess, I have heard that FNC did carry a madrassa story about Obama that they picked up from another outlet and it turned out to be grossly exaggerated. I understand your comment to mean something different, ie they stuck with the story and never retracted it. That is the what I am requesting citations on.
Whatever bothers you about FNC "alerts" to announce that the POTUS has arrived somewhere is not clear to me. I seem to remember seeing this type of unscheduled announcements about the POTUS, and sometimes the FLOTUS and FBOTUS, many times.
As for an Obama Superdelegate being involved in whatever about a cult yada, yada, yada I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
That is why I am asking for some citations and a bit more concise statement of what you mean.
Oh, Tess, save this:
"The only thing about me is that I am quite old and have lost some of my bearings."
for the younguns. I've been around the block more times than I care to admit.
May 18, 2008, 6:56:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
"I've been around the block more times than I care to admit."
Grannie, you sly vixen!
May 18, 2008, 7:39:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Oops, "Grammie".
May 18, 2008, 7:40:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
FF, you know the way to a, uhum, girl's heart.
One is only as old as their mind and spirit is. Now, if only I could get my bod in gear!
May 18, 2008, 7:44:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Grammie, it sounds like "tess" is picking up half-truths and lies from a certain dishonest website again. The story about the "Obama superdelegate" and the cult is that when a phone tipster led to the raid of a Texas cult compound where many children were taken into custody, there was a claim of abuse. That claim was apparently made up by the tipster, who concocted the story of a nonexistent "Sarah".
Now on to the Obama connection: it was reported, not just by Fox but by others as well, that this fraudulent tipster was a delegate pledged to Obama. This is in fact correct. She was elected as a pledged Obama delegate to the state convention. Of course Fox never said she was a national convention delegate, let alone a super delegate. That fiction is part of the ruse the Fox haters use to try to create a journalistic "scandal" where none exists.
May 18, 2008, 8:19:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I just saw the "Frank Olbermann" quote on Red Eye, I'm sure it was intentional just to tweak Keith. Catching up on the weekend DVR...
My guess is that tess won't be back tonight after her entire argument was defused. Way to spoil the fun johnny!
May 18, 2008, 9:18:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
JD, outstanding job on the blog. Hope all the hard work is paying off, some how.
May 18, 2008, 9:26:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tess
Nothing that I said were half truths. I just made observations. Geesh! I was away at a wake. What argument was diffused? I did not get my info from any website. The Madrassa story and the Obama delegate story was from Fox and Friends. The alert story is from the fox shows. Geesh I am just a Fox critic. I did not use any bad language or was rude to anyone and yet its Tess this and Tess that. Hey but thats ok I will always call them as I see them.
May 18, 2008, 10:33:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Hey, calling 'em as you see 'em is what comments threads are all about. But you have to expect that people are going to challenge you if they don't agree. We aren't an echo chamber here that only allows one point of view. So keep on calling 'em as you see 'em, but don't get upset if others see 'em differently.
May 18, 2008, 10:54:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tess
I am not upset.
May 18, 2008, 11:03:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
If you require explanation of the defusing, the Obama delegate you've been ranting about all day was correctly identified as the caller reporting the sect. No Fox error there.
That said, dissenting opinion is welcomed here as J$ says. I prefer some color in the coversation myself. Welcome to the site, tess.
May 18, 2008, 11:13:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
