Tuesday Links & Open Thread
Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:
Another Obama/Osama blunder.
Get ready for a hotroll.
Monday's numbers. Weekend numbers.
Pix: Greta with Nancy Pelosi.
Lou Dobbs jumps the shark?
Kinky Friedman:
O'Reilly and me.
David Asman re-ups.
AC360: Karl Rove played the race card?
GQ: TV's hottest political team? Arianna: Olbermann for Meet the Press?
Audacious advert.
Hotline quotes.
Cablers gain.
Amanpour replaces Russert.
Freebie flap (via ICN).
Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply. fox news cablenews
On The Mark
The "Cablers' Gain" piece, which is considerably heavier on entertainment programming than news, presents information that is not all that surprising.
Broadcast news will continue to dominate for some time, if for no other reason than inertia and the fact that many people still don't have cable/satellite. I also think many people still simply don't trust cable news. They want the imprimatur of ABC, CBS or NBC on their news. In any event, we are looking at roughly 25M vs. 3.5M for the key news periods. So, it is very important to keep in mind that the cable news audience remains relatively small. The election cycle may portend the first significant trend away from this, but there is still a very long way to go.
In the much broader world of entertainment, my own personal experience is that I seldom have any of the broadcast networks on anymore. Everything seems to be of the reality genre, and that is about as far removed from either reality or entertainment as possible. Nothing but crap as best I can tell.
June 24, 2008, 7:43:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply
SteveMG
If Huffington thinks Olbermann challenges the "conventional wisdom", she has a strange definition of CW. And a stranger definition of "challenge".
E.g., the conventional wisdom that says we must pull out of Iraq? The "CW" that says we must negotiate with Iran?
Yep, those conventional views are always challenged by Olbermann.
June 24, 2008, 9:47:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
The Olbermann article was fun, but that isn't going to happen. I do think, after the well-chosen interim, we may be looking outside the box. No one is going to be Russert and shouldn't be. There was some speculation about Couric, and I think one of the links here even led in that direction. I don't think that is likely, either. I wouldn't be surprised to see Couric on some semi-vacuous cable news show, but I think seriously journalism passed her up some time ago.
The dumb blonde joke was priceless!
June 24, 2008, 9:49:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
I don't think Mr. Woodward has to worry about what Ms. Huffington thinks of him, however the reversal of respect and disdain on her part (respect for Olbermann and disrespect for Woodward) represents her poor judgement.
Truth is truth, and THAT is what journalists are supposed to seek....And sometimes the conventional wisdom is right, sometimes it is wrong. Simply "challenging it" for the sake of it is a silly, half-baked conclusion. This also implies that unconventional sources are usually right....well....we know that is not the case.
Challenging conventional wisdom also means facing it, for real and allowing the representative of that perspective to have his/her opportunity to present the evidence supporting their case....another thing Olbermann has never done.
I loathe a world run by the arrogant left as represented by Olbermann and Huffington.
June 24, 2008, 10:15:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Johnny, your headline of "Amanispour replaces Russert" gave me a mild tremor. After reading discovering it's just for a speech. Sheesh.
June 24, 2008, 11:03:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
What a great lecture series. I heard Amanpour and Rubin at a small event a couple of years ago. What wonderful and different perspectives they offer. I've never seen anyone as skilled at refraining from cross-cultural judgments as Amanpour, and, because that can get a bit esoteric, Rubin grounds her very well. He's a master of common sense and balanced diplomacy. I'd love to attend this.
June 24, 2008, 11:35:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Chris Jones
Nice find on the Kinky article, very funny stuff
June 24, 2008, 12:55:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
From the GQ piece above, this phrase:
---- Dubyas long good-bye has demoted Rupert Murdochs infernal machine to the News Channel Time Forgot ....
Lots of perspective, lots of wisdom in that analysis. I don't see FNC in some donward spiral as others do, but it sure seems to be treading increasingly brackish water. I don't think Ailes is ever much for change, but Murdoch always knows the direction of the wind. Some fun and fascinating changes are in order at FNC!
June 24, 2008, 12:55:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"Heres an inconvenient truth, Keith: You should be rooting for John McCain."
Olbermahn isn't smart enough to understand that if obama steals this election, Meltdown is toast. Orangy will have no schtick.
June 24, 2008, 1:02:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
That Kinky piece is off the hook!
June 24, 2008, 1:42:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Yeah, I think it's the Link of the Day.
June 24, 2008, 1:58:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"But the media is especially compliant where it concerns the Obama campaigns graphic designs, displays that can be so easily compared to religious iconography or even old style communist propaganda."
Interesting stuff, Chris.
June 24, 2008, 2:34:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
It'll be interesting to see what Ingrahams ratings are for "Just In"
When she hosts "The Factor" the ratings plummet....This has happened the last few weeks when she's the host.
June 24, 2008, 3:14:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Didn't she clobber Obermahn last fri, patsy?
June 24, 2008, 3:38:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
That is very good news about Asman. He is just about my favorite business reporter on television.
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The Rove piece is also interesting. I suspect he will fast become a liability, an albatross for Senator McCain. I don't imagine Senator McCain is happy to have Turdblossom on the tele as much as he is, thanks to FNC. I saw, bring him on. Every night. All night.
The guy making the snide remark reference .... Classic. A self-portrait of Turdblossom.
June 24, 2008, 3:41:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 3:43 pm |
No Slob Yucks
June 24, 2008, 3:51:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
How fascinating that those who so denigrate Olbermann put him forth as the standard by which others are judged.
June 24, 2008, 3:52:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
A new form of Pig Latin. Wondrous. I was tiring of the old dialect. Slob Yucks. Marvelous!
June 24, 2008, 3:54:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
No Slob Yucks
HaggisFarmer | 06.24.08 - 3:56 pm | #
What, no proof, patsy? Post the numbers.
June 24, 2008, 3:55:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Hitler is often used as a measuring standard for evil by the people who denigrate him. That is as fascinating as the Olby thing . . . I guess.
June 24, 2008, 4:00:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
How fascinating that those who so denigrate Olbermann put him forth as the standard by which others are judged.
On The Mark | 06.24.08 - 3:57 pm | #
Who did that? I sure didn't and don't.
June 24, 2008, 4:00:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 4:00 pm |
There you go Slob Yucks....25-54 demo
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/the_scoreboard_friday_june_13_87270.asp
June 24, 2008, 4:05:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I just got around to watching the Hasselbeck interview on H&C. [I went to the H&C's website]. Hasselbeck was pretty and charming. and she exuded more intelligence than people give her credit for,
They showed pictures of her seated at the table when Michele Obama was the guest. I counted 5 liberals with Michele being the only conservative. Can you imagine what would happen if Fox put on a show that was so unbalanced against liberals (i.e., 5 conservatives to one lib). Can you imagine how the libs would howl?
Yet no one says anything about ABC's grossly imbalanced panel on the view. And no one said anything about the Captial Gang, an old CNN show,which often featured a similarly unbalanced disucussion.
June 24, 2008, 4:08:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Patience OS,
Haggis loves to post various kinds of links; except the one he promised to post.
June 24, 2008, 4:10:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Haggisfarmer, thank you for pointing out that KO beat The Factor in that demo on a day when BOR was NOT hosting.
June 24, 2008, 4:11:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Michele Obama was the guest = Michele Obama was the guest host.
June 24, 2008, 4:11:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
danny | 06.24.08 - 4:13 pm |
NEWS FLASH
It's not a political show...It's a general chat show primarily for females
June 24, 2008, 4:11:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Ashley | 06.24.08 - 4:16 pm |
Ashley, please pay attention...Check my original post.
June 24, 2008, 4:13:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Olbyloon Ed/Debunking Patsy
8PM - P2+ (25-54)
The OReilly Factor- 1,888,000 viewers (379,000) (Note: Laura Ingraham subbing for OReilly)
Countdown w/ Olbermann 1,175,000 viewers (436,000)
June 24, 2008, 4:13:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF
NEWSFLASH yourself
It often is a political show (probably most often) It certainly was a political show on the shows from which the clips (shown on H&C) were taken.
June 24, 2008, 4:15:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 4:18 pm |
We're not back to this old chestnut....Link to your proof Slob Yucks
June 24, 2008, 4:19:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Hitler is often used as a measuring standard for evil by the people who denigrate him.
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Indeed, and by those who don't denigrate him, as well. I have never understood anyone doing this as, if we have learned anything from history, it is that Herr Shicklgruber Herr war einzigartig. One of a kind.
June 24, 2008, 4:19:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
For the rest of this week I will be updating and checking in on a more sporadic basis due to family matters that take precedence. However I do expect discussions here to be civil and on-topic. If things get out of hand I won't have time to fiddle around, I may just have to turn on moderation for all comments so nothing will appear until it is approved. I would rather not so that, so this is a friendly request to keep the rules in mind as you comment over the next few days. (Of course you should keep them in mind all the time, but the next few days especially!) Thank you so much.
June 24, 2008, 4:19:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF
When you said check out my original post, were you talking about a post that did not contain the link you promised.
June 24, 2008, 4:20:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Take care of the family. In the end, it is all that matters. My best ....
June 24, 2008, 4:21:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Hf,
I don't really think you have the right to tell another poster link to your proof. You first.
June 24, 2008, 4:21:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Laura pulls 700,000 more viewers than orangy, proof.
June 24, 2008, 4:21:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Enjoy your time w/family, Johnny.
June 24, 2008, 4:24:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 4:24 pm |
J$...
Family always comes 1st...But you can count on me checking the rules before posting...Mike will also be along to keep everyone in line :lol:
June 24, 2008, 4:26:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 4:26 pm |
link please Slob...
June 24, 2008, 4:27:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Herr Shicklgruber Herr war einzigartig. One of a kind.
In that way, you believe Hitler to be different from Joseph Stalin. There are a lot of Stalins walking around. Right?
You wouldn't hesitate to liken someone who is connected to Cable news to Stalin, Would you?
June 24, 2008, 4:33:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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June 24, 2008, 4:35:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
The main thing I have against Dick Morris is that he helped save Clinton during his off year elections.
Though he is far from being a perfect political prognosticator I think he still has much political savvy and I enjoy listening to him. He says that Hillary would be a disasterous VP choice for Obama and I believe Morris is right.
June 24, 2008, 4:42:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Of course, one Vissarionovich is one too many, but I do think Vissarionovich lacks the, je ne sais quoi, unicité ou originalité of the Shicklgruber. There are Vissarionovich's amongst us every day.
June 24, 2008, 4:43:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Hillary would be a disasterous VP
danny | 06.24.08 - 4:47 pm |
Now fancy that....I wouldn't have expected anything else.
June 24, 2008, 4:48:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OTM
I am not going to debate whether or not there are many Stalins and only one Hitler. That would be grossly off topic. I'll just stop at saying that I think it is fascinating that you have that POV.
June 24, 2008, 4:48:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Meine Frau has given me strict instructions to mute the television as soon as Morris comes on lest I lose my television viewing privileges. I don't know if it is that Morris is wrong almost as often as Kristol or the toe-sucking thing or just the general yuckiness, reminiscent of a man who has just eaten a very large, greasy and undercooked chicken fried steak slathered with partially congealed cream gravy and is belching all about.
June 24, 2008, 4:50:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
You have already told us what you expect. You expect . . . crap.
June 24, 2008, 4:50:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Keith couldn't be more right picking crowley as WPitW
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#25338750
If you haven't heard the garbage Crowley was spewing...Check link below.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200806200006?f=s_search
June 24, 2008, 4:54:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OTM,
As much as you say you dislike hearing him I enjoy his commentary. In fact, I like it so much that I am on his mailing list. Though Morris is no saint, Bill Clinton's sexual improprieties disgust me more than anything Morris may or may not have done.
But I don't want to debate with you whose improprieties were the worse. That was just a passing comment.
June 24, 2008, 4:58:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
I for one am not going to any of your links until you provide the one you promised.
June 24, 2008, 4:59:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
danny | 06.24.08 - 5:04 pm |
Hannity wants US soldier killed/injured so he can get war with Iran.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvm1iDz-fHQ
June 24, 2008, 5:06:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
If you will listen to the tape, you will find that Hannity's exact quote is this: I hope that if one more marine is killed in Iraq that we are prepared to use that force. At no time did he say that he would be happy to see a U.S. marine killed.
HOw on earth you can interpret this as being hate speech is beyond me. Maybe you need to take the red pill!
June 24, 2008, 5:22:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
The uniform they put on Hannity reminds me of the ridicule Winston Churchill suffered when he advocated Brit's siding with the White Russians in their war against the followers of Lenin.
Cartoonists even put a French uniform on Churchill, comparing his proposed policy to Napoleon's.
Churchill's speech was not hate speech and neither is Hannity's.
June 24, 2008, 5:22:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Asman really had no other choice but resign with FBC/FNC....No one else would have him.
June 24, 2008, 5:23:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Oops...should be sign
June 24, 2008, 5:26:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
No cigar on your first attempt. You weren't even close.
Since this forum is supposed to be about cable news shows may you can find Hannity's hate speech on his cable news show. Should be easy since you think he spews hate all the time,.
June 24, 2008, 5:27:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
Olbermann presented Couric as an object of derision and hatred. He called her the worst person in the world. That means she is worse than Manson or the genocidal manics in Burma. Find me Hannity hate speech like that.
June 24, 2008, 5:31:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Maybe you need to take the red pill!
danny | 06.24.08 - 5:27 pm |
No Cigar.....But I do like the sound of those pills...Please elaborate!
June 24, 2008, 5:32:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
Are you really that ignorant of popular culture? In the movie. the matrix the hero was given a choice of taking a red pill or a blue pill. Take the red pill and he would see reality; take the blue pill and he could keep on dreaming, and he would even forget that he was offered the choice,
That scene touched a nerve with many people. Much as been written on the subject of the red and blue pill.
I am surprised you did not know.
June 24, 2008, 5:37:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Since this forum is supposed to be about cable news shows
Thank you!
June 24, 2008, 5:37:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
danny | 06.24.08 - 5:36 pm |
:lol: :lol: Your coming across as a BOR robot with that sort of pin headishness? ramblings
June 24, 2008, 5:38:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
danny | 06.24.08 - 5:42 pm |
never seen the matrix.
June 24, 2008, 5:40:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
When people have nothing thoughtful to say on a subject, I find they often resort to namecalling and personal attacks. . . kind of like you just did.
June 24, 2008, 5:41:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
That means she is worse than Manson or the genocidal manics in Burma
danny | 06.24.08 - 5:36 pm |
I just couldn't take you seriously with stuff like this.
June 24, 2008, 5:42:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
Ok I explained the reference now unless you have something thoughtful to say about cable news . . .
June 24, 2008, 5:43:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
Too bad words mean things and that is what olby said. His tone was really harsh as well.
Find me Hannity's hate speech like that and I would say you fulfilled your promise.
June 24, 2008, 5:44:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Danny, lets just call it a draw....And MoveOn.
June 24, 2008, 5:50:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF
Sorry, I don't think I'll call it a draw (or anything like it) until you do what you promised.
I'll pass on MoveON.org as well.
June 24, 2008, 5:53:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
Anyone watch "Just In" today? Another hour of a guestlist stacked with partisan Republicans, brought to you by Republican brown noses Roger Ailes, John Moody and Laura Ingraham!
June 24, 2008, 5:56:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
From Monday's numbers - a big congrats to Laura Ingraham for her ratings against Hardball. On the air a couple of days and already beating Chris Matthews.
By the way, MoveOn does many things, but moving on is not one of them.
June 24, 2008, 5:58:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
LOL! Laura Ingraham gave her "Power to the People" award to a guy that LOST a Democratic election in the state of Kansas! Hillarious! She's kissing up to him and calling him a hero of the "people", when the people themselves decided this guy was a total douche.
Looks like Ingraham is pretty detached from what the "people" believe.
June 24, 2008, 5:59:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Eric - when Countdown and Hardball fill their shows with partisan democrats, do you comment about that and call them Democrat brown noses?
June 24, 2008, 6:00:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
Ashley - I don't watch Countdown or Hardball. So to answer to question: no.
It seems you're trying to justify your preferred news channel's bias by proclaiming a rival network is equally or more biased.
Hence, you're basically admitting Fox is full of crap. Good job.
June 24, 2008, 6:03:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
I'll watch Laura Ingraham after someone teaches her how to interview properly....I'll not hold my breath.
June 24, 2008, 6:04:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Eric | 06.24.08 - 6:08 pm |
Nicely put Eric.
June 24, 2008, 6:07:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Tsk Tsk Eric, all I did was ask you a question and you start imagining things.. You seem to hate Fox, yet you can't take your eyes off of it. Perhaps you should pay more attention to the brilliant analysis of the news basset hounds, they watch Fox so you don't have to.
Frankly Eric, of the three, Fox News comes the closest to being Fair and Balanced with CNN a far distant second and MSNBC being a Way far distant (I'm talking Pluto Orbit) third.
I never even implied that Fox is like what you said. The fact is that Fox is the most watched News Channel in our great country. Americans know quality when they see it.
June 24, 2008, 6:08:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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June 24, 2008, 6:11:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Alright, after a small stumble last week, Laura has recovered and is back #1 in the 5-6 cablenews slot. Keep on keeping it on Laura! Newshounds gritting their teeth!
June 24, 2008, 6:13:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Gee Haggy, you haven't figured that out yet? It's because American know quality when they see it.
June 24, 2008, 6:14:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
David - do you know if Laura's show is permanent or temporary? I enjoyed her old MSNBC show, I hope this one becomes permanent.
MSNBC made a big mistake letting her go.
June 24, 2008, 6:16:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Ashley | 06.24.08 - 6:21 pm |
She's only doing this show until she gets her radio show back....Most embarrassing loosing your show like that.
June 24, 2008, 6:20:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Her program is still listed under specials. It's only scheduled to go for three weeks. I imagine if the numbers stay strong it could be extended. But that will cause a conflict with her sub-hosting The Factor.
June 24, 2008, 6:20:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Who says she lost her show HF? Sounds like some contract issues grandstanding, but I'll bet she'll be back soon with a better deal for herself.
I hope she keeps her Fox show becomes permanent. It's terrific the way she is already trouncing Hardball
However HF, if you have proof she has lost her show, I'd be curious to know what that is.
June 24, 2008, 6:25:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Ashley, her show is a try out, but if she delivers the numbers, the try out will be brief and the show will be part of the mix. It's in the hands of the ratings gods. BTW, there is an army out here supporting Laura regarding the current radio nonsense and the army is growing.
June 24, 2008, 6:29:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Ashley | 06.24.08 - 6:30 pm |
Well she's not on air at the moment...So she has lost her show presently...She may be back, I don't know...Mind you her stand-in is throwing plenty hate.
June 24, 2008, 6:30:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Clarification for HF - if the "embarrassing loosing your show like that" you mention is her old MSNBC show, then I must say that it is not embarrasing at all. Being cancelled by MSNBC is a badge of honor. Who could be embarrased by that!
June 24, 2008, 6:32:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
What about poor John Gibson?...More babies...More babies.
June 24, 2008, 6:34:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
To my friend HF, Laura will be back on radio and her FoxNews show will be a keeper, so please feel free to return and represent your side of the argument. Unfortunately for you, Laura's message will be reaching millions and yours will be reaching a couple hundred.
Who said life was fair?
June 24, 2008, 6:37:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
HF, I was listening when Gibson made that remark. He was not being racist at all. Libs try to portray that as a slam against hispanics, which it absolutely was not.
June 24, 2008, 6:40:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
david smawley | 06.24.08 - 6:42 pm |
If she does all that she'll never see her newly adopted baby.
June 24, 2008, 6:41:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Danny, lets just call it a draw....And MoveOn.
HaggisFarmer | 06.24.08 - 5:55 pm | #
Olbyloon cowardess diversion. 4th one today? 5th?
June 24, 2008, 6:42:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Keep on keeping it on Laura! Newshounds gritting their teeth!
david smawley | 06.24.08 - 6:18 pm | #
And making up lies as we speak.
June 24, 2008, 6:45:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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June 24, 2008, 6:51:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
HF, please correct last post sentence structure as it appears to have some flaws.
June 24, 2008, 6:52:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
One things fer sure. He's gonna slaughter the orange faced liar!
June 24, 2008, 6:53:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
I am done tonight, but am leaving with a big smile on my face!
June 24, 2008, 6:55:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
david smawley | 06.24.08 - 6:57 pm |
Ooh it probably does.
June 24, 2008, 6:57:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 6:58 pm |
You must also admit that Bill has lied to his viewers also.
June 24, 2008, 6:59:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
It's always good fun boxing dp around.
June 24, 2008, 7:00:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
You must also admit that Bill has lied to his viewers also.
HaggisFarmer | 06.24.08 - 7:04 pm | #
According to 'newshounds' LOL!
June 24, 2008, 7:02:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I just found this article discussing the numbers between BOR and Olby: http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/o_reilly_olbermann_/2008/06/23/106813.html?s=al&promo_code=64CA-1
Of course it really doesn't say much that we did not already know. However, I did not realize that BOR has been the leader of cable news for 90 consecutive months.
Wow. Where is RK when it would be fun to talk to her?
June 24, 2008, 7:07:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
If HF were Olbermann, she would be begging for a draw.
June 24, 2008, 7:08:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
You mean 'repub killa?' That's one of hf's old friends from ow.
June 24, 2008, 7:09:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.24.08 - 7:07 pm |
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June 24, 2008, 7:10:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OS,
That's the one. Like to see her even try to make the argument that Olby is winning now.
June 24, 2008, 7:10:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Obermahn is a serial liar so his minions think it's ok to lie. Hence, newshounds.
June 24, 2008, 7:12:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Ellen Brodsky admires David Brock. David Brock is an admitted liar and smear merchant.
Ellen is the same; she just won't admit it.
June 24, 2008, 7:15:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I think we have conclusively established that:
#1 Danny does a wonderful job of hurling insults at anyone who disagrees with him, without offering substantive, relevant discussion.
#2 Jeff/Royal King/Mr. Sucks does an inane job of hurling insults at anyone who disagrees with him, without ever engaging in an understandable exchange in the English language (thereby never knowing whether he, she, it or they are even remotely on topic).
Given that, might we establish that it is possible to stay on topic for 10 minutes?
June 24, 2008, 7:21:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
To lighten the atmosphere :lol:
The OReilly Factor In One Minute
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/24/the-oreilly-factor-in-one-minute/#comments
June 24, 2008, 7:25:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OTM:
Such harsh words for mois.
Gee, does that mean that I have now risen to the level of the "infamous gang of four"? I hope so. That has long been my ambition.
Are you ready to liken me to Joe Stalin now just to show how much you hate hurling insults for no reason?
Regarding my comments about Ellen Brodsky, speaking the truth is no insult. Take you time and stroll about this site and you will find plenty of info here that backs up what I said. Or, if you like, bring that issue up again the next time we have a NH thread. I will be delighted to disucss that subject with you in more depth.
Now where is your apology and retraction for comparing Dollar to Stalin? Have you placed it on the Olbermann site yet?
Until you do you have no right to criticize anyone for insulting someone else.
June 24, 2008, 7:42:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
That will never stop her.
June 24, 2008, 8:07:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
In what I know will be a Don Quixote-like attempt to pull Danny and Mr. Sucks into something remotely on topic: poor Tony Blankley! The former Gingrich guru is now a shell of his former self. What a pathetic showing on Gregory. I think I smell an epiphany coming and a rebirth. He's bright enough that he deserves it.
June 24, 2008, 8:20:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Thanks, donquixotesrocket! I knew that was you on newshounds.
1#, bla, bla
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Trademarks. You can't fool me, philby.
June 24, 2008, 8:24:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"Big bad John." That's a cool add. Hope he wins.
June 24, 2008, 8:25:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I have to begrudgingly admit you are correct, Mr. Sucks. It is impossible to fool a fool. I think I know how Johnny and Mike must feel. Since it is impossible to keep the topic even related to cable news, I cede the blog to the malcontents and nincompoops for the evening.
June 24, 2008, 8:35:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
On The Mark | 06.24.08 - 8:40 pm | #
Aw, shucks, just when I'm joining in? I miss all the fun!
Re: The "audacious advert"- look at the comments there. Now compare the number of Olby supporters who comment with the actual viewing numbers of BOR vs. KO. Site bias? Certainly, when the site viewers are in consideration.
June 24, 2008, 8:53:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
It's a bitch being so transparent, eh, otm?
June 24, 2008, 8:58:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
Hannity & Colmes doing another great job for the Republican Party tonight, stacking their guest list and trying to claim that Obama's opposition to the Religious Right's interpretation of the constitution is a "controversy".
Apparently it's a "controversy" to oppose anything the Religious Right says, on Fox News.
Not surprising. Fox is blatantly in the tank.
June 24, 2008, 9:19:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I think that the one thing that we have proven conclusively this evening is that Mark is a master at the art of projecting.
What he accuses others of are really his own failings. He insults others for no reason (i.e dollar = Stalin) He writes posts that have nothing to do with cable news (i.e. 7:26 and 8:40). Because he lacks the courage to be honorable, he projects his failings onto others.
If OTM is still somewhere around, I am going to make one last attempt (probably futile) to bring you back to the subject of cable news.
I was watching Laura's interview of Sen Durbin on JUST IN. My Gawd I felt so sorry for the man. Under the stream of Laura's penetrating questions, he looked like a deer caught in the headlights. His face was ashen and his lips were quivering and I knew that he was totally humiliated as he himself did not believe his own answers.
Durbin was so pwned by Laura and so utterly humiliated . . . I look for him to have a complete change of heart. He must see how insipid and indefensible the Democratic platform is.I don't doubt that he will change from being a Democrat to a Republican within the near future. I say good for him.
Now OTM if you can't discuss this objective and non-partisan analysis of a cable news show . . . then you will have demonstrated yourself to be a fool (not an insult because you called OS a fool and I know you did not intend for it to be insulting) and a totally hopeless case. In that event I may have to leave.
June 24, 2008, 9:23:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
"I don't doubt that he will change from being a Democrat to a Republican within the near future. "
Yes, I'm sure a Democratic Senator is going to change and join the Republican caucus because some partisan Republican brown-nose like Laura Ingraham whined and cried that he didn't agree with her on Fox News.
Yeah, any day now, lol.
Andy Card on H&C discussing yet another OBAMA CONTROVERSY. Score one more for Fox News campaigning for the GOP.
June 24, 2008, 9:36:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Eric,
Did you watch the view when Michele Obama was on? There were five liberals ganging up on one lone conservative. And this was 5 liberals ganging up all at once; not being brought on one at a time. Where is your outrage over that? Is ABC in the tank for the Democratic party?
This is not an unusual occurrence in the media. How many times has George Will been the one lone conservative voice among two or three liberals? How many times has Bob Novak,of CNN, been the one lone conservative voice among four or five liberals.
No network is perfectly balanced. Perfection does not exist in the real world. But I tell you this, Fox's balance beats the industry standard by a long shot.
June 24, 2008, 9:37:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
"Under the stream of Laura's penetrating questions,"
LoL. "Penetrating questions"? Laura Ingraham is a partisan idiot who simply repeats Republican talking points on air. She says nothing seriously witty or insightful and her questions are standard GOP flair. They're no different than the questions posed by Cavuto, Hume, O'Reilly or the Fox & Friends hosts.
She's a partisan Republican who was hired by a partisan Republican (Ailes) to appeal to partisan Republicans (you).
June 24, 2008, 9:39:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Sure Eric. Durbin and Blankley will probably bump into each other as they switch parties.
In case you haven't guessed I was being a little satirical.
June 24, 2008, 9:39:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
"Fox's balance beats the industry standard by a long shot."
And your proof of this is what?
At least the View HAS a conservative host.
The "All-Star Panel" on the Special Report with Brit Hume does not have one. Mort Kondracke supports John McCain and is neither liberal nor a Democrat. The same can be said for Liasson. The regular format for the show is Kondracke-Barnes-Krauthammer.
Krauthammer and Barnes are both partisan conservative Republicans, and so is Hume.
So, no, as long as you watch Fox and bitch about ABC you're about as hypocritical as they come.
June 24, 2008, 9:41:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
"Are liberals happy that gas prices are so high?"
LoL. Fox in the tank for the Republican Party?
No way.
June 24, 2008, 9:43:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Eric,
Other networks hire people who have actually run Dem campaigns or been on the staff of Dem senators to be hosts of news programs. Do you mean folks like Steph or even the sainted Russert can't ask fair questions because they have been partisan? If they can why not Laura?
Be specific. Tell me one question Laura asked that was grossly partisan and unfair,
June 24, 2008, 9:45:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Eric | 06.24.08 - 9:48 pm | #
I don't know where you've been Eric, but I've seen many far-left "green" people say that it's great that prices are so high because they force people to reduce emissions. A quick search will prove this; go ahead, the internet is big.
Danny is correct, Fox isn't the one with the tingle going up its leg.
June 24, 2008, 9:48:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
"Do you mean folks like Steph or even the sainted Russert can't ask fair questions because they have been partisan? If they can why not Laura?"
No, I said that she stacked her guest list full of partisan Republicans. It's not that she asks "unfair" questions of Democrats. There is no such thing as an "unfair question". What she does not do, however, is ask questions that challenge the basic assumptions of the RIGHT, of conservatives.
And more importantly, what she does not do is provide balance by allowing an equal number of guests from the left/dems/libs. In any measurable way. Her guest list, since day one, has been absolutely STACKED with Republicans, by a margin of nearly 3-1.
That's the main problem. Which is telling. You don't often see Newsbusters provide tallies of CNN or MSNBC's guest list breakdown. Probably because Bozell knows it'll make him look like a fool if he counts up the guests and it comes out fairly balanced, or it is imbalanced, but not so much as his beloved Fox News.
The numbers are what count, at the end of the day. And at the end of the day, the Republicans are the ones who own them on Fox.
June 24, 2008, 9:50:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
The numbers are what count, at the end of the day.
Eric | 06.24.08 - 9:55 pm | #
I agree with you 100% Eric! Hooray for 90 consecutive months!
June 24, 2008, 9:51:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
The all star panel is not a show. It is a segment of a show.
If you want to play this game morning shows like today show and Good Morning America are stacked with liberals. What about Begala and Carville and Blitzer in the situations room?
Every time they do a poll of media people; Democrats vastly outnumber the the republicans. No I think that for you to carp about Fox and not be critical of other channels . . . the hypocrisy is yours.
June 24, 2008, 9:56:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
LoL, speak of the devil. Fox had to sneak Bozell in just to make sure they didn't accidentally have a balanced show tonight.
Sorry Fox Fan, you lost the argument, because you couldn't rebut a single thing I said. The numbers are what count. Republicans have a super-majority on Fox.
But among the American public? LoL.
Not so much. (Or in Congress).
June 24, 2008, 9:57:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Who's trying to rebut anything? I agreed with your closing point.
Danny is doing just fine rebutting you.
June 24, 2008, 9:59:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Eric,
Dollar has played the guest list game with you until he is blue in the face and has demonstrated balance, You have never been able to refute him.
Moreover I don't see any hosts of shows who have worked as staff members for Democratic politicians as I do on other networks.
June 24, 2008, 10:00:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Very true, danny. Every time someone here plays the numbers game with names and not claims they lose the argument.
Bring it, Eric. Numbers are what counts. *cough*90 months*cough*
June 24, 2008, 10:02:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I should have said iI don't see hosts of Fox shows who have been staff members of any as I see hosts in other channels who have been paid staff members for democratic politicans,
June 24, 2008, 10:02:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
staff members of any politican
June 24, 2008, 10:04:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Eric is known as a "leaverbe." Best if left alone.
June 24, 2008, 10:29:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
As in "leave her be"? Eric is a joke. I'm happy to see his/her counts of guests over time. FNC wins the fairness argument every time.
June 24, 2008, 10:33:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Punch out OTM (NVH), punch in Eric.
At least Eric discusses cable news. He must watch a heckofa lot of Fox News. Could that be the reason for 90 consecutive months? I vote that everyone mention 90 consecutive months in each comment.
I am trying to find the refutation of this point:
No network is perfectly balanced. Perfection does not exist in the real world. But I tell you this, Fox's balance beats the industry standard by a long shot.
danny | 06.24.08 - 9:42 pm
June 24, 2008, 10:35:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Greta is having a 1 on 1 with Pelosi right now. No interruptions, insults, or harsh critiques. FNC is obviously in the tank for democrats.
June 24, 2008, 10:37:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
But FF, Greta only does stories about missing white girls! If she does dabble in politics, it's only Rove or Gingrich she bows to.
June 24, 2008, 10:40:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Oops, and Greta introduces the successful for 90 consecutive months show on its second run.
June 24, 2008, 10:41:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Where did all the Fox haters go? Here we have the extreme left Pelosi getting tons of air time, preceding the 90 consecutive month winning host.
Isn't Fox the eeevil partisan underdog?
June 24, 2008, 10:47:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Greta's show is the only one pelosi would go near. Anyone else would eat her alive. Not in a good way, either.
June 24, 2008, 10:49:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
OS,
Follow the executive order I issued and mention 90 consecutive months in each comment.
Poof! Everyone is gone.
June 24, 2008, 10:54:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Just kidding about the executive order to mention the winner of 90 consecutive months . . .
June 24, 2008, 10:56:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I recognized the sarcasm. But for real, everyone should mention the 90 consecutive months. 90 consecutive months. *cough*90 CMs*cough*
June 24, 2008, 10:58:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I believe Johnny has a link to the add that mentions the 90 months.
June 24, 2008, 11:14:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
FF,
Mentioning that O'Reilly was #1 for 90 consecutive months is getting a little annoying so I will stop mentioning that the show was #1 for 90 consecutive months...
June 24, 2008, 11:15:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Too bad mikeh doesn't post here. He could give us his infamous "ratings don't matter" speech.
June 24, 2008, 11:23:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Sharm, O'Reilly was #1 for how many consecutive months, girl?... :D
June 24, 2008, 11:28:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny,
I hope your family doesn't do anything completely unreasonable such as keeping you away from us too long.
June 24, 2008, 11:29:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
It's no surprise or injury to Obama that Chris Matthews is mistakenly using his name when referring to someone else.
I've no doubt Matthews is also calling out Obama's name during certain tender moments too...
June 24, 2008, 11:35:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Oh, my lord! Kinky's crack re: Juan Williams is briliant!
June 24, 2008, 11:42:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Terrific GQ article! On the money!
June 25, 2008, 12:11:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
"If you want to play this game morning shows like today show and Good Morning America are stacked with liberals. What about Begala and Carville and Blitzer in the situations room?
Every time they do a poll of media people; Democrats vastly outnumber the the republicans. No I think that for you to carp about Fox and not be critical of other channels . . . the hypocrisy is yours."
Another perfect instance of hypocrisy by danny. You carp and moan about the other channels, and ignore Fox's blatant one-sideness.
Since this is a website designed to talk about "Fox News", I am the one who is not being hypocritical by talking about Fox News. Hence, by bitching about the rest of the media, you're the one being hypocritical.
You lose. Johnny has lost every argument he's ever tried to wage on the topic of guest balance regarding Fox. That's why just about no one outside of Johnny Dollar's Place is honestly stupid enough to believe Fox's motto. Most Republicans recognize the very simple fact that Fox is on their side.
June 25, 2008, 1:27:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Did you notice how upset OTM got when I criticized Ellen Brodsky? That's when he/she accused me of being insulting without reason. I think OTM has ties to Ellen and NH that OTM has not disclosed. In fact, part of his/her shtick, in the past, has been to criticize NH. However, he/she is surely quick to rise to Ellen's defense.
To coin a Shakespeare phrase: "methinks the lady doth protest too much."
June 25, 2008, 1:38:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
It's a terrible shame, Danny, that you have fallen under the spell of the same folks who turned OW into a third rate hack site where everyone parrots the same view, and then only on those rare occassions when the posters even bother to have a view and try to be on topic or indeed any topic other than their mundane selves and those who have the unbridled temerity to posit a somewhat different view, and are now trying to do the same here. Although you and I have political and philosophical views which seldom intersect, I have recognized you, virtually since the time you began posting here, as analytical, adroit and adept. You added much to on topic, meaningful discussions. Now? Who knows, perhaps you are even Mr. Sucks under yet another name, although you do appear far too articulate and coherent. It is easy to mimic stupid, but not wise. Maybe, one of the spew and spurt sisters? Maybe, even just yourself? I'll resist the crippling paranoia you all seem to so enjoy, the conspiracy theories which you all so relish, and just assume you are simply Danny.
What I find so outrageously amusing is that, even in this site's preoccupation with News Hounds, you stand out in your efforts to tie people to that site, to promote that site well beyond it importance and worth. For the record, not that you and the members of your little newly formed cabal seem to recognize the truth or even care to search for it: I have visited NH perhaps ten (10) times in the last couple of years, and posted perhaps five (5) times, although I suspect less, a number far less than the times Jeff/Royal King/Mr. Sucks has trolled there, by example. I never knew who Ellen Brodsky was until I read about her (a classical example of someone achieving fame or infamy as it would be through the publicity of one seeking to denigrate her). I think NH is an abomination of shoddy writing and spurious comments. I marvel at the free advertisement this site has given NH. Again, I am sure this is all well beyond the ability of you and the members of your cabal to accept since it doesn't fit into your preconceived and contrived notions of how a very insular and limited part of the world operates.
Frankly, none of that matters much to me. I don't value the opinions of your cabal members enough to waste the time and space.
What does matter is that the members of your cabal, having succeeded in neutering OW, turnining it into a showcase of monolithic, vacuous opinion and complacent head-nodding are now bored with it. No surprise there. No surprise they seek the limited sustenance they require elsewhere. And much like people who have left Chicago, Atlanta, Houston because they found the places unpleasant, seek to turn Madison, Savannah and Austin into the places they left, they wish to recast this good and decent in that shoddy mould. It is a strange facet of human character, but not a unique one.
So, please, enjoy the devastation you are bringing about. Hold dear to your prize. But, don't be surprised if you find the prize, when won, not worth having.
June 25, 2008, 8:21:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
"Frankly, none of that matters much to me. I don't value the opinions of your cabal members enough to waste the time and space."
---On the Mark---
Yeah, we can tell by the lengthy post...
This is just about as perfect an emblem as there can be of his grasp on reality.
June 25, 2008, 8:33:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
And, a very good morning to you, too, Cecelia. We have a faint promise of rain this morning, which would be most wlecome as we wither under the cruel sun and the relentless heat of early summe. Even then, the tomatoes and the peaches are plentiful, our skin is turning to a lovely brownish gold, and we rejoice in the fact that here at home, we are truly people of the sun.
I just posted another lengthy piece, more on topic, on another thread. I know you generally avoid topical posts, but you may enjoy this one. I encourage you to read it.
June 25, 2008, 8:59:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Reason enough to skip your post, Mark.
Enjoy your skin damage.
June 25, 2008, 9:03:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
You can spin and divert all you want, otm. Blaming us for bringing down OW? That's rich.
June 25, 2008, 12:18:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Blaming us for bringing down OW?
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So you do admit OW has been brought down, now? It's a shame! But, eventually it became like a conversation with a parrott. "Orange hair. O, Robert, you're wonderful. I just love John Gibson. Hide under the bed. Snobmessiah! Orange hair. O, Robert, you're wonderful. I just love John Gibson. Hide under the bed. Snobmessiah! Orange hair. O, Robert, you're wonderful. I just love John Gibson. Hide under the bed. Snobmessiah!" Even "I Love Lucy" grows tiresome in repetition. Shame about OW, however. So much potential there. "Orange hair. O, Robert, you're wonderful. I just love John Gibson. Hide under the bed. Snobmessiah!"
June 25, 2008, 1:36:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
