Friday Links & Open Thread
Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:
Thursday's numbers: no wonder MSNBC's flag is upside-down!
Video: Greta goes to the dogs.
What gets priority: politics or ping-pong?
Keith Olbermann: seamhead?
MSNBC flies the American flag upside-down!
Kiran's scoop.
Video: Shep Smith slip-up; Chickaboomer flashback.
Alan's hate mail.
Strange bedfellows? Maybe not, maybe so?
Common Ground expands.
Lucky Lou?
Dispatch from a forgotten war.
Dennis Miller in Texas.
Those unendurable analysts.
Q&A: Tom Brokaw.
Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news developments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply. fox news cable news
Mark
The only purpose of the Gawker article is to disseminate a tawdry innuendo. I have some problems with "Morning Joe", not because it is a poor show or a slanted show, but because Scarborough and Brzezinski are simply underperforming. They could do much better. One of my points of discomfort is the flirty banter that occurs. It is decidedly unprofessional. However, that hardly suggests, much less establishes an affair. We have flirty banterers here as well. Annoying as hell, but I hardly think Johnny and the Coquette du Moment are secreting themselves away at the Travelodge off Exit 14.
August 8, 2008, 7:53:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
"Those unendurable analysts" is not loading.
August 8, 2008, 7:59:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Oops. Fixed.
August 8, 2008, 8:11:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply
rep
Why the dennis miller link? He has no cable news show. Oh thats right...he is a republican hack so that is why fair and balanced j dollar has it here.
August 8, 2008, 8:48:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
And now, for something completely different.
We've all seen the criticism of Fox News' use of stars and stripes, red, white and blue graphics and the waving American flag animation as examples of over-the-top, hypocrytical, cynical faux patriotism pandering to its ultra-guber nationalistic audience.
Last week, my 16 year-old son pointed out that the waving American flag in MSNBC's "The Place For Politics" animation located bottom-right IS UPSIDE DOWN!!!
August 8, 2008, 9:20:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
I expect Dobbs to self-combust any day now. In fact, I may test my theory soon. As is common in this part of Texas, we have a couple of Hispanic families in our neighborhood. Fairly recent immigrants, beating the Mayflower to New England by less than 200 years, or so. I'm thinking about showing up at one of Dobb's horse shows with some of these friends and a straight jacket. I suspect the straight jacket will be put to good use.
August 8, 2008, 9:31:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply
yep
when i was 16 i was into chicks and cars not wasting my time watching cable news with a lame dad!
August 8, 2008, 9:52:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
yep, yep,
he came into the den to get on his computer so he could im with his friends from school: 'fulltimeflirt.' '2sexy,' cherrylicious,' 'your sexcbabee,' 'prettynpink,' 'soccerbabe,' 'sophiechick,' 'ladyluv,' and others.
he glanced at the tv i had on and said, "whatz up with that? they've got the American flag up side down! tools!"
August 8, 2008, 10:17:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I have to thank you for pointing out that upside-down flag. That was good enough to post, and I did.
August 8, 2008, 10:19:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
my pleasure, but the kid deserves the kudos, not his "lame dad."
btw, yep, how did you know i'm disabled?
August 8, 2008, 10:27:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
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August 8, 2008, 11:22:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
When I click the upside down flag link, I get a photo of some guy, very small window, don't see a flag.
August 8, 2008, 12:00:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
rep | 08.08.08 - 8:53 am | #
You think DM is a republican? Yikes! DM is quite liberal, but conservative in some areas, specifically the war on terror.
BTW - as a regular pundit on The Factor, he's a topic of discussion on this board.
August 8, 2008, 12:02:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I took the photo out of the link and put it right on the page. The flag is circled. It's part of MSNBC's 'place for politics' logo, and it is clearly upside down!
August 8, 2008, 12:13:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Thanks Johnny. I can almost hear the same outrage from the Newshounds on this, just as if it were FNC that made the error.
August 8, 2008, 12:40:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
But was it an error? Anyone doing an animated graphic of a flag waving (which it does on msnbc) doesn't make it upside down...unless they are told to do so. Or if they made it right to start, then somebody had to flip it upside down. I actually think this was a deliberate decision, to fly an upside-down flag. The only question is why.
On the other hand, it's Friday, Olympics are starting up, and there isn't much cable news news breaking. So a little controversy like the upside-down flag can be fun as long as it's not taken too seriously.
August 8, 2008, 12:44:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Ashley,
I am guessing that Dennis Miller is Libertarian (not saying he is a member of the Libertarian party, but that I am guessing that he is Libertarian in his political philosophy).
It's just a somewhat educated guess, but I could easily be wrong.
August 8, 2008, 1:33:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
I am certain it was not an error. It was being artistic. The flag is not upside down, it is floating in a free-form arc, which is a common enough graphic technique, one which I use in some of my video graphics.
If we are being jocular and having fun with this, great. It can be very amusing.
If we are serious and making a political point, ugh!
Proper flaq etiquette has always been that when a flag image is used for decorative purposes, bunting ought to be used instead. I see the flag used all the time for decorative purposes. I don't like that. The flag assaulting your field of vision, whether it is this MSNBC graphic or on O'Reilly or Cobert is offensive to me. If you undertake to use the flag for commercial purposes, you damn well ought to follow the proper etiquette.
I find this amusing, however. Remember when NBC developed its block N graphic only to find out that it was the logo for Nebraska public television. And, was it CBS or NBC that used a globe-like map and had to world spinning in the wrong direction, making it earlier in Deutschland than in Denver? Pretty good laughs, one and all.
August 8, 2008, 1:38:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
There is almost never a flag logo during O'Reilly's program.
August 8, 2008, 1:40:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Danny | 08.08.08 - 1:38 pm | #
Didn't think of that, but you are probably correct.
I love Miller, but I had to struggle with watching him back in the mid 90s when he want on a rant against the right during a monologe (not sure what the show was), but he used the Alf Ranken Book about Rush Limbaugh to boast about how Al really superbly tore Rush a new one.
August 8, 2008, 1:46:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
NNDB lists Miller as a white, straight, born again Republican.
Miller was also a consultant for Schwarzenegger. That raised hackles when he was hired at CNBC, but Miller and CNBC resolved the matter by concluding that although he was partisan, his show would not be.
CNBC was also concerned with an Ailes-Miller tie, but I was never sure what the concern was.
Republicans in California tried to get Miller to run against Boxer. He refused.
The evidence is pretty clear Miller is a Republican, but, and by your libertarian sense, Danny, I think it is also safe to say that Miller is far, far from a social conservative Republican.
For me, personally, it makes no difference. I view Miller as a comedian. I just don't find him funny.
August 8, 2008, 1:50:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.08.08 - 12:49 pm |
You/others didn't say that when Fox used a graphic of OBL with Obama's name underneath....Double standards?
August 8, 2008, 2:03:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I didn't say that when MSNBC did it either. Or CNN for that matter. Each was a mistake, corrected and apologized for shortly afterwards. Same standard applied to each.
On the other hand, the upside-down flag wasn't a one-time mistake that was corrected. It's been upside-down for months! I'm just curious as to why it's upside-down.
August 8, 2008, 2:26:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Mark,
You could have saved a lot of verbiage by simply saying, "Danny, you are right."
August 8, 2008, 2:38:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Be patient, Danny, I will learn. Years ago, a CYO group gave me a piece of granite, with a hand-chiseled WWJD. I found the chiseler and asked him to change the J to a D so it reads WWDD. It will be a good reminder.
August 8, 2008, 2:47:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Mark,
You could have saved a lot of verbiage by simply saying, "OK."
August 8, 2008, 2:50:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
From the Olby "Seamhead" blog
"But, no, Olbermann's a man of the left -- the U.S. left -- and he's not going to deviate from its orthodoxy.
Unless Obama changes his mind on telephone wiretapping, then K"C"O will be happy to turn on a dime.
BTW - good blog entry.
August 8, 2008, 3:13:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
Cavuto: "I just want to say officially on this show, I want to make Paris Hilton president of the United States..."
Fox must be getting desperate...Having to use Paris to prop up their talking points....Ben stein might disagree.
August 8, 2008, 3:44:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Fox must be getting desperate...Having to use Paris to prop up their talking points....Ben stein might disagree.
PurpleSmoker | 08.08.08 - 3:49 pm | #
Is that Really your analysis of the statement PurpleHelmet? I highly recommend you look up the definition of the word S A R C A S M. Your pals at Newshounds should check it out too.
August 8, 2008, 3:50:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Purple, what part of the country do you live in?
August 8, 2008, 3:52:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
I'm not from the U.S
August 8, 2008, 4:02:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Well don't keep us in suspense. What country are you from?
August 8, 2008, 4:10:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Annoying as hell, but I hardly think Johnny and the Coquette du Moment are secreting themselves away at the Travelodge off Exit 14.
Mark | 08.08.08 - 7:58 am | #
Shady Oaks Motor Inn...
August 8, 2008, 4:15:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
Why is it important to know where I'm from?
August 8, 2008, 4:16:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Why is it important for you not to tell us? If you're from an area that doesn't get FNC, then your comments on FNC can be judged as by someone who has never watched the channel. Is there some reason you want to keep your country secret? There's no rule here saying you have to disclose, so don't get the idea that you have to. It would just help put your comments in perspective.
August 8, 2008, 4:19:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I don't believe that "rumor" about Mika and Joe for one second. The Morning Joe staffers that Gawker speaks of must be trying to drum up some sort of audience.
I curious too, about Gawker came to think of Joe as a "liberal darling". He's gone suitably malleable in order to have a career... but no one but Kenneth Hagin, perhaps, would refer to him as a "liberal darling".
I like both Joe and Mika, although Mika is going over board a bit in her role as the voice of reason in the boy's club house. She's gotten to be a scold.
The piece on Olbermann was dead on the money. Olbermann's brain has gotten progressively closed to the point that it's now as tight and unmovable as Nancy Pelosi's forehead.
August 8, 2008, 4:22:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
I have no problem saying where I'm from...Was just curious to know why you wanted to know.
I'm from Ireland
August 8, 2008, 4:22:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Since you answered me I will do the same. I want to know because none of your multiple IP addresses resolve to Ireland. They resolve to places like Kalmar and India.
So that raises a question. If you have no problem telling people where in the world you are coming from, then why are you using faked IP addresses? We frown on that practice here, and in fact the use of proxies or anonymizers brings with it a presumption of malicious intent. If there is no ban in place keeping you from posting, then why all the subterfuge?
That's why I wanted to know.
August 8, 2008, 4:29:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
why all the subterfuge?
I've always used proxies...No other reason that security...I have no malicious intent, I can promise you that.
August 8, 2008, 4:35:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Further to your point, Cecelia, I like both Joe and Mika, as well, as I am sure I have noted. I have no reason to believe that Joe is anything but honest. And, I believe his show persona probably reflects him. I take some of what he has said about his Congressional and campaign experience to mean that he espoused and took positions which he knew reflected his constituents' views (and would get him elected), which in northern Florida is pretty far right. No criticism there. So, if the real Joe is what we see each morning, I'm comfortable with that. His political and social views are complex and eclectic. I think that pretty much describes all thinking people. I have Republican friends who believe the traditional and family values planks are a boatload of crap and hope they don't resurface. As a Democrat, I don't want to cede our platform enitrely to organized labor. Although I am sure you lean to the right, you strike me as someone who doesn't take all the far rightie crap as Gospel. If I haven't already been cut off for getting too political, the points I am making are: I think Joe reflects not necessarily the positions but the mindset of many, many Americans, and I think his mindset, but perhaps not is style (which I admittedly like) are more reflective of a fair and balanced view than much of what we get from others on all the cable networks.
August 8, 2008, 4:46:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Trust me... I take all the "far right crap as Gospel"...
August 8, 2008, 4:49:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
I'm as opposed to China's human rights record as the next person...But that was one unbelievable opening ceremony...Anyone else see it?
August 8, 2008, 4:54:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
PS, thank you for your response. You are perfectly free to post here; we have no security leaks, and private information is never revealed without express consent. But we do ask that you post from a real IP, not a series of proxies.
There are multiple reasons why proxies are a bad idea, at least from the viewpoint of someone who has to moderate comments. I can't stop you from posting with proxies, but given our rules just be aware that if things start to look fishy to me I will react accordingly. You might get dinged for something that isn't your fault at all, but unfortunately with the curious, sudden influx of proxy posters lately, the actions of any may be held against all. There's just no way to tell who's who.
August 8, 2008, 4:54:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
PS, American tv tape-delays the ceremony so it won't be seen here for three hours yet. Except for those border-dwellers who may have watched it on Canadian tv. But this is unrelated to cable news and therefore really not on-topic here.
August 8, 2008, 4:56:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.08.08 - 5:01 pm |
Sorry....I won't spoil it for anyone.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.08.08 - 4:59 pm |
I totally understand what your saying...But I use them, not because there might be a problem here, but because I've been stung in the past and don't want to go through it again.
August 8, 2008, 5:10:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Scott
Guess Keithina ticked off most of his viewer's, as his number's PROVE, after his jaw flapping about O'Reillys "65 to DEAD" whine the Oral'wo'mann's majority is 60 to shortly being in the 65 TO DEAD DEMO. BYE BYE Keithy. Now you can be the MESSIAH'S under the desk intern if the LIBBYS steal the election with VOTER FRAUD that they are oh so good at and as is already being proven in OHIO and with ACORN.
August 8, 2008, 5:25:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Johnny, from 11th to 13th for KO, now what say you? I think the upside down flag needs to be flown at half staff as well. This collapse is astounding at a time when Edward R O was crowing about his numbers. I really do want your analysis. If this keeps up maybe Maddow will get the slot!
August 8, 2008, 5:27:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
Don't panic folks...Keith's numbers will be back up there shortly...NBC have been airing a lot of pre-Olympic stuff...So hence some of the drop off...Nancy Grace also must be airing something different as she doesn't normally get numbers like that.(don't get her here so don't know what)
August 8, 2008, 5:45:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
The 'numbers' link has some interesting analysis. Nancy Grace was up, but not enough to account for Keith and MS being so far down. I didn't expect to see this for a second day, so that shows what I know!
August 8, 2008, 5:51:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Looks like KO's mother and father stopped watching too. Can't blame them.
August 8, 2008, 5:57:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
The only folks in a panic are the MSNBC suits. The notion that it is Olympics driven is laughable. So All of KO's audience is watching the mother station instead of political commentary? Why wouldn't other cable news shows be affected, is it possible that only MSNBC viewers are dialed into the Olympics? Hogwash!
August 8, 2008, 6:00:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
"Truthfully I have no real theory, conspiracy or otherwise, but the numbers are down."
Well I've got a conspiracy theory you'll be happy to hear....The Nielsen rating company has a glitch in their counting software and it's giving Nancy Grace every other Keith viewer to her...Only a though.
August 8, 2008, 6:02:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
david smawley | 08.08.08 - 6:05 pm |
Maybe all the Keith monitoring sites have gone on holiday...LOL
August 8, 2008, 6:09:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Wonder what ever happened to Republican Killa. She hasn't been here in a long time. Could Olby's numbers have something to do with it. hmmmmmm
August 8, 2008, 6:15:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Just for info, Danny, Republican Killa was one of the addresses picked up on the ban by Robert Cox on OW. Robert banned trolls who were "commenting" (that is being generous) under several aliases.
August 8, 2008, 6:24:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
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August 8, 2008, 6:46:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Sharm,
So RK may still be among us? Just doesn't want to show herself because her argument about KO doing so great seems shot.
August 8, 2008, 6:47:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
PS
Uh oh. You just did a no no. You posted a link Dollar had already posted yesterday.
No food for you for a week. Only slop!
[Johnny likes reality tv shows analogies; what you did is probably not bad enough for Exile Island; but pretty bad nonetheless]
August 8, 2008, 6:53:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
johnny....Sorry about that.
So what do you folk think about the article...I'm an outsider looking in and from what I've seen it's not that far from the truth.
Danny | 08.08.08 - 6:58 pm |
I don't think it's the end of the world...But I gould be wrong.
August 8, 2008, 6:59:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
PS is new here. He gets a slop pass. For now.
August 8, 2008, 7:07:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Don't panic folks...Keith's numbers will be back up there shortly...NBC have been airing a lot of pre-Olympic stuff...So hence some of the drop off...
PurpleSmoker | 08.08.08 - 5:50 pm | #
Didn't UK dweller Haggis say that MSNBC was not broadcast there?
I'm watching MSNBC right now. There is no olympic coverage, just straight news. Looks like the reporters, Andrea Mitchell, appear to be in mourning as they discuss John Edwards.
August 8, 2008, 7:21:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Where are the NH regulars that love to comment here re their MESSNBC hero's? Hiding out no doubt as the reality sets in. A pack of cowards that hit the trail when bad news surfaces. The difference between them and folks that have a backbone is that we stand behind our favorite commentators regardless of hit jobs by lib blogs. When their icons fail, they melt away like April snow.
August 8, 2008, 7:42:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
It may be the time difference with Purplesmoker, Ashley.
BTW-- While MSNBC has talked about the possibility that Edwards was going to speak at the Dem convention, I have yet to hear one peep about Edwards being on Obama's shortlist for VP. There seems to be quite an effort at MSNBC to not utter anything that would put Edwards within several light years of the Obama campaign.
ahhh... politics...
August 8, 2008, 7:47:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
Didn't UK dweller Haggis
Ashley | 08.08.08 - 7:26 pm |
I'm not from the UK...I'm from Ireland.
Funny you should bring up that name, as I've just been reading through previous post and Haggis made some good/funny points, along with many others...What happened to him/her? If you don't mind be asking.
It's funny how differently left/right see the media, depending on what site you visit.
August 8, 2008, 7:48:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
'm not from the UK...I'm from Ireland.
Funny you should bring up that name, as I've just been reading through previous post and Haggis made some good/funny points, along with many others...What happened to him/her? If you don't mind be asking.
PurpleSmoker | 08.08.08 - 7:53 pm | #
Johnny cruelly and unfairly banned the astute, sincere, and monumentally honest truth seeker.
A innocent newbie like yourself best stay on guard...
August 8, 2008, 7:52:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
Cecelia | 08.08.08 - 7:57 pm |
I'll be on my best behaviour then....Thanks for the heads up
david smawley | 08.08.08 - 7:47 pm |
I like Keith and try to watch his programme online when possible...I'm confident his numbers will rally.
August 8, 2008, 8:00:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
PS,
Can you provide the link that enables you to watch KO online?
I never have been able to find it. Probably just me.
August 8, 2008, 8:11:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
PurpleSmoker
Here you are Danny...It's not live...But the previous days show
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/
August 8, 2008, 8:18:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
PS,
Thanks. that may come in useful some day.
August 8, 2008, 8:27:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Welcome Purple Smoker. I'll be hoping you're up Mayo way, but then what part of the Isle isn't grand, save Derry? I'm wanting you to have a REAL Smithies for me, and I'll be thanking you for helping out me mate Danny, a true son of the sod if ever there was one, and you can be believing that.
August 8, 2008, 8:58:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
A innocent newbie like yourself best stay on guard...
Cecelia | 08.08.08 - 7:57 pm | #
I would use the term "newbie"very loosley. Unless, you are talking about his name.....Then I would agree.
August 8, 2008, 9:06:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
I don't think it's the end of the world...But I gould be wrong.
PurpleSmoker | 08.08.08 - 7:04 pm | #
Funny, haggis said he exact same thing in regards to Olby. Except, he never admitted to being wrong. He used the word "mistaken" often, though.
August 8, 2008, 9:11:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
[It's funny how left/right see the complete opposite from each other]...BOR doesn't even have to go into let ripe mode for lies to come forth and multiply.
Please point out Keiths lie.
HaggisFarmer | 08.04.08 - 5:06 pm | #
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It's funny how differently left/right see the media, depending on what site you visit.
PurpleSmoker | 08.08.08 - 7:53 pm | #
:lol:
August 8, 2008, 9:44:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Indeed, it's funny how very much alike Jeff, Royal King and Olby Sucks "think".
August 8, 2008, 10:21:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
One less than brilliant poster here thought that I was Mark, Mark.
August 8, 2008, 10:58:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Mark | 08.08.08 - 10:26 pm | #
Completely w/out merit. When I switched names, I let it be known from the outset. See why your post is w/out merit?
August 8, 2008, 11:14:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
The "seamhead" piece is a bullseye!
August 8, 2008, 11:24:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
kevmack
I was just wondering outside of WWE Raw a couple of months ago have the nielsen numbers ever been wrong
August 9, 2008, 12:17:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
One less than brilliant poster here thought that I was Mark, Mark.
Fox Fan | 08.08.08 - 11:03 pm | #
Well, he's been everyone else.
August 9, 2008, 12:26:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
OS,
Yep, I thought I smelled something fishy about PS. The fact that PS uses proxies; the fact that PS is from Ireland while HF was from England; the fact that PS shows up after HF was suspended and HF tried to come back before the suspension was up; the fact that PS took the trouble to read previous posts (which I didn't do when I first came to this site) and was really impressed by HF's posts yet despite all of that research into HF past posts PS has no clue as to why HF was temporarily suspended (so PS says); the fact that PS shares the same political philosophy as HF; the fact that PS has come to this site armed with links as HF did.
I don't know. There may be nothing to all of the above. And my suspicions may be totally false. Just smells fishy to me.
August 9, 2008, 3:09:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
Danny | 08.09.08 - 3:14 am
Clearly you're becoming a paranoid mackeral sniffer.
Either that, or you've figured out that Professor Plum is actually Colonel Mustard, that the crime was not committed in the Shamrock Lounge, but in the Birmingham Billiard Parlor, and that the murder weapon isn't an Irish candlestick, it's an English wrench.
Sherlock Danny Holmes
August 9, 2008, 4:15:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Yeah, I guess that is why I can say "I suspect" all I want, but if I say "I accuse" I might lose the game.
August 9, 2008, 1:53:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Seeing how the distance between England and Ireland is all sea, we shouldn't be surprised if it were all fishy.
August 9, 2008, 3:10:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Mark,
So you are saying that PS smells fishy because PS is from Ireland? Damn your ethnic slurs!!
August 9, 2008, 4:04:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
I don't get it, but I am sure it is funny.
August 9, 2008, 4:20:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
Moving from OT to OG
PurpleHaze like Häagen-Dazs
Aroma does resemble fish
Whilst short it grows the Haggis days
Danny Boy spies ploy makes Haggis squish
But mark the Rustic, haggis-fed,
The trembling earth resounds his tread,
Clap in his wallie nieve a blade,
He'll make it whissle;
An legs an arms, an heads will sned,
Like taps o thrissle.
August 9, 2008, 4:38:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Mark,
You should. My post makes as much rational sense as yours. An absurd post deserves an absurd response.
August 9, 2008, 4:41:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Vstol,
Careful. Your poem is Irish. Mark may think there is something fishy about it..
August 9, 2008, 4:49:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
Danny,
My poem is like me, Irish, Scotch,Welch....drink too much, too stingy to pay for it with my own money, borrow money to pay for the drinks. don't pay the money back.
The poem on the bottom is a portion of Scotsman Robby Burns' ADDRESS TO A HAGGIS.
August 9, 2008, 5:17:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Great poem, vstol.
Odd, isn't it, we think the only people in Ireland are Irish. It's as cosmopolitan as the States these days.
I am burdened with a fondness of Kavanagh:
We have tested and tasted too much, lover--
Through a chink too wide there comes in no wonder.
But here in the Advent-darkened room
Where the dry black bread and the sugarless tea
Of penance will charm back the luxury
Of a child's soul, we'll return to Doom
the knowledge we stole but could not use.
August 9, 2008, 5:26:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Vstol,
Sorry. It is all Celtic to me.
But I still stand by my 3:14 post.
I am also wondering about all of this inordinate attention from the British Isles about American cable news Pundits.
Don't you guys have your own countries to attend to?
Maybe we should just annex Ireland and England and Scotland and make them officially a part of the United States.
(just kidding)
August 9, 2008, 5:31:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Maybe you could even find a site on the British Isles where reciting Celtic and Englsih poetry would be on topic . . . and not just obnoxious.
August 9, 2008, 5:34:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
A nation alone does not define
A nation alone can only confine
I am of the world, the planet entire
Every site, sound and taste - my desire
My brother a Hindi
My sister in Indy
Gather round my table
When'er we're able.
August 9, 2008, 5:49:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Mark,
Still does not explain British Isle apparent OBSESSION with United States Cable news.
However more to the point of your last post: Being a "Citizen of the World" doesn't mean that you adopt one other country (other than your native country), and focus on its affairs to the exclusion of the affairs on any other country, including your own.
Actually if you are a TRULY a citizen of the world you would be spending equal amount of time on internet sites that focus on things French and Chinese sites that focus on things Chinese and Hindu sites that focus on Hindu things etc. You would have very little time to spend on this site (which focuses rather exclusively on United States Cable news).
I applaud your desire to be a citizen of THE WORLD (not a citizen of the U.S. or Great Britain).
I hope that we will see your desire played out by your choice of internet sites in which to participate. I hope that in the future you will give equal time to Russian sites Australian sites Indian sites etc. as you give to this site.
God bless you Mark for your decision to be a Citizen of the World! I look forward to seeing your new resolve manifest itself in your internet behavior.
August 9, 2008, 6:19:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Danny, that poster is no more in Ireland or Uk than I am in the middle of Montana.
August 9, 2008, 6:26:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Such an interesting point, Danny, and I have been on Deutscheweld for almost an hour.
Just out of curiosity, why would it be odd for you or Royal King or Jeff or one of your troll du jour monikers at NH to be in Montana? Do you have something against Montana?
August 9, 2008, 7:29:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Mark,
Are you delusional? I haven't posted at NH under my or any other name for a long time. I have never posted at NH under any other name but Danny period.
I also never even mentioned Montana.
I don't appreciate being called a Troll. Its name calling which is against the rules of this forum. Also, I could go to NH and find examples of Troll posts if you want so that you can understand what a troll or a troll post really is.
I am glad to see that perhaps you have got your German base covered. But have you been to a Mexican site; a Brazilian site; an Australian site; a Korean site; a Japanese site since you last posted here?
If the answer is "no" don't post here again until you do. Otherwise, you might lose your "world citizen" credentials.
August 9, 2008, 7:47:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Danny, read the 6:31 post, and put it into context. "You" is the unfortunate Olby Sucks with a couple of his more common, numerous stage names.
But, it is revealing. You are here only to try to torment me. You don't really engage in substantive discussions, and you obviously don't keep track of the threads.
Now, that we have established this, I can enjoy simply ignoring your posts. I have pretty much absorbed all of your positive critiques, anyway. So, please continue to belittle, degrade and troment me, because it won't work. Anyone who wants to understand your motivation and your modus operandi now knows them.
So, Auf Wiedersehen und Gute Fahrt to St. Mark's, a very special Exhile Island of my own creation.
August 9, 2008, 7:55:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
No Mark,
You go back and read your post. You never mentioned OS; you only called my name.
A reasonable person could infer that your entire post was directed to me.
You once inferred that I said something to NVH when yours was the last name I mentioned before the reference.
I had more reason to believe that your comments were directed to me than you had to believe my comment was directed to NVH.
Were you trying to torment me? What does that say about your modus operendi and your motivation?
By your own "world citizen" argument you should not be here for a long time. Lets see if you can be true to your own words.
August 9, 2008, 8:01:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Let me elaborate on my last post. I fear I wrote it too hurriedly and was not clear:
You look at your 6:31 post. My name is the only name that is mentioned. A reasonable person might infer that your comments are directed at me and that you somehow think that OS is an alter ego of mine . . . one of many names that I use at NH and elsewhere.
Contrast what just happened to what happened a few days before: I mentioned your name and then said that I did not believe your denunciation of Olbermann and NH. You knew damn well that you had done those things.
So, in context and by the fact that your name was the closest to my comment YOU should have known that I was speaking to you.
Instead you authored a post mocking me, with the unlikely premise that I was speaking of NVH and not you.
Based upon your comments just now: what does that say about your motivation? Were you trying to belittle, degrade torment me? What does this say about your modus Operandi?
If you are serious in your statement about being a "citizen of the world" your time quota for posting at this site has long expired. You should not be posting at this site for a very long time.
Let us see if you can keep your word!!
August 9, 2008, 8:28:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Mark, I understood that your comment was a reply to OS's Montana comment, but why does it look like you're saying that Danny is OS in asking "why would it be odd for you or Royal King or Jeff or one of your troll du jour monikers at NH to be in Montana?"
I'm quite certain that Danny is not OS.
August 9, 2008, 8:29:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
"Just out of curiosity, why would it be odd for YOU [you] or Royal King or Jeff or one of your troll du jour monikers at NH ..."
How in the hell is Danny supposed to know what transpired at OW? His reading is correct, the YOU is HIM (Danny), without his being advised otherwise. Any mention of prior bad acts seems to get you in a tizzy, but more importantly, ticks off Johnny and others who want to stick to cable news.
August 9, 2008, 8:41:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Not Irish, but Keat's "Woman! when I behold thee flippant, vain" is a good'un, that chicks love.
Swinburne's "Felise" even better.
August 9, 2008, 8:52:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Danny, you're sure to have company at St. Marks, because there's several people who are around to remind him of some things he'd rather pretend he never did.
August 9, 2008, 9:04:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
FF:
I tend to put dash marks when I am responding to multiple posts. I failed to do so this time. My error. Absolutely, OS is not Danny, and I should have been clearer about that. Whether Danny is posting at NH, can't say. I don't care.
Sharon:
What in the world are you talking about? There was, remarkably, no mention of my previous, alleged bad acts.
If it helps, the 7:34 post has two (2) paragraphs. The latter refers to OS and only OS. Again, clumsy omission of demarcation dashes. My bad. A thousand apologies for the confusion.
All:
Now that a tick has been removed from my forearm, can we please, please focus on cable news for a change?
August 9, 2008, 9:08:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Cecelia,
Thanks.
Maybe Mark is about to relent and agree that I should be a part of the infamous gang of (whatever number).
Seems to me he has been trying to ridicule and torment me for (at least) the later part of this thread. But when his attempt to ridicule and torment backfires, he runs away, bawling like a baby.
August 9, 2008, 9:20:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Danny, that poster is no more in Ireland or Uk than I am in the middle of Montana.
Olby Sucks | 08.09.08 - 6:31 pm | #
Let me translate for einstein. Haggis/purple smoker is not in Ireland or the uk. I am not in Montana, as much as I would like to be. 8)
August 9, 2008, 9:29:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Cecelia, if I were ever to exile you, it would be for you to enjoy a long weekend at Le Meurice, a day at Salon Guerlain and dinner at Maxim's, you and anyone else you wish to bring along. In my book, you're tops, exiled or not.
August 9, 2008, 9:31:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
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August 9, 2008, 10:17:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
The two prior OS comments don't register as OS to me... OS, please confirm?
August 9, 2008, 10:34:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Although, I didn't see them, they couldn't have been me, as they were deleted as personal attacks. Not my style, as anyone that knows me can attest to. Were they at least funny?
August 9, 2008, 10:57:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnnydollar
No.
August 9, 2008, 10:58:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
vI am not in Montana, as much as I would like to be.
Olby Sucks | 08.09.08 - 9:34 pm | #
Don't worry about it, sweety. You can go to Le Meurice, Salon Guerlain, and Maxim's on Mark's dime, with me.
August 9, 2008, 11:05:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
I don't think I would last very long in any of those places. They sound like liberal beehives, to me.
August 9, 2008, 11:25:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Not really, OS, but you could get a beehive coif.
August 10, 2008, 12:04:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I usually spray any hives I find in my yard. I've dealt jihad on 4 already this year.
:+:
August 10, 2008, 12:11:48 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Cecelia,
Sometimes the BS flies so fast and from so many directions that it makes you dizzy.
On the one hand, you are a stupid Stalinist and a member of the infamous gang of (however many there are now). But on the other hand your are tops . . . your posts are excellent. You should be sent upon a nice all-expense-paid trip that is worthy of your excellence.
Not long ago, I was too smart to be a member of the infamous gang of four. But now since all my posts now have no substance and are stupid, I am probably now in the infamous gang, taking YOUR PLACE.
Continue to post stuff that "enriches" Mark (like I once did) and you may keep your exalted position.
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