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Monday Links and Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Friday's numbers; demo: Beck #1, CNN last!

Shuster slams Beck. Kyra hearts John.

Shuster's slant. Dobbs decline?

Kos backs anti-CNBC petition.

Pew 2008 cable news review.

Recession: cablers cope.

Pundits rush to judgment?

YouTube numbers.

Vote: Fredricka v Tamron. Norah's parade. Quade commended.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Cecelia
It's sad to hear about the death of Ron Silver today. He was a good actor and courageous man.
 
I had no idea he had been ailing.
March 16, 2009, 10:19:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
The Pew State of the Media report is full of enlightening statistical information and bewildering analysis.
 
Being fair and balance in covering the two candidates in the presidential election isn't really fair and balance if it strays too far from the imbalance of "the press over all."
 
Up is down.
 
Good is bad.
 
Balance is bias.
March 16, 2009, 1:30:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Why did FNC edit...today...what Joe Biden said during the campaign....This is what he said during the campaign..."I believe that’s why John McCain could say with a straight face as recently as this morning and this is a quote, “the fundamentals of the economy are strong.”....but on the Live Desk today that statement had been edited down to this ....“the fundamentals of the economy are strong.”  
Martha McCallum then made out to her viewers that this(edited version) had been said last weekend....McCallum said this after the clip had been shown..."All right, well the mantra for the weekend is clear, looking at what was said over the course of the shows on Sunday." Looks like FNC have been caught red-handed once again. I'm sure folk here will have a perfectly reasonable explanation for this editing....Please don't disappoint me. It's probably a young interns fault.
 
The video of the clip on Live desk and the Clip of what Biden said during the campaign can be seen at link bellow.
 
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/16/fox-news-fundamentals/
March 16, 2009, 3:51:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Worse than the anti-CNBC petition being Kos-backed is finding out that Eric Burns is now president of Media Matters. He hates his former employer, Fox, so much that he's turned against them...hard! You know what, Eric? I don't like you anymore, either.
March 16, 2009, 4:02:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I may be wrong, but I don't believe that is the same Eric Burns.
March 16, 2009, 4:14:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
In fact, I'm right, I'm not wrong. MM's Eric Burns:
 
http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200903040028
March 16, 2009, 4:15:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Then, I'm wrong and owe the Eric Burns an apology. I am terribly sorry for mistaking you for a different Eric Burns. Here's hoping both of us get hired somewhere this year in our respective fields.
March 16, 2009, 4:24:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Mike C. | Homepage | 03.16.09 - 4:07 pm |
 
Mike....Do you now like him again?  
I'm sure Ashley will be jumping all over you for an apology....or does that only happen to me?
March 16, 2009, 4:46:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Congratulations to Glenn Beck for a great showing in the ratings on Friday.
 
It could not happen to a nicer, more down-to-earth guy.
March 16, 2009, 5:06:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
GOPHater Says:
 
For what Fox has done, and is still doing, to the country… Would someone please blow up their buildings? Please????
 
_________________
 
hagster, this was a comment at tp from your link, is that you?
March 16, 2009, 5:09:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Haggis | 03.16.09 - 4:51 pm | #  
 
hhhaaaahhhhaaaaahhhaaaahhhhhaaaa
 
priceless!!!!!!
March 16, 2009, 5:13:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 03.16.09 - 5:14 pm |
 
OS...Instead of going off the topic I posted about with ramblings...Can you tell us if your happy about the disingenuous editing done by FNC?
March 16, 2009, 5:52:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Mike....Do you now like him again?  
I'm sure Ashley will be jumping all over you for an apology....or does that only happen to me?
Haggis | 03.16.09 - 4:51 pm | #  
 
If you actually read MikeC's post, he did apologize. Hag - You can learn many things from Mike C.
March 16, 2009, 6:06:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
OS...Instead of going off the topic I posted about with ramblings...Can you tell us if your happy about the disingenuous editing done by FNC?
Haggis | 03.16.09 - 5:57 pm | #  
 
Haggis whining about someone else going off-topic. That's rich!
March 16, 2009, 6:07:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Gotta love those Friday ratings. FNC absolutely dominates in overall and the demo. Wow!! Poor little Keithy, his live show demo can't even beat BORs rerun demo. Excellent job to all at FNC including GB, BOR, and SH.
March 16, 2009, 6:19:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Missy
Did anyone read the link re: Lou Dobbs? Gawker calls him a xenophobe and a hypocrite, because it turns out Dobbs wife is Mexican, and her Mexican parents actually live with them.
 
But instead of accusing Dobbs of being a hypocrite, maybe Gawker should LISTEN to him and realize that it's not Mexicans he's against, but people of ANY ethnicity who enter our country illegally. Is the concept of illegal entry really that difficult to understand?
March 16, 2009, 6:26:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Ashley | 03.16.09 - 6:11 pm |  
 
Hold your horses there....the apology posted by Mike hadn't appeared when I posted my comment at 4:51 pm
 
Ashley | 03.16.09 - 6:12 pm |
 
Your also trying to jump off topic....What have you to say about the disingenuous editing done by FNC?  
 
It's a funny thing here....When FNC are in the wrong....Everyone will talk about anything else but the topic at hand.
March 16, 2009, 6:31:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
hagster, tp is making a mountain out a mole hill. Now, would it be safe to say that post was made by you?
March 16, 2009, 6:31:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 03.16.09 - 6:36 pm |
 
lol....I thought you'd brush the editing outrage off....wonder if you'd be saying the same thing if Keith had done it...I don't think so.  
 
just to put you straight on the post you refer to....No it wasn't me....I'm HSUK over there.
 
I'd imagine you yourself probably made the post...In your undercover role ....Hoping Bill saw it and gave you a mention.
March 16, 2009, 6:40:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Your also trying to jump off topic....What have you to say about the disingenuous editing done by FNC?  
 
It's a funny thing here....When FNC are in the wrong....Everyone will talk about anything else but the topic at hand.
Haggis | 03.16.09 - 6:36 pm | #  
 
Haggis, frankly you have a lot of nerve accusing me of jumping off topic, there have been countless times you have been asked by me and others to respond to a number of issues, yet you avoid them like the plague. And now suddenly, you think you have something and we must respond to you???
 
Regarding this one, I don't know what the accusation is as I will not go to that website and look at it. Why should I? Think Progress has zero credibility and has been caught in numerous lies. As far as your analysis of what they have supposedly posted, well you know what I think of your analysis.
 
There are people there who want to kill people who think like me. If you want to play in the same playground as those people, that's your choice.
March 16, 2009, 6:45:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Haggis | 03.16.09 - 6:36 pm | #  
 
FNC was wrong. It's my guess that they will admit it, offer an apology to VP Biden and their viewers without having to be asked and move on. Sort of like the vast majority of commenters here, with a few exceptions.
 
The fact that you try to defend yourself by accurately stating, "Hold your horses there....the apology posted by Mike hadn't appeared when I posted my comment at 4:51 pm," makes as clear as can possibly be made by anyone who has eyes to see the difference between you and ..........take your pick.  
 
There is one other thing you said that seals the deal regarding your mindset:
 
".......or does that only happen to me?"
 
It only happens to those who will not readily admit their mistakes, do so without excuses and sincerely try not to repeat them.
 
This may seem off topic to you, but I was laughing so hard when I read your  
4:51 pm, I had difficulty focusing on your original question.
 
I do have the answer.
March 16, 2009, 7:01:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
There are people there who want to kill people who think like me.  
Ashley | 03.16.09 - 6:50 pm |
 
Ooooh i'm sure if I posted on certain right wing blogs...They'd want to kill me.
So that argument is a bit weak.
As for not wanting to go to TP...yet another weak answer....After you've been there...just run CCleaner on secure deletion and no one will ever know.
March 16, 2009, 7:01:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I'm HSUK over there.
 
There isn't one "over there."
March 16, 2009, 7:13:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 03.16.09 - 7:18 pm |
 
I don't know why you are lying over this matter....but here's an image after I've logged in.
 
Of course you'll be apologising for your error....wont you.  
 
http://img191.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=46185_Think_Progress__122_506lo.jpeg
March 16, 2009, 7:27:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Leftist Ex-CNN Reporter Wins El Salvador Presidency
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509305,00.html
 
What are the chances of olbermann becoming the president of some third world country?
March 16, 2009, 7:37:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
It's true, there is a HSUK who has posted there. See for yourself...
 
http://tinyurl.com/ct7zpf
 
Some interesting stuff. I particularly like the one where HSUK brags about stealing a CD by downloading it from Limewire and not paying the royalties. I'd be shocked if this is the same HSUK who spent the better part of one evening attacking Hannity for allegedly having a pirated DVD.
March 16, 2009, 7:40:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
HSUK Says:
 
johnny dollar | Homepage | 03.16.09 - 7:45 pm |
 
Johnny....I think you also owe me an apology....In your haste to smear me you didn't read the whole post properly....I was commenting about someone called Gin downloading from Limewire.
This Gin person is probably OS undercover  
 
Whole post below:
 
I found it on limewire, no royalties either!
 
Comment by Gin — February 13, 2008 @ 1:11 pm
 
If Gin’s thick enough to use limewire, then RIAA won’t long in catching him.
 
Thanks for the heads up on Sheryl new album…Not out here in the UK until 18-2-2008 but I’ve just pre-ordered it.
March 16, 2009, 7:48:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
You are extremely correct, sir. My apologies.
March 16, 2009, 8:01:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 03.16.09 - 8:06 pm |
 
Thank you Johnny. Your prompt reply is appreciated.
Just a pity OS isn't as forth coming with his apology.
March 16, 2009, 8:04:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I think the Biden video was a mistake in editing. If Biden had said what he said within the context that FNC implied, the video would have not been necessary to make the point that the segment was making.
 
There is video of Pres. Obama, himself, talking about the intrinsic "stability" of our economic system. They certainly didn't need the Biden tape to make the point that the WH is now using the same rhetoric. Aside for the Pres, there is video of two WH spokesperson using McCain's rhetoric just yesterday on the Sunday news shows.
 
FNC need to offer an explanation as to what happened and apologize. They'll never convince their critics that it wasn't on purpose, but they need to answer up ASAP.
March 16, 2009, 8:08:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
but I was laughing so hard when I read your
4:51 pm, I had difficulty focusing on your original question.
vstol | 03.16.09 - 7:06 pm | #  
 
I'm delighted I gave you a good laugh....I suppose laughs are few and far between for Republicans these days...So take them when you can
March 16, 2009, 8:11:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Just a pity OS isn't as forth coming with his apology.
Haggis | 03.16.09 - 8:09 pm | #  
 
I guess I should have said "there hasn't been anyone posting as hsuk recently." What name do you use , now? Wait, don't bother.
March 16, 2009, 8:25:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Cecelia | 03.16.09 - 8:13 pm |
 
Nice post Cecelia...Good to see someone is willing to level criticism on FNC when it's due.  
 
"there is video of two WH spokesperson using McCain's rhetoric just yesterday on the Sunday news shows."
 
I think if you re-listen to what was said on the Sunday shows....You'll find these folk were saying "parts of" the economy is strong....Not the whole economy like McCain said.
 
I'm in the middle of a Columbia episode...So I'll get the videos as proof later.
March 16, 2009, 8:30:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I'm with Hannity and Gin on this issue.  
 
That aside, could you imagine ever seeing Ellen Brodsky apologising to OS or vstol when proven wrong like J$ just did for Haggis? This site is the polar opposite in honesty of NHs, who would have deleted any sign of their mistake.
March 16, 2009, 8:32:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 03.16.09 - 8:30 pm |
 
OS...A simple apology will do...It can't be that hard.  
 
FF....Lets hope OS doesn't let you down....He's still outstanding 1 apology.
March 16, 2009, 8:38:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Well Dennis Miller joked about Glenn Beck. How long will it take for sites to start claiming that Miller 'can't stand' Beck, or 'sees through' Beck, or whatever?
March 16, 2009, 8:40:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I'm a little behind on the factor, just saw the segment on McCain's daughter Meghan. She is NOT fat and shame on Laura for saying so! Meghan is gorgeous and happens to be hotter than Laura. Catty.
March 16, 2009, 8:43:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Ooooh i'm sure if I posted on certain right wing blogs...They'd want to kill me.
So that argument is a bit weak.
As for not wanting to go to TP...yet another weak answer....After you've been there...just run CCleaner on secure deletion and no one will ever know.
Haggis | 03.16.09 - 7:06 pm | #  
 
Haggy, I didn't say they would want to kill me, I said they want to kill people like me.
 
They are evil, rotten, lying, slugs. Why would you want to be a part of that?
March 16, 2009, 8:47:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 03.16.09 - 8:45 pm |
 
Johnny, do folk actually take Beck seriously? I'd give him 5/10 for comedic value....But only 1/10 for his cometary...he's on the outer fringes of reality in that department.
Didn't Shep even have a laugh at his(Beck) expense?
March 16, 2009, 8:51:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Wow that was fast. THanks for making my point, Haggis.
March 16, 2009, 8:53:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
and Haggy, I just adore how you ducked, dodged, and avoided my comment about how you always duck, dodge, and avoid.
 
Haggis just being Haggis.
 
Oh, and by the way, regarding my comment above at Think Progress, I doubt that all are evil, rotten, lying slugs. But many are, and that sandbox has been visited by cats way too many times.
March 16, 2009, 8:53:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
They are evil, rotten, lying, slugs. Why would you want to be a part of that?
Ashley | 03.16.09 - 8:52 pm |
 
Steady yourself....obviously you've just been Factorised....That's Bill talk if ever I've heard it. :lol:
March 16, 2009, 8:56:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Haggis | 03.16.09 - 9:01 pm | #
 
It's not Bill talk, the comment OS pulled from there wouldn't be allowed on a site with any positive intent or moral standards. Hell, it wouldn't even survive NH standards, and that really says something!
March 16, 2009, 9:09:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
I'm delighted I gave you a good laugh....I suppose laughs are few and far between for Republicans these days...So take them when you can  
Haggis | 03.16.09 - 8:16 pm | #  
 
You, Sir, are far off the mark with your supposing.  
 
The current administration magic and vaudeville show with headliners like cable slapstick comedians Olbs & Shuster, the acrobatic sister act RAM (Rachael, Andrea & Mika), magician Matspews the Malicious, ventriliquism act Frank & Barneyand many, many more along with the chorus line BlueLegsBlogs and the Liberal Smear Machine Orchestra and Chorus, it's a laugh a minute these days.
 
Even so, great thanks for your contribution.
March 16, 2009, 9:13:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 03.16.09 - 8:58 pm |
 
Come on Johnny....You've got to admit Colbert did a fine job at lampooning Beck and his Mr. Bean world of reality.
March 16, 2009, 9:14:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
There is a phone call that the audio equipment accidentally picked up around 07:00 on Hannity. It's a woman taking to multiple people, too funny.
March 16, 2009, 9:17:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Ooops it looks like OS has been outed over at TP  
 
"Too late, habib. Your mole has been discovered and outed.
 
nice try at a false flag op."
 
OS...you should be ashamed of yourself....Calling for that sort of action.
March 16, 2009, 9:21:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Johnny...You've disappointed me...I thought you'd have just leaped onto your conspiracy horse over this one  
 
I 1st posted about the edited clip here at 3:56 pm....Then a post appeared over at HN on the same subject at 4:48 PM...It's worth thinking about.
March 16, 2009, 9:51:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Haggis | 03.16.09 - 9:56 pm | #
 
Wow, that's amazing! It's not like NHs read TP or this site or anything...
March 16, 2009, 10:43:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
Not only do the mutts read this site every day, they also have a thread devoted entirely to show homage to him.
 
I think they call it something like:
 
The One and Only Johnny Dollar, or something like that. It seems to be very popular with a lot of traffic.
 
I think that is so sweet of them, don't you?
March 16, 2009, 11:06:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
hagster is the "cap quack" aka "republicans hate facts" at tp. His little "oops" gave him away.
March 16, 2009, 11:13:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Ooops it looks like OS has been outed over at TP
 
---------------
hagster, you loons can't pin that post on me. If it was me I would have been banned and you damn well know that.
March 16, 2009, 11:18:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Haggis,
 
I told you I had the answer to your 3:56 pm question, but you don't seem to be interested any longer.
March 16, 2009, 11:20:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Puck30
Looking at the ratings of the 6PM EST slot at MSNBC I think the more appropriate statement should be......
 
Who is this twit David Shuster?????
March 16, 2009, 11:21:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
republicans hate facts Says:
OOPS Archie, looks like TP is funded by a LARGE VARIETY of sources and is not a *soros* site!!! ROTFL!! You’re too f***ing funny Archie!!! Delusional but FUNNY!!! 
 
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Who outed who, hagster?
March 16, 2009, 11:33:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
republicans hate facts Says:
 
Habib Says:
http://olbermannwatch.com/audios/olbypocrisy1.mp3
 
Ah the famous EDITED CLIPS without CONTEXT, SCRIPTS or SURROUNDING INFO..
 
You LINK THAT DISCREDITED SITE, you are INSTANTLY MARKED as a PROPAGANDIST MORON!! OOOPS!
March 16, 2009, 11:55:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I think they call it something like:
 
The One and Only Johnny Dollar, or something like that. It seems to be very popular with a lot of traffic.
 
I think that is so sweet of them, don't you?
Grammie | 03.16.09 - 11:11 pm | # 
 
Yep, the Mutts have an entire thread dedicated to Johnny Dollar. At the same time they whine about how irrelevant this site is.
 
They are just pissed off because they occaisionally get caught up in their own lies and distortions.
March 17, 2009, 9:03:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I think that is so sweet of them, don't you?
Grammie | 03.16.09 - 11:11 pm | # 
 
It really is, Grammie.
 
It's obvious that most of them enjoy Johnny Dollar and his site as much as we do.
 
It's a strange dynamic that none of them seem to have had the common benefit of being taught how to behave in pubic, etc. I suppose it does make sense that people like that would flock together. 
 
It's a pity because they seem to long to enjoy this board and they follow Johnny assiduously. 
 
It's obvious that they wish very much to enjoy themselves by participating here, but can't stay long because of their difficulties with socialized behavior.
 
Again, it's a pity, and we can only hope that they are better parents to their own children, despite the fact that seem to have come from such gritty environments.
March 17, 2009, 11:23:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Again, it's a pity, and we can only hope that they are better parents to their own children, despite the fact that seem to have come from such gritty environments.
Cecelia | 03.17.09 - 11:28 am | # 
 
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PLEASE!! NO!!! Don't let the Mutts breed!!!
March 17, 2009, 12:04:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


A good comrade
Most interesting
March 17, 2009, 12:26:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
PLEASE!! NO!!! Don't let the Mutts breed!!!
Blackflon | 03.17.09 - 12:09 pm | # 
 
That's not very charitable of you, Blackfon.
 
You must realize that having their own children gives these people the opportunity to break the cycle of the sort parental neglect that they obviously suffered.
 
They WANT to be enjoy the lively conversation and a robust exchange here, but they can't keep it together emotionally in order to do it.
 
They've been raised in households where aggression was emphasized over socialization.
 
They're going to have all the hostility and paranoia of the denizens in a prison exercise yard. It's all they know.
March 17, 2009, 6:05:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply