Wednesday Cable News Links and Open Thread
Coop's exclusive that isn't.
Ailes: yes he's still in charge.
Tuesday's numbers: Bill-Sean-Beck 1-2-3.
Beck to CPAC; his new 'fan'. Luke to ABC?
Phony phone Fox. What are the odds?
Palin: rough, smooth, propaganda, fine, C+, a mascot.
Quake coverage: journos to Haiti. Canseco cancels.
Hotline after dark. Q&A: Mika. A bad week?
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Mike C.
Re: "propaganda": I guess David Zurawik won't be coming back on "The O'Reilly Factor," or FNC, anytime soon. I might as well retract my "Thank you very much" in the thread for Johnny's video of Z's "Factor" appearance.
January 13, 2010, 12:40:19 AM EST – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
What a pair and what an awful politicization of TV news.hat a pair and what an awful politicization of TV news.
What's zurawiks opinion of countdown?
January 13, 2010, 1:10:06 AM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Zurawik's a strange guy. Sometimes he's on the money (he isn't strictly partisan and I believe he's been critical of Countdown) but why does he go into high dudgeon over Palin? O'Reilly continues to have Marc Lamont Hill on his show despite Hill being dropped as an FNC contributor and a continuing effort to have Hill banned from FNC. O'Reilly's mix of guests is 1000% more diversified than what you see on Countdown or Maddow. Why does Palin get this reaction from Z, but not Karl Rove? It's strange.
January 13, 2010, 1:22:05 AM EST – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I love Palin as a citizen, politician, and public personality but agree with Z that she was horrid on BOR last night. I think the best role for her would be to replace Ron Schmeits as president of the NRA.
January 13, 2010, 7:12:00 AM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
You know what Pat? I don't believe you. Why should I believe you even saw this interview? The last time you made a similar statement it was about Glenn Beck being interviewed by Katie Couric. Another lengthy critique from you using even some strikingly similar language. And yet the curious thing was that your detailed reaction was published some 15 hours before the Glenn/Couric interview was published. When I asked how that was possible you vanished.
Now I'm asking again. If you want to keep posting "reviews" or anything else here, I want to know that they are not fabricated. So answer my question that you've been avoiding for months: how were you able to see the Beck/Couric interview 15 hours before anyone else, 15 hours before it was posted? Because if you lied about that, then you could be lying about this, and in either case we have no use for liars in our comments. If again you refuse to answer that will be taken as an admission.
UPDATE: Somehow Echo swallowed up Pat Pomeroy's comment that I was replying to. I've been in contact with them to try to get it reinstated (it was probably something dumb I did but I'm supposed to be able to manage this stuff and the manager isn't working for me). Until it gets reinstated, I'll just clarify that PP's point was that the Palin/O'Reilly appearance was chaotic, scattershot, and a few other things like that. With any luck I'll be able to resurrect the actual message back in its proper place when/if Echo gets back to me on this.
January 13, 2010, 9:47:58 AM EST – Like – Reply
ImNotBlue
I agree, $. Pat mentioning NOTHING specific about the interview... no quotes, no issues, no nothing. The whole thing was probably written long before it ever aired.
I call shenanigans!
January 13, 2010, 10:51:21 AM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
"The whole thing was probably written long before it ever aired."
Just like last time!
January 13, 2010, 11:20:58 AM EST – Like – Reply
Lurker
Ban his ip
January 13, 2010, 12:53:48 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I'm not going to do that at this point, because I owe him the opportunity to explain himself. Besides, who would want to miss reading that explanation: it should be a pip! But if he doesn't respond and explain his apparent lying, then we will have to make him a moderated commenter, wherein his messages will have to be approved before they appear. And approval will be contingent on his explaining himself.
January 13, 2010, 1:24:28 PM EST – Like – Reply
Blackflon
Maybe you should have actually watched the segment with Palin. Then you would know what it was about. Nice try, though.
January 13, 2010, 1:02:41 PM EST – Like – Reply
Pat Pomeroy
I dare say there would be little about which you and I agree, and I am not bothered by the fact that you hold views different than mine. I should modify that. I agree with your contention that NewsHounds is a trash site. I simply elect not to obssess endlessly over it to the point of promoting the site. Now, Go In Peace and Do Good In the World.
January 13, 2010, 1:44:00 PM EST – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I'm inclined to agree with Verne Gay's C+, but I have a slightly improved grade for the Governor: a B. She sounded more like she was campaigning than analyzing. That said, it was her first time. Hopefully, she'll improve with each appearance on FNC.
January 13, 2010, 12:06:20 PM EST – Like – Reply
Pat Pomeroy
I think there is some reasonable hope for that. FOX did seem to rush her a bit, and her abyssmal performance, I tend to think a "D" may improve. My one concern is her apparent inability to take any criticism as constructive. That may mean no change over time. Let's hope that doesn't happen.
January 13, 2010, 1:45:38 PM EST – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
PP must have caught a red-eye to personally dig people out of the rubble in Haiti. Good luck, PP!
January 13, 2010, 12:45:39 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Check out the 'newest fan' link. I had been wondering what Patrick has been up to...
January 13, 2010, 1:28:47 PM EST – Like – Reply
Mike C.
At least he doesn't want me dead.
January 13, 2010, 1:34:15 PM EST – Like – Reply
IM Right
I've never read anything from the li'l feller where he's implied any violence to you Mike. To me, however, he has threatened violence. Patrick cannot ever win in the realm of legitmate debate so he resorts to the gay slurs and potty talk. Since he has proven himself to be a coward and a liar (lying to the NH poster when he claimed that he moved), and that there is no way he could use assault tactics learned in the armed services when we know he couldn't have served in the armed services, I don't lose a moment of sleep.
January 13, 2010, 2:12:59 PM EST – Like – Reply
IM Right
The poster "literally" wants to assassinate Glenn Beck. That is surely something the intolerant left as evidenced by the li'l feller and John T would surely post. They're imbeciles and have no problem posting their rages.
January 13, 2010, 1:33:27 PM EST – Like – Reply
IM Right
The left is flying into a rage over Palin being hired as Fox News Commentator. Paggis Haggeroy above says it shows FNC is right wing because they hired a former GOP contender for VP.
What about when any of the nets hired Wesley Clark, wasn't he a Dem presidential contender? Even Fox hired him for a short time. I don't recall the left criticiziing anyone for hiring that guy.
January 13, 2010, 1:37:29 PM EST – Like – Reply
Mike C.
And CNBC/MSNBC hiring Howard Dean.
January 13, 2010, 2:52:14 PM EST – Like – Reply
IM Right
Excellent point Mike.
January 13, 2010, 3:53:46 PM EST – Like – Reply
Pat Pomeroy
I resent being called a liar, particularly by the likes of some of the posters here. The fact is, I had a full, first hand review of the Couric interview of Beck the morning it aired, and I watched some of the clips, very limited, released as promos. Simply because one doesn't run a fan website doesn't mean that one doesn't have friends and familiy members who work in the media. I can tell you that several of the British newsrooms were in high humor over the Beck interview long before it was aired in the US. I don't understand the prickliness, here. I specifically commended O'Reilly, and I noted that I find it not in the least objectionable that FOX is a rightist news outlet. In fact, I think it perfectly proper. The prickliness and the protestations and the amusing insistence that FOX presents balanced coverage suggests some sort of inferiority conmplex from and about the network. There need be none. In the US, MSNBC has a pronounced bias. In Europe, Figaro has one. Just examples, but nothing wrong there. Media outlets are not required to be objective. As for dealing with the substance of the Palin performance, how can I? There was none. That is my point. She is a woman without substance, without belief except in herself, and that is the only substantive matter she ever addresses., as she did last night. There is nothing wrong in someone liking and admiring her. I don't. As an American who has not be resident in a couple score of years and likely will never be, I find her a profound embarassment. I ought not been attacked for that belief. I fail to understand why you are so threatened by that.
January 13, 2010, 1:41:11 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
"I had a full, first hand review of the Couric interview of Beck the morning it aired"
It didn't air in the morning. It aired in the evening. You posted your 'review' in the morning, 15 hours before the interview ever appeared.
"I watched some of the clips, very limited, released as promos"
So did the rest of the world. So are you saying that you based your 'review' of a 45-minute interview on a two-minute snippet? That seems odd given how you described Beck being all over the place in an interview--something you couldn't possibly know from a promo snippet that represented approximately 2% of the interview.
"doesn't mean that one doesn't have friends and familiy members who work in the media"
HOw is this relevant? Are you saying someone you know at CBS got this highly embargoed interview to you 15 hours before the rest of the world? I know people who work at CBS and I couldn't get it ahead of time. But wait, you're not actually saying that are you? You're just mentioning people who 'work in the media' without actually stating that you got the interview 15 hours early from them.
So why the slippery language? Did you see the entire interview 15 hours ahead of everyone else, thanks to 'friends in the media'? Or did you base your review of a 45-minute interview on two minutes or less of promos clips? Enquiring minds want to know! I expect a direct answer to this question.
"I ought not been attacked for that belief"
I thought you were questioned not for your belief, but over your damaged credibility thanks to an odd claim to have viewed something 15 hours before it existed.
"I resent being called a liar"
I don't believe anyone has said you are a liar. The concern is that your story didn't add up and people don't believe you. That makes your story look untrue. An appearance that we are eager for you to dispel.
"particularly by the likes of some of the posters here"
Well none of them has claimed to have seen something they couldn't possibly have seen, so that gives them a leg up on you I'm afraid.
January 13, 2010, 1:57:22 PM EST – Like – Reply
Pat Pomeroy
The morning of the day it aired. Of course, it didn't air in the morning. CBS Evening news is 18:30 Hours, US EST. The interview itself was pre-recorded and, apparently shared rather widely. That's not so od, is it. I still don't understand your hostility and your overly-sensitive nature. Borne of denial, who knows. At any rate, I enjoy your blog and most of your bloggers. Blackthon's mindless repetition is a bit tedious, but he seems to enjoiy hearing himself, so no problem for me.
January 13, 2010, 5:18:29 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
This story of yours is getting more and more confusing. The Beck interview wasn't from the CBS Evening News. It was Couric's first of a weekly series of interviews published online. As for your claim that it was "shared rather widely" before it was published, that's just factually untrue. I'm not aware of one website that published it ahead of CBS, which would be evidence that it was shared 'rather widely'. Can you point to some of these websites, and perhaps also explain how none of the media and/or tech writers reported on this breach of CBS's embargo? If it happened 'widely' I'm sure there were numerous reports about it.
If you want to understand what you call my 'hostility' it could be because of the far-fetched nature of your claims. That and the fact that each time you were asked about it, up until this last time, you refused to answer or even address it. How odd.
But I asked you for a direct answer to a question, and you have yet again not answered. I'm not going to repeat the question, it's right above your comment. But this is your last opportunity to either answer it one way or another, or not.
January 13, 2010, 5:34:48 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny, even if you became so credulous that your brain rattled in your head like a dried pinto bean, you could believe everything this character has said, and it would STILL be the case that he didn't have enough information to write a critique of an interview as yet to be aired.
I take it as a given that Pomeroy...Happy....Haggis...etc. are screen names used by several like-thinking oily would-be political operatives who have long ago lost all semblance of adult sensibilities.
January 13, 2010, 5:56:19 PM EST – Like – Reply
Pat Pomeroy
First, I never said that my source, other than promo clips, was the web, did I? Secondly, I rather pointedly said that you were not the only one with connections to media sources. One would think, as a solicitor, you would make a deduction from that. Rather obviously portions, substantial portions of the interview were available, post-recording and pre-broadcast, to other media outlets. If you know the workings of the media, you would know that this is as common as pre-release of books with a delayed dissemination stamp. In part, it's a professional courtesy, and in part it is a means of boosting interest in a story. You have never been included in this? That surprises me a great deal. Thirdly, I was unaware of any demands made upon me by you to vomit out facts. I didn't realize that you had ordained yourself a master interrogator with the power and authority to order the production of informationm at your very whim. That must be very nice for you. In point of fact, you need to thank me for responding to your demand once I knew of it so very promptly. I must say, Koldys, I don't visit your site often, and I seldom post. I usually do so only when I am in the States or just after I have returned when I have fresh, reliable impressions. You know, FOX, unlike the CNN and BBC does not have a world-wide presence. It is a parochial news network, and, as such, of interest to me and my non-American friends in the UK and on the Continent. They find it a amusing and perplexing.
Speaking of CNN, I tuned in as I was dressing and heard a "Breaking News" report from the Haiti desk in Atlanta. I had to laugh. Then, to top that, the reporter (whose name I don't know) spoke with a High British accent and pronounced Port of Prince in the correct French manner. How very American is that? I found it heart-warming.
Well, I am sure you have someone else who watches ALL cable news, including FOX, with a critical eye to judge harshly, unfairly and without foundation. I won't keep you from your efforts.
January 13, 2010, 6:01:16 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
OK I gave one last try to answer a simple, direct question, and you spat out a Niagra of words like a pettifogging lawyer. And surprise, you didn't answer! In fact I am the master interrogator here, I invoke Moderator's Privilege when it's applicable (as it is in this case), and given multiple opportunities to answer a simple question you have pointedly, deliberately refused to do so.
So has it been written, so shall it be done.
January 13, 2010, 6:28:04 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny,
After years of watching these people/operatives in action, there is a sheer deliciousness in seeing you turn the tables and put THEM on the defensive... Having THEM get off track on what they wished to focus upon...
Nice work!
January 13, 2010, 7:38:18 PM EST – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Isn't PP the same person that told you to go to hell (under a different name) a while back, Johnny?
January 13, 2010, 8:23:44 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Hard to say. Can't keep all those people who say that straight!
January 13, 2010, 8:29:58 PM EST – Like – Reply
IM Right
"The interview itself was pre-recorded and, apparently shared rather widely. That's not so od, is it."
It may have been shared rather widely, but that would have happened long after CBS broadcast it. That was a big "get" for them, they wouldn't and didn't give it away and share it "rather widely" before they broadcast it.
January 13, 2010, 5:35:59 PM EST – Like – Reply
ImNotBlue
"As for dealing with the substance of the Palin performance, how can I? There was none."
Well, there was none... if you didn't bother to watch the interview.
I'll start you off... what do you think about Palin's opinion on Iran? Ready. Set. Go...
January 13, 2010, 2:00:48 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny,
Do you know of link that simply shows last night's O'Reilly montage of talking-head Palin critics?
THAT was quite a stunner!
January 13, 2010, 2:23:08 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
It's in part one of the interview but I don't know if anyone has separated it out into its own clip.
January 13, 2010, 2:26:28 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I wish O'Reilly's montage of the scathing criticism of Palin by the talking-heads could go up on Youtube.
It's quite astounding to hear these men imply that Palin wields all the threat of a classroom spitball fight, while they are irked enough by her to pull out knives the size of an Australian bushman's!
January 13, 2010, 6:28:11 PM EST – Like – Reply
happysmokeruk
Evenig all.
Just dropped in over at RawStory and watched the clip of the 3 clowns....Oops sorry friends.....talking about the Palin interview last night. Of course they were simply gushing about the whole thing. Carlson must have said one of the most idiotic things I've heard on F&F....and there has been many.
O'reilly asked...Is Nancy Pelosi a 'kook'?.....Carlson retorted....That's a tough question. I think most rightthinking interviwers would say that was a rediculouse question let alown tough.
I'd give Palin a -D....as she didn't quit half way through.
January 13, 2010, 3:04:06 PM EST – Like – Reply
happysmokeruk
"There is an obvious disconnect between President Obama and the White House"
Can someone please inform me what she meant by that statement.
January 13, 2010, 3:14:31 PM EST – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Re: "Luke to ABC?": This is not happening.
January 13, 2010, 3:32:55 PM EST – Like – Reply
happysmokeruk
"Beck's newest fan"
Odds are the tweeter is an angry tea bagger....he has upset them after all.
January 13, 2010, 4:38:29 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I doubt it. Anderson Cooper is in Haiti.
January 13, 2010, 4:40:27 PM EST – Like – Reply
IM Right
The leftwing nutcase who created the murderglennbeck Twitter account is finding zero followers at the moment as Twitter has deleted that account.
January 13, 2010, 4:56:26 PM EST – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
And down goes happy smoker from a shot to the chin from Johnny Dollar! (no pun intended) It doesn't look like happy is getting up after that one!
January 13, 2010, 5:39:58 PM EST – Like – Reply
happysmokeruk
OS....I'm up and jumping.
Just listening to Palin and Beck and can't make head nor tail of what she's talking about. I don't think she realises that SNL (Tena Fey) just repeated what she said to Katie Couric word for word.
January 13, 2010, 5:58:41 PM EST – Like – Reply
david smawley
Palin is going to be a winner on FoxNews & provides lefties with a new angle to snipe at the network. BTW, have you seen how successful this sniping has been this past year re FoxNews. I find their commentary full of jealousy as the numbers don't lie. They are seething which brings a smile to my face and same goes for some who post here & and repeat the same tired left wing talking points.
January 13, 2010, 5:53:14 PM EST – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
God, I wish Sarah would get up out of that chair and show those legs! Just catching the last few minutes of Beck........
January 13, 2010, 5:59:14 PM EST – Like – Reply
IM Right
OS - I completely agree.
Remember that photoshop where someone put Palin's face onto the body of the woman in the bathing suit, holding a rifle? That woman was hot too and I suspect this photoshop is actually not far from the truth.
PICTURES
January 13, 2010, 6:11:56 PM EST – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
That's a Crossman 2100 BB gun. I'm sure the photoshopper didn't know the difference between a BB gun and a true rifle.
January 14, 2010, 7:15:21 AM EST – Like – Reply
david smawley
Beck/Palin offer to host SNL, would drive left nuts, but be a ratings smash, hope it comes to be.
January 13, 2010, 6:08:12 PM EST – Like – Reply
IM Right
Excellent appearance by Sarah Palin. Of course the haters will disagree, but as usual, their analyses will be childish.
January 13, 2010, 6:14:23 PM EST – Like – Reply
happysmokeruk
What did she actually say? nothing again.
I think beck was upset when she told the faithful she had to google the meaning...or get her son to do it...of the statue of liberty. Beck still doesn't seem to know why the French gave them it. It was to represent the friendship between the two countries established during the American Revolution...Which the French helped fund.
January 13, 2010, 6:29:39 PM EST – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
I thought haggysmokeruk didn't get Fox News on his 'lectric sat dish?
January 13, 2010, 8:17:27 PM EST – Like – Reply
Puck30
I have to catch the Beck replay since I just got back. But looking at the ratings last night. It was all messed up because of Haiti.
I would also like to stick up for that guy that commented on the Beck/Curic interview before it aired. Maybe he was watching the same channel Olby did, because Olb's was telling you everything about the Palin/O'Reilly interview before it aired.
I think it's called Looneyvision
PICTURES
January 13, 2010, 6:19:33 PM EST – Like – Reply
IM Right
I thought it was called Canklevision?
January 13, 2010, 6:58:27 PM EST – Like – Reply
Puck30
alright, how do you get the picture in the box? help!
January 13, 2010, 6:21:29 PM EST – Like – Reply
Puck30
Git it!
January 13, 2010, 6:24:03 PM EST – Like – Reply
Puck30
I'm mean got it!
January 13, 2010, 6:24:31 PM EST – Like – Reply
