Wednesday Links & Open Thread
Wednesday's latest cable news links [updated through the day]:
Tuesday's numbers.
Susan Estrich: spare me the emails.
Neil Cavuto returns Monday.
Q&A: Molly Henneberg (via TV Newser).
James Rosen on William F Buckley.
Scarborough's success secrets.
McClellan mess recap.
Audio: O'Reilly elaborates.
Today's Obama / Osama screw-up. Apology follows minutes later: Video!
Greta's mystery destination revealed.
Hotline quotes.
Video: J$P makes
The B-Cast!
July ranker.
No more tv reporters?
Black in America reviewer:
please hate Fox!
Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply. fox news cablenews
Daryl
I want an 8x10 of that Julie and Megan pic for my office!
July 30, 2008, 1:30:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Yes, that's a good picture of Julie and Megyn. I think that was at the White House Correspondents' Dinner back in April. For me, that event was marred by Craig Ferguson bashing FNC and forwarding the false notion that there is actually a feud between BOR and Olbermoronn.
Meanwhile, the monthly ranker brings the same thing to mind that I think I said last week about the weekly ranker: FNC, 6th; CNN and MSNBC, just watching.
July 30, 2008, 2:06:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I was watching a clip of "Happy Hour" on FOXBusiness.com's video page. I couldn't hear any signs of Bell's Palsy in Cody Willard and saw very signs. That's excellent news. I guess he's recovering very quickly. God bless him.
July 30, 2008, 2:40:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
This one might do for you, daryl, it's high res enough for framing.
http://foxuparty.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/dscn0330.jpg
July 30, 2008, 7:05:39 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
I'd heard Greta was re-making herself, yet again. Apparently, we are going for a Christiane Amanpour image. Well, excellent. Greta's white girl gone missing shtick has grown stale (which she clearly realizes in her recent political outreach), and Amanpour is an excellent role model. I think Greta is bright and talented. Although I have some doubts about her ability to achieve the gravitas of Amanpour, I wish her the best in her effort, and I will enjoy watching.
July 30, 2008, 7:57:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> I'd heard Greta was re-making herself, yet again.
Where did you hear that?
July 30, 2008, 9:34:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Julie looks terrific, but I don't know what Megyn was thinking with wearing that negligee.
Megyn is by far the smartest FNC female, but she could have used some help from a stylist that night.
July 30, 2008, 11:10:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Political circles. Hubby is a big Democrat. In other words, cocktail party gossip. Reliability is as questionable as a Ford Focus.
July 30, 2008, 11:11:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Daryl
Thanks, another nice Megyn pic. Sorry for typing Megan Megyn.
Everyone is always calling me Darrell or Darryl
July 30, 2008, 11:41:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
and Amanpour is an excellent role model.
by mark
I highly doubt Greta would ever defend the enemy.
July 30, 2008, 11:55:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I'd heard Greta was re-making herself, yet again.
by mark
Where did you hear that?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 07.30.08 - 9:39 am | #
One of those pesky voices in her head told her.
July 30, 2008, 11:57:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply
lyons
JD,
Thanks for the wonderful piece on Bill Hemmer.
I have switched to Anderson Cooper each evening that he is hosting.
I have had enough of the dead girl syndrome on Greta's show.
July 30, 2008, 12:07:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Interloper
Another mention on B-roll? I suppose you're getting used to the attention, Johnny. Still, am I right when I think that Scott M. asserted that they sent out talking points to Fox correspondents and commentators and only O'Reilly has denied getting any?
July 30, 2008, 12:17:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I'm sorry but you are mistaken. He specifically exempted reporters and correspondents. He said pundits, then agreed he was talking about the 'nighttime' guys. Subsequently of course he ruled out O'Reilly. He hasn't said what 'pundits' at other channels, newspapers, etc might also have been given info, and with what has transpired, it seems likely that in the future he's going to vague his story up as much as possible, i.e. no names.
July 30, 2008, 12:31:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Reviewed recording - no such clarification in that hour.
chrish | Homepage | 07.30.08 - 2:22 pm | #
Is this true, regarding the obama/osama mixup today?
July 30, 2008, 3:38:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I dunno. To 'review' the recording would mean that she sat there and listened to the rest of the show (which would be 90 minutes). It would also mean that the hosts could see, or if they could see noticed, the misspelling. The NH have said in the past they 'reviewed the tape' and it was a blatant lie:
http://johnnydollar.us/2004a/C1049953760/E1588345654/index.html
http://johnnydollar.us/2004a/C1049953760/E20070612120821/index.html
So you'll forgive me if I don't believe, or care, if they reviewed it this time. I don't have 90 minutes to spare myself, and even if I did I wouldn't waste time on just the latest example of a mistake that has been made on every news channel at one time or another.
July 30, 2008, 3:45:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Interloper
Johnny, thanks for the clarification. Don't see that anybody should be surprised if talking points are going out. Does it matter if it's the WH or DNC/RNC who sends them?
July 30, 2008, 4:03:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Maybe that's why she said "in that hour." To cover her ass. Maybe they clarified the mistake at minute 61? You are usually in the know, which is why I asked.
July 30, 2008, 4:05:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Interloper
By the way, keep the pictures coming!!
July 30, 2008, 4:10:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Maybe that's why she said "in that hour." To cover her ass.
Ding! Ding! Ding! You are a winner. I just added a link that details the apology made a few minutes into the next hour.
July 30, 2008, 4:49:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Chrish said "in that hour," wingnut moron. Was the apology in that hour?
Out, damned spot.
Average American Patriot | 07.30.08 - 7:05 pm | #
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fox rules | 07.30.08 - 6:53 pm
Hey olby sucks, where's the video of Doocy apologizing for it? I didn't see any on the link you gave.
john t | Homepage | 07.30.08 - 7:06 pm | #
Like clock work!
July 30, 2008, 7:10:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Chrish said "in that hour," wingnut moron. Was the apology in that hour?
Out, damned spot.
Average American Patriot | 07.30.08 - 7:05 pm | #
I have to jump in here.
Sad to see a personal attack as the first thing you write in your first post on this thread.
However, if the apology was said that same hour, then she lied.
If the apology happened 45 minutes later in the FOLLOWING hour, then it proves that the Bassett does not have the integrity to be honest enough to even admit that.
Therefore, she is either a liar or dishonest and lacking integrity.
July 30, 2008, 8:09:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
U.S.S. Nixon
You gotta post Karl Rove completely destroying Kirsten Powers on Hannity & Colmes 2n.. Hannity always plays nice with her, its nice to see her finally shown how much of a moron she is.
July 30, 2008, 9:16:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Well, I see the Einsteins at NH think that 1. I write copy for TV Newser (the TV Newser report of the apology is dismissed as "Dollar's words"). That's so ignorant as to be stunning! And B. Because it's just "Dollar's words" the only proof that matters would be a video of the apology.
So I figured I'd make their day, and have added a link to video of the F&F apology. Now I imagine a few of our favorite regulars over there are going to have to come up with all sorts of new insults, personal attacks, and names to call to distract from this!
July 30, 2008, 9:35:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Thanks for the apology video. this is proof that Fox has the courage and honesty to make an apology when one is due. It also is yet one more piece of evidence, among what appears to be thousands, that the NH Bassets lack honesty and integrity.
July 30, 2008, 9:56:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Indeed, thanks for the video. I hope Doocy kept a copy so he can hit a button and call it up next time this "mistake" is made by FNC. Better make it a big, prominent button.
July 30, 2008, 10:10:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Your clown quotes suggest it was not a mistake. I'd like to hear your rationale for that, and whether you apply it to all the other outlets that have made the same error. In your own words.
July 30, 2008, 10:15:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I'm not sure why anyone would care what a NH denizens writes, but I checked anyway, and found that the argument has shifted from "show me video proof" to "video proof is moot since Johnny Dollar had to link it for you"...
(I'm starting to wonder if Bob Cox hasn't populated the NH board and this site with strawman sockpuppet pretend leftists too. They just can't be this universally illogical.)
July 30, 2008, 10:18:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
It's the shifting of the goalposts, a common tactic, one that was used just today, here, on a different thread. The truth doesn't matter, just smear, lie, call names, and when cornered, move the goalposts.
July 30, 2008, 10:19:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny, I know it must get particularly frustrating to hear arguments that FNC didn't apologize for "Osama", and then when proof that they did apologize is produced, to read an intimation that an apology is irrelevant, because it's a staged effort to discredit Obama in the first place.
Don't let it get to you. Hopefully this is keeping them off the streets.
July 30, 2008, 10:27:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Get to him? He probably loves it, the NHs set themselves up for the ever-revealing "slanders and lies" articles!
July 30, 2008, 10:29:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I am accumulating.
July 30, 2008, 10:30:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny, don't you think your time would be better spent following the words of your greatest fan here and awarding her Poster of the Day titles on a regular basis?
July 30, 2008, 10:39:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
I second that. Cecelia deserves Commenter of the day!!
Yes!!!!
July 30, 2008, 10:42:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
J$ Fan
Yeah, what she said, but your greatest fan here is obviously a he!
July 30, 2008, 10:42:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
We need to give him some time to "accumulate", even if it means foregoing any COtD.
:+:
July 30, 2008, 10:46:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
FF, your priorities are sadly askew!...
July 30, 2008, 10:49:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I'd rather see a new slanders and lies post, but you can prefer a COTD nomination if that's what you wish for.
July 30, 2008, 10:52:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
FF, everyone is well aware that the NH site is run by and is chock full of slanderers, liars, and morons. CotD at JD's Place is something lofty and decent and worth our attention...
July 30, 2008, 11:01:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Cece, do you know what a slanders and lies post is?
July 30, 2008, 11:04:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
FF, I'm assuming it's the periodic addendum Johnny issues to the long list of NH malfeasance.
July 30, 2008, 11:08:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
The link is to the right, they are the best articles that johnny writes IMO.
July 30, 2008, 11:10:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Johnny, among all the other "shifting of the goal poasts" deborah thinks I'm you. I feel like I dug a 10 mile long ditch after dealing with those clowns.
July 30, 2008, 11:47:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Well then it must be true. "The IP addresses prove it!" Especially when you lie about the IP addresses.
July 31, 2008, 12:02:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Uhhh
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July 31, 2008, 12:08:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply
bigred
Wow. What an intelligent post. Did it take you all day to come up with that one?
Or did you pick it up from watching Olbermoron?
July 31, 2008, 12:16:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
No, Uhhhh, but we risked it when reading your post.
July 31, 2008, 12:17:53 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
FF, the FNC audience myth busting one is the best in my book.
July 31, 2008, 12:19:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"About 45 minutes ago we had a little problem down here, the so-called banner, misidentified Sen. Barack Obama. It was a writer's error. We sincerely apologize to the Senator and to the campaign."
>
The only thing you can post is Dollar's worthless words. You have been on here lying all night. You say you have links to videos which you don't.
You are one pitiful little troll.
john t | Homepage | 07.30.08 - 9:31 pm | #
Johnny, how long have you been writing transcripts and doing voice overs for Fox News?
July 31, 2008, 12:27:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Not only do I write their transcripts for them, I secretly ghost-write the articles for TV Newser, and bring Rupert Murdoch his coffee every morning.
July 31, 2008, 12:29:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I knew the part about tvnewser, one of the newshounds told me so, but, Rupert? :lol:
July 31, 2008, 12:41:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
From Thursday-Part 1:
Chrish,
Would it be appropriate or fair to report on the on air response to the error?
Anonymous (vstol) | 07.30.08 - 12:08 pm |
After Chrish posted twice she hadn't found it, I replied:
Chrish,
Steve Doocy on camera apology.
vstol | 07.30.08 - 5:32 pm
After an hour of taunting and name calling by the litter, I post this:
john t,
I saw the Doocy apology live this morning. That's why I asked Chrish about it over 7 hours ago.
Chrish sayin she hasn't found it yet or you saying the video hasn't been posted doesn't mean it did not happen. It did. I saw it live.
My point was not wheter or not it happened, it was whether or not reporting on it was appropriate or fair.
vstol | 07.30.08 - 7:39
Immediately followed by:
So Dollar and Vstol can't prove it except for "their word". Which isn't worth very much.
john t | Homepage | 07.30.08 - 7:48 pm
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Feel free to find a single post I've made on this or any other site that is untrue. Take your time. I'll wait for your apology.vstol | 07.30.08 - 7:59pm
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Why don't you hold your breath while you're waiting? All I need to know is that you're one of Dollar's regular's and a Fox apologist. You would spout shit out your ass to apologize for them.
john t | Homepage | 07.30.08 - 8:04pm
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July 31, 2008, 2:03:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
Part Deux:
Back to the topic.
There was an apology.
Would NH reporting that there was an apology be appropriate or fair?
johnt,
Still waiting for you to find a single post I've made that is untrue.........
vstol | 07.30.08 - 8:28 pm
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Average American Patriot | 07.30.08 - 8:22 pm
SHHHHH, don't bother Bovine or Vstol. They're both googling fantically trying to find if Doocy apologized.
john t | Homepage | 07.30.08 - 8:32pm
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john t,
Not googling. Saw it live.
Still waiting.........
vstol | 07.30.08 - 8:35 pm
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vstol | 07.30.08 - 8:28 pm
I'm still waiting for proof that Doocy apologized. Or are you lying?
john t | Homepage | 07.30.08 - 8:36pm
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I don't care what you SAY you saw. If Dollar said the world was going to end in 10 days you'd swear by it.
john t | Homepage | 07.30.08 - 8:40pm
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john t,
I don't believe anyone else is responsible for you questioning my word or implying that I would repeat a lie.
When I'm wrong, I admit it.
Not admitting mistakes is childish.
How old are you?
vstol | 07.30.08 - 9:07 pm
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Probably older than you. So don't start with that BS.
john t | Homepage | 07.30.08 - 9:10pm
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July 31, 2008, 2:07:04 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
Numero tres:
After an hour or so of dribble and a begrudging admission there's video of the apology:
john t,
Have you found a comment of mine that is untrue?
Do you have any evidence I would repeat a lie?
Were you wrong?
Will you admit your mistake?
vstol | 07.30.08 - 10:22 pm
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What the hell do you think I'm going to do, go back and read every thread you've been on?
Good Grief, grow up.
But I see you came back after Dollar bailed your ass out.
john t | Homepage | 07.30.08 - 10:26
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Then stop impugning my truthfulness.
You're the dishonest one. Unlike you and some others here, being dishonest is not my nature. Unlike you and some others here, I admit it when I'm wrong.
There was no need for anyone to bail my ass out. I never lied.
And as far as when I came back, it had nothing to do with anything done by anyone anywhere.I wasn't even online.vstol | 07.30.08 - 11:48 pm
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Now the funniest thing has happened. All of my posts after 8:35pm have mysteriously disappeared. No explanation, just poof.
July 31, 2008, 2:08:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Looks like things are really heating up at Newshounds and Ellen has just about lost it. Witness the following:
johnny dollar,
You are correct and I am going to amend my post. But I am also going to complain to your ISP that you will not stop harassing us. You are not welcome here, you know it and your continued presence can only be viewed as harassment.
Ellen | Homepage | 07.31.08 - 2:09 am | #
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Moderators,
Please leave J
July 31, 2008, 4:06:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
notveryhow,, who is a frequent contributer/sycophant of Newshounds and our resident crybaby, does not know how good he has had it here.
If he really wants to see what personal attacks and a truly "unfair ballgame" looks like he need only look at the posts from Newshounds that I have cut and pasted here.
You have been treated very well here notveryhow . . . far better than Dollar or I have been treated at Newshounds . . . and probably far better than you deserve.
July 31, 2008, 4:16:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
vstol, your exchanges with John T., culminating in Danny's excerpt of Ellen accusing Johnny of historic harassment, has to be one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.
vstol, the mindset of your being a liar (simply by virtue of your being a fan of FNC) until you were "bailed out" by the proof (that really proves nothing to them...) ought to make you question why you bother...
July 31, 2008, 8:29:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Dollar writes:
Your clown quotes suggest it was not a mistake. I'd like to hear your rationale for that, and whether you apply it to all the other outlets that have made the same error. In your own words.
Mark writes:
- Clown quotes? Such quotation marks can properly be used to show irony when other means are not available. This isn't the first time this, or some other similar smear or slap of Obama has been used, graphically or orally, by Doocy and/or Carlson. There is a history which might be fairly characterized as bad faith. I have doubts that this was a mistake. In fact, I can almost hear Doocy snickering and rolling his eyes and Carlson doing than semi-cough/semi-laugh (and I don't even know if she was on yesterday). I do not think my doubts are unreasonable.
-Standard? That is an interesting question. I think the standard must remain the same. I don't think in this matter there is a similar pattern of bad faith with other personalities and other networks, so I am probably more willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. Fairly or unfairly. By the same token, I would extend that benefit to virtually every other FNC personality or program, including even O'Reilly. Doocy and Carlson have simply shown themselves and their program to be particularly eggregious and odious.
July 31, 2008, 8:40:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Yeah... Mark's opinion on F & F has evolved...
July 31, 2008, 8:49:26 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Johnny, didn't you document a faux pas on Hardball some months back where they had a picture of OBL up for several minutes while Tweety was discussing Barak Obama?
I may very well be wrong but I seem to remember something along those lines.
August 1, 2008, 5:30:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
I really like Susan Estrich subbing for Colmes. Although she and I are polar opposites politically I have always thought that she is very reasonable in how she expresses her opinion and is a straight shooter, which is why I enjoy her appearances.
Witness this quote from her on your link "Spare Me the Emails":
"And believe me, you dont win by denouncing people on your own side (or even the other side), by questioning their motives, impugning their integrity, and making clear that there is no room for anyone who views this as a political contest rather than a test of faith."
That is an objectively true statement whoever is being a Pharisee to those immoral sinners on the other side of the aisle.
August 1, 2008, 5:43:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Grammie,
I think one of the best illustrations for how ruthless partisan and intolerant of others that the left has become, is their treatment towards each other.
I'm sure that John McCain doesn't appreciate James Dobson's views on his candidacy, etc. Dobson's followers may agree that McCain is the devil himself, but within the rank and file of the party (as contrasted with various leaders of factions) do you see any animosity between McCain supporters and McCain foes?
The closest thing may be the Ron Paul folks and that's more like two snarky siblings going at it than the extreme bitter and hateful rhetoric between Clinton and Obama supporters. Even the schisms between Rockefeller Repubs and anti-communist or social conservative Repubs never were so fraught with enmity.
Maybe it's because the left seems to be composed of eternally adolescent souls whose casual use of graphic obscenities and egocentric drama queen ultimatums seems like the stuff reform school inmates, that makes it seem more inflammatory than they truly feel, but holy cow they are ruthless with each other!
August 1, 2008, 12:29:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
