Wednesday Links & Open Thread
Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:
Obama campaign booking guests for CNN?!?
Tuesday's numbers.
FNC: tapeless news.
Keith's ketchup calamity. Video: Fox & Friends piles on. A liability to the left?
Larry King Live: Luke Russert.
Hotline quotes.
Bill O'Reilly's inquisition?
Motley cruedity: behind the scenes.
Rosen's rave.
MSNBC's plan: more docs!
What's a strategist anyhow?
Matthews muffs on-air audition? HuffPo grants a dispensation.
Only third worst?
Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply. fox news cablenews
danny
Regarding the Mathews article, please note the very first sentence:
As is my habit, I'm just watching Chris Matthews' Hardball. His first panel consisted of the regulars -- Andrea Mitchell, chief foreign affairs correspondent for NBC News, and Chuck Todd, political director for NBC News .
So where is the conservative on that panel? He seems to have vanished. Maybe Eric can find him.
June 25, 2008, 2:14:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
Last night's H&C, Just In and several other shows helped illustrate how blatantly Fox News is in the tank for conservatives, the religious right and the Republican Party.
Why did Fox consider it "News" and a major controversy that a well-known GOP partisan like James Dobson would go on his radio show and criticize Obama? How is this news? If liberal Christian preachers went on a rant about McCain, would Fox mention it in any regard, whatsoever?
Nope.
It's news because Fox is a mouthpiece for conservatives. If a conservative has something negative to say about Obama, it's not just news, it's MAJOR NEWS. Free interviews, stacked guest lists for days or week with people who agree with them, and leading headlines and subtitles.
Most people don't even know who James Dobson is, and most who do probably have an unfavorably opinion of him. But, of course, on Fox News, James Dobson is treated like a saint and if he has something negative to say about Obama, he has a free run of the channel.
This is a classic example of why the RNC, McCain and conservative 527 groups are complete idiots for paying Fox News to air their ads. Fox is an ad for the Republican Party. If Fox News, through stacking its guest list on a daily basis and giving Republicans two to three times as much air time as Democrats, through partisan Republican commentators and dishonest reports by Cameron, Angle and Garrett - if Fox News can't convince its viewer to vote Republican with all the effort it's put into helping Republicans, just what the hell is a 30 sec ad going to do?
Waste money, that's what.
June 25, 2008, 2:36:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Sometimes it is mind boggling to see how desperate Fox haters are to make their point. How they will say anything . . . no matter how silly or absurd . . . to attempt to put Fox in a bad light.
Eric is a good case in point. First, we had Eric's reporting that Carville and Begala have asserted that they are not happy because they are not invited to go on Fox News enough. Eric forgot that Carville and Begala are contractually bound to another network, and could not have made that assertion without looking like complete idiots.
He goes on and on about guest lists despite the fact that Dollar has refuted his claim that guest lists are unbalanced many times.
Now, we have Eric's asserting that Fox is obviously in the Republican's tank because it actually reported Dobson's criticisms of Obama. No one but conservatives, Eric argues, know anything about Dobson (or even care about him), sooo this must prove that Fox is a Republican mouthpiece.
I hate to burst Eric's bubble, but Dobson is all over the news . . . not just at Fox. Check out this link:
http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=dobson
Look at that . . . 870 articles on the Dobson story. All sorts of new organizations are carrying it, including CNN, ABC, Reuters, and the New York Times. The fact that Fox . . . gasp . . . actually carries the story does not prove a damn thing except that Fox News is doing its job.
Eric's post goes beyond ignorant, and I feel embarrassed for him.
BTW: Eric never did find the conservative on the Mtp panel. I am chagrined. Don't tell me that the panel for a non Fox show would actually only include liberals. I thought Eric told us that could not happen.
June 25, 2008, 5:59:53 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
This is how the "party by the numbers" game plays out literally every single time.
1. Far-out brainwashed nutjob trolls in with "I'm watching X right now and they still don't have any liberals on!"
2. Some liberals come on the show, but said nutjob sticks to it because there were X number of "conservatives" on that particular show earlier.
3. The previous and next day(s) liberals outnumber conservatives on the same show.
IV. The individual show is dismissed and the whole network is condemned without proof.
E. Johnny pulls out the big guns and lists guest lists by the droves, completely invalidating any claim by said nutjob.
6. Crickets
June 25, 2008, 7:20:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Danny,
How does Eric have time to compare the balance of Fox News with the balance of other shows when he does nothing but watch Fox News?
""We had a recording come out of the Obama headquarters -- not Obama, I'm sorry...Bin Laden, Bin Laden -- it came out of Bin Laden's headquarters over there in Pakistan..."
Quick, who said it? (Hint: It is not the person with the 90 consecutive month top spot)
June 25, 2008, 7:23:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
"Most people don't even know who James Dobson is, and most who do probably have an unfavorably opinion of him. But, of course, on Fox News, James Dobson is treated like a saint and if he has something negative to say about Obama, he has a free run of the channel."
This Just in, Eric.
Obama knows who Dobson is. This is what he said in June 2006 to the liberal Christian group Call to Renewal.
"Even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools?" Obama said. "Would we go with James Dobson's or Al Sharpton's?" referring to the civil rights leader.
In your world, if Dobson criticizes Obama, it is only to allow Fox News to solely cover it to demonstrate it's partisanship.
June 25, 2008, 7:34:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Actually, the Dobson thing was covered all day on MSNBC yesterday and his remarks were part of the news scroll that cycled all day.
June 25, 2008, 7:42:33 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny, I suppose it's to Greta's credit that she didn't give the obvious answer to Tommy Lee's question and say that she wasn't wearing any panties.
Good thing we can count on Megyn Kelly to not always do the right thing... :D
June 25, 2008, 7:49:51 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
And if Eric was informed on why Dobson was in the news, he would understand why this is an important story.
Dobson claims he was just informed about that Obama speech in 2006 that mentions him and Reverand Al in the same sentence.
Dobson has made statements that he may not vote for McCain.
So...now that Dobson is upset with Obama's very liberal views of how Christians should behave in our democracy, it is news because he does have great influence in the evangelical community....Will he now endorce McCain? Will he remain his foe? What specificially about Obama's ideology makes DObson so upset, as a major leader in the evangelical community? Will the evangelical support Obama now has (and McCain lacks) be affected as time goes on and does Dobson have an influence with this? All intriguing political questions!
Also, if Eric had any information, the news also covered how both candidates have made overtures to meet with Dobson.
So, FOX NEWS H/C covered the story....but the other cablers were covering it as was the politcal blogs like kos, HuffPo and DRUDGE REPORT (in the headline in the AM BTW).
Live and learn, Eric.
June 25, 2008, 8:29:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny, poor Olbermann! What sort of second class Kennedy Center eatery is it to not stock ketchup packets?
Amtrak first class would have ketchup AND Grey Poupon...
June 25, 2008, 8:49:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Eric:
The Dobson story operates on a couple of different levels.
Your point about Dobson not being that well known may be somewhat weak. Indeed, if you polled Americans and asked if they knew who Dobson is, the vast majority would not know. Then, again, the vast majority of Americans do not know even three (3) justices on the Supreme Court. 25% don't know who the Vice-President is.
However, I do think we have to recognize Dobson's disproportionate but strong influence on a relatively small group of Americans and in limited geographic sections of our nation, both historically blindly Republican in political orientation and voting habits. That is why Dobson's comments are, in fact, newsworthy, and why the Obama anti-smear machine kicked into high gear, yesterday, and rather effectively. Already this morning, we are seeing some in the media casting Dobson's comments as petty and partisan.
We also have to recognize the fact that FNC was not the RNC coolie here. The ever shrill voices on "Morning Joe" were probably much louder. The only real loudmouth I saw at FNC was Hannity, and he hardly merits mention. The point I try to make here is that the coverage is more the relentless effort to be sensational than the result of partisan bias. Even then, it all sounded rather hollow, didn't it?
Moreover, we do have the political dimension, per se, and I expect we will see many more of these out-of-tune, poorly cooreographed arias. We are early in the season, but there is some growing sense that the McCain campaign, flat as the West Texas plain for some time now, is teetering on the edge of a deep and wide canyon. The real test for the media will be how judiciously it edits these little RNC-staged melodramas, and the test for us will be two-fold:
How willing we will be to stomach an RNC smear-a-thon.
How tolerant, or hopefully intolerant we will be of media outlets constantly going for cheap sensationalism in lieu of substance? I would say that if the screaming headlines become even more limited to the morning "got your attention, now" variety or the Doocy/Hannity/Beck shrill vituperative, we will have done our jobs as news consumers very well.
Lastly, let's not overlook the fact that evangelical America is changing before our very eyes. Those same people who once, not so long ago, saw American belligerency in the world as a great crusade (the "Kill a Commie for Christ" sort) and who believed environmentalism and feminism to be the greatest of sins, are moving toward embracing peace as an element in the Great Commission, in seeing our protection of the environment as an act of stewardship, and embracing the fullness of mankind in creating the appropriate image of God we can all embrace. As first a Christian, then an American and lastly a Democrat, this is a welcome, long-overdue and gratifying movement. And, one which caught me completley by surprise. So, Dobson's influence and all the other Dobsons' in the world seems to be waning as Christians of all sorts begin to exercise the sacrament of choice fully. I will add, I think most of the media is well behind the recognition of this. Maybe, the media needs our help.
June 25, 2008, 8:55:02 AM EDT – Like – Reply
DeeKay
"Fox is a mouthpiece for conservatives."
It IS?! (sarcasm) Well...GOOD. I'm sick of listening to the pablum that the "major" network news organizations feed the public. I prefer FNC *any* day, and that's why I watch.
Just my 2 cents, for what it's worth.
June 25, 2008, 9:01:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
It would be lovely if we could determine the truth of the infamous ketchup/train story. I understand Olbermann to have said he didn't take the train and never intended to take the train, and that he didn't consume anything at the Kennedy Center, except for Starbuck's, in which he seldom puts ketchup. I suppose he wins on wit, but given Olbermann's sullied reputation for veracity and the general reputation of the Post, Page Six and Froelich, which, amazingly, may even be worse, who knows? Given the use of "source" or "sources" (3 times), "insider" (2 times), "witness," all without attribution, and the strained use of the passive voice ("We're told ...." and " ... was heard ...."), I'd say it is likely we've all been treated to another piece of Froelich's rather clumsy fiction. At least, the story is amusing, even if not intentionally so.
June 25, 2008, 9:30:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
In last nights WPitW....Keith nicely shows how easily Fox News/NYP lie...Where's the 1st class seating in a car?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#25357079
June 25, 2008, 9:33:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Keith's diversionary tactic is a hoot, and the gullible fall for it. When he couldn't get 1st class tickets, he went to DC by car. The NY Post article even says so! But Olby makes a crack about how he didn't even go by train, as if that proves the article a "lie", as the credulous put it. In fact, his story corroborates the article's statement that he ended up having someone drive him to DC.
So the liar is not Fox/NYP, it's Keith and those who repeat his sleazy fictions.
June 25, 2008, 9:40:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Oh, dear, HaggisFarmer, we made somewhat similiar, roughly equivalent, not quite the same, in the same general vein points a mere three (3) minutes apart, a point of view, I might add, so extraordinary, so out of the mainstream, so unique, so devious, that surely only one (1) person in the entire world could possibly hold it. We'll have some of our bretheren and sistern all a twitter in no time, tongues will be wagging and fingers pointing, at me and you, at you, at me, at us, individually and corporatelly, as this will be conclusive proof that you and I are one and the same, indistinguishable, being of the same substance with one another. Dare we hope that if NVH and Eric hold such views, generally speaking, they keep silent? I know I have now made it all the worse, because I am responding to you, which is responding to myself and you to me and me to you and us to one another. This will be very bad, indeed.
June 25, 2008, 9:45:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Nice job Motley Crue....Plenty free advertising for the new album after this video gets posted all over the net and cable news pick it up.
Bill of course will run it...Promoting it with the liberal use of the word "panty"
June 25, 2008, 9:46:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Words to Watch??
Last night on AC 360,Tony Perkins was part of a panel discussion on Obama's 2006 speech.He used the term "Orthodox Christian" FIVE times in the course of a short discussion.Is this a new "words that work" ala Luntz attempt to rebrand,and discard the term fundamentalist? I've never heard this term used in this way before.
Fox and Friends:
When I was a child the local weather forecast was delivered by a man wearing a Texaco uniform.I thought it was odd to see Hooter's commercials at 7AM,but this morning on F&F they had a young women in a Hooter's get-up reading some of the news.How far the mighty have fallen.
Concerning "The View" featuring 5 "Liberals" and one "Conservative".Does this mean that in the prevailing world view of the far right,that which is not "Conservative" is "Liberal"?Is there no such thing as a moderate.Time was when height,weight,shoe size and political attitudes fell out in a bell curve,with the majority in the middle.
And speaking of bell curves.From the late great George Carlin:
"Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."
June 25, 2008, 9:51:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I noticed that distinction as well, Johnny, and it doesn't do much to bolster either Olbermann's analytical abilities or his credibility or both. I suppose we can make the assumption he might have (been) driven to the District because of the train accomodations. I also suppose there could have been other reasons, perhaps a ride offer coming up at the last minute.
That leaves the great ketchup conundrum unresolved, of course.
I think we have to just take this for the pure enjoyment. The unsoucred/thinly sourced article in a mere gossip column scarcely matters. When do gossip columnists ever really source?
And Olbermann, well Olbermann!
Great fun.
June 25, 2008, 9:53:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 9:50 am |
I put it so much better when I'm writing under my alter ego.
I'm beginning to suspect J$ might have a few alter egos around here.
June 25, 2008, 9:58:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
A Haggis Farmer by any other name still smells as foul.
You guys can change your names, your syntax, etc., but your lack of character still shines (balefully) through...
June 25, 2008, 10:09:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Perkins and Sharpton, right?
The "orthodox Christian" term was noticeable as theologically this is usually used to refer to the Eastern Church, the Greek Orthodox, the Russian Orthodox, etc. I didn't really understand the reson for this rather novel, and somewhat inappropriate term. After all, we generally understand fundamentalists to be Protestants, and protest is rather the opposite of orthodox. You raise an interesting point. Perhaps, through misuse and overuse "fundamentalist" and even "evangelical" may have become loaded terms. That is a shame as they are both such important terms. Particularly, "evangelical" has a very warm spot in my heart, and I have recoiled as some have laid claim to the term and the media has used it so unartfully.
Did you notice how skillfully Sharpton took over the interview and ended it on the note he desired, even as Cooper gave Perkins the last word? It was an amazing rhetorical skill to behold (and I'm no particular fan of Sharpton).
June 25, 2008, 10:10:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I knew someone would be onto us soon, HF, and NVH, my sincerest apologies. I may have made you me and me you with the Perkins discussion. Perhaps, you can defend Sharpton to draw some distinction. Maybe we can have some sort of civil war in which we argue over something like favorite colors or best kisser. I'm going to go with gray, which ought to provoke all sort of crackpot psychological analyses, but is true, and my wife, which is safe but also true.
June 25, 2008, 10:14:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I saw a recent poll saying that the majority of Americans not only believe in God, but they also believe in angels and demons.
A great many of those believers do not fall under the evangelical or fundamentalist label.
I wonder how many of the believing general public, would agree with Obama that the Sermon on the Mount can be seen as underpinning marriage as it relates to gay civil unions and that championing anti-abortion laws through the democratic process, because of reasoning based traditional Judeo-Christian principles, is tantamount to establishing Levitical law
Even in our pluralistic society, that's a stand that counters western history and tradition... (not to mention Obama's expressed scriptural interpretations that counter both protestant and Catholic teaching.)
I'd venture that Dobson is on pretty safe ground as pertains to theology, legal tradition, AND majority sentiment...
Perhaps Barack should stick to pithy expreessions such as "Change" and "Yes, we can"....
June 25, 2008, 10:28:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 10:19 am |
OTM...Why do you continually spell "color" wrongly....I'd never spell it that way...Always spelt it "colour" myself.
There definitive proof we're different people...But I do have to agree with you on the grey front....My all time favourite colour is salmon pink.
June 25, 2008, 10:32:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
The other day I was reading a poster who was arguing that you were me.I thought of pointing out the possiblility I was actually you,but we chose not to.
Blue.And I knew a woman,...?... ,who coulda' shucked oysters with he tongue.But let's not go there.
I've often questioned Mr Sharpton's sincerity,whether he was most concerned about an injustice,or getting his name in the papers.But he is a man of some talent.And he got Mr O'Reilly safely through a dinner at Sylvia's.Surely no small feat.
June 25, 2008, 10:35:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well, wonderful... if Tommy Lee reads this blog he'll know what color both your drawers are...
June 25, 2008, 10:35:53 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
"Perhaps Barack should stick to pithy expressions such as 'Change' and 'Yes, we can'...."
After reading St. Barack's 2006 speech, I think that is a reasonable piece of advice.
June 25, 2008, 10:47:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
That's all well and good, but my "drawers" are my wife's favourite colour, not mine, and I refuse to disclose that to you or anyone, Cecelia.
June 25, 2008, 10:55:53 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
OK let's remember not to stray too far from cable news discussions. As I will be checking in only fitfully I hope when I do I find everyone playing nice together.
June 25, 2008, 10:56:02 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
cee | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 10:52 am |
I found Sen Obama's speech to be quite thought provoking.What did you object to??
http://obama.senate.gov/speech/060628-call_to_renewal/
June 25, 2008, 11:04:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I doubted the Post story, but with F&F saying "people said" and Joan Rivers' presence adding credibility to the discussion, perhaps I should rethink my position.
June 25, 2008, 11:06:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 11:11 am |
OTM...Were you as disappointed as me...No Doocy reporting this NYP exclusive....I really felt it needed a Doocy "THIS IS HUUUUUUUUUGE" to set fire to the exclusive.
June 25, 2008, 11:33:33 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Patsy and Flucker ... together again. Haggis, I can't say that I need to take no dose when reading your comments, unlike when reading from your other half.
June 25, 2008, 11:42:33 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
sharm | 06.25.08 - 11:47 am |
Well there's proof...olby sucks calls folk "Patsy" and now sharm does....There the same person....CAUGHT
June 25, 2008, 11:52:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Indeed, Doocy always adds authenticity to any story, particularly with his voice range and his wide-open eyes. I often have a sense that I need to get out of the Rover and check the bumper for deer fur and tissue when I see him.
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Good catch on Sharon, by the way.
June 25, 2008, 12:01:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
J$....Just interested....Do you take your name from the famous insurance investigator also called Johnny Dollar?
June 25, 2008, 12:23:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OTM,
So you finally have dropped your sugary, overly courteous front now have you? Gone now is your almost tearful maudlin protestations of well, I am going to respect you; even of you don't respect me.
In point of fact you have proven yourself to be an extremely dishonorable, duplicitous person. To borrow your language: This is what we have established beyond all doubt:
How far that evident duplicity runs, I have no idea. Does it extend to your manufacturing a number of sock puppets here? I don't know. Does it extend you your having a relationship with Ellen Brodsky and that you in cooperation with others dogponders have an agenda (to use an Ellen word) here? I don't know that either. At this point I would not put anything past you.
I have told you what you need to do in order to gain back any entitlement to respect. It is the same thing that I would require of any editor or any poster or any acquaintance. Go back to the place than you made the slander recant it. That might take courage on your part which you may not have, but it is not an unreasonable request. It is something that any honorable person would do.
Or if you won't do the above, then at least come to this site and call Johnny a Stalinist and be ready to back it up. In any case, end the duplicity. Don't say one thing one place and another thing at another place. Be a man or a woman or whatever you are. Don't be many people.
BTW: That publicity thing you talked about works both ways. I would not have known anything about the Dollar site were it not for NH posters talking about this site. Once I realized that NH truly is Stalinist . . . and no that is not something entirely different that what I have said to them . . . and that I could not express my opinions there without being flamed and moderated unfairly . . . I decided to post here where I could free to say what I thought.
Now you say that I am part of a cabal. Does that mean that I have joined your "infamous gang of four" (or five or whatever it is)? Gawd I hop so. That has long been my ambition.
June 25, 2008, 12:31:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Well there's proof...olby sucks calls folk "Patsy" and now sharm does....There the same person....CAUGHT
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 11:57 am | #
You're desperation is showing, again. Had any muslims over for dinner, lately?
June 25, 2008, 12:36:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
danny | 06.25.08 - 12:36 pm |
That last post read very much like a Fox News story...Absolutely NO facts...But we'll run it anyway.
June 25, 2008, 12:38:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Oh, looky. Patsy/aap/dp defending otm/nvh/philby/donquixotesrocket.
June 25, 2008, 12:40:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Haha good one Haggis.
I just watched the Durbin clip. He almost failed the talking points test until he got in the 100 year reference just in the nick of time.
June 25, 2008, 12:43:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
It's not a coincodence he's known as "turbin durbin."
June 25, 2008, 12:47:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Once I realized that NH truly is Stalinist
When did they let you out of the gulag?
June 25, 2008, 12:50:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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June 25, 2008, 12:52:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
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June 25, 2008, 12:53:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
On the contrary, my post was based on fact. Like I say you need to take the red pill.
BTW Don't you have promises to keep? Where are your facts? I am still waiting.
June 25, 2008, 12:56:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
danny | 06.25.08 - 1:01 pm |
Reading your posts using Keiths impersonation of Oreilly makes them priceless....Thanks
June 25, 2008, 1:02:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
North Korea: Nancy Loo, been there done that before anchoring Fox News Chicago. Fox probably doesn't know so shhhh....
June 25, 2008, 1:04:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
I'm with Keith on the ketchup packets. A pretty reasonable expectation, much more so than m&m colour preference. Even Joan Rivers agrees (check out F&F clip) but I guess she has an ax to grind since she was fired by Fox.
June 25, 2008, 1:08:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
Yep, when you can't argue the facts turn to ridicule.
What is hilarious is hearing you suggest that fact based posts are not factual. You who tends to make extravagant claims, and then won't support them when challenged.
You of all people want to say someone else's posts are not founded on facts? You . . . you really want to go there? That is what is really funny! That is what is priceless.
June 25, 2008, 1:24:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
danny | 06.25.08 - 1:29 pm |
Calm down Danny...It's only light hearted banter.
June 25, 2008, 1:30:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
--- Does that mean that I have joined your "infamous gang of four" (or five or whatever it is)? Gawd I hop so. That has long been my ambition.
Sorry, Danny. Tempermentally, you're a match, but your IQ is too high.
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--- That last post read very much like a Fox News story...Absolutely NO facts...But we'll run it anyway.
In stitches over that one!
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--- Bill will report Friday on how ABC is helping the enemy.
Average American Patriot | 06.25.08 - 12:57 pm | #
Can someone do a recap for me? I give my cat an ear mite treatment then.
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--- since she was fired by Fox.
I'd forgotten about that.
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--- he's known as "turbin durbin."
Who knows him as that? Citation please, and nothing from Wiener.
June 25, 2008, 1:31:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Take a hike, quixote.
June 25, 2008, 1:38:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
danny, why do you think haggis/patsy was kicked off OW? For posting crap.
June 25, 2008, 1:40:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Can someone do a recap for me? I give my cat an ear mite treatment then.
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 1:36 pm |
No problem...I'm on top of that....But I thought Thursday was mite treatment night....Damn...Sorry OTM...I'm saying too much.
June 25, 2008, 1:41:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
danny, why do you think haggis/patsy was kicked off OW? For posting crap.
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 1:45 pm |
Well I would have been in good company if I'd ever been to OW...Some people say, OW is just dripping with anti Keith crap....Is this true
June 25, 2008, 1:52:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
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June 25, 2008, 1:54:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
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http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k232/kenalovell/smileys/Laughing_RoflSmileyLJ.gif
June 25, 2008, 1:56:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
OW is just dripping with anti Keith crap....Is this true
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 1:57 pm |
Exposing Krazy Legs Keith Olbermanns lies and hypocrisies one at a time. Very often 2 at a time. "Like shooting fish in a barrel" to quote a certain Obyloon.
June 25, 2008, 1:59:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
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June 25, 2008, 1:59:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
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June 25, 2008, 2:02:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Immelt refuses to clean up a river that HE polluted? Shocker!
June 25, 2008, 2:07:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 2:07 pm | #
My speedy Mexican connection "0.07 seconds"...Maybe you should talk with your ISP over your slow speeds.
June 25, 2008, 2:07:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
2:01 pm
http://beccamcutie.wikispaces.com/space/showimage/happy-face.gif
June 25, 2008, 2:09:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Might be faster, but, it was wrong. Nice olbyloon diversion.
June 25, 2008, 2:10:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Now Haggis, here is the initial request:
Who knows him as that? Citation please, and nothing from Wiener.
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 1:36 pm | #
This area has been covered according to the specs of the ubiquitous one.
(I am tryin' hard as I kin to raise my intelligence for OTM so I'm lerning new words)
June 25, 2008, 2:15:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Missy
Sorry if someone already mentioned this; I glanced over the 65 posts, and it was just two guys going at it, as usual.
Anyway, I wanted to "opine" about the lauding of Russert/trashing of O'Reilly by Knute Berger. While others are mentioned as not being good listeners, only O'Reilly makes it to the minor title (or whatever it's called). That sucks.
But look at this quote from Mr. Berger: "Maybe I'm setting the bar too low in these days of Katie Couric, who calibrates her interviews to the level of Special Olympics participants."
YES!!!!! I found a "gotcha" quote! How DARE this guy make a pejorative out of Special Olympics participants!
I of course would never care about calling out someone on such a quote, but from what this guy wrote about O'Reilly, Imus, et al, he would be the first to do so. So let's just hope SOMEONE picks up on his misstatement.
June 25, 2008, 2:17:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
For OTM (NVH)
I'm just the leader of the pack.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b79/sandra9968/dopey.jpg
June 25, 2008, 2:18:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 2:15 pm |
I know what has happened here....You've added the Google right wing optimiser add-on.
June 25, 2008, 2:18:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
No, you lied, again.
June 25, 2008, 2:20:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
I saw that quote, Missy, and thought I misread something out of context.
June 25, 2008, 2:29:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Calm down Danny...It's only light hearted banter.
Sooo you go to banter when you can't use logic and facts? OK
--- That last post read very much like a Fox News story...Absolutely NO facts...But we'll run it anyway.
In stitches over that one!
OTM I actually agree with you. That was pretty funny.
First, it was funny that Factless Haggis who said it. She who runs away and hides whenever you ask her for facts to back up her extreme assertions.
Secondly, since my post was based on unassailable facts, HF was actually supporting the credibility of Fox News. Not only was that the opposite of what she intended (I daresay), she did not even realize what she was doing.
--- Does that mean that I have joined your "infamous gang of four" (or five or whatever it is)? Gawd I hop so. That has long been my ambition.
Sorry, Danny. Tempermentally, you're a match, but your IQ is too high.
As I read your original post, it seems that Johnny is a part of your "infamous gang." I realize it's a little muddled, but I get the impression that you are doubting the height of Johnny's IQ. Next time you debate Johnny about something, we will see how that goes.
Now all you need to do is to call Johnny a Stalinist here and you will be on your way to being less duplicitous. Now that isn't so hard, is it?
June 25, 2008, 2:29:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 2:25 pm |
Talking about lies...Here's some interesting google results.
Results 1 - 20 of about 1,790,000 for O'reilly lie. (0.06 seconds)
even better when you add Bill.
Results 1 - 20 of about 5,840,000 for bill O'reilly lie. (0.28 seconds)
Then Keith.
Results 1 - 20 of about 553,000 for keith olbermann lie. (0.09 seconds)
June 25, 2008, 2:34:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
danny | 06.25.08 - 2:34 pm |
Just reading your posts...You're showing severe O'Reilly addiction...Just look at the words you're using...There has been talk about this addiction in the passed...But just reading your posts show it plainly exists.
June 25, 2008, 2:50:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Results 1 - 20 of about 1,790,000 for O'reilly lie.
What are we playing a new game? "How Lame Is My Research"?
Results 1 - 100 of about 2,460,000 for alien abductions
June 25, 2008, 2:53:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
So let's just hope SOMEONE picks up on his misstatement.
Missy | 06.25.08 - 2:22 pm | #
You did, and I appreciate it! Ghastly.
June 25, 2008, 2:56:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
No, Johnny is and has never been a gang member. He rises well above that group.
As for being a Stalinist, I have explained that repeatedly, and I viewed Johnny's actions in concert with the unfortunate Cox as a harsh, brutal, power play. I don't recall the quote, but I am sure Cecelia will be glad to repost for --- how many dozen times? I think I referenced a Stalinistic purge, didn't I? Not the same thing as equating someone with Stalin. I certainly share Stalin's fondness for Georgian wine. That makes me a bit Stalinistic, doesn't it? Perhaps that's too fine a line, and for that I would certainly apologize. I don't think Johnny is Stalin or Stalin-like, although I frequently disagree with him. I have always had the impression he is big enough to deal with that. I don't recall him whining about it endlessly.
Any chance we can end this ridiculous argument now and devote some attention to the topic at hand? I don't really care whether you like or respect me, but let's try to respect this site.
June 25, 2008, 3:06:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Thanks for the pic, Sharon. I always assumed you were taller.
June 25, 2008, 3:06:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
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June 25, 2008, 3:08:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
Strange you would say that, since I don't have a TV and rarely watch TV. It has been a long time since I have seen an O'Reilly show. The only time I get to see O'Reilly are on clips that I find on the internet. If I were truly addicted to O'Reilly, I would likely get cable and fulfill my addiction.
Since you are having such a hard time following me, maybe you should change your temperament and apply for membership in the gang of four or five or whatever. I am told their IQ is beneath mine.
Really, I think you may projecting. The brainless, factless nonsense that you spout plus your tendency to demean and ridicule rather than debate are probably signs of your addiction to some fanatical liberal group . . . probably Newshounds. Just break your addiction and you will likely be a lot smarter.
June 25, 2008, 3:09:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OTM,
Since you have forgotten, here is the quote.
I think he's really hit a nerve, and hsi detractors are feeling some heat. Has anyone taken a look at Olbermann Watch lately? A complete purge. If you criticize FOX or agree with Olbermann, you're gone. Stalinistic group is Cox, Dollar and the infamous gang of four over there.
On The Mark | 02.08.08 - 3:13 pm | #
As you can see you did say that Dollar was a part of the Stalinistic group. I guess you could argue that you indicated Dollar is different from the gang of four who are also a part of the Stalinistic group.
The best way to end the argument is for you to go to the site and recant what you said (at least about Dollar) That would end the argument as far as I am concerned.
June 25, 2008, 3:18:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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June 25, 2008, 3:54:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Results 1 - 10 of about 732,000 for olbermann lie. (0.29 seconds)
June 25, 2008, 4:01:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
true - the usual Olbermann lie so as to smear Hillary and advance Obama - no named source but.
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?
June 25, 2008, 4:04:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
"Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people"
Eleanor Roosevelt
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June 25, 2008, 4:12:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
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HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 3:59 pm |
That sounds serious...It was only The View.
June 25, 2008, 4:17:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Oh, the irony is off the chart.
What are the odds that two talentless twits (three if you count Doocey) such as these could find themselves on the same show?
Where does Murdoch go to recruit these hacks, Moronia?
Rory Og 'O Moore | 06.25.08 - 1:21 pm | #
June 25, 2008, 4:18:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
You still refuse to accept the fact that at the time I wrote the piece, I believed it to be true. What happened at OW was, in fact, to be an ideological purge involving some of the same sort who do not tolerate and departure from their own views, for any reason. To whatever extent Johnny was involved, I believe him to have been wrong and to have acted harshly. Since I began visiting this site on a regular basis, my view of Johnny has improved considerably. He has faults and foibles as we all do, except of course Cecelia and Jeff/Royal King/Mr. Sucks. I still often disagree with Johnny. But, this Johnny at this site is one I always respect. That doesn't change what I believe happened at OW. I will add, having a keener knowledge of Johnny's work and having met him in a far less negative venue, I have to wonder how much he was interested in quashing dissent. Very little, I now suspect. If that is sufficient, well and good. If not, well and good, also. I'm done with the topic.
If you're not, I know someone who has enough baggage to lend you some.
June 25, 2008, 4:19:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
That's all well and good, but my "drawers" are my wife's favourite colour, not mine, and I refuse to disclose that to you or anyone, Cecelia.
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 11:00 am | #
Well, if she doesn't mind you wearing her underwear, why should we...
June 25, 2008, 4:20:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Excellent NVH. How I wish I could live up to Ms. Roosevelt's high stnadards! How I wish we all could.
June 25, 2008, 4:20:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"I have to wonder how much he was interested in quashing dissent."
by otm/nvh/donquixotesrocket
That's no the truth. "Dissent" was not quashed. Trying to discredit a blog was. Try telling the truth, for once in your life.
June 25, 2008, 4:23:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OTM,
I don't understand your resistance towards correcting your false impression of Johnny at the site where you said it.
Is it laziness? Cowardliness? Or is it that you are not being sincere in what you are saying now?
June 25, 2008, 4:29:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark and Everyone Else
You're right. The site is more engaging than ever. Seldom does one ever see such a wonderful melding of opinion into a solitary voice. Oddly, the banality does little for me, but this is my less. How wonderful to have found a safe and comfortable home where your ideas are never tested or challenged. Would but that satisfy me. You are a indeed blessed, O Secular Trinity, Jeff, Royal King and Mr. Sucks.
June 25, 2008, 4:29:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
OtM, if you want to keep making charges about OlbyWatch, you should take them there and address them to the site manager. It is especially infuriating that you do it here, where he doesn't see it, and that your claim of an "ideological purge" is simply a bald-faced lie. I happen to know for a fact that of all the registrations received for commenters at OW, not one has been turned down for ideological reasons. In fact, not one has been turned down, period. There are to this day vigorous exchanges of opposite points of view there, minus the once-traditional sock puppets, crass vulgarities, and fictitious persona.
I wholeheartedly support what was done at OW to keep the spam and revolting vulgarisms off the site. For you to call it some sort of ideological purge is both ignorant and dishonest. Particularly given your own history of creating multiple identities and fomenting pretend debates between them in order to bog the site down in profanity and subject matter other than that of Olbermann.
So I don't want to hear any more from you about Olbermann Watch or purges. Your own hands at that site are anything but clean, and you know what I am talking about. Please get off the subject.
June 25, 2008, 4:30:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Mark,
I don't understand your resistance to correcting your false impression of Johnny at the site where you stated it.
Is it laziness? Cowardliness? Or is it that you are not being sincere in what you are saying now?
June 25, 2008, 4:33:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I am sorry I offended you, Johnny. I will certainly refrain from discussing that subject matter, again.
June 25, 2008, 4:39:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Just for the record, I didn't say I was offended. I just said you were wrong.
June 25, 2008, 4:44:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Danny,
When Mark was trolling OW, he routinely questioned Johnny's honesty and many times, in full fey vapors, proclaimed him not worth reading and unworthy of any exchange whatsoever. Back then Johnny was the bad guy and Bob Cox, the blog owner, was the reasonable one.
In a pretense of equanimity, Mark also told Bob Cox that he (Mark) understood that OW would not survive if it continued without such gate-keeping.
I'm sure Mark is grateful to Johnny for his tolerance. But mostly Johnny is merely what every person who Mark chooses to compliment at any given time-- merely a tool to contrast with the person he is currently wishing to insult or needle.
Since blocked at the site,
June 25, 2008, 4:46:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I think in the spirit of Johnny's instructions to me, Cecelia, you ought to refrain from airing the dirty laundry, as well. I know I would appreciate it, greatly.
June 25, 2008, 4:48:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I love you, Johnny Dollar!!
June 25, 2008, 4:49:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I'll bet.... I was merely answering your revisionism, but a neatly weasely and self-serving move as ever, Mark...
June 25, 2008, 4:50:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Results 1 - 100 of about 2,460,000 for alien abductions
Results 1 - 20 of about 5,840,000 for bill O'reilly lie.
Mr O'Reilly gets twice as many citations as alien abductions.That's gotta mean something,though I'll be durned if I know what.
June 25, 2008, 4:55:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Alternate titles for O'Reilly's last epistle:
http://www.newsweek.com/id/142656
June 25, 2008, 5:02:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I vote no. 3, btw.
June 25, 2008, 5:03:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 5:07 pm |
I'll go with 3...Now I understand why Bills gone after NewsWeek....For purely personal reasons.
June 25, 2008, 5:11:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
I'll go with no. 2, 'A Deep Barking Voice of Inanity'
Why does he do this?Does he think that Newsweek is just going to roll over?Does he think "NEWSWEEK has really gone off the rails with its far-left posture,"is going to resonate with anyone besides his own audience?Or does he just live by the credo "There is no such thing as bad publicity."
June 25, 2008, 5:13:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
....For purely personal reasons.
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 5:16 pm | #
Even though Karl Rove is a newsweek emoloyee?
June 25, 2008, 5:15:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 5:20 pm |
What has Rove got to do with it?
June 25, 2008, 5:18:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
What has Rove got to do with it?
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 5:23 pm | #
Hey, patsy. That sounds like a song.
"What's Rove got to do with it,
What's Rove go to do with it.
What's Rove, but, a first rate architect, yea!"
June 25, 2008, 5:23:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Finally Hume (sort of) apologises for his non fact checked report about Malik Obama.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200806250005?f=h_latest
June 25, 2008, 5:25:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 5:28 pm |
Just answer the question...Singing like a parrot doesn't cut the mustard...Sorry
June 25, 2008, 5:28:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
The first time they called me a strategist, Fleming Kleeb recalls, I literally laughed on TV.
Classy. Real classy.
June 25, 2008, 5:28:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Let's say you had a friend, patsy. Hypothetically speaking, of course. Would you go to his place of employment and attack his boss?
June 25, 2008, 5:30:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 5:35 pm |
Bill has
June 25, 2008, 5:35:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
So within its pages, a credible and prestigious national news magazine is squaring off against a cable news pundit!
How about:
A Shocking Lapse In Sanity
A Revealing Exercise In Disproportionality
A Disintegration Into Liberality
A Downward Arrow for CW Triviality
June 25, 2008, 5:35:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I'm honored to post this clip of MSNBC's Keith Olbermann nominating me as the third-worst person in the world for my Monday story (along with an uncredited David K. Li) on Jerry Manuel's fertilizer comment.
Pretty pompous stuff for somebody who ditches the pinstripes and dresses like a creepy homeless person when he skulks around the Shea Stadium press box during games.
A 6'4" 400lb homeless man? You're kidding, right?
June 25, 2008, 5:45:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
Fox News would like to remind its viewers that liberal celebrities who share their political views and give out endorsements are arrogant ELITISTS who need to shut up because America doesn't care what you think...
unless you're name is Stephen Baldwin and you're a McCain supporter, in which case please come onto Fox News and tell us why you're supporting McCain so we can kiss your ass while ranting about Sean Penn.
Hypocrisy? Fox News is thy name.
June 25, 2008, 5:47:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
O/T
I know this isn't cable news related...But it's Jon Stewart at his best :lol:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/30439/1/TDS-McCain-Youth-Vote-062408.wmv/
June 25, 2008, 5:50:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Yes, Eric, FNC has had to turn away liberal celebrities in droves. Why in the world would they want their kind on the network making fodder for promos such as "George Clooney on Greta!" or "Tim Robbins and Susan Sarandon: A Very Special Cavuto"....
June 25, 2008, 5:54:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
Anyone remember the name of the guy who worked on the Scary Movie franchise? Who Fox News fell in love with during the runup to the 2006 election?
Personally I love the distinction, how differently he was treated by Fox News because he was producing pro-GOP commercials, and of course liberal celebrities that Fox News absolutely despises. Kilmeade jumped down Gerrafolo's throat during the runup to the Iraq War, but this guy?
Not so much.
June 25, 2008, 5:55:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
"Cecelia"
You didn't really rebut anything I just said, so I can't help but laugh at you.
Conservative celebrities are absolute heroes on Fox News. Especially Dennis Miller.
Know any liberal celebrities that are regular contributors at Fox, who are brought on to discuss politics, and are treated as well as Miller? Doubt it.
June 25, 2008, 5:58:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Maybe the Scary Movie guy didn't appear on FNC and then commence to insult the network, as Garrafolo did.
Maybe he was polite and didn't use the network to score lefty radio audience points.
Garrafolo-- not so much...
June 25, 2008, 6:00:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Eric,
Perhaps the point was too subtle for you...
June 25, 2008, 6:04:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Re: Hume's Apologia
This is H-U-U-U-U-G-E!!!
June 25, 2008, 6:05:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 6:10 pm |
It most certainly is...Fox news seem to be apologising daily.
June 25, 2008, 6:09:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
The only difference between Stewart and FNC is Stewart admits he isn't reporting news and FNC denies that it is not making up the news. They can both be hilarious.
June 25, 2008, 6:12:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
HF, yeah, but it's only 4 "U" huge today...
June 25, 2008, 6:12:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
It doesn't take much to get DonQuixote'sDonkey into News Hound mode... :D
June 25, 2008, 6:15:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
That's because I was eating Cheetos and my keyboard got sticky.
We have friends coming over tonight for fish (read cod) and chips with mayo and mushy peas and a nice fish pie with Speckled Hen. Annual Pub Night. All are welcome.
June 25, 2008, 6:16:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
read = real
Damn Cheetos.
June 25, 2008, 6:17:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Squire Haggis, perhaps you could break out into a chorus of "I like him.... I really like him.... Tear out my fingernails one-by-one... I like him.... Don't ask me for why or wherefore, cos I don't have a single good because or therefore..."
June 25, 2008, 6:18:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 6:21 pm | #
Old Speckled Hen...Very nice....Give me 40 minutes.
June 25, 2008, 6:18:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I really don't know why any network or newspaper should apologize on the air or in print for a mistake that they may have made on the air or in print. If there is one thing we have learned, it is not necessary to apologize where you made the misstatement. All that should be necessary is to call whoever it was on the phone (or maybe you could announce your apology in a meeting you were both attending). But no one should ever make an apology where they made the mistake.
To expect that out of anyone or any entity . . . well you are just causing trouble and you ought to move on.
June 25, 2008, 6:20:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
See, proof HaggisFarmer and I aren't the same person. If we were, he could get to the same place I am in 3 minutes or less!
June 25, 2008, 6:20:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Haggis, is hoping you mean for all that to be in a speckled hen's stomach.
June 25, 2008, 6:20:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
OTM, you can't even manage that. It takes you at least four to break character.
June 25, 2008, 6:21:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Be happy I didn't bring up dessert.
June 25, 2008, 6:22:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
OTM, I thought dessert was Danny.
June 25, 2008, 6:23:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 6:25 pm |
Now there flummoxed
Cecelia | 06.25.08 - 6:25 pm |
No preferably in a glass...Just below room temperature.
June 25, 2008, 6:24:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Here's hoping you finally put a stake in your heart, Mark and become a real boy...
Or something like that.
June 25, 2008, 6:24:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
See, proof HaggisFarmer and I aren't the same person. If we were, he could get to the same place I am in 3 minutes or less!
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 6:25 pm | #
Nobody said you were.
June 25, 2008, 6:26:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
Oh, by the way, Johnny, I have a question for you. It's not about bias, it's an honest question.
Did H&C stop doing their electoral map segment? I haven't seen it over the past week or so. Maybe I missed it. Do they only do it once a week or something?
June 25, 2008, 6:27:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Eric,
I think they realized that only conservatives were interested in the map and, not wanting to be considered a (R) mouthpiece, they quit giving out that obscure news that nobody much was interested in,
June 25, 2008, 6:31:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Eric | 06.25.08 - 6:32 pm |
I also noticed that....About the same time Obama took a healthy lead
June 25, 2008, 6:31:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
danny | 06.25.08 - 6:36 pm |
Honestly,how many "liberals" do you think watch H&C?
June 25, 2008, 6:34:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
nvh, where's donquixotesrocket? LOL!
June 25, 2008, 6:35:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
He must be "stuffing" the hen.....
June 25, 2008, 6:36:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH
Don't know. I do know that they tend to lead in their time period, so my guess is quite a few liberals are watching. I know Eric (who is a big liberal) watches every day.
It is good that they don't give out the map now that Obama opened up his HUGE lead (a little questionable but we'll go with it) because that might scare conservatives into action. And people like Eric (who is willing to jump at anything) would claim that Fox is doing the (R)'s work,
June 25, 2008, 6:38:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Anyone remember John Kerry? He was up in the polls in June as well. Where's he now? LOL!
June 25, 2008, 6:44:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Hannity was just outraged at Alan joke last night...."especially somebody like Barack Obama who hasnt been on the national scene as long as someone like John McCain, whos been there since the earth cooled."
Funny how Hannity always accepts Coulters "jokes" warmly.
June 25, 2008, 6:46:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Ripped fro the newshounds. Thanks, patsy!
June 25, 2008, 6:47:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
John Kerry is in the Senate now.
Do I win a price, or is this just some cheesey contest that give out "bonus bucks"?
June 25, 2008, 6:47:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Making a point regarding what polls mean. Nice diversion.
June 25, 2008, 6:49:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
... or ripped from any number of other websites .... Shocked.
Thanks, Jeff. LOL.
June 25, 2008, 6:49:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Well, perhaps you should have said so and not implied prizes were to be had.
June 25, 2008, 6:50:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
otm, tell donq not to stuff the hen too hard, ok?
June 25, 2008, 6:51:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 6:54 pm |
As usual OS jumps the gun....I came across the story on Alan's site....After reading the laughable hate mail....What on was your OS
June 25, 2008, 6:52:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
You call that a "story?"
June 25, 2008, 6:53:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
We're having fish, not fowl. I don't understand. Are you off the wagon?
June 25, 2008, 6:54:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Damn...That Old Speckled Hen is good...should read "What one was yours"
June 25, 2008, 6:55:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
danny | 06.25.08 - 6:43 pm |
I personally don't know anyone who watches H&C,not that my social sphere si neccesarily representitive.
Most people are pressed for time,and if they seek to be informed,they certainly wouldn't seek out H&C.There is little to be learned from listening to angry people snarl and emit talking points.Any real facts are steeped in such hyperbola as to be unidentifiable.
I think that this is much of the reason for the relative failure of "Liberal" talk radio.Liberals already know what they think,and to listen to someone denigrate the opposition and state and restate the "Liberal"view is a waste of their time.
June 25, 2008, 6:56:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I usually go for Spitfire, but Shepherd Neames is not exporting to the US. I gather Cindy McCain bought out the distributor, shut it down and is selling only Bud Light.
Excuse me. The peas are down, and I need to go puree.
June 25, 2008, 6:58:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
You forgot to excuse nvh, too.
June 25, 2008, 7:00:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
NVH:
When you said those words (about Liberals and their thought processes), you said true words, but every John Bircher around is going to stop looking for Communists under their beds and come after you. I'm going to be so smashed soon I can't offer much help.
June 25, 2008, 7:01:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
OTM....Once the Europeans own Bud...They'll start sending over the good stuff.
June 25, 2008, 7:02:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I thought HaggisFarmer was NVH, Jeff. I have got to get a matrix to keep this straight.
June 25, 2008, 7:02:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Once the Europeans own Bud...They'll start sending over the good stuff.
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I'll drink to that!
June 25, 2008, 7:03:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
What I really want to know is....Who the hell Mike is....I'm thinking it's J$ or maybe danny
June 25, 2008, 7:04:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I thought HaggisFarmer was NVH, Jeff.
Nobody said that, philby. Nice diversion.
June 25, 2008, 7:07:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Who the hell Mike is....I'm thinking it's J$ or maybe danny
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 7:09 pm | #
Give it up, dp.
June 25, 2008, 7:08:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Excuse me. The peas are down, and I need to go puree.
On The Mark | 06.25.08 - 7:03 pm |
My peas will soon be done.Having experienced fresh peas,shelled when still cold from the overnight dew,and then lightly steamed,I just can't understand what the English do to peas.
June 25, 2008, 7:12:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Could be more Mr. Sucks. Maybe, he just plays "stoopid".
June 25, 2008, 7:12:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 7:13 pm |
OS....Has that tingling feeling started yet?...Not long now....I'm guessing Bill will smear GM tonight.
June 25, 2008, 7:13:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
They are ghastly, aren't they? It's the authenticity. Like mayonaise instead of ketchup with the chips. Remember the cooking show on PBS, "Two Fat Ladies"? They were roastng pumpkin, squash-style, once, for a Christmas feast in the islands. Once said, "Should you ever spot an American with a pumpkin, you ought run as far and fast as possible. They do the most utterly ghastly things with them. Sticky, syrupy, custardy." I tended to agree with that.
June 25, 2008, 7:16:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
"Two Fat Ladies"
Now they could cook proper food...Not so hot looking on the bike + side-car...but they could cook....Sadly one of them died.
June 25, 2008, 7:22:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
I await an honest answer Johnny. Have I simply missed it, or did they stop doing the electoral map on H&C?
June 25, 2008, 7:38:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I personally don't know anyone who watches H&C,not that my social sphere si neccesarily representitive.
Oh I don't know. I suspect that your social sphere is representative of a certain social group. Many like unto your social group (I daresay)can be found lurking around the NH site. I have noticed that you lurk there yourself every now and then,and you certainly don't stand out as being one who is not of a like mind.
People who are in your social group (generally speaking) do not seem to value difference of opinion. They also seem to confuse ridicule and name calling with serious debate.
That's why people's actually having a civil debate with little or no name calling (yeah people raise their voices and are passionate about what they believe, but you can do that and still be civil) really confuses the people of your social sphere. Ellen Brodsky is really confused, because the only way that you can say that the debate is not fair is to argue that Hannity is a brilliant debater while Colmes is a blithering idiot. Humorously, in her articles, Ellen Brodsky seem to indicate the opposite . . . that Hannity is an buffoon and an idiot while Colmes is brilliant. So she completely undercuts her case that H&C is not fair to liberals, without realizing it. I mean if she is right the show is unfair to conservatives and Fox, to be fair, needs to get a smarter, more eloquent guy to stand up to Colmes.
Like I say, it is all of that honest debate and difference of opinion that has Ellen confused. Her little Stalinist mind can't deal with it.
Many of those in your social group, I have noticed, confuse indoctrination with knowledge. That is why many in your social sphere think that they have great knowledge and wisdom . . . when actually they are woefully ignorant, and they cannot participate effectively in a civil and fair debate. They think they are wise and sophisticated . . . when all it is, they are indoctrinated.
June 25, 2008, 7:47:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
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June 25, 2008, 7:55:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Eric,
YOu have been refuted again and again on the subject of guest lists. It is time for you to get over it and find another subject. Hopefully, when you find that subject you won't fall all over yourself with that Dobson nonsense you came up with earler.
June 25, 2008, 7:58:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
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June 25, 2008, 7:59:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
If you check comments at OW, you can link onto MikeC's web page. Unlike some of the company here (please refer to 4:35), there is no subterfuge as to his identity. Oh here, I'll just save you the trouble:
http://mikechimeriblog.com/
June 25, 2008, 7:59:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
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June 25, 2008, 8:00:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Eric,
If you really think you won that debate you really need to take the red pill.
Before you do, you might provide us with that link where Begala and Carville say they are pining to be on Fox (when they have a contract with another network)
June 25, 2008, 8:02:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
No network is perfectly balanced. Perfection does not exist in the real world. But I tell you this, Fox's balance beats the industry standard by a long shot.
danny | 06.24.08 - 9:42 pm
I never heard back on this one yet.
June 25, 2008, 8:05:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
"Before you do, you might provide us with that link where Begala and Carville say they are pining to be on Fox (when they have a contract with another network)"
Carville has repeatedly said that he'll come on Fox whenever invited. He said as much in a debate with Bill O'Reilly. I never said they were "pining" to come on Fox. I said they would never turn down such an invitation. They have appeared once, to my recollection, on the O'Reilly Factor. The discussion at hand was Fox News' bias towards the Republican Party. So not surprisingly, I haven't seen them on since. Your claim that they aren't "allowed" on per their contract is ridiculous. A contract with CNN would simply prevent them from being hired as full time contributors. It would not prevent them from occassional interviews and debates.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1OODKGiXaU
June 25, 2008, 8:06:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
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June 25, 2008, 8:07:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Tuesday's prime time numbers...In the most important 25-54 demographic FoxNews #1 from 5pm to 11pm. In total audience even more dominant. That's all folks!
June 25, 2008, 8:10:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Oh, my lord... Here's what you have to deal with when real people blog owners are otherwise occupied:
A troubled schizophrenic political zealot who thinks the championing of entitlement programs for people he wouldn't be photographed with is a great channel for his anger and an even greater substitution for his lack of character
and all his other personalities...
Johnny come home soon!
June 25, 2008, 8:11:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
....I'm guessing Bill will smear GM tonight.
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 7:18 pm | #
Keep me posted.
"OS....Has that tingling feeling started yet?."
You've mistaken me for the drooler, mathews.
June 25, 2008, 8:11:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
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June 25, 2008, 8:14:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
david,tell us something we don't already know. How bad did Laura slaughter mathews?
June 25, 2008, 8:14:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
....I'm guessing Bill will smear GM tonight.
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 8:16 pm |
He smears GM every time NYP has an article on Keith...Dick did his usual hate.
June 25, 2008, 8:16:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
patsy, why do post lies? Don't ever put my name under something you spewed, got it?
June 25, 2008, 8:19:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
They also seem to confuse ridicule and name calling with serious debate.
really confuses the people
Ellen Brodsky is really confused
Her little Stalinist mind
confuse indoctrination with knowledge
woefully ignorant,
they are indoctrinated.
Well,I guess that settles that.
My social circle??Do you consider J$ part of YOUR social circle?
But I am sorry that NH hurt your feelings.
June 25, 2008, 8:19:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Her total audience #'s equaled Mathews/Blitzer combined.
June 25, 2008, 8:20:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Outrages...Bill wants dead speculators...Legalise drugs...Then overdose speculators....Guest didn't want to live in Bill's mad world.
June 25, 2008, 8:20:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
OK, I've told Eric before about his counting the guests obsession. You'll notice he wasn't here yesterday when Dick Durbin was on with Laura for two segments, or later when Nancy Pelosi was on with Greta for two segments. But tonight looks like more fertile ground so he's back with the counting of noses.
These threads are for comments on cable news. Making lists of guests, unless they encompass weeks and weeks of data that cover a wide range of hours, is a pointless exercise in anecdotal propagandizing. I'll say this just one more time. We're not going to clog up these threads with counting of the guests, because the only meaningful count would require a huge amount of data. You want to count guests? Start your own blog.
As for the H&C map, I THOUGHT they did something on it last week; I seem to recall hearing that BHO was way ahead in electoral votes because a couple of more states swung his way.. It was my understanding that the map segment would be updated when there were changes to be announced.
June 25, 2008, 8:21:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Her total audience #'s equaled Mathews/Blitzer combined.
david smawley | 06.25.08 - 8:25 pm | #
Great job, Laura! She smokes the drooler and the sawed off wolfman!
June 25, 2008, 8:24:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Your 8:26 comment stated my deleted point much better. Maybe that will end it, but don't count on it.
June 25, 2008, 8:24:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Eric,
I listened to your clip of Carville and he didn't say anything like what you think he said. In fact, he encouraged democratic candidates not to go on Fox. When asked if he go on Fox, he said yeah sure (provided that he was not a candidate).
If he were promoting a book or something I am sure he would go on Fox. That does not mean he would be ready and willing and able to go on Fox tomorrow.
You think it is ridiculous to say that people who are contractually bound to one networks don't face some barriers to going on rival networks?
Oh yeah networks love for that to happen.
That's why they pay their pool of commentators those nice salaries . . . so they they can do commentary on other networks. You are the one who is being ridiculous.
Case in point: You used to see Tony Snow around Fox a lot. Now you hardly see him at all. The reason? He got a contract to do commentary for a rival network.
June 25, 2008, 8:28:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Greta doesn't agree with Bill...So Bill quickly turns to name calling....Nearly calls Greta a PinHead.
June 25, 2008, 8:28:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
It's Immelts turn! The polluter! Nice.
June 25, 2008, 8:31:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Where's the liberal outrage? Immelt is allowed to pollute and the lefties are silent. Shocker!
June 25, 2008, 8:32:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
nvh, News Hounds doesn't hurt our feelings, it just insults our intelligence.
On the otherhand...you can have it, enjoy it, embrace it, love it, comment there forevah....(whoever is distracting nvh from the wonders of NH and that Ellen person, please let him go...)
Bye, nvy.... Go in peace...
June 25, 2008, 8:33:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Eric,
Again, as Dollar has tediously gone over with you guest list by guest list and has refuted you repeatedly on the claim that Fox is unbalanced his guest list. I really don't have anything to add to that. Dollar has already pwned you or balance, so I don't think I need say any more. On that subject, I defer to Dollar.
Of course, if Ellen is right about the comparative skill of the two major debaters, Hannity may need all the help he can get just to make it fair. Otherwise, and I am basing this on Ellen Brodsky's analyses, the show obviously tilts too far to the left.
June 25, 2008, 8:34:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
"I listened to your clip of Carville and he didn't say anything like what you think he said."
Oh, really?
"When asked if he go on Fox, he said yeah sure (provided that he was not a candidate)."
That's exactly what I said. LOL.
June 25, 2008, 8:37:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Bye, nvy.... Go in peace...
Cecelia | 06.25.08 - 8:38 pm | #
Notice how otm is gone, too? They come and go together. No brainer.
June 25, 2008, 8:38:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
"Dollar has already pwned you"
This is where I stop taking you seriously. You sound like some 16-year old nerd playing counterstrike in his pajamas.
June 25, 2008, 8:39:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Is BOR going after GE for the Hudson River pollution?
My God,that issue is decades old.Where has he been? If he really cared about the estuary he would have been working with Robert Kennedy Jr.Methinks he doesn't give a rats tush about PCB's, just wants something to smear with.
June 25, 2008, 8:41:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
You sound like some 16-year old nerd playing counterstrike in his pajamas.
Eric | 06.25.08 - 8:44 pm | #
Touche, clown.
June 25, 2008, 8:41:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Nice spin, philby.
June 25, 2008, 8:42:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> just wants something to smear with.
So you're saying that the story is false? GE really DID clean up the river? Because if the story is true, it ain't a smear. It's fact. And calling it a "smear" becomes a smear against O'Reilly.
Everyone, let's avoid the name calling. Everyone, no talking about adding up guest lists.
I'll be checking in again later and don't want to have so send anyone to Exile Island.
June 25, 2008, 8:44:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
notveryhow | 06.25.08 - 8:46 pm |
Wonder if we'll see the same outrage from Bill over this is:
"This morning, the Supreme Court issued a 5-3 decision (Justice Samuel Alito did not participate) slashing punitive damages Exxon Mobil must pay for the 1989 Valdez spill disaster from $2.5 billion to $500 million."
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/25/scotus-slashes-exxon-damages-for-valdez-spill-by-2-billion/
June 25, 2008, 8:45:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
"It was my understanding that the map segment would be updated when there were changes to be announced."
Well, if you're right, then they should be talking about it soon. Considering Rasmussen shows Obama opening a more firm lead in Pennsylvania, NH, NM and California and McCain opening a larger lead in FL.
H&C's decision to list California originally as only "lean dem" was completely idiotic.
Especially since McCain's call for off-shore drilling now has him down 28 points in California. Bush only lost by about 9, if I recall. That's a clear defeat, but it's certainly not a "landslide". It's simply a respectable loss. From a 9 point deficit to a 28 point deficit is a pretty massive shift, considering how large California's population is.
June 25, 2008, 8:45:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH,
As you last post reveals you are an incredibly stupid person. You are a complete imbecile. All your posts are incoherent ramblings like a person from an insane asylum. May you burn in Hell for your moronic stupidity (believe it or not someone at NH said that to me once).
I don't really mean what I have just written. I am just trying to illustrate to you what I mean my name calling and flaming. I am not talking about giving accurate descriptions of third parties.
It is the above which I am saying that many people of you social sphere confuse with civil debating.
As for J$people being my social circle, there is actually more diversity here than there ever will be at NH.
June 25, 2008, 8:48:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
patsy, stop posting your discredited left wing crap. That's why you were banned from ow. That and your trash mouth.
June 25, 2008, 8:48:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 8:49 pm |
No,the story is true.I'm only saying that,since the EPA declared the Hudson a Superfund site in 1983,and Mr O'Reilly is bringing it up NOW,his motive is probably not PCB's,or he'd have been talking about it for the past 25 years.Do you have evidence that he has.
If he has not been regularly raising the issue before this little spat with NBC and KO,then it looks to me as if his motivation is to "disparage?","cast doubt on?","make GE look bad",and not to address the pollution.
June 25, 2008, 8:51:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 8:53 pm |
Please show proof that my last post was wrong
June 25, 2008, 8:51:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
patsy, this is not about thinknoprogress. End of story.
June 25, 2008, 8:53:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
Johnny, I'm curious, do you agree with Fox News' decision to dishonestly label Amanda Carpenter as quote an "internet expert".
I love how liberals on Fox would never get such a neutral designation. Why can't Fox state flatly that Amanda Carpenter and MKH are Republicans/conservatives?
"Political reporter from townhall.com".
That's pretty dishonest. Townhall is basically a blog. She's a conservative blogger. She's not a reporter.
June 25, 2008, 8:53:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
This is the exact kind of thing that Brent Bozell over at the MRC routinely claims about. When CNN supposedly brings on someone who is a liberal but isn't identified as such. Well, why don't conservatives apply the same standard to their own?
June 25, 2008, 8:55:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Johnny, I'm curious, do you agree with Fox News' decision to dishonestly label Amanda Carpenter as quote an "internet expert".
Straight from the newshouds. LOL!
June 25, 2008, 8:55:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
"Dollar has already pwned you"
OK I'll translate. Dollar has owned you on that subject. In other words, he has thoroughly dominated despite the tediousness of that discussion.
Notice I did not make a personal attack against you, as you did towards me in your last post. Betcha learned to do that from your "sophisticated" NH buddies, didn't you?
June 25, 2008, 8:56:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 8:58 pm |
Just as I thought....No proof.
June 25, 2008, 8:56:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
So you're answering when you're called "Patsy", Haggis?
And what do you mean "wrong" when you've merely speculated as to what O'Reilly won't talk about tonight?
June 25, 2008, 8:58:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
So you're answering when you're called "Patsy", Haggis?
Cecelia | 06.25.08 - 9:03 pm |
Why spoil the lads fun.
June 25, 2008, 9:01:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
That's pretty dishonest. Townhall is basically a blog. She's a conservative blogger. She's not a reporter.
Eric | 06.25.08 - 8:58 pm | #
The first time they called me a strategist, Fleming Kleeb recalls, I literally laughed on TV.
How bout that, eric?
June 25, 2008, 9:01:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
That's exactly what I said.
No it is not Eric. Uncloud your mind and listen to the clip again. You may need to listen to it several times before you finally get it.
June 25, 2008, 9:04:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 8:58 pm |
Just as I thought....No proof.
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 9:01 pm |
thinknoprogress is off topic, patsy.
June 25, 2008, 9:04:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Eric...You can't win...These folk a the hardest of hard core Fox Fans....But it's funny watching them squirm.
June 25, 2008, 9:04:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Did I just see the map?
June 25, 2008, 9:04:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
I like how the Fox News channel sets up its subtitles as though they are fact:
"Karl Rove reveals problems with Obama's 50 state strategy".
No question mark. It's not suggestive. No, it's a fact. Karl Rove IS revealing Obama's problem. If Bob Beckel were talking, there would be no subtitle stating frankly, "Beckel explains while McCain can't win... blah blah blah".
I like how Fox works so closely with Rove that they set up his charts for him on the screen. Doubt a Democratic strategist would get the same treatment if they wanted to put the state-by-state polls showing Obama ahead in Iowa, CO, NM, PA, NH, etc...
June 25, 2008, 9:05:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
That's not the electoral map, no, olby.
That was Rove's map. It was a map of 2004.
June 25, 2008, 9:06:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well, since you're not spoiling the lad's fun, Haggis, perhaps you'll also pretend to understand the difference between your conjecture about what O'Reilly doesn't cover on his show tonight, and O'Reilly's feelings about that issue...
That would save everyone's fun...
June 25, 2008, 9:09:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
thinknoprogress is off topic, patsy.
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 9:09 pm |
But I wasn't talking about think progress....Here try CNN
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200806251522DOWJONESDJONLINE000725_FORTUNE5.htm
June 25, 2008, 9:09:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Johnny, I'm curious, do you agree with Fox News' decision to dishonestly label Amanda Carpenter as quote an "internet expert".
Straight from the newshouds. LOL!
June 25, 2008, 9:09:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
Seems like the day got off to a rough start with the Eric's Dobson fiasco and has been going downhill for Eric and his friends ever since. You must be watching another discussion on another site.
June 25, 2008, 9:09:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
'It is the above which I am saying that many people of you social sphere confuse with civil debating."
What do you know about my "social sphere".Do you follow me to the "Secular Progressive Clubhouse" and eavesdrop on the conversation.You are welcome to include any chat rooms or blogs in your "social circle",but why must you assume that I do.I'm not a youngster,(Thus my lack of knowledge of Bubbabonics terms like pwned or dogged).Most communication is non-verbal,which is entirely missing in on-line communication.Thus my social circle consists of people I can see and touch.
June 25, 2008, 9:10:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Thus my social circle consists of people I can see and touch.
notveryhow | 06.25.08 - 9:15 pm | #
We know all about donquixotesrocket.
June 25, 2008, 9:12:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH,
I have just notice that you hang out in the NH echo chamber and you seem to fit in nicely. I suspect those are the sorts of people that you pal around with. Am I certain of that? no. But I am fairly sure.
June 25, 2008, 9:13:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Also the fact that those people are the sort you pal with explains why none of your social crowd watch H&C when a lot of American do,
June 25, 2008, 9:14:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
danny, don't kid yourself. The libs watch Fox.
June 25, 2008, 9:15:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
H&C when a lot of American do,
danny | 06.25.08 - 9:19 pm |
An absolute minuscule % watch by population.
June 25, 2008, 9:16:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
HF,
They'll take it since they generally win their time period.
June 25, 2008, 9:17:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
An absolute minuscule % watch by population.
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 9:21 pm | #
So what? YOU find it necessary to be here...
June 25, 2008, 9:17:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
danny | 06.25.08 - 9:19 pm |
i don't much care about ratings and such,but can you tell me what percentage of Americans watch H&C.And don't tell me "More than watch CNN",that is not what I asked.
June 25, 2008, 9:18:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OS,
That's true. We know Eric does as does Ellen Brodsky. Ellen is also nice enough to post Fox segments in case you miss them. Me . . . I prefer to go to the Fox News site.
June 25, 2008, 9:19:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Most communication is non-verbal,which is entirely missing in on-line communication.Thus my social circle consists of people I can see and touch.
notveryhow | 06.25.08 - 9:15 pm | #
And this pertains to online comment chatting how?
I hope your social circle doesn't mind you touching them...
June 25, 2008, 9:20:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
An absolute minuscule % watch by population.
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 9:21 pm | #
What % are watching orangy, patsy? Less than minuscule.
June 25, 2008, 9:20:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
i don't much care about ratings and such,but can you tell me what percentage of Americans watch H&C.
notveryhow | 06.25.08 - 9:23 pm | #
I watch H&C. That makes me far more knowledgeable about the program than the NHs or anyone else who doesn't watch it.
June 25, 2008, 9:21:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH,
Sorry, I am too lazy to do those calculations. I made no assertions that I need to prove by doing that.
June 25, 2008, 9:22:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
what percentage of Americans watch H&C.
notveryhow | 06.25.08 - 9:23 pm |
About 0.4-0.5% of Americans watch
June 25, 2008, 9:25:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
This is what cracks me up about Fox News fans. America is a nation of 300 million + people.
300 million.
And Fox has a daily audience of what? 1 to 2 1/2 million?
Less than 1% of the population? And all of a sudden Fox News therefore must appeal to America? LoL. Yeah right.
Fox New's audience is overwhelmingly Republican and therefore irrelevant. If most Americans took Fox News serious than Obama would be losing to McCain in the polls by 30 points, because Fox's coverage of Obama has been hysterically negative.
June 25, 2008, 9:25:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Fox's coverage of Obama has been hysterically negative.
Eric | 06.25.08 - 9:30 pm | #
Absolutely, provably false. As is anything that you write. See my 7:25, Eric.
June 25, 2008, 9:27:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Fox New's audience is overwhelmingly Republican
Please provide your survey data (by a reputable source) to support that assertion.
June 25, 2008, 9:27:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"Less than 1% of the population? And all of a sudden Fox News therefore must appeal to America? LoL. Yeah right."
This is an old, tired and very weak argument.
June 25, 2008, 9:28:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 9:33 pm |
Only problem it's true
June 25, 2008, 9:29:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
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June 25, 2008, 9:30:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Only problem it's true
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 9:34 pm | #
What % is watching your beloved orange faced liar, patsy? C'mon, tell us.
June 25, 2008, 9:30:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Thought you'd have those numbers at your fingertips.I was just curious what you consider "a lot of Americans".
Subject change.I heard Tony Perkins use the term "Orthodox Christians" FIVE times on AC360 last night when discussing Obama."Orthodox" Christians has always meant Eastern, Greek or Russian Orthodox churches.Is this going to be a name change from Evangelical or Fundamentalist.I've never heard the term "Orthodox Christian" before.
June 25, 2008, 9:31:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
nvh, you spending time at "Secular Progressive Clubhouse"?
Goodness no! When it comes to your imparting importance to those you can't see or touch... the confusion lies that it seems to be .... us....
June 25, 2008, 9:31:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
"Please provide your survey data (by a reputable source) to support that assertion."
LOL. You're a conservative. You live in a fairy tale world where the entire media is liberal. Therefore, your only reputable source is FOX NEWS.
And Fox isn't exactly going to put polls illustrating their own audience's one-sidedness, now are they?
http://thehill.com/mark-mellman/hounding-fox-news-coverage-2007-03-20.html
88% of Fox's audience was Republican. Not surprising, considering Hume's coverage was thoroughly ridiculed afterwards as the single most biased coverage by any outlet during the 04' campaign.
June 25, 2008, 9:33:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
What % is watching your beloved orange faced liar, patsy? C'mon, tell us.
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 9:35 pm |
Same old stuff from OS when facts hit him/her in the face.
June 25, 2008, 9:33:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
What % is watching your beloved orange faced liar, patsy? C'mon, tell us.
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 9:35 pm |
Still waiting for a %, patsy. Tell us. Jus another olbyloon diversion?
June 25, 2008, 9:35:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Eric, so the standard is that numbers count when they suit you?
June 25, 2008, 9:36:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Eric | 06.25.08 - 9:38 pm | #
You direct us to an article called "hounding Fox News Coverage" as your source? An anti-FNC Mark Mellman, a democratic pollster? I hope you have better than that to bring to the table.
June 25, 2008, 9:38:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 9:40 pm |
I'm surprised J$ tolerates your mad ravings.....Your only salvation, in his eyes, is your blinding hatred of Keith.
June 25, 2008, 9:39:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Cecelia | 06.25.08 - 9:36 pm |
And I know you just live for my clever wit and stunning logic,not to mention my ability to pee names in the snow.
June 25, 2008, 9:40:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Hume's coverage was thoroughly ridiculed afterwards as the single most biased coverage by any outlet during the 04' campaign.
Eric | 06.25.08 - 9:38 pm | #
Of the cable news networks, Hume was demonstrably the least biased. 2 channels literally wept. One channel was dry and factual about numbers. You decide.
June 25, 2008, 9:41:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I'm surprised J$ tolerates your mad ravings.....Your only salvation, in his eyes, is your blinding hatred of Keith.
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 9:44 pm | #
No % of people watching olbermahn? Shocker!
June 25, 2008, 9:42:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
nvh, "orthodox Christians" may now mean those believers who don't think HIV is a govt. conspiracy.
June 25, 2008, 9:43:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
nvh, is peeing your name in the snow really a talent? I'm pretty sure 50% of the human race can do it.
June 25, 2008, 9:43:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
what percentage of Americans watch H&C.
notveryhow | 06.25.08 - 9:23 pm |
About 0.4-0.5% of Americans watch
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 9:30 pm | #
This is what you claimed, dp. What % watch your beloved orange faced liar?
June 25, 2008, 9:44:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Keith has hit it out of the park tonight with WPitW
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#25379800
June 25, 2008, 9:45:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php?nid
That wasn't hard.Although this is an academic source.And we all know about those pointy headed liberal professors.
June 25, 2008, 9:45:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
You can ask all you want, OS. They won't answer out of seer embarrassment.
June 25, 2008, 9:45:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Eric,
How about something from someone who is reputable? Don't give me stuff that has been recycled through a Democratic propagandist. Give me something directly from Neilsen or Arbitron or maybe even Gallup or Rasmussen might have some applicable data.
June 25, 2008, 9:45:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
And I know you just live for my clever wit and stunning logic,not to mention my ability to pee names in the snow.
notveryhow | 06.25.08 - 9:45 pm | #
Nope. Though maybe you should explain how the handwriting in the snow seems to be OTM's...
June 25, 2008, 9:46:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Cecelia | 06.25.08 - 9:48 pm |
Thanx for the serious answer.
June 25, 2008, 9:46:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
That wasn't hard.Although this is an academic source.And we all know about those pointy headed liberal professors.
notveryhow | 06.25.08 - 9:50 pm | #
You just cited the same exact poll Eric did. By the democratic pollster, Mark Mellman.
Fail.
June 25, 2008, 9:47:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Keith has hit it out of the park tonight with WPitW
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036...36677/ #25379800
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 9:50 pm | #
And dp comes through with his 10th olbyloon diverson of the day. Thanks, dp!
June 25, 2008, 9:47:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Cecelia | 06.25.08 - 9:51 pm |
Is your memory going,dear.
June 25, 2008, 9:47:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
nvh, same poll, different link. Let's see something NOT put out by democratic pollster, Mark Mellman.
June 25, 2008, 9:48:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Nope. Though maybe you should explain how the handwriting in the snow seems to be OTM's...
Cecelia | 06.25.08 - 9:51 pm | #
Whoa! Didn't see that one coming. LOL!
June 25, 2008, 9:48:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
LOL, they still might be two people but only one doing the writing!
June 25, 2008, 9:49:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Sorry OTM and nvh, that one just presented itself...
June 25, 2008, 9:50:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Is your memory going,dear.
notveryhow | 06.25.08 - 9:52 pm | #
Unfortunately for you, she is crisp and fresh in that area. The rest I can't speak for.
June 25, 2008, 9:50:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
FF, evidently he needs a guiding hand.
June 25, 2008, 9:50:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Haggis your 9:45 post was a little off topic, don't you think. Why don't you post it at NH? They would lap it up there. I mean literally. They lap that stuff up all the time there.
Regarding Orthodox Christianity: It might be interesting to engage in a theological discussion of what that means. But what does that have to do with cable news?
June 25, 2008, 9:51:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"Haggis your 9:45 post was a little off topic, don't you think. Why don't you post it at NH?"
He already did.......under a diff name.
June 25, 2008, 9:52:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Fox Fan | 06.25.08 - 9:52 pm |
Let me explain this s l o w l y.Mark Mellman is NOT the pollster.He drew the poll from the cited source at the University of Maryland.They are the source of the poll.
June 25, 2008, 9:53:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Fox Fan | 06.25.08 - 9:54 pm | #
Cecelia | 06.25.08 - 9:55 pm | #
danny | 06.25.08 - 9:56 pm | #
This is going into the gutter fast. I like it!
June 25, 2008, 9:54:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Keith get about 0.35-0.4% by population...Happy now OS
June 25, 2008, 9:54:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
nvh and Eric, your "poll" is nothing more than left-blog fodder. Proof:
http://www.frankenlies.com/lies/foxnewsstudy.htm
June 25, 2008, 9:57:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Regarding Orthodox Christianity: It might be interesting to engage in a theological discussion of what that means. But what does that have to do with cable news?
danny | 06.25.08 - 9:56 pm |
Heard it on AC360 from Tony Perkins (FRC).Is this a new definition to replace "Evangelical" or "Fundamentalist".Brand burnout or attempting to cast a wider net?
June 25, 2008, 9:57:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ashley
So, Obama & company are now booking guests at CNN. I wonder, did MSNBC give them permission to do that?
June 25, 2008, 9:57:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I'm sure they did, ashley.
June 25, 2008, 9:59:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Heard it on AC360 from Tony Perkins (FRC).Is this a new definition to replace "Evangelical" or "Fundamentalist".Brand burnout or attempting to cast a wider net?
notveryhow | 06.25.08 - 10:02 pm | #
Or those who don't think the U.S.A. wants to kill people of color...
June 25, 2008, 9:59:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
First of all, it was the demo pollster who picked the poll.
Secondly, to say that it was done by University of Maryland does not tell me much. Was this done by a bunch of students in an undergraduate class? How big was the sample? What sampling techniques did they use? Is the poll written up in a peer reviewed journal? Where do I find that?
It is certain that the poll was not done by professionals who specialize in that kind of research. Also it appears that whoever did the poll already had their minds made up about such things as whether Iraq had anything to do with al qaeda, and the subject was not even debatable to those doing the poll. That is very suspicious. Does not show objectivity.
I would rather trust a poll done by professional research specialist. I know Neilsen has some data that is applicable. Show me that.
June 25, 2008, 10:03:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Not to mention that the poll was a complete lie. See my link above. Didn't stop the lefty blogs and the lefty media from picking it up and making it "legit". Hope nobody has to look that up in a slang dictionary.
June 25, 2008, 10:05:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
danny | 06.25.08 - 10:08 pm |
Why don't you go to the cited link and do some reading.There is a section on methodology,and just heaping gobs of other information.
June 25, 2008, 10:05:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Fox New's audience is overwhelmingly Republican
Another lie. According to the very latest serveys from the PEJ: Fox's audience: 38% Republican, 31% Democratic, 22% Independent.
http://stateofthemedia.org/2008/narrative_cabletv_audience.php?cat=2&media=7
June 25, 2008, 10:05:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.25.08 - 10:10 pm | #
The hammer comes down yet again on the fragile web of lies perpetuated by Fox haters.
June 25, 2008, 10:07:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
How much you want to bet that none of that 31% are NH PbDs?
June 25, 2008, 10:08:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
FF and J dollar :
great posts!!
June 25, 2008, 10:09:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> 88% of Fox's audience was Republican.
Another lie. The "study" (not a survey) done by liberal strategist Mehlman is not only multiple years old, it also is done with an unheard-of firm that doesn't even do political polling. The methodology (which involves manipulation of Nielsen rating data) has never been made public. The only "finding" from the survey was the one Mehlman put out himself, in arguing for the failed "boycott" of Fox.
In other words, this is no evidence at all, the sort of garbage Fox haters spew and repeat on call.
Compare that with the PEJ survey, recognized by the industry as the definitive study of the media, conducted each year by professional pollsters with the methodology and results all made public every year. As the results I quoted above show, Fox's audience is roughly 1/3 Democrats. Add in the independents and Fox's audience is mostly not Republicans at all.
That's a real survey, up to date and verified.
June 25, 2008, 10:12:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I predict crickets in response to that, johnny.
June 25, 2008, 10:14:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Monor point,but the above cited poll said that 88% of Fox viewers supported Bush in 2004, not that they were Republicns.
June 25, 2008, 10:16:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Monor point,but the above cited poll said that 88% of Fox viewers supported Bush in 2004, not that they were Republicns.
It could say 88% of "Fox viewers" (regular, occasional, once a month, 8 hours a day? Just that claim alone shows the unprofessional nature of this pseudo-"poll") eat squash. It wouldn't mean a damn thing, because it's not a scientific poll, the people who did it have no credentials, the only public release of information was from partisan operative Mehlman trying to justify a boycott of Fox. And even this dubious data is now nearly five years out of date.
There is no question that the PEJ survey is the gold standard in media analysis. Anyone who would cite Mehlman's bogus "findings" is simply spreading hack talking points.
June 25, 2008, 10:19:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH,
Without good methodology the poll is worthless. That minor point really doesn't matter.
FF
No embarrassment because they used such a phony poll. No thank you for providing accurate information. None of this coming from Fox Haters.
How strange.
June 25, 2008, 10:20:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
88% of Fox's audience was Republican.
Eric | 06.25.08 - 9:38 pm | #
You can take that one up with Eric, nvh.
June 25, 2008, 10:20:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Eric begins the day with one fiasco and ends it with an even bigger fiasco. Eric's had a rough day.
June 25, 2008, 10:22:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Have no pity. He brought it upon himself.
nvh, notice that you're battling Eric now on the poll claims?
June 25, 2008, 10:24:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Yeah Eric said that 88% of the audience was Republican . . . not supporters of Bush.
I know the bogus poll did not even say that, but Eric did.
June 25, 2008, 10:29:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
So we can expect to hear nothing from the "Program on International Policy Attitudes",the "University of Maryland"or "Knowledge Networks".What are your qualifications to deride the methodology of this survey?I'm not saying you're wrong,just wondering how much salt I need to take with your opinion.
Yes,it was not a poll in the traditional sense,but specifically what grounds do you object to the way the study was formulated.
June 25, 2008, 10:32:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Gee, looks like nobody wants to back up that poll anymore. Eric? nvh? HF? Where are you???
June 25, 2008, 10:37:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Please try to pay attention. Your UofMaryland poll is not the bogus "survey" cited by Eric. That bogus survey was about audience levels of Fox being 88% Republican, or 88% Bush voters. Your poll is about a completely different, and I might add wholly irrelevant, subject. So please don't clog up these threads with irrelevancies. They are clogged up enough already and I'm seriously thinking of installing a limit on comments per person over a given time period.
June 25, 2008, 10:37:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Oh good, nvh decided to man up.
"it was not a poll in the traditional sense"-nvh
June 25, 2008, 10:38:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
I apologize.Mr Mehlamn had cited the U of Md poll about misconceptions of media viewers about the Iraq War,and that poll stands.I did not read carefully enough to see that Mr Mehlman was citing two different polls.
Mea culpa.
well,my wife's going to brain me.I will trouble you no more.
June 25, 2008, 10:50:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
We can only hope, nvh...
(Don't you think the News Hounds need you...)
June 25, 2008, 10:59:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"Yes,it was not a poll in the traditional sense"
Typical back pedal.....
June 25, 2008, 11:09:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
well,my wife's going to brain me.I will trouble you no more.
notveryhow | 06.25.08 - 10:55 pm | #
Yet another lie. We all know that most wives don't "brain". That's one reason why I keep a girlfriend instead of having a wife.
June 25, 2008, 11:11:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
About 0.4-0.5% of Americans watch H&C
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 9:30 pm | #
Keith get about 0.35-0.4% by population...Happy now OS
HaggisFarmer | 06.25.08 - 9:59 pm | #
Which orafice did these #'s come from?
June 25, 2008, 11:15:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
well,my wife's going to brain me.I will trouble you no more.
notveryhow | 06.25.08 - 10:55 pm | #
Don, philby or otm? Maybe rudy?
June 25, 2008, 11:17:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Thank you guys.
You've nailed Ingraham's tactics down cold.
"What if..."
"What if..."
"What if..."
"If... if... if..."
and "Gokkun" Hannity's:
"Wouldn't you agree..."
Average American Patriot | 06.25.08 - 10:49 pm | #
Einstein, he's not.....He must have forgotten she smoked the drooler an the wolfman combined in ratings.
June 25, 2008, 11:53:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I'm seriously thinking of installing a limit on comments per person over a given time period.
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That is an excellent idea! We would tend to attract serious commenters and weed out the personal vituperative. Can you start today? Just joking about the latter .... I know your tied up.
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Thanks, HaggisFarmer. We all need to be reminded that cable news is a rarified environment with few inhabitants. We tend to lose that perspective.
June 26, 2008, 7:52:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
your = you're
June 26, 2008, 8:03:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
That is an excellent idea!
by donquixotesrocket
Deja vu of ow registration.
June 26, 2008, 10:58:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply
