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Sunday talkers.
FNC gets another Sean.
Thursday's numbers.
Fox tops.
Behind the scenes:
Iraqi Airways.
Jeff Goldblatt to Chi-town?
Q&A: James Rosen.
Top ten anchorbabes? Cast your vote here!
Keith explains FISA flip-flop on Kos; blue blogs: disbelieving, scornful; Greenwald unconvinced. Audio: Gibby's take.
Hotline quotes.
Jenna Lee does Fox & Friends Weekend Sunday (via FTVLive).
Leno/CNN rumor resurfaces.
Media flock to Fayetteville.
CNN's dubious headline.
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ashley
"NEW YORK Fox News is poised to reclaim the title of the most-watched cable news network in the key advertising demographic in the second quarter of 2008."
OK folks, any predictions on the conspiracies which some of our fellow posters here will invent to explain this?
BTW, congrats to Rupert Murdoch, Roger Ailes, and all of the many many fine people in front of and behind the cameras at Fox News. Even if you don't reclaim the title now, thanks for being so good you cause so much heartburn to Keith Olbernotaman.
June 27, 2008, 1:47:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply
ashley
Re: Top
Ten Anchor Babes
I might agree with this list if Mika was replaced with Harris Faulkner.
http://www.reportercaps.com/Home_Fox/hfaulkner/harris_faulkner_011.jpg
June 27, 2008, 1:54:26 AM EDT – Like – Reply
ashley
I see that Michelle Malkin has posted that they have raised over $1 million with their internet webcast "telethon". Well Done Michelle.
Now the heat is on Keith Olberman to come up with a creative way to make her worst person in the world. Afterall, she is helping raise money to help our troops, the same troops that KO calls cold blooded killers.
Anyone wanting to say that KO wasn't referring to our troops, then I direct you to visit this link and answer Johnny's question.
http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2008/05/was_olbermann_l.php
June 27, 2008, 2:14:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Keith won't even report anything positive or promising about our troops or Iraq. Raise money for them? LOL! Ain't gonna happen!
June 27, 2008, 2:21:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Johnny,
I don't suppose you would care to put together a slide show of the top ten anchor babes.
Guess not,
Oh well. No harm in asking,
June 27, 2008, 5:05:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Olbermann's reasoning:
After a tedious tribute to the intelligence of John Dean that should lead all of us to accept his word without question, Olbermann concludes that John Dean found a hole in the new law that will potentially allow a President Obama to criminally prosecute because telecoms were not explicitly immunized from criminal prosecution.
Now, his reasoning continues, pushing for a law that only allows for wimpy civil liability that wasn't going to pass anyways would have made Obama soft on terror.
There is no other way to continue with his line of reasoning than to quote him:
"I think it can be argued that if he's caught the same hole in the bill that Dean has, his best course is actually to shut up and take the criticism and hope the Republicans don't see the loophole."
By voting for the bill, Obama takes the wind of McCain's only talking point, terror, and then when he wins the election, he can appoint his own AG to criminally prosecute!
Brilliant! The law also places the telecoms in contempt for failure to cooperate so I bet future criminal convictions are a sure bet for following the law. No question about it.
Finally, "[i]f it isn't the Senator's game plan, he'll catch hell from me about it later."
Oohh, that's a threat if I ever heard one.
June 27, 2008, 8:02:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
I forgot to mention the obvious ... irony?
Obama helps to enact a law forcing compliance and later prosecutes for that compliance. Brilliant!
June 27, 2008, 8:10:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Ashley:
Let's withhold any judgment on Malkin's efforts. We all know that the North/Hannity troop fundraisers have put virtually no money in the hands of our troops. Largely a boon to charitable organizers and PR for North and Hannity .... All rather despicable in my view. Malkin's efforts might have the same result. But, I won't even conclude that yet. In fact, I think it is likely that the way Malkin has set this up, our troops will be true beneficiaries of her efforts. If so, and as much as I vehemently disagree with Malkin's philosophical and political positions, and recoil at her exceedingly and characteristically nasty demeanor, I will be the first to applaud her efforts. After all, supporting men and women who have placed themselves in danger at the behest of the government, however boneheaded and fraudulent the government may have acted, is supremely American. Our troops deserve nothing less than our unqualified support. So, let's withhold our judgment until we get some complete picture of this outreach. And, when we confirm the authenticity of the outreach, let's then applaud heartily.
I hope you agree, as I do, that the fact that these efforts are necessary, and these efforts are, indeed, necessary as evidenced by the ghastly care our returning troops receive and by the sheer number of such efforts by people of all political and philosophical positions, is a disgrace. I feel completely estranged from my government in this regard. What rich and tragic irony it is that the very people who placed our troops in harms' ways are the ones who disregard them as troublesome burdens on their return in need. The shame of Bush and the ueber chickenhawk Cheney is compounded by the fact that they feel no shame about this. And, when I hear Barnes, Beck and the chickenhawk Krauthammer applaud the brilliant military leadership of Bush, the ueber chickenhawk Cheney, et al, I say shame on them, too.
Lastly, with reference to Johnny Dollar piece at OW, and with all deference to Johnny, his hyperbole overtook his analysis. Reasonable people thinking and acting reasonably recognize that the use of "Pentagon" refers not to troops in the field, but the top brass. That has been the journalistic and popular convention in this country since the DoD was first created and the Pentagon (building) was first occupied. Add to this the undeniable fact that the Bush Administration has turned the Pentagon, the upper level personnel, into nothing more than political operatives, and I think Olbermann's reference becomes rather clear and rather different than that attributed to him. When otherwise bright, reasonable people make unreasonable statements, often in the form of hyperbole, those people do not become inherently unreasonable, they have not revealed some character flaw. They have merely shown they have a high level of passion about issues important to them. I consider that nothing less than admirable.
June 27, 2008, 8:18:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
"Now one might question this ex post facto revelation, especially since we know that the Pentagon is largely staffed by...US troops! They command the soldiers in the field who, under Oralmann's construction, would then become the moral equivalent of contract killers."
Read again: The Pentagon is largely staffed by whom? And whom do they command? Is Olbermann well-known for the vernacular? Are all of his references ones clearly recognized by the populus? How many troops has he had on his show that were not heading an organization but just the rank and file?
June 27, 2008, 8:35:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Keith Olbermann serves such a wonderful public service as an easy resource to see how the radical left mind rationalizes and excuses the behavior of their shepherd.
Let me see if I understand this logic....SNOBamessiah is endorcing a cynical ploy of supporting a law he would fight on principle because of shallow political concerns while plotting to exploit a loophole to reverse direction and criminalize procedures deemed in the bill vital to national security (once the pol attains office).
How Nixonian!
June 27, 2008, 8:46:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
To be fair, that was Olbermann's talking point. Maybe Obama will fire him as a mouthpiece.
June 27, 2008, 8:48:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
"LIVE"--FROM THE FRONT LINES--1PM TO 9PM PST--HOSTED BY MELANIE MORGAN AND MICHELLE MALKIN--HISTORY IN THE MAKING!!
Move America Forward invites you to support our drive to send the largest number of care packages to U.S. troops in history!
You'll have to investigate the finances with Move AMerica Forward. MM was hosting the telethon.
June 27, 2008, 8:55:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Either excusing the reversal for supporting telecom immunity because of political concerns only or because of some diabolical plan to actually screw his fellow patriotic Americans after he changes hats, Olbermann covers the idea that this was a necessary position because of those evil righties.....which is exactly how Nixon operated.....He always framed his behavior as a response or in anticipation of the actions of his "enemies."
Olbermann is still guilty of hypocrisy.....calling such behavior manipulative, evil and a threat to all Americans only when conservative pols do such things while taking a much less hyperbolic and understanding approach when his candidate does the same exact thing. The left's spokesman is doing his best to whitewash the issues as they come up.
June 27, 2008, 9:05:48 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
To be fair, the last 7 years have not been exactly honesty and integrity, candor and forthrightness, inclusiveness and investment, peace and prosperity, prudence and wisdom.
To be fair, in light of the last 7 years, we ought not dismiss critics out of hand. Much of the criticism is valid, if not tardy, and many of the critics ought be praised (although, candidly, I have trouble doing that with Olbermann).
To be fair, in light of the last 7 years, we ought not be lavish in our praise of those who propped up those who gave us the last 7 years. Barnes, Beck, Dobbs (spottily), Hannity, Hume, Krauthammer, (Judith) Miller, O'Reilly, et all, ought to be held accoutable.
To be fair, Hannity and North participate under a shell organization as well. We should be skeptical about all such organizations and those who front for them. When they are proven honest and upright, we ought to reward them with our words and our actions.
June 27, 2008, 9:08:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
On The Mark | 06.27.08 - 8:23 am |
I too share your dismay and astonishment that fund raising activities are neccesary for the care of American soldiers.A local group recently was raising money to send "care packages" to Iraq containing tooth paste and insect repellent.My first thought was, WT....We can afford tax cuts in wartime,and billions for a dubious "missile defence",but we've got to sell BBQ to keep our soldiers in toothpaste.
As for KO.When I heard of his remarks,it never occured to me to presume that he was speaking of 'grunts' in the trenches.It seemed obvios that his point of reference was the civilian command in the Pentagon.
But words are slippery things.Though I find it odd that many of those who will grant no benefit of the doubt to KO on his wording were leading the charge to defend Mr Limbaugh over his "phony soldier" remarks or equating a brain damaged vet with a suicide bomber.
Perhaps Mr Limbaugh's words were open to some leeway in interpretation.But then certainly the same curtesy should be extended to KO.
June 27, 2008, 9:14:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
check, check, check,... Talking points and hit pieces (Bush, Malkin, North, Limbaugh, ...) covered before 10:00 a.m. Bonus time?
June 27, 2008, 9:17:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Re: Top Ten Anchorbabes
Was it my adblocker, or did it just not load, or were there actually no pictures in that link?
Here you are, hungry newsbabe cravers:
http://www.onmylist.com/category/tv/The_Hottest_NewsWomen_on_the_Planet_1
http://www.listafterlist.com/tabid/57/listid/8668/News++Weather/Top+10+Sexiest+Newswomen+On+Air.aspx
Glaringly missing is my favorite, Megyn.
June 27, 2008, 9:34:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
"As for KO.When I heard of his remarks,it never occured to me to presume that he was speaking of 'grunts' in the trenches.It seemed obvios that his point of reference was the civilian command in the Pentagon."
Yes, the average joe like NVH may have assumed that. Do Olbermann's SPecial Comments appeal to the average joe with the often vague references? That is not his style.
"Perhaps Mr Limbaugh's words were open to some leeway in interpretation.But then certainly the same curtesy should be extended to KO."
Okay. Agreed. Rush Limbaugh. when taken in context, didn't mean phony soldiers in the sense that he was accused of and Olbermann didn't mean Pentagon to refer to anyone except whomever he meant.
notveryhow
June 27, 2008, 9:35:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Flocking to Fayetville.
This "news" item,and I use that term broadly,has the cable news trifecta.Sex,blood,and a soldier.
My question is,does this kind of trivia really work in boosting ratings?Although it is a tragedy for the family and friends,and perhaps a story of local interest,why do cable news outlets with coverage national and international in scope run with this stuff.And how does it effect MY lie.
I remember the OJ thing,then Monicagate.That is when I stopped trying to squeeze useful news out of CNN.
June 27, 2008, 9:41:35 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Was it my adblocker, or did it just not load, or were there actually no pictures in that link?
I've added a link to a bunch of pictures and your chance to vote for the top newsbabe. Some server problems are preventing me from updating the site but as soon as that's resolved the update will be up.
June 27, 2008, 10:16:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Club Gitmo releasees killing, again? Yea, lets just turn them all loose!
June 27, 2008, 10:33:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"Perhaps Mr Limbaugh's words were open to some leeway in interpretation.But then certainly the same curtesy should be extended to KO."
by donquixotesrocket
Funny. I don't recall Rush getting any "courtesy" or being "open to leeway" from the usual suspects. Or suspect in this case.
June 27, 2008, 10:39:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
We all know that the North/Hannity troop fundraisers have put virtually no money in the hands of our troops. Largely a boon to charitable organizers and PR for North and Hannity ..
by dqr
Where did you hear this earth shattering bs that "we all know?"
June 27, 2008, 10:42:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
No list of babes is complete w/out Courtney Friel. Even if she's not an anchor.
June 27, 2008, 10:46:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Olbermann's Kos diary was exquisite. He certainly tried to cover every base, first by starting with the "loophole" angle that the genius (and admittedly an immunity expert...) John Dean used to douse what K.O. described as "any anger simmering beneath my surface."
Oh, brother...
Olbermann jumped from that to ALSO taking up the argument that political expediency (and telephone eavesdropping...) isn't such a bad thing when in the hands of OUR guy... How very reasonable and reassuring...
I was especially taken with Olbermann's little bon mot that Dean is worth a baker's couple of dozen Glenn Greenwalds and an extra Keith Olbemann on top of that... (A spoonful of wry self-deprivation helps the snark go down doesn't it?...)
Well, it goes without saying that even an immunity grabbing stoolie is worth more than you, Mr. Olbermann, but just stop right there when it comes to Greenwald, who hasn't stooped to the sort of ridiculous dissembling that you've just engaged in. And "engaged in, after having issued a "Special Comment" on the subject that sounded like something Alexander Solzhenitsyn would say to Stalin if he could visit him briefly in hell.
So go ahead, Keith, suck up to the crackhead Kossacks and try to hide your hypocrisy by shielding yourself with a baby boomer icon who wraps himself in a simplistic media driven narrative of his own heroism. Just leave Greenwald the hell alone. He may not be any more correct on the issues than you are, but he's several thousand baker's dozens-- the man.
June 27, 2008, 11:26:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Chris Jones
I really can't stand Keith Olbermann. He is truly a loathsome individual that deserves significant scorn heaped upon him.
I feel so much better having said that.
June 27, 2008, 11:42:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Chris Jones
Julie Banderas is the hottest female anchor...ever.
June 27, 2008, 11:43:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
If we are saying that Dean was granted immunity to avoid prosecution and conviction, we would be mistaken. Dean was, in fact, convicted, sentenced, reported to the BOP site assigned, was whisked away by the US Marshalls to a safe incarceration site, testified under a sentence reduction agreement and helped secure a number of convictions. I would think that among many of the posters on this site, such cooperation would be lauded. Law and order in its purest sense. Perhaps, since his testimony resulted in some disgrace to conservatives and to the Republican party, the feeling is not shared. Certainly, many posters were delighted when Bush let Scooter evade the hoozgow. Perhaps, some victimization syndrome?
Personally, I find Dean offensive. I always find snitches and ratfinks offensive. Even if I could tolerate Olbermann himself, I'd avoid "Countdown" because of Dean. But, Dean did pay, in some measure, for his sins. And, I certainly know many of the posters at this site have no objection to snitches and ratfinks on a general level.
Now for happier news, the Rosen book looks fascinating, and I have always wanted to know more about Mitchell. I have often wondered if he weren't the only honorable one out of that massive group of Nixon scoundrels. Even a horse's ass can be honorable.
As for Rosen himelf, I understand that his reporting and writing abilities eclipse his on-air abilities. Frankly, I found even those rather good, and far better than say a Cameron. So, the book will be a win-win. Mitchell and Rosen. Interesting. Enjoyable.
June 27, 2008, 11:47:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Julie Banderas is the hottest female anchor...ever.
And she is only in third place. So cast your votes to rectify this injustice!!
June 27, 2008, 11:48:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Hotter than Ines? I think not!
June 27, 2008, 12:02:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Well, I don't plan on voting, but I'll throw my comment support to Julie over Kimberly Guilfoyle.
June 27, 2008, 12:05:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
On The Mark | 06.27.08 - 8:23 am
"We all know that the North/Hannity troop fundraisers have put virtually no money in the hands of our troops. Largely a boon to charitable organizers and PR for North and Hannity"
No OTM, "WE" don't. Charity Navigator lists the Freedom Alliance as a four-star organization, which is their highest rating. In 2006, they put more than $5 million dollars into the hands of the troops.
You probably got your "facts" from the newshounds who, as usual, are facts-challenged.
Perhaps you prefer a more liberal charity, such as Stings RainForest charity which has a ZERO-STAR rating.
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=6590
June 27, 2008, 12:25:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Keith won't even report anything positive or promising about our troops or Iraq. Raise money for them? LOL! Ain't gonna happen!
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.27.08 - 2:26 am | #
OS, don'cha think that KO looks good in that dark vest and ski-mask? (and who says I never say anything positive about KO)
http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/Homepage/ShootOfficers3.gif
June 27, 2008, 12:40:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well, since Kiran Chetry wasn't on that list, I had to go with Erin Burnett out of ethnic solidarity.
June 27, 2008, 12:56:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Thanks Johnny for putting up the voting link and thanks FF for your links.
Since I don't watch TV much anymore, I recognize very few of these women. For the most part, all I know about them are the way they look in the photos that are posted.
I would say that the hottest photo belongs to Melissa Theuriau from FF's first link. She was hot, but not as hot in her photo from FF's second link. If I could have voted for her, I probably would. But, I guess it is just as well, since all I know about great majority of the anchor babes in any list is the way they appear in their photos.
June 27, 2008, 1:16:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
We all know that the North/Hannity troop fundraisers have put virtually no money in the hands of our troops. Largely a boon to charitable organizers and PR for North and Hannity ..
by dqr
No proof? Shocker!
June 27, 2008, 1:20:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Ashley, I don't suppose you have bothered to actually read the Charity Navigator review? Or listen to the ABC report? Or bother to find out that the Freedom Alliance doesn't submit reports to the BBB Wise Gving Report?
Or listen to Senator Grassley? Or take note that the American Institute of Philanthropy gave Freedom Alliance a failing grade? Or read the Secretary of State of Washington's report? Or the CVC report? You're not bothered that expenses were US $7.1 Million. Newhounds, indeed! Every substantive point you find uncomfortable comes from Newhounds --- whether it does or not!
June 27, 2008, 1:22:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Sorry, Jeff/Royal King/Republican Killa/Mr. Sucks, et al. I'm afraid my proof crossed your ridiculous accusation in cyberspace. Not that you'll be bothered by the facts or have enough sense to analyze them, anyway. Shocker.
June 27, 2008, 1:25:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Greenwald holds his own well against Olbermann:
"No political leader deserves that sort of blind faith -- not Bush and not Obama. That's how a small child thinks about his Daddy, not how a citizen should think about a political leader.
"Down that mental road lies uncritical devotion to a Leader for even the most unjustifiable political acts. Depicting a bill with telecom amnesty when Bush supports it as 'textbook Fascism,' only to then depict Obama's support for such a bill as 'refusing to cower to the Left,' is simply inexcusable."
Some on this site should take such an evaluation to heart.
June 27, 2008, 1:28:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Bob Barr on FNC, Sunday!!! Probably softballs, but still great fun!!!
June 27, 2008, 1:31:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Debunking donquixtesrocket.
http://tiny.cc/tjBAp
June 27, 2008, 1:38:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Every substantive point you find uncomfortable comes from Newhounds --- whether it does or not!
donquixoterocket | 06.27.08 - 1:27 pm | #
Would you mind posting a "substantive point" frm nh's?
June 27, 2008, 1:40:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
From OTM "Ashley, I don't suppose you have bothered to actually read the Charity Navigator review? "
Yes I did Markey, the site gives Freedom Alliance it's HIGHEST Rating of four stars and clearly states that over $5 Million went to the troops in '06.
You said that the organization "have put virtually no money in the hands of our troops"
If you consider that $5 million in one year alone is "virtually no money", well, I recommend you take a few critical thinking courses at your local university.
By the way, are you so out-of-touch that you would think that anything the newshounds reports makes me uncomforable? Hee!
June 27, 2008, 1:43:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
"The Mission of Freedom Alliance is to advance the American heritage of freedom by honoring and encouraging military service, defending the sovereignty of the United States and promoting a strong national defense."
The charity wasn't established (in 1990) to provide money to wounded vets, although it certainly would be one of the best ways to utilize the money. This whole topic came about as a smear to Malkin who has to prove to OTM that she will not misuse funds, even though she was only hosting a fundraiser that does have the express goal of donating for our troops.
June 27, 2008, 1:46:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
US $7 Million expended to distribute US $5 Million. Even the government does better than that! You don't think that is a good return, Ashley.
Don't get me wrong. It's a noble, noble mission statement. And, Lord knows we all have to do our part to assist the troops and veterans the Bush Adminsitration has so callously neglected. My only point is that there are many charities, many individuals out there that do a far better job. Unless of course, ABC, the BBC, Senator Grassley, the AIP, the S/S WA, the CVC and the "charity's" own balance sheet are simply lying scumbags. Excuse me if I am not that paranoid. Excuse me if I am not so willing to go prostrate before Hannity, Malkin and North. Don't let me stop you, however.
By the way, Republican Killa, citing a source to prove the validity of that same source. Absolutely Bushian. LMAO!!!
June 27, 2008, 2:07:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
OTM, what you leave out is that there is still millions left to be distributed. Neither of us know the big picture, but the fact is, you implied that the organization gave no money to the troops.
You either misread $5 million to be "virtually" ZERO, or you lied. Either way, you were not anywhere near being correct.
By the way, a big THANK YOU to Fox News for allowing Hannity and North to promote this wonderful organization.
another BTW - I had the priviledge of meeting Oliver North a few weeks back. I thanked him for his many years of service to our country.
June 27, 2008, 2:18:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Calling OS Republican Killa to deflect from Johnny's harsh words to you yesterday is pretty lame. No one believes it.
"Americans gave millions of dollars in the past year to veterans charities designed to help troops wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan, but several of the groups spent relatively little money on the wounded,..."
This is from the Washington Post article (from a newshound link) discussing the the American Institute of Philanthropy you quoted earlier but left out the second time. Freedom Alliance was not designed to help wounded troops. I couldn't find Grassley's comments (I am not doubting they exist) or the report of Sec. of the Secretary of the State of Washington and quit looking after the CVC reference.
The balance sheet is laid out for all to see so why the big deal about not having the finances evaluated by BBB? I would promote other charities than Freedom Alliance but your Special Comment is lacking in its accusations.
June 27, 2008, 2:26:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Promote other charities for the wounded
(wounded warrior, fisher house) but I don't think Hannity and North are lining their pockets. There is money getting to the troops, as Ashley said.
June 27, 2008, 2:28:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
We all know that the North/Hannity troop fundraisers have put virtually no money in the hands of our troops.
by donquixotesrocket
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If you think I'm repub killa, you are even more demented than was originally proven. I sugest you stop making a fool of yourself, don.
June 27, 2008, 2:32:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
We all know that the North/Hannity troop fundraisers have put virtually no money in the hands of our troops.
by dqr/otm/nvh
Don't get me wrong. It's a noble, noble mission statement. And, Lord knows we all have to do our part to assist the troops and veterans the Bush Adminsitration has so callously neglected. My only point is that there are many charities, many individuals out there that do a far better job.
by dqr/otm/nvh
Unbelievable back pedal! Rich!
June 27, 2008, 2:34:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I am going to gloss over Jeff's/Royal King's/Republican Killa's/Mr. Suck's/et al's typically worthless comments and simply note to Ashley and Sharon:
Ashley, I certainly do think the money that reaches the troop's families, in an absolute amount, as you go with, or in a relative sum, as do I, is needed and worthy. I appreciate that.
Sharon, I do not think that North and Hannity are lining their pockets, either. North, because of his (overturned on a technicality on appeal) conviction, gives me some pause, but even then the crime was more in the nature of jingoistic zealotry gone awry than personal misappropriation of funds.
Worst case for Hannity and North, they are being "unjustly enriched" by publicity being paid for by contributors. They're not the first and won't be the last, and they're in an industry that requires the rather ugly habit of tooting your own horn, loud and long.
My complaint, and forgive me if I wrote awkwardly, goes to what appears to be mismanagement of a charitable organization. I am confident neither of these men is a hands-on manager. I doubt either is capable of managing such an organization personally. It is a daunting task, requiring specialized knowledge and skill. The mission can be good, the motives pure and everyone can feel good about contributing. But, wouldn't it be better if we could also be assured than an extremely high level of funds collected were being received by those in need? That is the basic charitable standard, isn't it?
I would add, and I understand that North, in particular, is very good about this, for which he has my respect, actual hands-on contact with these men and women is an illuminating, inspiring, humbling and rewarding experience. I know time is a scarce commodity for all of us, and funds are absolutely required, but there are organizations that will put you in touch with military families in need - driving to hospitals, babysitting while spouses are at the treatment centers, arranging airfare, etc. All of that is so very important. One of my employees, a woman God has blessed with a sunny disposition and a wonderful spirit, assists the physical therapists (woefully far to few at the hospitals, the Administration having planned even more poorly for injuries than for the Occupation) a couple of hours each week, simply playing catch with rubber balls. Nothing elabaorate is required. No special skills. When the Invasion began and all through the Occupation, we were insulated from the need to sacrafice. It's as if the Adminstration feared if we were asked to do so, we would be opposed to the incursion. In fact, we were all told to shop. Of course, all we did was delay the sacrafice with a battered economy. But, we can take on that sacrafice, which is really a joy, by giving freely of our resources. Shouldn't we? Shoulddn't we make sure the troops and their families are not short-changed in the process?
June 27, 2008, 3:22:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Having been up to my chin in Watergate,even meeting with my Congressman about the issue,I'd love to read Rosen's book.Though the way he presents his research and his book in his NR interview makes me think it would be best to keep the salt shaker handy.
I remember the days of "Mad Dog Mitchell" (yes,that's what some people called him),the "Big Enchillada" (that's what Nixon called him).But one can't help but wonder about a writer who uses phrases portraying Mitchell as one "who stood for the Right Reason values of law and order against those of amnesty, acid, and abortion".
Could his years of voluminous research have led him to pre-ordained decisions which he desired to reach?
June 27, 2008, 3:24:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Goldblatt is one of the good ones. So is Kelly. I really hope he does well. He is so grounded.
June 27, 2008, 3:24:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Well, we all know (in trouble, already, since the collective will be taken by some in an absolute sense) there are two (2) ways to research:
#1 Follow the trail and draw a conclusion when you reach the end.
#2 Draw a conclusion and selectively pick up support.
I have no idea how Rosen will do this, but I'll assume and hope #1 until I read the book. In trouble again since the prevailing wisdom seems to be reading will get you in trouble since it might challenge your preconceived notions. For some reading is a novel idea. And, we all have to admit that is a great pun.
June 27, 2008, 3:30:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
OTM, it may appear to be mismanaged by your standards, but not by the standards of Charity Navigator, which gave the organization its highest rating. Scan the site and you will see a number of well-known organizations which rate fewer or even no stars. Greenpeace has three stars I believe, and as mentioned earlier, Stings Rainforest scam rates a zero.
June 27, 2008, 3:36:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Thanks, Ashley. I think you summed up our positions well, and the comparisons really don't matter do they? I will continue to give to those charities which put the highest possible amount of funds collected into the hands of the intended beneficiaries, and you will continue to give based upon a standard equally valid to you. We are both to be commended for our desire to help.
By the way, you are a skilled analyst and argue, in the classic, positive sense, ably and well.
June 27, 2008, 3:41:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
For some reading is a novel idea
To quote Steven Maturin from the "Master and Commander" series,
"A man who would pun would pick your pocket."
June 27, 2008, 3:54:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
We are a shifty lot.
I have a shelf in my office with an antique gargoyle and a bottle of Listerine. Sign next to it says "Gargoyle with Listerine". I still laugh every morning.
June 27, 2008, 3:57:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Sharm peeled your argument down to its merely subjective core too, Rocinante.
June 27, 2008, 4:31:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Good afternoon, Cecelia.
Awfully warm here, today, with the oddest wind. I think we may have a storm nudging up against us. What a most welcome respite that would be.
Yes, dear, Sharon can make a fine argument, but we have all known that for such a long time. Ashley was new, at least to me, and I felt she ought to be specially praised.
Sorry that my argument didn't measure up to your exacting standards, but unless I put on a pair of jack boots and grabbed a cudgel, it wouldn't now, would it? Not that I don't appreciate your extreme, tip of the bird right-wingedness. It makes the rest of us appear moderate and mainsstream, for which I am most thankful.
June 27, 2008, 4:39:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Rocinante, indeed. My second favorite sub-genre of jazz. How ever did you know? The little bird with the wingtip exaggerated on the right come visit with you? Next time you're by, I know a lovely rocinante bar with a tart, citrusy white sangria and the most interesting tapas. The mushrooms in Madeira will make you weep! Bring yourself, but not your wallet. My wife and I will treat. No argument, please.
June 27, 2008, 4:44:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
"Ashley was new, at least to me, and I felt she ought to be specially praised."
It probably doesn't matter, but I am a he.
June 27, 2008, 5:18:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
What an interesting name for a man, and as a "Gone With the Wind" fan, I should have used more care. I heard there are many men in South Carolina named Ashley as well. Presumably after the river. Please excuse me.
June 27, 2008, 5:31:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
My father, grandfather, and great grandfather shared the name. It predates the birth of Margaret Mitchell, author of GWTW.
It was a modestly popular name for a boy until the early 80's because by that time, the Soap "Young and Restless" had a popular female character named Ashley and that started the trend. It became a far more popular name for girls than it ever was for a boy.
You'll find many female Ashley's today, but virtually none older than 35.
http://www.babynameshub.com/baby-names-boys/Ashley.html
June 27, 2008, 5:45:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
OMG! That CNN Mandela Photo Caption. The silence from the left is deafening. Very much unlike the uproar I would expect if FNC had made that mistake.
Complaints from the left against CNN? Virtually none.
June 27, 2008, 5:59:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Nh has for a long time been saying that no money from Hannity's charity goes to the people it is supposed to go to. Looks like another NH lie has just bit the dust. Really, I don't know why you NH partisans who are here can in good conscience believe a word NH says. Everything they say is lies, lies and more lies.
Ellen Brodsky professes to have some affection for David Brock. Brock is a confessed smear merchant and liar. Looks like Ellen has learned her lessons from him well.
June 27, 2008, 6:07:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well, I appreciate your usual standard of weasel-speak in calling me an extremist, Rocinante, but who'd believe for a nanosecond that you wished to ever come off as anything approaching moderate or middling...as compared to...anyone...
June 27, 2008, 6:39:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Danny,
Have you noticed that like keith Olbermann, the News Hounds site seems to have a large contingency of like-minded morons who seem to speak simultaneously on the same subjects and in the same manner?
It's always been a puzzle to me too that they also seem to flock to opposition sites in order to diss FNC or to take on Olby critics while simultaneously denying all affinity or the site or the man.
June 27, 2008, 6:46:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Just read the link to the CNN photo caption Ashley, I think the irony of the chattering class has now reached the pinnacle of poetic paradox that could certainly be termed Swiftian... or at least something from Tom Wolfe... :D
June 27, 2008, 6:55:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Cecelia,
I have long been suspicious that there is some collusion and maybe some sockpuppetry going on among the lib regulars. But I can't prove it so i make no accusations.
We saw how libs (probably NH partisans) made an coordinated attempt to sabotage a poll. Why would they not make a concerted attempt to sabotage the site as well? According to Johnny, at least one lib regular has resorted to sock puppetry in the past. I don't know what would prevent him from doing it again.
But I guess it is Ok. Better that some libs come over here and at least get exposed to the truth; rather than this site become an echo chamber as NH now is.
Of course NH can never afford to open itself up to diverse opinions. NH propaganda can never stand if subjected to the rigors of free, civil and fair debate.
June 27, 2008, 6:58:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Danny,
If being utterly exposed as a bald-faced liar and fraud by Johnny elicited no sense of shame, never doubt for an instant that this "one lib poster" is capable of almost anything.
June 27, 2008, 7:03:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Cecelia,
Sadly, I must agree. I am not holding my breath either for his retraction and apology at the Olby site.
Notice Ashley is new, and he figures that Ashley does not know what is going on. So, now it is Ashley who gets the compliments. Wonder how long that will continue.
June 27, 2008, 7:18:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Please do hold your breath for a retraction, Cecelia, because I can assure you it will never happen. I did give a sincere, classical apologia, fully explaining my position. You can say it was insufficient, if you wish, but you cannot say it was not done. Well, you cannnot honestly say so, but ....
Danny, I am sorry you have caught Cecelia's crippling delusional paranoia. I had no idea it was contagious, but then I haven't really desired to get all that close to her. Perhaps, someone knows of a cure. I hope you find one. You're too bright and too articulate to succumb to such an odious condition.
June 27, 2008, 8:34:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well, goodness, Mark. I don't know what could have given you the foggiest notion that I would entertain for a second any idea of your responding to Danny's request.
Danny may not know you well enough yet, but I do.
June 27, 2008, 8:59:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
but you cannot say it was not done. Well, you cannnot honestly say so, but ....
by donquixotesrocket
You updted your post at the ko fan blog? Could you post the link?
June 27, 2008, 10:06:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
So, the obama/hillary photo-op today must have been a whole lotta nothin.' Nuttin' but crickeys on both sides. I guess they should have waited til the 4th of July and it wouldhave been even more of a dud.....A fire cracker w/no powder.
June 27, 2008, 10:11:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
NY Post's Page 6 is in the news if anyone's interested.
http://gawker.com/tag/opie/?i=397238&t=opies-fiancee-sues-post-richard-johnson-for-millions
June 27, 2008, 10:17:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Did you read the comments at that link nvh? Not very sympathetic with the plaintiffs. lol
June 27, 2008, 10:24:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Read the comments?I could hardly get through the article and I was wearing gloves.Yuck.This Page 6 must be sumptin'.
June 27, 2008, 10:33:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Absolutely right, as usual, Jeff/Royal King/Republican Killa/Mr. Sucks/et al. The Unity event was the main topic or one of the main topics of conversation of Matthews, Gregory, Blitzer .... You don't ever watch the news, do you? Just commentary you know you will agree with before you listen.
June 27, 2008, 10:35:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Bringing back the most important cable news story of the day, hottest news babes, I had to vote Erin Andrews. That would have been different if Mélissa Theuriau, Megyn Kelly, or Courtney Friel had been included.
How unflattering is that picture of Jennifer Eccleston on the voting page???
June 27, 2008, 10:35:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Page Six is pretty slimey, but I keep getting back to the fact that it is just a gossip column. No one ought to take it all the seriously, not even the courts.
June 27, 2008, 10:36:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I could hardly get through the article and I was wearing gloves.Yuck.
notveryhow | 06.27.08 - 10:38 pm | #
Yet you post a link? Why???
I agree OTM, it's agossip column. I like it like I enjoy reading www.dailymail.co.uk
and www.thesuperficial.com.
June 27, 2008, 10:38:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I was Ines, but the two (2) Erins are pretty spectacular in very different ways.
June 27, 2008, 10:39:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
superficial.com
I love that. Especially the links that have Breast Enlargement and BREAST ENLARGEMENTS. Classic!
June 27, 2008, 10:41:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Fox Fan | 06.27.08 - 10:43 pm |
J$ posted a link about Page 6's fued with KO, so I assumed it would ahve some relevence. As they say in court "Goes to credibility,your honor".
June 27, 2008, 10:41:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
On The Mark | 06.27.08 - 10:46 pm | #
Somehow it gets past the Websense server at my work!
notveryhow | 06.27.08 - 10:46 pm | #
Not saying it was OT, just why post a link to something you find so abhorrent. I read it and didn't come to the same conclusion you did. That's life I guess.
June 27, 2008, 10:44:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
The best gossip for years was Maxine Messenger is the Houston Chronicle, of all places. Divorce attorneys use to plant stories of filings there, Many a woman first learned her husband had filed by reading Maxine at breakfast. One even stabbed her husband with a egg yolk-encrusted fork. So, there were two stories.
June 27, 2008, 10:44:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I'm out for the night. I took out my contacts a couple of hours ago, and I can't see a thing I am posting. Bad enough in itself, but I can't read Jeff's/Royal King's/Republican Killa's/Mr. Sucks'/ et al's posts, and that is just tragic.
June 27, 2008, 10:47:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
On The Mark | 06.27.08 - 10:49 pm |
My take on gossip columns goes back to the Eleanor Roosevelt quote I posted the other day.Of course,some have suggested that I've got a touch of Aspergers.
June 27, 2008, 10:47:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Uhh, OTM, I just looked at superficial.com and it's not the site I suggested. You looked at some spam site.
June 27, 2008, 10:55:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
The Unity event was the main topic or one of the main topics of conversation of Matthews, Gregory, Blitzer .... You don't ever watch the news, do you? Just commentary you know you will agree with before you listen.
On The Mark | 06.27.08 - 10:40 pm | #
Oh, the irony is off the chart!
June 27, 2008, 11:27:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Wow! I didn't think I would ever hear Olbermahn call obama a hypocrite, a fascist AND a traitor. The first 2 are a given, but, I guess you could say the 3rd is debatable.
June 28, 2008, 1:01:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I like ex Fox reporter Laurie Dhue, but I read something where she said she carries inexpensive handbags.
I don't trust a woman who can afford a great handbag and goes for cheap ones instead.
There's something wrong there.
June 28, 2008, 2:05:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I'd say that's a great quality to posses Cecelia, fiscal conservatism.
OS, I had this animated gif as my phone wallpaper for a while.
http://www.hankus1.com/LaurieDhue.gif
June 28, 2008, 11:25:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I would also admire a woman who wouldn't waste money on a purse even though she had it to waste. Why spend $1000 dollars on soething to put $20 worth of junk in it?
June 28, 2008, 12:08:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
A coworker of mine bought his daughter a $400 purse for her 13th birthday. He still frequently gets razzed about it a year later.
Seriously, it's a bag. They give them to you for free at Kroger's.
June 28, 2008, 6:02:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Oh, sure guys, and there's no difference between a Lotus and a Civic or between any ole horse and a Ky Derby winner.
June 28, 2008, 8:09:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Can you drive or ride a purse? Can a purse win a race? Can a purse do anything besides hold stuff? Some big, some small I can think of a few Ky Derby winners that were at one time "any ole horse." I've seen $2000 horses win over $300,000 and vice versa. Huh?
June 28, 2008, 9:10:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
And how much do well crafted handbags make for their designers, OS?
June 28, 2008, 10:36:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
That's a completely different argument, not to mention, waaaay off topic.
June 28, 2008, 10:52:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I see. The difference between a well-crafted and poorly-crafted bag is equivalent to the difference between a 2.0L four-banger beater and a highly specialized technological engineering marvel built for high speed land transportation.
June 28, 2008, 11:58:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well...yeah!
June 29, 2008, 1:06:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
highly specialized technological engineering marvel built for high speed land transportation.
Like a 75 GMC 4x4 with a 454 and a 6 inch lift?
June 29, 2008, 1:07:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I'd that that over a Lotus or a purse, OS!
June 29, 2008, 1:08:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
FF, the 2 cars you described will still get you from point a to point b. Which was my point.
June 29, 2008, 1:10:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Er, I'd 'take' that...
June 29, 2008, 1:10:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Too true, OS. Kroger bag fits the same stuff Macy's bag does.
June 29, 2008, 1:18:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply
