Friday LInks and Open Thread
Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:
Jesse Watters slams Gawker. [Update: fake!?!]
Thursday's numbers: FNC crushes rivals!
Keith proclaims new nightly mantra.
Profiles: Bill Hemmer, Huckabee.
HuffPo slams Keith. For sale: NBC-U? Today's lament.
Q&A: Chuck Todd.
FNC's bleating demagogue?
Joe trashes Hardball.
Hotline after dark.
Imperfect pitch. CNN's tech blunder.
Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. fox news cable news
Cecelia
I sympathize with Greta over her wonky pitch.
I will say that Greta in that uniform, looks the cutest and the most modern that I've seen her look. I love her, but she should either stick to baseball clothes or appear on "What Not to Wear".
April 24, 2009, 9:06:39 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
It has begun. I told you so.
This from Ellen......
The rest of Miller Time was all drivel, the heartbreaking saga of Miss California losing the Miss USA title because she backs traditional marriage. Don't worry, honey, you're all right in Fox News' books, anyway.
April 24, 2009, 9:36:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
the pound is in a hissy fit because i pointed out that jesse bought some shares of GE-one had this insane idea of ge suing:
Intern Jess bought the GE shares under false pretenses-get access to GE meetings. GE should sue Intern Jesse and News Corporation for violating policy of video taping/audio recording a meeting without permission.
Antoinette | 04.23.09 - 11:06 pm
talk about crazy
April 24, 2009, 9:48:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Crazy and ignorant. There are no 'pretenses' when you buy stock. Nobody has to explain their reasons to purchase. You pays your money and you get your stock. And there is no GE policy against audio recording a meeting--especially a meeting in which he is a participant! What a maroon!
I suppose they are all too young or uninformed to recall 'Roger and Me'...where Michael Moore went to multiple GM stockholder meetings with camera to hector the CEO of GM. How did he get in? He bought GM stock. Just like Jesse.
April 24, 2009, 9:56:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
the hound/left is also in a hissy fit because jesse didnt identify himself as a fox news reporter-so what? is everybody there suppose to disclouse where they worked? and john t doesnt think anybody booed immelt-i heard the audio so i know the truth
so much bias-so little time for the left
April 24, 2009, 10:01:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
saw this on gawker:
http://gawker.com/5225016/ambushing-bill-oreillys-ambusher
April 24, 2009, 11:03:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
GREAT video (over at Olbermann Watch) of O'Reilly on Beck's show, talking about the financial interest GE has in promoting the president's agenda.
(I saw your tip about it yesterday, Johnny, but I missed the program.)
Bob Somerby of the Daily Howler, may see a 'robber baron' type behind any business with the temerity to make a profit..., but he correctly surmised that the boot to-the-head contempt shown by MSNBC towards political protesters last week, was a corporate approved tactic.
April 24, 2009, 11:09:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Speaking of the Daily Howler, Bob Somerby (in typical blue blog fashion), makes an ominous conjecture as to why transcripts of the Rachel Maddow Show are not showing up at the MSNBC site.
April 24, 2009, 11:42:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
I suppose they are all too young or uninformed to recall 'Roger and Me'...where Michael Moore went to multiple GM stockholder meetings with camera to hector the CEO of GM. How did he get in? He bought GM stock. Just like Jesse.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 04.24.09 - 10:01 am | #
He probably has stock in his IRA/401K as many people do but may not even know it.
Note to Antoinette. STFU!!!! until you know what you're talking about.
April 24, 2009, 12:13:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Even after reminding the l'il feller, he still can't seem to get it right.
Troyer was so polite when he first appeared, but he quickly morphs back into the vulgar Patrick in his writing
...
- problems differentiating between their, there, and they're ...
Ashley | 04.23.09 - 6:20 pm | #
I have to be honest do all the Dollarites, realize Obama won the election and all these conspiracy theory website Dollar uses are just extreme conservative b******t.
In they're pea brains they think McCain is President and Mother of the Year Palin is Veep.
So sad but true.
Posted by: David Troyer on Fri 4.24 11:12am
And the l'il feller pulls ahead by a nose.....
April 24, 2009, 12:27:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Re: Gawker piece linked by chris
If Jesse Watters becomes the recipient of his own treatment, so be it.
Live by the sword, die by the same sword, in my book.
Michael Moore once "watched" Lucianne Goldberg (of lucianne.com, mother of NR's Jonah Goldberg, and friend and ertswhile literary agent of that bane of Pres. Clinton's existence-- Linda Tripp) by posing a camera on the window of her New York apartment and broadcasting it on the web.
Nary a peep was made about THAT at the time, of course.
http://www.theawfultruth.com/press.html
April 24, 2009, 12:28:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
If I were Jesse, I'd walk right out to the camera and start talking. With FNC cameras also there, of course, to protect the record. He might begin by asking why Gawker claims he got into the stockholders meeting using the pretense that he's a stockholder. Pretense?!? Even GE has said, on the record, that he's a stockholder and has a perfect right to attend and ask questions.
April 24, 2009, 12:30:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
The possible sale of NBC-U is interesting. Is there some buyer that would like to add NBC and Universal Studios to their portfolio.
Anyone out there who already owns a movie studio and a TV network, say...uh, I don't know, uh perhaps 20th Century Fox and Fox TV and Fox News, and Fox Business Network, and Sky TV, want to expand their business?
Can you imagine if Rupert Murdoch made a play for NBC-U.
Wouldn't happen, but it sure would be fun if he tried.
April 24, 2009, 12:31:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Let me correct myself. Moore had TWO cameras placed outside of Goldberg's home in order to broadcast her whereabouts on the web!
April 24, 2009, 12:31:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
You've got to admit, Johnny, that it's ABSOLUTELY delicious to see liberals falling all over themselves with outrage over media exposure of GE!!
April 24, 2009, 12:35:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ramjet-formerly known as the a
I, in the great tradition of Glenn Beck, predicted the corporate profit connection of GE/MSNBC to the progressive green agenda over a year ago.
GE is one of the largest suppliers of compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFL) IN THE WOOORRRLD!.
April 24, 2009, 12:36:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Poor Jesse Watters and Bill O'Reilly.
They'll never get press like this...:
"Variety April 5-11 199
"Like an ultra-liberal superhero out to fight the bad guys, Moore claims to use the power of TV for good instead of evil, and the result can only be descibed as manic. The Awful Truth is a roller coaster ride of biting commentary, gut-busting humor and disturbing investigative journalism. A cross between "America's Funniest Home Videos " and "60 Minutes," The Awful Truth, like Moore's previous effort, "TV Nation," is guaranteed to offend, but once again sets the bar for the most daring show on television. If it were on Fox, it would be called "When Michael Moore Attacks.""
The New York Times April 4 1999
"As in the past, Mr. Moore can be counted on to defend downtrodden "ordinary people" like Mr. Donahue while taking aim at rigid (some might say easy) targets like bureaucratic corporations and double talking politicians. As ever, his chief weapons are his unblinking movie camera and his wicked, off-beat sense of humor, which usually manages to keep him from seeming sanctimonious as he plays a kind of schlumpy Robin Hood."'
April 24, 2009, 12:42:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
The Huffpo story on Olbermann sure hit the nail on the head.
He thinks he's Edward R. Murrow but he couldn't carry Murrow's notepad.
April 24, 2009, 12:42:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I, in the great tradition of Glenn Beck, predicted the corporate profit connection of GE/MSNBC to the progressive green agenda over a year ago.
GE is one of the largest suppliers of compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFL) IN THE WOOORRRLD!.
ramjet-formerly known as the a | Homepage | 04.24.09 - 12:41 pm | #
But perish the thought that a news show should go to a shareholders meeting in order to ask corporate honchos some tough questions, when it's about MSNBC/GE!
Liberals have argued that such things were necessarily done by Michael Moore and others, because the MSM would rather cover the kidnappings of suburban girls, than corporate-political collusion.
The schadenfreude that I feel over their reaction to this is worth a thank-you note to Jesse Watters and O'Reilly!
April 24, 2009, 1:00:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
By the way, you can follow Jesse Watters's adventures on twitter:
http://twitter.com/jessewatters
April 24, 2009, 1:12:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
Wouldn't happen, but it sure would be fun if he tried.
Ashley | 04.24.09 - 12:36 pm | #
Immelt probably has had enough of Olbermann and his gay sister. Not that there is anything wrong with that.
How about if Air America and NBC together. Two peas in a pod. That would be ugly.
April 24, 2009, 1:15:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
But perish the thought that a news show should go to a shareholders meeting in order to ask corporate honchos some tough questions, when it's about MSNBC/GE!
Cecelia | 04.24.09 - 1:05 pm | #
GE is a publically owned company.
They do business with the US Government - The US Taxpayer.
They take money in the form of bailout funds in order to help pay bloated salaries to bloated talk show hosts.
Anyone who believes that the press has no business going to that shareholders meeting is a dope.
April 24, 2009, 1:27:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Thanks for the twitter link, Johnny.
However, after reading Mr. Watter's musings, I am now aware that he probably does not have the necessary gravitas to withstand the sort of onslaught that is coming to him. (Oh, yeah, get ready, baby...)
Unless he's bucked up by some cooler, more mature types, we're likely to see him dissolve into the sort of whining and gracelessness usually seen from some on the left.
April 24, 2009, 1:48:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
GE is a publically owned company.
They do business with the US Government - The US Taxpayer.
They take money in the form of bailout funds in order to help pay bloated salaries to bloated talk show hosts.
Anyone who believes that the press has no business going to that shareholders meeting is a dope.
Ashley | 04.24.09 - 1:32 pm
Posted by: john t on Fri 4.24 12:47pm
Looks like we've got Little John T trained well. We post here, they copy and post it there. I must wonder though, if he has finally figured out why my post reads 1:32 and his reads 12:47? Hee Hee.
April 24, 2009, 1:54:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Anyone who believes that the press has no business going to that shareholders meeting is a dope.
Ashley | 04.24.09 - 1:32 pm | #
Especially given the fact that CNBC on-air talent Rick Santelli described himself as having been sent to "re-education camp" by GE honchos after his tirade against Obama Administration economic policy.
It was quite a "catch" for Watters to then get Immelt on tape as saying that he's strictly hands-off with MSNBC content!
The audio of audience reaction to THOSE statements by Immelt was priceless too!
April 24, 2009, 2:07:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
Note to Anisha,
Your guy is an employee of Fox. A cable news organization who is suppose to be covering the news, not creating it so they can cover it. Just a small difference that should be noted.
Posted by: Anisha PbD on Fri 4.24 11:39am
That "guy" is a stockholder of GE. He has every right to be there. What he did afterward in covering the meeting was his job.
Just a small difference that should be noted.
Edited By Siteowner
April 24, 2009, 3:04:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ramjet-formerly vstol
After being banned from the NH non-moderated O/T, anything goes unless you disagree with Big El Forum, I quite effectively used the Grand Accuser Jaytea and the paranoid schizophrenic Heck-man to post my comments there for me. not unlike a Stealth Computer Virus.
April 24, 2009, 3:12:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
anybody here familiar with liberalviewer-he has about 70 videos on youtube criticzing foxnews editing-claiming fox makes the gop look better and dems look worse-i'll give just one link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJKIoO3cXpM&feature=PlayList&p=A3BD2524FE99BD4D&index=2
any thoughts??
April 24, 2009, 3:39:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
From the Huffpo rant againt KO:
O'Donnell went on to say that, "I am, like Sean Hannity, one of those cowards, just like Dick Cheney... who has refused throughout my life to... ever subject myself to..." military service/mortal danger.
So, people who chose not to serve in the Military are cowards?
The left wing is fast to point to Sean, Rush, Cheney, etc. when this topic comes up, so let's examine some others who are in this category because they did not serve in the military:
Keith Olbermann
John Edwards
Harry Reid
Patrick
President Obama
Rahm Emmanuel
David Schuster
According to Lawrence O'Donnell's definition, each of those people is a coward.
I do not believe that all of these people are cowards. But, it is a terrible thing to call anyone a coward because they did not serve in the military.
A vast majority of american men have not served in the military. A vast majority of American men of draft age throughout the history of the draft, did not serve in the military.
Those that do accuse others of cowardice because they did not serve typically are cowards themselves, not for their own history of service/non-service, but for other reasons...and this brings me back to why I wrote "I do not believe that all of these people are cowards." Not all, not most, not some, just one. And that one is nervous this time of year...tornado season.
April 24, 2009, 3:39:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Liberal viewer does not impress me. I checked out one of his videos (about who's more fair on the torture memos) where he compared a long, long clip from Maddow, with about 30 seconds from O'Reilly. Then declared Maddow was "more fair" because she went into more detail about the caterpillar threat than O'Reilly did.
This is a classic propaganda technique: take one tiny detail that fits your spin and focus on it to make your point. NOt only is it a tiny detail, it's also a less relevant detail, because this 'insect threat' technique was never used! So it's a hypothetical 'torture' that never happened.
By focusing on this, giving Maddow, a long, long clip, and O'Reilly a 30-second snippet, he loads the dice to make his claim. He praises Maddow for how 'accurate' she was, but cites nothing O'Reilly said that was inaccurate. And of course, Bill hardly got two sentences out before he cut his mic.
Of course he chose O'Reilly, rather than take coverage from Shep Smith, or Judge Napolitano, or any of a dozen other possibilities. And then claims his video compares Fox News with MSNBC. Which it doesn't. It compares O'Reilly with Maddow, and does so in a lop-sided, dishonest fashion.
So you'll forgive me if I don't waste any time watching his latest production.
April 24, 2009, 3:51:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Oh, please!
FNC didn't create GE corporate lobbying of Washington, which makes NBC's and MSNBC's Obama Administration cheer leading (in the face of CNBC squelching) highly suspicious.
FNC didn't create the scuttlebutt (confirmed by Rick Santelli) that CNBC was taken to the GE woodshed for its criticism of Obama economic policies.
FNC didn't create Immelt's explicit statement that the corporate hierarchy is strictly hands-off with Obama-friendly MSNBC (unlike corporate actions with Obama-critical CNBC).
FNC didn't create the booing audience response to Immelt's answers to questions.
They merely asked the questions and taped the responses.
Good for them.
April 24, 2009, 4:04:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Newsbusters is reporting that Santelli and Kudlow on CNBC had some harsh words for TARP and the corruption in Washington regarding the bailout plans.
Sorry I missed the program.
I can now understand why someone might consider CNBC to be the "Gold Standard" of Cable Business News.
April 24, 2009, 4:04:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Ashley, I watched Lawrence O'Donnell give his treatise on COUNTDOWN last night, and he was entering Howard Beale territory. He was crazed.
Olbermann also entered the Beale universe last night, but with lie after lie in a very poorly supported historical analysis of waterboarding. He really was a democrat party apologist as well.
I actually am glad this issue is there as the ball of yarn, so to speak, distracting the radical left....it takes energy away from other things, makes them look radical and if moderates and the right don't take the bait, it will marginalize the left. Obama knows this and is why he has appeared so squishy with it all.
Olbermann, Maddow and the rest of the unhinged left can certainly take up the banner of "AMERICA TORTURED" but clear thinkers will keep perspective and remember why and on whom the enhanced interrogation was used.
If it all goes further into truth commissions or special prosecutors, I predict Bill Clinton's problems with the blue dress will be envied by Obama. There is only so much oxygen in Washington.
April 24, 2009, 4:05:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
j$ just take a look at just this one-its a older one-it came from special report when brit hume was anchor (or anybody else here and show me where he was wrong)-i havent seen any newer ones yet-all i'm asking is just one not all of them
April 24, 2009, 4:17:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I agree, Cee.
We can only hope that pressure from MSNBC and others DOES force congress and the WH to take the image of torture ala waterboarding, sleep deprivation, and insects in coffins, to the American public.
April 24, 2009, 4:28:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
No offense, but I doubt that you'll get even one taker, chris.
April 24, 2009, 4:29:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Hey, is it just my imagination or does David Troyer over at NH seem to take things personally when I talk about Patrick.
After my recent post where I wrote And that one is nervous this time of year...tornado season., Troyer goes on to claim that I am making fun of people who live in mobile homes and want them to die by tornado.
Isn't he reaching just a tad?
Yikes! I mention Patrick and Troyer just seems to go off the deep end....as if I was talking about his wife or something.
Yesterday I mentioned that I would prefer to live in So Cal in stead of farms, and Troyer claims I hate farmers.
I ask him where he would prefer to live, So Cal or Farms, and he avoids answering. Does he hater farmers?
April 24, 2009, 4:35:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
actually it doesnt surprise me-i kinda expected it
April 24, 2009, 4:46:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
actually it doesnt surprise me-i kinda expected it
chris | 04.24.09 - 4:51 pm | #
We aim to please!
April 24, 2009, 4:58:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Re: Hotline
"B. Bush: "Much harder the son. ... And I think he was criticized more, if that could be possible, than you were even. Although the 5,500 or 50,000 body bags were a little depressing. But it was harder for the son" (FNC, 4/23)."
Good lord!
April 24, 2009, 5:04:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
I ask him where he would prefer to live, So Cal or Farms, and he avoids answering. Does he hater farmers?
Ashley | 04.24.09 - 4:40 pm | #
They are not interested in responding. After all the created a whole new thread just to bash this site so that is what they do.
Ask for a response and all you get is the typical attack patterns.
Check out there posters sometime and see if how much disagreement there is over ther. Not much because they will run you off if you disagree.
( Countdown for the smearing to begin....3-2-1....)
April 24, 2009, 5:55:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
lol cecelia
great- more stuff for gawker to prove their point that jesee can dish it out but cant take it-cause dont the people that are usually ambushed use those lines or something to it? j/c
April 24, 2009, 6:45:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Re: "Keith proclaims new nightly mantra": I guess Keith wants to bait another Fox personality into a feud with him. Dream on, Merkle. Not happening.
April 24, 2009, 7:07:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Olbermann is waging an argument that is damaging to his own side, even more strongly than the Huff-Po writer imagined!
In Olbermann's Daily Kos blog (linked above), he's actually betting FOR the premise that waterboarding IS effective!
Olbermann is implying that after he's waterboarded for charity, Hannity will spill every deep dark secret he has and will offer his own mother up in trade for his freedom.
Oh, that'll help your side's argument that the practice never yields up anything of value, Keith...
April 24, 2009, 7:11:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Well, Chris, I looked at the first video that came up rather closely and just don't agree with you. The setup with the meanacing monotone voice doing both narration and quuotes for the Repub position and Repub Speaker while the Minority Leader was shown making a, by the sound bite standard, fairly long segment uninterrupted. Just that presentation alone disqualifies to a substantial degree whatever comes later.
Based on what I saw of the FNC coverage I thought it conveyed the difference between the votes by which party members and why fairly accurately.
Now, if you could show me the entire pertinent film and/or transcript that was available for them to compose what was a very very short segment there might be something there.
Additionally, if I remember correctly Hastert and the Repubs were in the cats bird seat on that one and the Dems wound up with a lot of egg on their faces. Most Americans then and now DO NOT favor giving foreign terrorists making war sans uniform or nation state to back them all the rights that we as American citizens enjoy.
April 24, 2009, 7:43:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
my question was what people thought about liberalviewer and his foxnews editing videoa and provided a link to one for thoughts-i tried to do a summary and i guess didnt do quite well-i dont have any transcripts of the program-thanks for your thoughts
on another note:
msnbc primetime: waterboarding is torture
foxnews primetime (host,some guests) waterboarding isnt torture
so which is it?
def. of torture:
Torture, according to the United Nations Convention Against Torture, is:
any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a male or female person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions.[1]
now does waterboarding fit that def.
any thoughts??
April 24, 2009, 8:14:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
We're not going to get into a debate about torture here. But you are free to discuss cable news coverage of it.
April 24, 2009, 8:39:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
ok-well the debate over it is on cable news and i'm not sure if the people on cable news actually know the real def. of torture before they say we do or dont do it
April 24, 2009, 8:46:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Chris, I watched the video in your link. Unfortunately, the coverage of Fox was so minimal about the issue it makes me wonder what else Fox aired that told the whole story. After all, it was surely covered by more than one host and the story liberalviewer described was just as likely aired as well. Hopefully you don't consider a minute of FNC in 2006 without evidence of the rest of the coverage as representative of anything. It's liberalviewer's opinion, and he/she is welcome to it. BTW, the voiceover was terrible.
April 24, 2009, 9:46:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
ok-all i'm asking is what u guys think of him and one of his videos that i linked to
has foxnews put anyone on during its hard-news time that says america tortures?
i'm usually at work and cant watch)
April 24, 2009, 10:35:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ramjet-formerly vstol
any thoughts??
chris | 04.24.09 - 8:19 pm | #
Yep, plenty, but none I'd care to share with someone who has no clue what they're talking about.
Glenn Beck "bleating demagogue
The hot new mob leader of 2009.-By Troy Patterson
Very well written smear job: excellent use of inuendo; ad hominem; spin; and real cutesy, intellectually superior prosopeia with a curious Slant.
April 24, 2009, 11:01:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
"has foxnews put anyone on during its hard-news time that says america tortures?"
I'm curious why you ask given you just said you don't watch, so I wonder why you're so invested in this issue to raise the question.
The answer of course is yes, many times. But I'm still puzzled about why you even raise the question about something you don't watch.
April 24, 2009, 11:11:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
ok-all i'm asking is what u guys think of him and one of his videos that i linked to
has foxnews put anyone on during its hard-news time that says america tortures?
i'm usually at work and cant watch)
chris | 04.24.09 - 10:40 pm | #
Answer to question 1:
We think that the dazzling strobe light of his expose is so blinding that we must hide in denial in order to escape the truth about the evil that is FNC.
Answer to question 2:
No, the evil Fox Empire has a virtual ban on any guest who would dare deviate from its Republican spin.
(Hey, it's late and a weekend. Why not let the boy be happy?)
April 25, 2009, 12:08:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
In regards to the torture debate, I have seen just as lively, well done and passionate debates on FNC "hard news" as I have on any network. The difference is that some (ahem, NBC NEWS), seem to tilt more towards endorcing the OPINION that some of the enhanced interrogation procedures were torture while I believe FNC has both sides equally and fairly presented.
If one watches a "quality program" like COUNTDOWN, one would leave with the impression that what was specifically done 2002-2006 in our country was the same thing done in 1896, 1942 or 1967....The facts seem to show something different but that "journalist" does not seem to care about that. Olbermann does not believe the issue is up for debate and he even goes further. He and the guests he choose have said those who feel a full debate should continue in determining if American inteliigence agents tortured are sadists, stupid and/or evil.
I believe what was done in 2002-2006 is not torture. The "waterboarding" was not the same thing that was done in previous prosecutions of many examples of "watercuring." I do not believe my opinion makes me a monster and many, including the former AG, seem to agree with me.
So, I prefer the FNC attitude that does not call me evil, sadistic, and stupid. How about you chris? Does MSNBC do a good job in their self-rightous way of basically saying a large number of our citizenry are not worth any attention, should be in jail....perhaps even tortured themselves because they disagree with an opinion they hold?
The lack of respect for people coming from NBC NEWS is the real controversy in journalism currently and is doing more damage to the minds and hearts of some than anything FNC can be accused of doing, or waterboarding for that matter! Primetime sermons masquerading as journalism that take advantage of the lowest common instincts in the viewers to basically hate others should be seen as wrong, damaging and radical.
It won't be because we have a new self-rightous and intolerant group pursuing authority. They hypocritically claim they will do a superior job in keeping all us "rabble" on the moral high ground instead of those they label as pious, anti-intellectual and intolerant. NBC NEWS is the place to become indoctrinated in that world view and that is a shame because it was once an unbiased, respectful and thoughtful organization.
April 25, 2009, 6:14:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
johnny: i cant watch because I'm at WORK during the day and come home after 5pm
thats why i asked- and i'm asking about the day time hours where the hard news is on
(i know about the opinion shows)
April 25, 2009, 1:14:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
cee-msnbc is very bias-there is so much evidence to prove it-its undebateable-and i laugh at KO and otheres that says msnbc doesnt have bias-msnbc has really damaged the nbc news brand-i dont think that "today" "nightly news" " meet the press" is as bad msnbc is esp. msnbc primetime
April 25, 2009, 1:19:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
cecellia-i ask a simple question-what you think-the easy/better answer is-we dont like or trust him-thats it
every since i start commenting here-you have been the most hateful towards me-the others have disagreed with me and have been respectful of it-not you-so again whats going on that makes you so unhappy about me being here-is it like you dont like to be challanged so you resort to hateful, sarasctic remarks?
April 25, 2009, 1:30:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Please. Cecelia's comment may have been sarcastic (not a problem by me...I majored in Sarcasm), but it's unfair to call it 'hateful'. It's just not true that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically 'hateful'.
April 25, 2009, 1:34:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
yes johnny-since hate is a strong word thats to freely used to describe people who disagree with each other
April 25, 2009, 2:05:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Fair enough, Chris.
I'll lay off the sarcasm and accept you for who you say you are.
April 25, 2009, 2:07:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
I can respect your opinion regarding other NBC NEWS programs, chris. I personally like Brian Williams and have a good opinion of his work.
However, on the rare occasion I watch NBC NN, there's a teaser for COUNTDOWN and I wonder how such poor quality programming can be tolerated by truly professional and unbiased journalists.
The teabagging jokes and Garofalo was the last straw for me.
April 25, 2009, 2:07:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
cee: yes the teabag jokes and garafolo went over the line
cecelia: ok-i'm just chris not anybody else-like i said before i wont hide behind false names-its dishonest and cowardly
April 25, 2009, 2:28:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
That's good to hear, Chris.
The last two people who said pretty much the same thing, after having commented on my "hate" when I treated them less than warmly... turned out to be Haggis as Chippy Minton and Patrick as Babbabooey.
BTW-- are you new here? Have you commented here before under any other name?
April 25, 2009, 3:16:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
David Shuster's career should not have survived his hour long spree of obscene double entendre.
THAT was just creepy, no way around it. I don't know how anyone who knows him could look at him the same way again.
April 25, 2009, 3:27:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
cecelia: new to commenting-i have been coming here for years-i actually found this site by accident one day when i was looking something else up-and when commenting always use my real name
April 25, 2009, 3:31:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I thought the teabagging comments were funny, but I'm a low brow humor kind of guy. I agree 100% with the tea party protester's message about overtaxation and dire effects of the socialist bailouts (that Bush started and Obama multiplied many times over).
In this day and age I expect such jokes to be made and am OK with laughing about them even if they're supposed to be dogging a cause I agree with.
April 25, 2009, 4:43:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"In this day and age I expect such jokes to be made and am OK with laughing about them even if they're supposed to be dogging a cause I agree with.
Fox Fan | Homepage | 04.25.09 - 4:48 pm | # "
I suspect that your attitude is much more a function of your age combined with society's ever loosening standards.
I'm not a prude nor am I a shrinking violet and would, I am sure, found most if not all of it funny in a private setting with friends and families.
We as parents always tell our children use your inside voice in the house not your soccer field voice.
Use your church words and manners and not your squabbling with your brothers and sisters voice and manners.
The entire night time line up at MSNBC doesn't have seem to have a clue of what is appropriat behavior as opposed to tottally offensive and inappropriate behavior.
April 25, 2009, 6:38:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
"I suspect that your attitude is much more a function of your age combined with society's ever loosening standards."
I agree. You had Mary Tyler Moore, I had Beavis and Butthead. Teabagging, donkey punching, and the shocker also happen to be frequent topics of discussion at my place of employment. And to think we all wear ties!
April 25, 2009, 7:53:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Guest
The inside/outside voice concept is never so appropriate and enchanting (and "adult" in the most delicious sense of the word) as when it applies to things having to do with the bedroom.
I feel sorry for any age group that relegates that "game" to the level of playing frisbee.
You don't know the wicked seductive thrill you're missing, sweety.
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April 26, 2009, 1:54:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Anon (Cecelia?), you are incorrect to assume I'm missing out on any seductive thrills based on my embracement of current phraseology of the colorful and dynamic English language.
April 26, 2009, 2:52:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
No, FF. Due to your embracement of the concept of making the senual into the banal. :D
April 26, 2009, 5:29:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
FF, I'm sorry but I think Cecelia just administered a coup de grace.
What's that old saying?
Girls rule and boys drool!
Cecelia, to make things more sporting perhaps you ought to spot the guys a good head start in the future.
April 26, 2009, 5:55:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Cecelia and Grammie, I prefer to keep terms such as donkey punching out of the bedroom and I'm sure my girlfriend thanks me for that. You can disagree, but you do I'll forever have a much different perception of you ladies. Coup de grace my ass!
April 26, 2009, 8:06:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"Coup de grace my ass!
Fox Fan | Homepage | 04.26.09 - 8:11 pm |"
No need to get kinky on us!
April 26, 2009, 8:35:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
now lets get back to cable news comments everybody
April 26, 2009, 10:44:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
chris | 04.26.09 - 10:49 pm | #
Mike C! I knew it was you! :lol:
April 26, 2009, 11:12:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
yikes... I'm not even going to look the "donkey punching" thing up.
April 27, 2009, 3:00:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
