Thursday Links and Open Thread
Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:
Video: Joe Scarborough rips MSNBC!
MSNBC jumps the shark?
Wednesday's numbers: FNC landslide!
Jon Klein, spinmeister.
Scarborough disses MSNBC.
Bill Hemmer's Red Eye debut.
Muzzling CNBC?
Hotline after dark.
Coop in Newark.
Finally: a Maddow profile!
Q&A: Megyn Kelly. Vote: Cho v Jansing.
Ambushes then and now. Today's firing demand: flashback.
Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply. fox news cable news
Cecelia
Imagine the Think Progress articles (and how fast Haggis would trot over here with them) if Griff Jenkins used his crowd interviews to bad-mouth the crowd as being extremists fomented by 'leftwing cable channel' CNN or MSNBC.
Johnny, the difference between ambush interviews "then and now" is that then (and the NYT piece does at least reference Wallace and Moore) the term "stalk" was never part of the headline about those guys, as the NYT uses it with O'Reilly now.
April 16, 2009, 9:13:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
That's quite a revealing "then and now" video of Susan Roesgen too, Johnny.
WOW!
April 16, 2009, 9:15:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
There's a link on the Drudge Report to a Page Six bit about a meeting between NBC and GE brass (Jeff Zucker and Jeffrey Immelt) and CNBC over the honchos' concern that the business channel is Obama bashing.
Is this the sort of corporate intrusion by capitalist corporate whores, into the sacred news division, that we've heard so much about in the past?
Wonder if there will be any future Hollywood scripts featuring government subsidized 'Big Electric' squelching feisty truth-seeking reorters...
April 16, 2009, 9:38:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"Cooper, 41, was the first guest in the new "UD Speaks" series, designed to give the university community opportunities to hear from world-class leaders. He spoke at the Bob Carpenter Center, where organizers said fewer than 100 of more than 1,600 tickets remained an hour before his 8:30 p.m. start.
As anchor of "Anderson Cooper 360," CNN's weeknight news digest, the New York City native is arguably one of the most powerful journalists on the planet, drawing from a global cast of correspondents who can step to the microphone at a moment's notice to discuss breaking world affairs on location."
Is it just me or does describing Anderson Cooper as "arguably one of the most powerful journalists on the planet" and especially a " world-class leaders" a bit, if not completely, over the top?
Silly me. Of course he is all that and more. Only the very best and brightest world-class leaders and jounalists could cut to the heart of teabagging with such insight and delicacy as Coop!
No siree, Coop refuses to be drawn into all that tripe such as why would tens of thousands of regular US citizens across our great land come together to bring their currently inpopular political views front and center.
Thanks for the link, Johnny. Without you I might have never realized what a truly great man of international import Coop is. :lol:
April 16, 2009, 10:33:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"For some journalism practitioners Mr. OReillys tactics are unsettling. Nobody should hijack the power of journalism or use the public airwaves (or cable signals) simply to settle personal scores, Al Tompkins of the Poynter Institute, a nonprofit that supports journalism education, said in an e-mail message."
Unbelievable! How could this be in the article without at least a footnote that KO is the Guinnes World Book record holder of Nobody should hijack the power of journalism or use the public airwaves (or cable signals) simply to settle personal scores, with BOR his prime target/victim.
That video of Susan R convinces me that she either has an identical twinn who sometimes takes over her life or she belongs on a soap opera for her obvious case of amnesia.
I just watched the complete video at Today's Firing Demand" and noticed that at one point she was actually stabbing her finger in the interviewee's face. I don't usually want people to lose their jobs over every little thing but in this case I can make an exception.
April 16, 2009, 10:55:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I will be away from the computer for a while. Comment moderation will be intermittent, so be patient.
April 16, 2009, 11:28:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
I was checking Media Matters today for an article about that so called CNN "reporter", Susan Roesgen at the Chicago Tax rally. You know what I found?
NOTHING! NADA! ZIP! ZERO!!
Interesting.
If the story is there it is buried somewhere.
April 16, 2009, 12:18:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
On those tea parties....
Mike Barnicle: "The larger point is that anyone who gets actively involved in government, no matter what, if they're out there, you say that's a good thing."
Mika: "I'd rather see this than apathy."
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Amen, sister!
Joe: "You look at these huge rallies, and I'm not going to mention names of people on networks that made sexual jokes, childish sexual jokes, about tens of thousands of Americans who went out and wanted to get involved in their government. I mean, it was really middle school jokes being made. I didn't hear those jokes being made when people on the left protested over the past eight years. And I would expect that from bloggers on the left. I would expect more than that from news outlets and it happened on several networks yesterday."
http://tinyurl.com/cxmw7c
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Names of people on networks?....Oh, you mean Rachel Maddow, David Shuster and Keith Olbermann?
Yep.....Classy.
April 16, 2009, 12:44:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
If the story is there it is buried somewhere.
Blackflon | Homepage | 04.16.09 - 12:23 pm | #
One would think that MM would mention a reporter, berating an interviewee then expressing their own political views rather than simply reporting on the event.
But of course, one would have to expect MM to be reasonable in order for that to happen. That would be an unreasonable expectation.
April 16, 2009, 1:09:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Now, what is there to make Media Matters interested in the Tea Party coverage, Blackflon?
After all, you merely had one CNN reporter attempting to imply that the protesters were all anti-CNN conservatives from the Right (they somehow shirk this task when copiously covering protesters who are anti-FNC leftists...).
You only had Rick Sanchez asking questions that implied the protesters were largely racists.
And then there was little thing with an MSNBC "reporter" launching into five minutes of double entendre for oral sex, culminating in his slow pronunciation of "Dick...Armey", not once but TWICE, just in case someone failed to get his meaning.
A stellar performance by the media in general, who will be the first to tell you that they don't promote political protests.
However, it's clear that they are certainly not adverse to promoting certain notions about conservatives in general and not adverse to prompting public contempt towards the Right.
Now, the media will point the finger at FNC and frame it all as justified criticism of their cable competition.
However, CNN and MSNBC should ponder the idea that perhaps their condescension and disdain towards a large segment of the tv viewing public is what helps FNC beat the hell out of them in the first place.
April 16, 2009, 1:21:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Well, even under his latest name, the l'il feller is complaining about MikeC and even Dennis Miller, saying Miller's not funny.
Perhaps the l'il feller ought to count the number of his own HBO specials and the number of late night comedy television shows of which he's been a cast member.
I thought Miller was hysterical last night. Loved the "somali want a cracker" line.
April 16, 2009, 1:25:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
I'm going to surprise you all with this post.
I'd like to commend Shepard Smith/Catherine Herridge and Mike Baker for doing an excellent job reporting on the DHS report yesterday.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/shepard-smith-blows-dhs-picking-tea
April 16, 2009, 1:25:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"http://crooksandliars.com/david-...dhs-picking- tea
Haggis | 04.16.09 - 1:30 pm | # "
I.m so glad that you are glad, Haggis.
Now if you want to turn a pleasant surprise into a tsunami like tidal wave of shock why don't you really do something completely original and give ua some links to the DHS documents?
April 16, 2009, 1:48:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
So I assume Haggis will not like F&F's questioning of the DHS secretary on the same report.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78wulwAB5b0
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The best question came from Steve Doocy when he asks her whether the Catholic Church qualifies as a potential terrorist threat, since they protest abortion.....Oh boy....Napolitano agrees to drop the footnote....lovely.
April 16, 2009, 1:54:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
:I thought Miller was hysterical last night. Loved the "somali want a cracker" line.
Ashley | 04.16.09 - 1:30 pm | # "
I thought it was so funny that I went to Fox and found a link to Miller Time videos but couldn't get them to work.
Probably its me screwing up again so here it is and maybe others can see it if they wan't to.
http://www.foxnews.com/oreilly/
Its working now.
Anyone who didn't see it last night it is top notch.
April 16, 2009, 1:58:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Haggis | 04.16.09 - 1:30 pm | #
Well that answers the question "Which left wing hate site will Haggy get his talking point of the day from?"
April 16, 2009, 2:02:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Count on CrooksandLiars to cluelessly excoriate criticism of the DHS reporting by expressly saying that such criticism abets and encourages rightwing terrorism!
April 16, 2009, 2:04:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
Doocy was just acting the goat as usual with that question about the Catholic church. I assume he knows that normal law-abiding citizens that protest abortion have nothing to worry about. The report was referring to folk who would use violence against abortion clinics.
April 16, 2009, 2:07:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
The FF interview was with Secretary Napolitano was terrific!
Far better than the one on Morning Joe.
I appreciate her admitting that some of the wording on the report was ill-advised (to say the least...) and I appreciate FF for an interview that illicited more than a standard-issue denial.
April 16, 2009, 2:35:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
http://tinyurl.com/cg5h8r
The above is a link to video of what went on with the protesters and CNN reporter Susan Roesgen, after the CNN cameras were turned off.
April 16, 2009, 3:00:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
"The report was referring to folk who would use violence against abortion clinics."
How do you know that Haggis? I read the report and it painted with a broad brush, not naming a specific group by name known to be violent. Even Secretary Napolitano responded that she would not have written the very footnote Steve was refrencing.
F&F did an excellent job in questioning Napolitano while MSNBC's poor show let the Obama administration strong arm them....Journalism versus, well.....
I like Mika and Joe personally, but their network is a sham.
April 16, 2009, 3:38:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
Ashley | 04.16.09 - 1:30 pm | #
The News Puppies are know worldwide for their lack of humor.
April 16, 2009, 3:40:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Good find, Cecelia.
Here I thought Susan R didn't have a sense of humour and she blows that idea out of the water when she said:
Why are YOU so antagonistic. :lol:
April 16, 2009, 3:45:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
cee | 04.16.09 - 3:43 pm | #
Cee, do you have links to any, or better yet, all the recent DHS documents?
I don't think anyone can make a fair judgment without having more info of what they say and what similarites and contrasts between the left wing threat vs the right wing threat.
Thanks.
April 16, 2009, 3:49:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Blackflon | Homepage | 04.16.09 - 3:45 pm | #
Also for their hypocrisy.
Frequently making homophobic statements, then complaining when someone else does.
Freqently calling women by the "C" word, referring to women as B's and "ho's", then getting outraged when the phrase "funbags" is used.
And of course, making a big issue about dumping the l'il feller from the site, then immediately allowing him back in the same day under a new name.
April 16, 2009, 3:58:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
It would be interesting to find out who leaked the DHS report to the media.
I just read that the report also cited the recent cop killer as an example of "rightwing extremism".
THAT has been a leftwing talking point.
To suggest that anyone who collects guns and who fears a judicial or legislative curtailment of the 2nd Amendment, is acting out of "rightwing extremism" if he goes off after fighting with his mom, is nuts.
What if the guy had shot the police in the act of robbing the bank, instead of the act of being enraged at his mother.
If we're going to say that this action was driven by this monster's political beliefs and is therefore suggestive of domestic terrorism, perhaps we should examine the politics of all thugs who murder law enforcement officers.
April 16, 2009, 4:05:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Grammie,
Or how the rightwing extremist warning got leaked.
April 16, 2009, 4:06:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
How do you know that Haggis? I read the report and it painted with a broad brush, not naming a specific group by name known to be violent.
cee | 04.16.09 - 3:43 pm |
Think about it for a minute...If the report was referring to ALL Catholics....Wouldn't you think law enforcement would be a little under manned to watch ALL of them.
April 16, 2009, 4:11:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Also for their hypocrisy.
Frequently making homophobic statements, then complaining when someone else does.
Freqently calling women by the "C" word, referring to women as B's and "ho's", then getting outraged when the phrase "funbags" is used.
And of course, making a big issue about dumping the l'il feller from the site, then immediately allowing him back in the same day under a new name.
Ashley | 04.16.09 - 4:03 pm | #
Let's add---
Deleting THEIR OWN posts when they come under scrutiny!
Having the site administrator describe the thread as having crossed the line from being occasionally objectionable, to needing a warning due to the number of "vile" posts. YET still feeling like they were unfairly criticized by people here who SAID PRECISELY THE SAME THING AS ELLEN...
April 16, 2009, 4:24:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Think about it for a minute...If the report was referring to ALL Catholics....Wouldn't you think law enforcement would be a little under manned to watch ALL of them.
Haggis | 04.16.09 - 4:16 pm | #
I'm so glad Secretary Napolitano is subtle enough to understand and to have said that the wording of the DHS report on this matter, bothered her too.
April 16, 2009, 4:26:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
Ashley | 04.16.09 - 1:30 pm | #
I always like to slap them down with one of O'Reilly's favorite statements.
"You cannot point to someone else's bad behavior to justify your own".
They do it all the time. Anisha has a post showing someone from Fox at one of the rally's using the "fascist" word to justify what the CNN reporter did. Although I don't believe he was an actuall journalist.
April 16, 2009, 4:40:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Went to check out the mediabistro ratings numbers, absolutely steller for Fox (which had more viewers in primetime than CNN/MSNBC/HLN combined!! And of course, Keithy's first run couldn't beat BOR's rerun.
Had to laugh at this comment from MB poster pinkpinkbear:
pinkpinkbear 1 minute ago
The Ed Show will catch on once people see it. I have high hopes for this show.
Keith O. and Rachel rock the ratings as usual. Don't believe the ratings chart. More people watch then you think.
Tonight Keith O. will talk about the CIA under Bush and the torture that was done. Tune in! Should be good.
Well pinky - your theory about Ed's viewers sound good, but the ratings clearly show that people were watching him, but they continue to tune out each day. His ratings have plummeted.
If what you say about Keithys and Rachels ratings are true, then either people are ashamed to admit they watch those shows, or statistically FNC also has more viewers than you think.
Last point, Keithy is going to talk about Bush? What a surprise! Perhaps Keithy will have an original thought someday.
April 16, 2009, 4:52:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
I always like to slap them down with one of O'Reilly's favorite statements.
"You cannot point to someone else's bad behavior to justify your own".
Blackflon | Homepage | 04.16.09 - 4:45 pm | #
But the hounds believe that their use of vulgarities makes them appear to be witty and intelligent.
Then you have the l'il feller commenting that everyone here lies in every post. However, the little one is not competent enough to back that up with factual evidence.
April 16, 2009, 5:05:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Wow, that MSNBC Jumps the Shark article is excellent. The last sentence is "spot on".
April 16, 2009, 5:11:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
FoxNews ratrings a tidel wave leaving CNN, MSNBC & Headline News in a drowning pool of lost viewership. This is an old fashioned butt kicking up one side of the field and down the other. Wonder what tonight will be like for the"If you are not the lead dog, the view never changes" pretender networks?
April 16, 2009, 5:16:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
onefortheroad
Cecelia | 04.16.09 - 3:05 pm | #
Thank you for posting that second u-tube video from Illinois. It explains the reporters statement about the state of Lincoln and also highlights that she was being harassed in the earlier video, and that the harassment continued.
Now as to the other conversation: You are attacking your government, not the Canadian Military.
I think I see, its as clear as mud. You are carrying on two conversations, on two different threads and you have combined both trains of thought in that post.
Cee tells me, on this thread, I think, Cecelia's remark was subtle, cogent and true....meeting her usual high standards.
cee | 04.16.09 - 2:15 pm | #
If you are worried that we may, send down our abortionists. Have no fear; we keep them firmly in hand. Our Catholics, well I cant make any promises there. A fair number of them are French, dont ya know, and they are always unpredictable. As to anarchists well we really dont have any of those, I dont think, unless you wish to lob the French Separatists into that group, but being French they would rather love than fight so again I think you are safe.
I think that clears up that matter. My next problem is which thread to post this one. I dont want to be chastised yet again, just when I thought I had figured out your system!
April 16, 2009, 5:52:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Gee, Johnny, you have visitors from Saipan to the Hawaian (?) Islands and quite a few points in between such as Oslo and Helsinki.
Whassup?
April 16, 2009, 6:45:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Grammie, HotAir.com had an excellent story comparing the current DHS report to one from the Bush era report the left is trying to use to say this was not a big deal.....
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/04/15/the-vaunted-left-wing-extremism-report/
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The lack of breathless coverage (especially from "RESIGN!" Olbermann) of the broad brush strokes the Obama administration makes with regards to monitoring our fellow free citizens is chilling indeed. Another, "What if Bush had done it," moment to be sure.
And Haggis, the report does not specifically say the people have to be followed, it is an "alert" to law enforcement to basically profile people based on their ideological beliefs. No specific groups or threats are mentioned unlike the Bush era document.
The report was wrong to be so general and even give the impression that we should be distrustful of returning veterans. The timing of the release is also ironic.
April 16, 2009, 6:49:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
14tr,
I don't know whether you've figured out our "system" or not, but I can't certainly vouch for the fact that you have extreme difficulties deciphering what you READ.
No, I wasn't saying anything about Canadian terrorists coming down south or about the Canadian military per se.
However, I doubt the Canadian govt takes your view that any talk of domestic rghtwing or leftwing terrorism in your country is like accusing hell of having snowmen. So my statement wasn't so irrelevant as to be completely obscure to you.
What I was doing was making an ironic point, that credit should be given where credit is due.
Red Eye may lampoon the Canadian military, but the U.S. government insults its own troops.
The entire U.S. of A. (including its cable comedy shows...), should give Canada a big thumbs up for the fact that when considering issues of domestic terrorism, Canada doesn't find it necessary to profile its own veterans, as my govt has.
Now lets move on to the next analogy, joke, bon mot, news report, blog owner rule, or compliment, that you will have difficulty understanding, or will find some offense in.
April 16, 2009, 6:58:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
Thanks for the link, Johnny. Without you I might have never realized what a truly great man of international import Coop is.
Grammie | 04.16.09 - 10:38 am | #
Cecelia & Grammie,
I'm not going to say one word about Coop.
Aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggghhh. Avast ye mateys. Swab the poop deck, man the cannon, raise the Jolly Roger. Unsheath ye blades and prepare to board the scurvy vessel.
April 16, 2009, 7:02:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Thank you for posting that second u-tube video from Illinois. It explains the reporters statement about the state of Lincoln and also highlights that she was being harassed in the earlier video, and that the harassment continued.
onefortheroad | 04.16.09 - 5:57 pm | #
You're welcome.
Well, putting aside the fact that Ms. Roesgen, herself, amply demonstrated why she was heckled, both the lady that she spoke with after the CNN cameras were off, and the girl at end who said that the reporter wanted to make them look like "bad people", made that perfectly clear as well.
April 16, 2009, 7:06:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I appreciate that link too, CC.
The CNN reporter said in the on-air part that it was an event driven by republicans and Fox, but when taken to task by the "republicans suck too end the fed" sign that was right behind her, she said "I didn't say it was about republicans or democrats".
CNN, the most trusted name in news.
April 16, 2009, 7:45:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggghhh. Avast ye mateys. Swab the poop deck, man the cannon, raise the Jolly Roger. Unsheath ye blades and prepare to board the scurvy vessel.
vstol | Homepage | 04.16.09 - 7:07 pm | #
Shall we make him walk the plank, Grammie?
April 16, 2009, 8:04:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"Aaaaaaarrrrrrrrggghhh. Avast ye mateys. Swab the poop deck, man the cannon, raise the Jolly Roger. Unsheath ye blades and prepare to board the scurvy vessel.
vstol | Homepage | 04.16.09 - 7:07 pm | # "
Only if we can't get him to "swab the poop" erh "poop deck".
April 16, 2009, 9:01:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Cee, thanks for the links.
It would take days to deconstruct and make a point by point comparison.
However, just reading the two back to back proves that the left wing assessment named some specific groups and specific actions by those groups and a certainty that they were strengthening and pose even larger risks.
The right wing assessment lacks all of that and is rampant with words and phrases such as could; might; no evidence; no indication; etc in relation to the threat.
I found this in the RW Report:
"Federal efforts to influence domestic public opinion must be
conducted in an overt and transparent manner, clearly identifying United States
Government sponsorship."
Surprise, surprise surprise there was no mention of the Government attempting to influence opinion at all much less how to.
It is not an easy read but I feel it was worth it and I'm sure I'll go back to it.
Whoever wants to see the source documents there are very good embedded links in the pieces.
Again, thanks Cee.
April 16, 2009, 9:25:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
onefortheroad
but the U.S. government insults its own troops.
Cecelia | 04.16.09 - 7:03 pm | #
Perhaps this conversation is taking place in yet another place, a third thread, but I dont remember reading of any insult to your troops, nor their being profiled in any way. If I had perhaps I would have understood your reference and not asked for clarification. However, usually when one asks for clarification it is met with some form of explanation, not hostility.
As you can see hostility tends to lead to hostility.
Now as to your private war between Fox, CNN, MSNBC etc., I will leave you to hash it out amongst yourselves. I receive neither Fox nor MSNBC so I am not exactly qualified. I signaled out no network in my post, just a generalization that worrying about ratings seems a bit superficial, given the numbers I was looking at. You obviously dont agree so carry one, by all means.
As to my lurking, although that may be on the other thread, I take you do not appreciate foreign guests so I take my self off and try another day. Perhaps you are overwrought at the moment so I wont hold it against you.
April 16, 2009, 9:51:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
This is not cable news related, (though it may be a topic in one of the shows at some point), but I ask J$ for his indulgence.
I just watched the YouTube video of Susan Boyle auditioning on Britain's Got Talent. I'd been hearing about it all day. A true viral video taken only a few days ago.
She has an incredible voice. Oh my God, she is such a fantastic singer who absolutely nailed that song from Les Miserables. If she chooses to go for it, she will become a big star. My wife and I were just in tears listening. Sheer beauty. I urge all posters here to check it out. Go for the long version, about 7 minutes long. You won't regret it.
Just as I'm about to hit publish, I catch Susan Boyle in a preview of the upcoming segment on Greta.
April 16, 2009, 10:55:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Doesn't she have the voice of an angel and a charming personality? Even Rush got a little teary eyed broken voiced and he is probably the least sentimental man I'm aware of.
I'm afraid that she was the victim of Jim Nabor's syndrome.
I'm happy for both her and us.
April 21, 2009, 10:02:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply
