Weekend Links & Open Thread
Latest cable news links [updated through the weekend]:
Hating Fox: the new world sport?
Sunday talkers: roundup.
Jenna Lee does Fox & Friends Sunday (via FTVLive). Coiffure concerns?
HuffPo: a "vortex of vacuity"?
Fareed Zakaria assessment.
Keith scrambles, prepares another special comment. Olbermann oversight?
Coop denigrates Africa (via SoupCans)? flashback.
Cable news winners and losers.
Alan's hate mail.
Big news: there's a "feud"! Chickaboomer reacts.
FNC is in dire straits: they're #1.
Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in this weekend's open thread. Standard rules apply. fox news cable news
notveryhow
This from the NYT piece:
"...a pillar of Foxs strategy, at least in the weeks since Mr. Obama vanquished Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, has been to bash him relentlessly."
The gist of this article seems to be,Fox is No 1,but rapidly losing ground.It may be that Mr Murdoch is regretting his decision to identify Fox so closely with the Republican party.As the party's prospects decline,so does his network.
Of course,he(and Fox) will probably just hunker down, try to hold the audience he has,and just become the (dis)loyal opposition.
June 28, 2008, 8:55:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Mr Murdoch is regretting his decision to identify Fox so closely with the Republican party.
by nvh/otm/dqr
Link, please.
June 28, 2008, 10:56:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
NYT publishes an article about how FNC is losing ground. Who's hiring, and who's firing? The NYT is the journalistic LOSER of last year.
These people are off the charts hypocrites, partisan liars, and their writers aren't even good anymore.
Every time I go into a Starbucks, I with they would take the NYT out of the top racks of all their stands. It makes me question Starbuck's values.
June 28, 2008, 11:40:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
NYT stock has plummeted. Lay-offs at all time high. Subscriptions at all time low. Next?
June 28, 2008, 2:57:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
They even shrunk the size of the physical paper to cut costs.
I consider it to be implausible and almost tabloid because of its blatant bias.
June 28, 2008, 4:02:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Check the comments in the "feud" link. It's an Olby bash fest!
June 28, 2008, 4:14:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
There was a poster once known as "why don't you think," among many others, who used to refer to the nyt as "the paper of record." Or was it aap? Can't remember. I do remember I used to get a good laugh.
June 28, 2008, 5:49:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
puck30
New York Times in mass layoffs, but FNC is the one going down the tubes.
Olby is gaining and O'Reilly is losing.
How long have we heard this?
Okay, maybe a lot of people went to CNN for political coverage. But one place they didn't go to was MSKOS.
Speaking of Olby, Thanks for the heads up Monday. I'm sure after you're posting at Kos there are a few of your basement dweller fans that are sitting in front of their tv sets right now!
I think thats the same Demo that hangs out in front of theatres for six months so they can be the first in line for the next Star Wars movie.
June 28, 2008, 7:09:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Too bad you have to be a member to click on anything at ftlive. Jenna Lee, yum-o!
June 29, 2008, 9:51:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Missy
Jenna Lee certainly seemed like a more appropriate member of the F & F cast.
June 29, 2008, 12:12:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Guest
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June 29, 2008, 5:04:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Anonymous | 06.29.08 - 5:09 pm |
The HaggisFarmer wrote ^^^above^^^.
June 29, 2008, 5:05:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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Anonymous | 06.29.08 - 5:09 pm |
Ok, I'll try again without the link...Never noticed J$ had already posted it...Sorry
What segment (tomorrow) will Bill use to smear Nas?....We already know how thin skinned Bill....He'll have to say something
June 29, 2008, 5:15:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Keith did a top job (as usual) the other night, naming Hannity WPitW....Even McCain would have be embarrassed by the speed of Hannitys flip-floppery...All of 2min :lol:
June 29, 2008, 5:25:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
An olbyloon claiming Bill O'Reilly, #1 for 90 [consecutive] months, smears. Oh, the irony!
June 29, 2008, 5:32:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.29.08 - 5:37 pm |
OS....Just for once please try and contribute....Instead of the usual wise cracks.
June 29, 2008, 5:34:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Fox Is Getting A Bad "Rap"
Reported by Priscilla - Sun 3:49 PM
Dp, you really should get your "news" from a more relible source. Those women at the dog pound will get you in trouble every time.
June 29, 2008, 5:37:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
reliable, sorry bout the typo.
June 29, 2008, 5:38:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.29.08 - 5:42 pm |
I got the story from the same place J$ did...OS jumping to conclusions yet again.
June 29, 2008, 5:39:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
anon
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June 29, 2008, 5:39:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
OS....Just for once please try and contribute....Instead of the usual wise cracks.
HaggisFarmer | 06.29.08 - 5:39 pm | #
OS, you are dumber than dirt
faux sucks | Homepage | 06.29.08 - 5:44 pm | #
Hypocrite of the day goes to dp!
June 29, 2008, 5:49:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
I see F&F were at it gain this morning....Every opportunity they get they bring up the Obama is a Muslim smear...Quickly adding: "we know its not true and he's a practising Christian"....If they know it's not true why bring it up all the time.
June 29, 2008, 5:54:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Hypocrite of the day goes to dp!
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.29.08 - 5:54 pm |
Please...Please....Never become a detective.
June 29, 2008, 6:02:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Please...Please....Never become a detective.
HaggisFarmer | 06.29.08 - 6:07 pm | #
Don't need to be one. Plain as day.
June 29, 2008, 6:04:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Don't need to be one. Plain as day.
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.29.08 - 6:09 pm |
Thanks for the insight into the workings of the Right Wing brain.
June 29, 2008, 6:10:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Every opportunity they get they bring up the Obama is a Muslim smear
Is this another one of your lies that you are using to "test" readers of this site? Like you did with O'Reilly? Be careful that you do not start to become a thread hog as I have been asked to institute some restrictions on people who try to take over the thread with things like "tests".
June 29, 2008, 6:13:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.29.08 - 6:18 pm |
No tests...This happened today.
June 29, 2008, 6:15:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
one of your lies
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.29.08 - 6:18 pm |
I object to the term "one of your lies"
How can you say this without checking the facts?
June 29, 2008, 6:22:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I object to the term "one of your lies"
How can you say this without checking the facts?
HaggisFarmer | 06.29.08 - 6:27 pm | #
With a track record like yours? LOL!
June 29, 2008, 6:25:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
There was a poster once known as "why don't you think," among many others, who used to refer to the nyt as "the paper of record." Or was it aap? Can't remember. I do remember I used to get a good laugh.
June 29, 2008, 6:27:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> I object to the term "one of your lies"
How can you say this without checking the facts?
Because you've pulled this before, so your track record is such that you are not believable. Why don't you pin this down and tell us exactly what you are talking about it and where you heard it. I don't like people smearing others without facts, and I want to make sure you're not doing it again.
June 29, 2008, 6:28:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I do think "lie" is used much too easily around here, by a wide range of people on a wide range of topics. The use of "lie" or some form of the word tends to say more about the poster than the subject. I can see little reason for its use.
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And, HF, don't worry too much about McCain's embarassment. No one takes Hannity all that seriously.
I do have to hand it to Olbermann. I saw the clip and Hannity did do one of the world's fastest 180 degrees. For all his many, many faults, I thought Olbermann highlighted that beautifully and deserves a kudo or two. Ever get the impression Hannity is none too bright?
June 29, 2008, 6:29:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.29.08 - 6:30 pm |
One miss hearing="a track record like yours"
So going by olby sucks rules....Every word that comes out of O'Reillys mouth is hogwash...Going by his track record.
June 29, 2008, 6:31:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.29.08 - 6:33 pm
On F&F this morning they were talking about folk using the middle name "Hussein" on their myspace account to show support for Obama...During this segment the Muslim smear came up...But they quickly added we know this is not true...My question...Why bring it up if they know it's not true?
June 29, 2008, 6:37:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Hold the presses Rapper Nas disses FoxNews on his new CD. I am sure management is quaking at the prospect of losing his gangsta posse.
June 29, 2008, 6:41:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Oh, you mean referring to the NY Times piece about this, that mentioned the Obama "Muslim" angle eight times? Since that is roughly four times more than F&F you really should address your question to the NY Times, since it was their story that made it onto F&F this morning. And your painting it as something generated by F&F is another bit of dishonesty, if I'm any judge.
Now I suggest you start to moderate the numbers of posts you make over a given time period. I am involved with family stuff for a few more days and I won't have the time or patience to deal with thread hogs in any but the most heavy handed fashion.
June 29, 2008, 6:42:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Ever get the impression Hannity is none too bright?
On The Mark | 06.29.08 - 6:34 pm |
It has crossed my mind...Especially when he has to read his notes to remember his talking points....The ones he has used every night for the past couple of years....I'd have thought he might have memorised them by now.
June 29, 2008, 6:43:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Watching the rebroadcast of Wallace (Panel segment) and Hume just made this passionate argument, in essence, it is fine for McCain to flip-flop, but not Obama, because McCain has a longer record and people know him better. That was so transparent Wallace couldn't let it slide.
Then, the Le Roi Retractor Kristol (speaking of the NYT) comes on and says Senator Obama's next flip flop will be on the war and he will visit Iraq, returning to announce that he is not in favor of immediate withdrawal. Facts, Leroy: Obama has not been arguing for an immediate withdrawal.
Well, some things enever change.
June 29, 2008, 6:47:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Hume just made this passionate argument, in essence, it is fine for McCain to flip-flop, but not Obama, because McCain has a longer record and people know him better. That was so transparent Wallace couldn't let it slide.
Of course this is also untrue. It wasn't Hume who made that argument, and got questioned by Wallace. It was Mara Liason.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06/ed_rendell_rob_portman_bob_bar.html
> Well, some things enever change.
Indeed.
June 29, 2008, 6:56:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
[sorry I asked you to moderate your posts, but you are treating this comment thread like it was your personal blog, throwing out one thing after another and not even taking a breath when you've been asked to slow down the pace a bit. This isn't your personal comment thread, it ain't your blog, and it ain't your personal "daily links" bulletin board. I don't have time tonight to deal with it so you are going to Exile Island until some time tomorrow when I'll check in and give you your ticket back. I asked nicely, but you didn't want to play nice. Sorry. I'll see you tomorrow.]
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June 29, 2008, 6:57:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ashley
Facts, Leroy: Obama has not been arguing for an immediate withdrawal.
On The Mark | 06.29.08 - 6:52 pm |
Facts - he was, till he flip-flopped.
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Sep/12/br/br6275409318.html
Wednesday, September 12, 2007
Headline -
"Obama calls for immediate withdrawal from Iraq"
June 29, 2008, 6:58:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
OTM and HF, well, some things never change, like your droning posts day after day for no apparent reason other than to hog space on this board. ZZZZZZZZ
June 29, 2008, 7:00:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ashley
So this idiot NAS hates Fox News,Bill O'Reilly, and NBC because the of To Catch a Predator Show, as NAS says, they "set-up" child predators.
Hmmmm - he hates the people who goes after child predators, and he hates BOR who goes after child predators too and fights for tougher laws against them.
Maybe its just me, but I realllllllyyyy have to question those who appear to be on the side of child predators.
June 29, 2008, 7:08:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Do patsy and philby ever tire of embarrasing themselves? Guess not.
June 29, 2008, 7:10:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I suppose as your attention has been otherwise required, you missed this, Johnny, as well as the actual broadcast:
HUME: Obama is a guy, unlike McCain, who hasn't made a lot of compromises. So these changes that he's -- these shifts he's undergoing are remarkable.
Then Wallace says:
WALLACE: And the one point I disagree with with Brit, some of them are recent -- for instance, drilling. He has flipped on that in just the last couple of weeks.
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Ashley:
Anything more recent than a year ago? The primary rather evidenced a change didn't it, a realization that an orderly withdrawal of the troops, which even Bush said would have started by now, was not possible? Leroy seems to agree with this:
KRISTOL: Voters tend not to blame candidates if they adjust their views, A, based on a plausible notion that circumstances have changed.
Let's all try to deal with what was said and not what we would have liked our respective heroes to have said.
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I won't go into the gun ruling discussion other than to say Hume resorted to canards there. "When guns are illegal ...." This was not a very good day for Hume. A bit weary, perhaps.
June 29, 2008, 7:12:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Do patsy and philby ever tire of embarrasing themselves? Guess not.
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.29.08 - 7:15 pm | #
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O, the irony! Shocker, Royal King!
June 29, 2008, 7:14:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
What do you expect from the likes of clowns like Nas and Akon. I would be horrified if they praised FoxNews. Getting slammed by them is kind of like getting the gold as "WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD".
June 29, 2008, 7:16:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Thanks, donquixotsrocket! I noticed you haven't made a post under that name at nwshounds since I exposed you. Shocker!
June 29, 2008, 7:16:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Hume just made this passionate argument, in essence, it is fine for McCain to flip-flop, but not Obama, because McCain has a longer record and people know him better. That was so transparent Wallace couldn't let it slide.
LIASSON: Look, one of the reasons he can do this is because he's a blank slate and he's fairly new. One of the downsides of that is when you are a blank slate, you are open to being defined by your opponent if you can't define yourself satisfactorily to voters before he does that.
WALLACE: But, Mara, don't you think if the main point, the main theme, of his campaign is I'm not another politician, when he's caught doing things that seem to be just another politician, isn't that more hurtful to him than it might be to someone else?
Hume didn't talk about a longer record and people know him better. Mara Liasson did. And you wrongly attributed Mara's comment to Hume. Q.E.D.
June 29, 2008, 7:18:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ashley
OTM - I'm sure there are more things recent than a year ago, I found that article in about 2 seconds, but its so comical because I'm hearing complaints about McCain flip flopping about a speech he gave against off shore drilling 8 years ago.
If you want to find BO flip flopping of a more recent nature than one year, listen to what he says tomorrow, then listen again in a few days and you'll hear the flip flop.
By the way, does BO still want the US to invade Pakistan, or has he flip flopped on that too? He was totally for public financing of presidential campaigns, now he's not, he was for marijuana legalization before he was against it, FISA, beautiful FISA, and the adventure continues.....
June 29, 2008, 7:22:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
ashley, obama has flip-flopped 3 times in 2 weeks. All on major issues. Olbermahn has been in high gear apology mode. LOL!
June 29, 2008, 7:24:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Not to mention he has disowned and thrown under th bus most of his famiy members and close friends. LOL!
June 29, 2008, 7:26:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ashley
Olby sucks | Homepage | 06.29.08 - 7:29 pm | #
It's hysterical. Olby proved to the left exactly how much of a tool he is for Obama. He's a clown and every day, more of the world sees that to be so.
June 29, 2008, 7:27:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
My dear, Johnny, that is your point, it is not my point. I documented my point from me recollection of the segment, then immediately concluded and from the RCP you linked. My point is fully supported.
I'm not sure what your point is, but I assume it is Liasson's point, since you cite her, that Senator Obama has the risk of being defined by a wide variety of matters.
And no, I did not attribute Liasson's comment to Hume. You merely said I did. RIL.
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Sorry to disappoint, Royal King, but I don't believe I posted any comment at NH since very early in the Spring, and I always posted as On the Mark. I would tend to know (and you might not due to this vast void of knowledge at your fingertips) since NH and J$P both use HaloScan. OTM comes up whenever I have tried to comment at NH. Never tire of being wrong.
June 29, 2008, 7:28:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Fact is, Ashley, I am little concerned with legitimate changes in opinion. It shows growth and character, a lesson many, many recent posters could learn, and I am as little concerned about McCain's changes on energy, immmigration, torture, etc., as I am about Senator Obama's on Iraq. In fact, for both men, I believe "refinement" might be a more appropriate term.
June 29, 2008, 7:31:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ashley
"This was not a very good day for Hume. "
What? Every day is a good day for Hume. He obviously enjoys his job, Fox News obviously loves him, he probably makes a ton of dough doing his job, and he is crushing both CNN and MSBHO in the ratings, both total and in the prime demographic.
June 29, 2008, 7:32:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
OTM comes up whenever I have tried to comment at NH. Never tire of being wrong.
On The Mark | 06.29.08 - 7:33 pm | #
Okie dokie, don.
June 29, 2008, 7:33:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ashley
OTM, JM's changes on "immigration" has been on "illegal immigration". did you intentionally omit that word? How has he changed on torture? His change on energy comes when gas prices shoot through the roof. Situation changes and he changes. His answer to fix the problem is to drill, BO's solution is to tax. I choose drill.
June 29, 2008, 7:36:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Well, drilling will help, although we're not even drilling 50% of the leased capacity, now, for a good reason. If we were, we couldn't refine it. So, in 25 years or so, destruction and ANWR will give us a trickle of oil. Sounds to me like the drilling argument might be a shell game. One Leroy is bought and dispersed forcefully and frequently. I think it best to stick to the fact: Nothing, anyone can do right now will help in the least, save and except a consumer use reduction and perhaps a release from the Strategic Reserve. The latter, of course, would be short term and dangerous.
McCain and Clinton both proposed a gas tax holiday, something which the voters, at least by polling data had the good sense to reject. McCain's, as I recall, was to just stop the tax for 60-90 days, thereby marginally assisting gas guzzlers while jeopardizing public works projects and those employed in them, and Clinton's was for the oil companies to pay taxes for 60-90 days. That was rich, as if they wouldn't be passed onto consumers. Seems that on this point, Senator Obama is at least inteleectually honest.
As to the adjective, I should make too much of the word in this instance since McCain's position, originally, was amensty (despite refusing to use that word).
Now, if you will, we are far too off topic, and I promised not to do that. So, please excuse me if I don't respond to any more posts on these issues. They are vital issues, and they are fascinating. You argue them ably, and your arguments are useful and enjoyable to me. They're just off topic. Not a rule I made.
June 29, 2008, 7:54:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Joe Blow
ashley, otm thinks there is no such thing as "illegal" in regards to immigration and refuses to use the word as proven above. It makes one wonder.
June 29, 2008, 8:02:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
BTW, philby, the above was me. Just wanted to prove you wrong, again.
June 29, 2008, 8:03:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Thank you for your wholly superfluous comment, Royal King.
June 29, 2008, 8:09:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Nice backpedal, philby. No fun being debunked is it?
June 29, 2008, 8:11:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Never tire of being wrong.
On The Mark | 06.29.08 - 7:33 pm | #
At least you admit it....
June 29, 2008, 8:14:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Have a good evening, Jeff/Royal King/Republican Killa/Mr. Sucks, et al. Sweet delusions, and don't let the reality bug bite.
June 29, 2008, 8:15:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
See ya, Clay! LOL!
June 29, 2008, 8:16:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Seems that on this point, Senator Obama is at least inteleectually honest.
by dqr
Indeed. He has no plan.
June 29, 2008, 8:56:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
