Tuesday Links and Open Thread
Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:
April: FNC tops CNN and MSNBC combined 6am-midnight. More. Spin: HLN, CNN, MSNBC.
Monday's numbers. Weekend numbers.
Frankie goes to Hollywood. Coop names influentials.
Red Eye at 500. Tonight: Tucker and Megyn.
Hotline after dark.
Ex-CNNer knocks CNN.
Today's cable news lament.
Mika vs Tucker. Matthews in Charlottesville.
Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply. fox news cable news
Cecelia
I enjoy Mika on Morning Joe very much, but she's wrong here.
No matter what sort of semantical game she wants to play about the difference between the terms 'biased' and 'nonobjective', I'm not sure I can agree that within the formal scene of a news room, staffers should not bother continuing with the professional fiction of appearing nonaligned.
I really do believe that the most important aspect of any news show, is not the complete objectivity of the host, but rather their willingness to air both sides of an issue. (AND hosts/anchors should be knowledgeable enough of both side's arguments, that they can challenge guests from either point of view.)
However, unlike what seems to be Mika's opinion, I'm not willing to COMPLETELY abandon the notion of the professional atmosphere of an unbiased...objective... nonaligned news room.
THAT is troubling.
April 28, 2009, 9:14:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
TAD for an hour or two to attend to some personal matters. Back ASAP.
April 28, 2009, 10:19:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
My take on the news anchors on cable and network.
Charles Gibson should have gotten the job when Jennings died. He's good but his bias leaks out once in awhile. He paid his dues.
Brian Williams also paid his dues and does a good job for a sorry ass network.
Katie Couric got her job because of political correctness and popularity. Barbara Walters actually did some grunt work before she got an anchor position. Couric is terrible.
Wolf Blitzer hides any bias he has pretty well but he is a drama queen on some stories.
Brit Hume was also very good at what he did. We know he leaned right but it never came through on his newscast.
Brett Bair is new and needs time to develop.
I can't comment on MSNBC because I don't get the channel. That may be a good thing.
April 28, 2009, 12:09:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
Captain America
So now you going to go to name calling. How mature of you.
Posted by: john t on Mon 4.27 11:50pm
Mommy, Mommy someone is calling me names!!!!!
This from someone who spends the better part of his life calling people names.
Hey little john!!! There's no crying in unions!!
April 28, 2009, 12:11:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
"There's no crying in unions!"
You've never worked with the UAW, have you? Biggest bunch of emotional pseudo-downtrodden babies I've ever seen in my life.
No joke, a contractor dropped a wrench from the mezzanine (overhead walkway) and it fell a few feet from a UAW worker when I was working in Norfolk's F-150 plant. The entire plant walked out in protest and the contractor was fired.
April 28, 2009, 12:30:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
So now you going to go to name calling. How mature of you.
Posted by: john t on Mon 4.27 11:50pm
Blackflon | Homepage | 04.28.09 - 12:16 pm | #
With as much name calling as he does, apparently Little John is admitting his own lack of maturity.
April 28, 2009, 12:48:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
The bottom line on the April ratings:
FNC beat CNN and MSNBC combined in every hour from 6 am to 11 pm in both Total Viewers and the A25-54 demo for April 2009.
Wow.
April 28, 2009, 2:31:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
johnny dollar | Homepage | 04.28.09 - 2:36 pm | #
Of course this is great news, but those on the left will be spinning it as "but XXXX gets MORE Web traffic.
Funny, it wasn't that long ago when the left was touting the growing ratings of Olby, Matthews, etc. Now, that their ratings have fallen flat, the left no longer seems to even care about ratings.
But the cable news outfits and their advertisors still do.
April 28, 2009, 2:41:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
FNC beat CNN and MSNBC combined in every hour from 6 am to 11 pm in both Total Viewers and the A25-54 demo for April 2009.
"Wow" indeed!
April 28, 2009, 2:47:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Actually it's 6:00 am to midnight. I misread that earlier. This is one of the biggest drubbings in cable news history.
April 28, 2009, 2:55:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
The bottom line on the April ratings:
FNC beat CNN and MSNBC combined in every hour from 6 am to 11 pm in both Total Viewers and the A25-54 demo for April 2009.
Wow.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 04.28.09 - 2:36 pm | #
I think Fox's ratings have somewhat to do with presentation. MSNBC has some very vicious people in Olbermann and Maddow. They have this "looking down their noses" view.
Red Eye has some viciousness but no one watches them.
CNN is trying the straight path but most people today seem to be more interested in sound bites and texting. There is no conversation taking place anymore. Check out how many of our children spend their time with gadgets.
April 28, 2009, 3:07:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
With as much name calling as he does, apparently Little John is admitting his own lack of maturity.
Ashley | 04.28.09 - 12:53 pm | #
The Puppies keep the name calling going on their mains as well. As soon as I decided to play their name calling game they banned me. They love to dish but cry when it bites them. Ellen even sent me an email threatening to tell my internet provider that I was harrassing them. My lawyer is still waiting. Poor babies.
April 28, 2009, 3:13:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
I just read the deatails of FNC's success....more wow....
Fox & Friends has now been #1 for 90 consecutive months.
From 9AM ET on, every program grew by more than 60% in the demo.
Glenn Beck is up 212% in the demo and up 128% in total viewers.
The O'Reilly Factor is up 74% in the demo.
Hannity is up 64% in the demo.
April 28, 2009, 3:21:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Sorry, I did not cite my source....TV NEWSER....
An even better headline there:
"April Ratings: HLN's Grace Tops Olbermann in Demo"
April 28, 2009, 3:22:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
Funny, it wasn't that long ago when the left was touting the growing ratings of Olby, Matthews, etc. Now, that their ratings have fallen flat, the left no longer seems to even care about ratings.
But the cable news outfits and their advertisors still do.
Ashley | 04.28.09 - 2:46 pm | #
and we all know that those ratings didnt last- i had a feeling they wouldnt no more bush to bash
since obama has taken office-i will assume foxnews ratings have gone higher? people want the truth-not all this pro obama all the time crap
and the truth is this:
obama/dems is spending alot of money (i guess the left doesnt care-or only when its republicans-both have spent alot)
obama has made mistakes (no president is perfect-and nobody should nit-pick his mistakes)
jobs are being lost, forclosures
the crisis we're in is more complex than one party/person-it takes two
hearing one side of a topic-doesnt help anyone/ viewers/voters-no matter the channel
i'm done with this rant
April 28, 2009, 3:29:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
...Ellen even sent me an email threatening to tell my internet provider that I was harrassing them. ...
Blackflon | Homepage | 04.28.09 - 3:18 pm | #
Yet they condone and support the l'il feller in his efforts to chase down our friend MikeC and toss out the insults and vulgarities not only on Mikes own site, but here, there, ICN, Chickaboomer, and other sites.
April 28, 2009, 3:34:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Fox News might blow away the competition hands down, but HuffPo blows away the Drudge Retort (not Report) all day long! Thanks for the laugh, Anisha.
April 28, 2009, 3:43:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
i will talk to everyone later-i will respond to comments that are directed towards me (from whereever) when i get back (have plans-going into boston tonight)
April 28, 2009, 3:50:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
There's an even worse comment a little further down. Oh, and the headline of the hound article is a lie. It's obvious how people believe a hound HeadLie and don't bother to read Goler's actual article to see if the mutts are telling the truth.
johnny dollar Mark Koldys | Homepage | 02.25.09 - 11:53 am |
thats because-they dont watch the channel and take all their cues from the website-i would like them to prove me wrong
there was a segment i watched on foxnews (it was fair)-so i went to newshounds to see if it was there-it wasnt there-not surprised ( i forget what it was)
April 28, 2009, 3:57:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
Hello Folks.....I'm back
Anyone know why the link for this site doesn't work with firefox? I only got here through google cache.
I'm just getting a wee box appearing saying "opening jdp.html....This is the only site this happens with. see screen short bellow.
http://img155.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=62679_Snap2_122_646lo.jpg
April 28, 2009, 6:54:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
There some sort of glitch going on with Firefox users. They are unable to access the site because FF wants to download it as a file instead of displaying it! This only happens on the front page for some reason. So if you want to keep up with the links and FIrefox is giving you trouble, go to this link instead of johnnydollar.us:
http://johnnydollar.us/2008a/jdp_links%20&%20open.html
I am trying to troubleshoot this but it's got me stumped so far.
April 28, 2009, 6:55:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 04.28.09 - 7:00 pm |
Could it be anything to do with the new update for firefox today? This is the only site this problem appears on.
April 28, 2009, 6:59:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Johnny, for what's it worth I have had to keep internet Explorer on my desk top b/c I can't get to you thru FireFox.
Quite a long while back you had an access problem and that is the situation I have been in ever since.
April 28, 2009, 7:06:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
Things must be getting bad over at Fox News...Bill has now waged war against his own company.
April 28, 2009, 7:08:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Yeah he did the same thing when he went after them for the OJ book deal. Fearless, that O'Reilly.
I didn't upload any Firefox update but I'm getting it too. It only affects the front page, oddly enough. I'm scouring thru the code but so far don't see what makes the front page different from the others.
April 28, 2009, 7:33:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Haggis, where the heck have you been? Another trip to Australia? Alabama? Hopefully not Mexico!
April 28, 2009, 7:35:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
Doing a search for J$ on Google...Returns "File Format: Unrecognized"
Firefox updated to 3.0.10 today
johnny dollar's place
File Format: Unrecognized - View as HTML
homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/blog/jdp.html - Similar pages - Filter
April 28, 2009, 7:42:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
Fox Fan | Homepage | 04.28.09 - 7:40 pm
LOL...Portugal this time....2 week golfing holiday....Then away on a work training course. It's good to be back to add some reality to all things J$
April 28, 2009, 7:46:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I think I may have found the problem. Firefox users please try to access the main page and see if it's OK now. You might try emptying your cache first...
April 28, 2009, 7:50:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
Folks...I realise everyone here must be in a state of depression today...after the Specter defection and the Dems now having a filibuster majority. So i post this link to a funny funny comedy to lighten your hearts and give you a good laugh.
http://tvshack.net/tv/The_Inbetweeners/season_1/episode_1/
April 28, 2009, 7:55:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 04.28.09 - 7:55 pm |
Good stuff Johnny....Working now.
April 28, 2009, 7:56:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Don't need a comedy break from you Haggis, glad this traitor is on your team now! CNN & MSNBC will try to prop him up, which will make him a momentary star, till he uses his usefulness to these networks.
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April 28, 2009, 8:36:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Folks...I realise everyone here must be in a state of depression today...after the Specter defection and the Dems now having a filibuster majority.
Haggis | 04.28.09 - 8:00 pm | #
Not me, I am glad to have him go over to the left which is where we all will feel better. I'm sure many others here feel the same or indifferent, but I doubt anyone is depressed, so let me say Haggy, once again....your analysis is (lilkely) spot off.
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April 28, 2009, 8:40:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
ok I trimmed down a few responses that took the Haggis bait. We are not going to discuss Specter's switch, but we can discuss how cable news handles it.
April 28, 2009, 8:43:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Things must be getting bad over at Fox News...Bill has now waged war against his own company.
Haggis | 04.28.09 - 7:13 pm | #
What the left fails to mention whenever family guy comes up, is that Fox did absolutely nothing to stop a Fox Television show mock Fox News. Then, you have Fox doing nothing to stop a host from Fox News from voicing his extremely negative opinion against another Fox show.
Kudos to Fox for being so independent and fair minded.
So Haggis, would you have preferred BOR to remain silent and for no host to even comment on family guy?
or
Do you prefer Bill doing what he's doing.
April 28, 2009, 8:48:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I think cable news made it abundantly clear that the issue is not Specter himself, but the fillibuster-proof majority that results.
Haggis, the Inbetweeners are hilarious!
April 28, 2009, 9:03:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
We are not going to discuss Specter's switch, but we can discuss how cable news handles it.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 04.28.09 - 8:48 pm | #
How about I say the way I think Hannity should handle it???
OK....nevermind!
April 28, 2009, 9:07:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
Haggis, the Inbetweeners are hilarious!
Fox Fan | Homepage | 04.28.09 - 9:08 pm |
FF...Glad you enjoyed it...There's 5 more episodes available on that site from the 1st series.
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April 28, 2009, 9:25:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ramjet-formerly vstol
It's good to be back to add some reality to all things J$ Haggis | 04.28.09 - 7:51 pm | #
Folks...I realise everyone here must be in a state of depression today...after the Specter defection and the Dems now having a filibuster majority. Haggis | 04.28.09 - 8:00 pm |
Only 9 minutes from "to add some reality..." to "everyone here must be in a state of depression today..."
Lead story on Kkkkkountddddddown.
CABLE NEWS covered The Specter Defector Story as a purely partisan political piece, when the real story is the Status of Specter's Sputtering, Craterous Credibility Cavity, not unlike the hallucinatory Haggis.
April 28, 2009, 11:59:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Haggy, once again....your analysis is (lilkely) spot off.
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Spot on.
April 29, 2009, 12:38:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply
ramjet-formerly vstol
The "cable news lament" story, "Hunter: Monsters of imagination are the worst kind," is indeed, a study in the Monster genre.
The "Hunter" in question is David Hunter, the author of the column, a freelance writer and former Knox County sheriff's deputy. In his role as columnist, Mr. Hunter takes on the personifications of Larry Talbot as The Wolf Man and Jack Griffin as The Invisible Man (Lon Chaney, Jr. and Claude Raines, respectively) for his role as The Invisible Wolf Man. He gets really hairy, then vanishes.
He uses the opening four paragraphs to lay the premise for his plot; i.e., "Mark Twain is often credited with having said, 'The worst things that ever happened to me never happened'," and "I can tell you up front that the worst things that ever happened to me also never happened. Another way of putting it is to say that the monsters created by a vivid imagination are almost always worse than reality."
Then Mr. Hunter proceeds to create his Monster out of silly putty. His lament is the 3 cable news networks report "what would happen if" instead of the way of the old pros, Walter, Howard K, Chet and David, by "telling us what was happening, not what could happen."
April 29, 2009, 2:33:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply
ramjet-formerly vstol
("cable news lament" cont)
And how does he prove his point? He takes WereWolf Blitzer to task for "sounding like a man on the edge of panic" reporting on the Taliban closing in on Islamabad and " what would happen if the Taliban seized control of that government and its nuclear weapons." Hunter writes, "He must have used the word 'nuclear' 20 times."
Come on! Really! What'd you expect? Like his name isn't a tip off?
MSNBC is almost an afterthought as Hunter details their report on "the plight of General Motors, I think," with stock quotes.
Brilliant! Uh huh.
But the piece de resistance, the evidentiary creme de la creme of his case is, yep, you guessed it FOX News. Behold: "Fox News was focused on the possibility of officials of former President Bush being prosecuted for authorizing torture."
Sure they were. Well, not so much. Actually, not at all.
FNC was not "focused on the possibility of officials of former President Bush being prosecuted for authorizing torture." They actually reported on an interesting story, the D.C. Horror Film Cluster Fest. The Zombies From the Left Meet the Mummies From the Right on the Hill as the Vampire in Chief Watches From the House on 15th & E St. While the Former Bush Ghouls Yell From the Rooftops, "Oh yea!"
Now, that's showbiz!
As he wraps up his chilling tale, Mr. Hunter somehow, in his mad-scientist's mind, makes a connection to his lament with the following:
"The cases of Richard Jewell, who was lynched by the national news media for the Atlanta Olympic bombing of which he was innocent, and members of the Duke University lacrosse team convicted by media-inspired public opinion of being rapists and racists, come to mind."
The Atlanta Summer Olympics were held in 1996, strangely enough in the Summer, from July 19th to August 4th. The Centennial Olympic Park bombing occurred July 27th, 1996.
The FOX News Channel began operations on October 7th, 1996. The national news media organazations that "lynched" Richard Jewell, were sued by Richard Jewell, and settled out of court are NBC News, CNN, the NY Times and the NY Post.
And the "Duke University lacrosse team convicted by media-inspired public opinion of being rapists and racists" example is even more enlightening regarding FNC. FOX News did not participate in the media feeding the Duke players to the sharks frenzy. In fact, as they refused to convict anyone of anything in the press, FOX News came under vicious attacks from the blue-blog and MSNBC Fox Haters.
A search of the Newshounds site for "duke rape" brings up:
Results 1 - 10 of about 162 from newshounds.us for duke rape.
Thank goodness Hunter didn't produce a double-feature.
April 29, 2009, 3:42:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Poor Haggis. Reality deficient...again.
Bait taken.
NBC NEWS' best ratings guy, Keith Olbermann, can never muster even the smallest criticism of his corporate daddy when the blue blogs, who he claims to serve (in truth, justice and the American way!), are so apoplectic that the hate just seethes through the screen.
Remember Jim Cramer?....Oh boy, and how about Don Imus? Oh boy....Keith was "johnny come lately" (sorry J$) on those liberal hate crusades. There are many others documented over at OW....come by and discuss them, I am sure Robert Cox would be happy to have your perspective demolished.
And then we have the "journalist" Olbermann hypocritically covering politics....Comapre and contrast the coverage, based on (R) or (D) by the name, of those he himself says are the "people in power," and how he promised equal and uncompromising analysis of the works....Obama? Bush? Iraq policy? Wire tapping? Pelosi? Congressional Democrats?Allowing "torture?" Political corruption? Torture prosecutions? And the latest....The EASY example of federal government incompetance, arrogance and stupidity (the AFO Manhattan flyover)?...
Olbermann has no ability, unlike O'Reilly, to garner the confidence and integrity to be independent and intellectually honest. Your worry about O'Reilly is simply mistaken.
Finally Haggis, as a conservative, I am not depressed. History shows us these types of politicians change parties for their own personal power during these extreme periods in government...1980, 1992 for the democrats are just recent examples. Olbermann (and the majority of the MSM) has no sense of history or objectivity, so you would not be informed of such simple history. Spector voted as a democrat when it most counted recently anyway, so in reality and policy there will be no change. Will there be HONEST analysis from liberals like Olbermann if the left puts up a leftist against Spector in the primary?....I highly doubt it. Purity on ideology from the left seems not to be a concern for "journalists" like Olbermann where with the right?...Well we get more hypocrisy.
I hope Johnny allows this post because it was easy to defeat the simplistic and highly unoriginal conclusion by our fav, Haggis. I'm done.
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