Monday Links & Open Thread
Latest cable news links [8:33 pm]:
The Laura lowdown.
Olbermann's blog: we're gonna storm O'Reilly's house!
Gets: Scott McClellan tonight, John McCain tomorrow.
Friday's numbers.
Is CNN on a roll?
Video: great intellects at work.
Andrea apologizes.
Tax warrant revealed. Analysis.
CNN: Is Obama black?
Profile: Molly Henneberg (via ICN). Q&A: Coop (via TVN)
Perils of punditry.
Sunday roundup.
CNN spikes shirt sayings.
Hot & Not.
Another fan.
Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today' s open thread. fox news cable news
Mike C.
I'm several days late, but I predicted that Cablevision would readily add Planet Green once it launched while forgetting about FBN, and I was right. It was added the very day it was launched, Wednesday.
MSNBC primetime shows seem to be getting lots of demo wins lately. That must stop. :
June 9, 2008, 1:44:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
From Cablevision's press release:
"Cablevision continues to enhance our award-winning digital cable service through the addition of compelling programming from top cable networks and unique local content our competitors don't offer," said John Trierweiler, Cablevision's senior vice president of product management. "Planet Green is a welcome addition to iO TV, offering viewers an entertaining and informative look at the environment and the green living movement."
Your competitors offer channels that you don't, like FBN, ESPNU, Boomerang, and NFL Network. Those channels, especially FBN, would be welcome additions. But they don't listen to me. At the same time, I have no choice but to stick with them.
June 9, 2008, 1:52:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Here's the press release link, by the way:
http://cablevision.com/about/news/article.jsp?d=060408
Off to bed. Good night. To the trolls, have fun eventually infiltrating this thread.
June 9, 2008, 1:53:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
LGF found a PDF file on Obama's website that states that Obama plans to hold accountable any perpetrators of war crimes
Does anyone have contacts with Fox and could pass this information to them, so that Americans can be infomed what the Marxists are planning on doing if they do win?
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/30253_Obamas_Plan_for_Iraq-_Prosecute_War_Criminals#rss
June 9, 2008, 2:37:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Vince, are you telling me that Obama is going to hold the democrats accountable for treason?
Johnny, funny "another fan" link. They're suggesting that you're going to kidnap Murdoch and break his ankles with a sledgehammer! At least they gave your name as credit for the video, unlike *some sites*.
June 9, 2008, 7:10:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
"little green footballs"?We had them back in the 60's.They took them off the market.Too many people getting acquired Tourrettes.
hold accountable any perpetrators of war crimes
Should we have let the Iraqis handle Blackwater?
June 9, 2008, 7:22:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Speaking of the CNN message shirts...I saw a t-shirt with a message I really love-- the Jimmy Buffet line "What If The Hokey Pokey Is All It's Really About"
June 9, 2008, 8:59:15 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
7:27, is that the best you could come up with?
June 9, 2008, 10:15:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply
GrandpaD
Perils of Punditry - What if the public, distracted by opulence and laziness, seeks to outsource its judgment to those gracing the television sets?
Good line. "outsource its judgment". Much to common lately.
June 9, 2008, 12:00:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
What does the LGF link have to do with cable or cable news?
June 9, 2008, 12:35:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Mmm, I wonder who Mr. Brokaw was talking about....
"...but there was an awful lot of commentary disguised as reporting that gave the impression that people were trying to shove [Hillary] out of the race."
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hSB_D0aKwZZGIfxKlVbrLuDFNNvgD916ANO00
June 9, 2008, 12:55:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Actually we linked to that story yesterday.
June 9, 2008, 12:57:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Sorry, J$ there were so many interesting comments on the 6/7 thread I missed yesterday.
June 9, 2008, 12:59:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
That's OK. I just like to point out when we spot something before the "other" cable news sites do.
June 9, 2008, 1:22:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I have re-created the Topica discussion list that I created and deleted yesterday:
http://lists.topica.com/lists/CNDList
It's the Cable News Discussion List (CNDList) and I created it because I was frustrated with the constant troll interference, the off-topic tendencies, and the ideological corner taking.
June 9, 2008, 1:50:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Go figure: the day I restart an e-mail discussion list because of too many trolls, it's quiet here. It's a good thing for here, but defeats the purpose of starting my CNDList.
June 9, 2008, 3:16:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
A tremendous source of confusion in coverage of the primary election in the Democratic party was why was it Senator Clinton couldn't make the final push. Of course, we have seen sexism advanced, some vast left wing conspiracy, and while I don't think any of the cable news outlets advanced these theories, they were pleased to disperse them. A number of sources, including Politico, have picked up on the notion that:
#1 Clinton made a tactical blunder in not contesting caucus states. This is so true. Many state Democratic parties have a long tradition of caucus selection processes (as opposed to primaries). While I don't particularly like the caucus system, it does serve a unique purpose in building up the party is states where it is floundering. In Texas alone, Clinton barely won the primary (2/3 of the delegates allotted, a virtual even split), Obama won the caucauses by a much higher margin. Net advantage Obama. Yet, no one on cable news made a point of challenging the Clinton campaign's contention it had won Texas. CNN was closest in making Texas striped, light and dark blue.
#2 African Americans, initially overhwlemingly Clinton, drifted to Obama. Actually they surged. Yet, this mid-election change went largely unexplained.
Time has now advanced the notion, and backed up the idea that:
#3 Clinton did not accomplish what she should have done with women. Older women were overwhelmingly Clinton, while younger women were overwhelmingly Obama. Clinton should have picked up the middle generation 65-70%. Instead, she split it, disproportionately high in the Rust Belt, disproportionately low elsewhere, yet, overall, almost equal. This also goes uncovered. The conventional wisdom on cable news is simply Clinton won women.
Also, now accepted:
#4 Clinton planned to win by Super Tuesday, and there were no resources left after. Hence, the US +$20 Millon debt. This is more widely discussed and understood. As a manager, Clinton failed.
The problem, as I see it, is that cable news has these wonderful resources to cover these statistics and trends in detail, with much time to devote. Far better able to give all of this the coverage it deserves instead of broadcast news. Yet, it fails miserably. Across the board. Not just FNC, and not just MSNBC. CNN, the paragon of cable news failed as well. Shouldn't we be demanding more?
June 9, 2008, 5:33:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Aeris Gainsborough
Now let's recall that KO DOES NOT condone storming Bill O'Reilly's house, "Even Keith Olbermann gave me second worst person in the world for this stunt last year." However, I think for Mike Stark, after O'Reilly's Ambush people got embarassed it's time for Bill O'Reilly to "face the music" a second time, and Bill O'Reilly MUST Respond to Mike Stark, instead of Bill O'Reilly asking Mike Stark to "go away from the property".
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June 9, 2008, 6:38:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
Nice snipet from Olbermann's favorite blog. I seems the radical left is becoming giddy in victory.
June 9, 2008, 6:38:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Crash Chloride
Olbermann's blog: we're gonna storm O'Reilly's house!
Wow that is completely false, especially in light of Mr. Olbermann's stated opposition to this kind of tactic.
For the record I agree these intrusions into people's personal lives are wrong. Call them out in public, post to your hearts content but going to someone's house to confront them is wrong.
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June 9, 2008, 6:46:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Um, what exactly is false?
June 9, 2008, 6:46:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Crash Chloride
BTW Mr Olbermann does have a blog.
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June 9, 2008, 6:47:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Crash Chloride
Um, what exactly is false?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.09.08 - 6:51 pm |
That is not a post from Mr Olbermann's blog.
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June 9, 2008, 6:48:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
It certainly is. He blogs for the Daily Kos and that is a post from the Daily Kos.
June 9, 2008, 6:48:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Crash Chloride
No, that is Mr. Moulitsas' blog. Mr Olbermann's blog is on MSNBC and it is called the News Hole.
Tear that blog up if you like but don't mislead people
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June 9, 2008, 6:51:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Does Keith Olbermann blog there? Let's check the last six months. You tell me how many posts he's made at Kos and how many he's made at the News Hole.
FYI, News Hole is not Olbermann's blog. It's a blog for the show Countdown. I see nothing to indicate that Olby contributes one whit to it, though I could be wrong. I know the only place I see him actually writing blog entries is at the Daily Kos. That's where he blogs, and that's his blog.
I have spoken.
June 9, 2008, 6:54:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Crash Chloride
Olby
I have spoken.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.09.08 - 6:59 pm
I see you break your own TOS as well.
Not only have you spoken you have shown your true colors.
Speak away brother but be true and honest.
Now hurry and delete this before your regulars see you exposed for what you are.
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June 9, 2008, 6:57:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> I see you break your own TOS as well.
Now that is a personal attack on me and you will have to back it up or there will be consequences. So tell me what TOS I violated.
June 9, 2008, 6:59:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
I think the host here is accurate.
I have never seen any personal entry from Keith Olbermann at NEWS HOLE. In fact, he is referred to in the third person in any site entry and it seems the "blog" is really just a place to let people know what was on COUNTDOWN (and allow this fans to spew their compliments and "go gett'ums."
Now his kos entries (diaries and comments)....what classics! His true colors in all their radical lefitst goodness have been shown along side the anti-semites, Marxists, anti-religion extremists, environmental terrorist apologists and other nice people!
June 9, 2008, 7:10:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tony
Johnny $: As much as I want to puke when I see posts from people from the likes of Crash, john t, and genaral Goat, to name a few, I dont want them deleted or banned. Its good for the honest people on this board to see what hate filled dishonest people come over here from News Hounds. And that is all that the left has to offer, hate and lies.
June 9, 2008, 7:17:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Crash has nothing to fear on that score if he either 1. documents his attack against me, or 2. takes it back.
June 9, 2008, 7:22:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tony
We know that they can not back up their lies. Thats what makes it so much fun. But I think that I found a way to shut them up. Just ask them a direct question. It works every time!
June 9, 2008, 7:25:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
#2 African Americans, initially overhwlemingly Clinton, drifted to Obama. Actually they surged.
by otm,....
Shocker!
June 9, 2008, 7:43:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
It's amazing how much they whine about the truth , yet when they speak total deceptions everyone is just supposed to accept it.
June 9, 2008, 7:50:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Crash I'm waiting for your reply. Either back up your attack on me or take it back.
June 9, 2008, 8:20:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
What does TOS mean?
June 9, 2008, 9:16:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Johnny,
RK raised an interesting issue, and your viewership stats reminded me of it.
she called the 25-54 age group THE demographic.
Doesn't that kind of thinking harken back to an earlier day when there were three networks, so everyone tried to win the most profitable demographic?
However things have changed. There are today a huge number of tv alternatives. Niche markets are becoming more important. For example: The 54-70 market has wealth and it is not unimportant from an advertisers point of view.
Also, younger people generally do not read newspapers, listen to talk radio; or listen to nightly news programs. Advertisers shooting for a younger crowd probably would be looking for a different venue than a cable news show.
I just don't see the sense of speaking of the 25-74 age bracket as being THE demographic. Maybe someone can explain.
June 9, 2008, 9:22:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
make that 25-54
June 9, 2008, 9:23:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Cecelia
TOS means terms of service? I am not sure either.
June 9, 2008, 9:24:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Cecilia you are breaking my heart; you are shaking my confidence daily.
Sorry. I know that is off topic but I coudn't resist. Just be glad you can't hear me sing it.
June 9, 2008, 9:26:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
cecilia = cecelia
sorry
June 9, 2008, 9:28:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Yes, it does mean "Terms of Service."
I think Laura will end up signing with Citadel and her show will continue.
Tonight on "The Factor," BOR said something that his haters, including KO, may play gotcha with: he said that people should be angry and "Howard Beale-ish" with oil prices and what needs to stop the madness.
June 9, 2008, 9:29:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Mike C
Does he think that the problem is something other than supply and demand?
June 9, 2008, 9:31:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Mike C
I don't have a TV, so I did not listen to the show. I might watch the segment at FNC site if they decide to post the video.
June 9, 2008, 9:34:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
THE demo is less applicable to things like cable news and talk radio, because they are inherently not prime interests of the 25-54 crowd. Some advertisers still look for the demo, even on cable news, but others don't.
June 9, 2008, 9:34:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Dollar,
That is what I should have told RK. But, it took me a little while to get that the demo stood for the demographic.
Little stone age thinking on her part if you ask me. And that from somewhat who considers herself cutting edge.
June 9, 2008, 9:36:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Winning the demo is still a good thing to have. Winning it AND 2+ is even better. All things being equal most advertisers are more interested in the demo. But as I said, in cable news there are advertisers who sell to the total viewers rather than the demo, because they know that there are many more of them.
June 9, 2008, 9:39:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Dollar,
Of course whether that is the demographic depends on what you are advertising and who your ads target.
You don't always want to target the "best" market. Enterprise (not avis) became the number 1 rental car company because they initially targeted small towns and not airports traffic which the other rental car companies were targeting.
June 9, 2008, 9:45:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
The video of the segment should be up at FOXNews.com's video page at some point tonight.
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html
I've become hesitant to believe much that Brian Maloney, the Radio Equalizer, reports on his site.
I thought Hertz was #1.
June 9, 2008, 9:51:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Thanks for your help, Danny!
June 9, 2008, 9:52:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I hope johnny caught that still face with Leo on H&C a few minutes ago. It was hilarious!
June 9, 2008, 9:58:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Mike
Hertz used to be and Avis advertised we are number 2 and we try harder.
Enterprise however tried smarter. They got rich by advertising to a market that no one else was reaching. After they grew strong there then they started going after the airport crowd. Now they are number 1.
Just shows that it is a fallacy always to market to the "best" demographic.
June 9, 2008, 10:00:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
cecelia,
I am just glad I got it right. It was somewhat of a guess.
but you are welcome.
June 9, 2008, 10:01:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
It shows where I've been. I had no idea Hertz had been surpassed.
And apparently, Leo Terrell was on H&C tonight. Good for him, I say sarcastically.
June 9, 2008, 10:11:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I heard O'Reilly. He makes a lot of sense. His solution to the oil crises: flex fuel cars; more domestic drilling; and I think the third was nuclear power plants.
Overall, The republicans are in a better position to advocate those solutions since the democrats are overall more in bed with the environmental radicals.
Why so few politicians are trying to sell those solutions is beyond me.
Make ad saying which do you want, Lower gas prices or to make life easier for the deer in Alaska. I don't know why that would not sell.
June 9, 2008, 10:44:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I'd guess they're in the pocket of the oil companies, but I don't know.
One thing I picked up from the segment was the FBN personality that was one of the guests, Sandra Smith, looks like Laurie Dhue.
June 9, 2008, 10:55:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I think the politicians are fiddling while rome is burning. That's what O'reilly seems to think as well.
I guess people don't realize that Rome is burning. What will it take? 20 dollars a gallon for gas? Ration cards for gasl?
June 9, 2008, 11:00:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
As gas goes up, so does my ammunition count. As should all of yours.
June 9, 2008, 11:04:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
The American energy policy:
ANWR Exploration
House Republicans:91%Supported
House Democrats: 86% Opposed
Coal-to-Liquid
House Republicans: 97% Supported
House Democrats: 78% Opposed
Oil Shale Exploration
House Republicans: 90% Supported
House Democrats: 86% Opposed
Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) Exploration
House Republicans: 81% Supported
House Democrats: 83% Opposed
Refinery Increased Capacity
House Republicans: 97% Supported
House Democrats: 96% Opposed
SUMMARY
91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of American-made oil and gas.
86% of House Democrats have historically voted against increasing the production of American-made oil and gas.
June 9, 2008, 11:17:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
86% of House Democrats have historically voted against increasing the production of American-made oil and gas.
Vince P | Homepage | 06.09.08 - 11:22 pm | #
Yet, they are the ones that cry the loudest about the current prices. Go figure.
June 9, 2008, 11:21:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Illegals for oil. Plain and simple.
June 9, 2008, 11:24:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
OK this is really off topic. Let's get back to the wonders of cable news.
June 9, 2008, 11:40:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I tried to bring it back on topic before we went off topic by talking about one of the guests in that "Factor" segment. I wish I could see more of Sandra Smith, but that damn Cablevision, to get back to what I said here 24 hours ago.
June 10, 2008, 12:08:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Well, more like 22 1/2 hours ago.
June 10, 2008, 12:09:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Sean68
JohnnyDollar. Just discovered your website and plan to come back. Good stuff here.
June 10, 2008, 12:29:15 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Vince,
Even though it is off topic, perhaps Johnny will permit me to ask these questions.
I am awed by your research . . . the stats you come up with at a drop of a hat. This time on Democrats and Republicans who sponsored certain bills.
How do you do that? Do you just Google this info up or do you have access to some special site that provides this kind of info?
June 10, 2008, 1:08:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
It is off topic, guys. If you want I can put you in email contact with each other.
Sean, welcome aboard!
June 10, 2008, 1:15:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
danny:
This is the source:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives2/2008/06/020696.php
I can't claim credit for it.
There is one interesting comment someone left for that article and I think it's important for peolpe to consider because I thik there is truth to it.
I know it's off-topic but since there are no fights going on, what's the harm?
Comment:
After being called a conspiracy theorist I posted this.
Who said anything about conspiracys, Im talking about taking bribes from the Arabs; dont you think thats being done, its called the price of doing business? Take a look at the Carters Center financing and then look at how he helps skew the oil market. Why wouldnt you think that politicians would take a bribe when every year someone goes to jail for it. How cheap it would be to buy votes and you wouldnt need many, what 50 Senators? Pay a couple of Billion Dollars in Swiss accounts or fund PACs, Universities and their professors to push the Arab Oil Agenda, didnt Saudia Arabia just give a couple of hundreds of millions to Harvard and a few other places, saw that in the newspapers, just what do you think that is for? Phoney up a few trusts where its impossible to find out what, where and how much they are really giving, want to really screw up oil shale development give 20 attornies 50 million dollars to start environmental inspections, lawsuits, marchs on State Legislatures, its a lot of money on the table, $800 Billion to the Arabs this year a couple of Billion to Senators, Congressmen/women, couple of greens to suppress gas and oil exploration, stop Nuclear and all the rest of things that they as American citizens can do legally and the investment comes back a hundred fold. Why wouldnt the Arab oil producers do something like that, its the smart thing to do and its what is ingrained in the Arab ethic, they have none. How laughable that you dont think bribery works, it does and has for millennia. You must think the Arab stupid and our elected officials completly honest if you dont think this is happening somewhat right now. Remember, money talks and you know what walks.
June 10, 2008, 1:15:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
j$: you beat me to it. sorry i didn't see your comment before i made mine
June 10, 2008, 1:16:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Vince,
thanks. I'll check that source for other info as time goes on.
June 10, 2008, 1:26:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Vince P | Homepage | 06.10.08 - 1:20 am |
Working from your speculation,I wonder how much it cost the Arabs to pay Reagan to derail all the Carter administration efforts(syn-fuel,ethonal,oil shale,coal gassification,NB Conservation) to create energy independence?If we had continued on the path laid out in the late 70's,we could laugh at OPEC.
June 10, 2008, 9:47:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
The stats came from Congressman Roy Blunt.
Blunt is "a member of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce and the head of the House Energy Action Team (HEAT)."
June 10, 2008, 10:20:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
'The stats came from Congressman Roy Blunt.'
(R) Missourri, House Republican Whip.He doesn't have an ideological axe to grind any more than Henry Waxman.Don't you think we should take that with a grain of salt?
So ,how many billions of taxpayer money should we spend to promote coal to liquids?
How many billions for oil-shale extraction (an expensive and inefficient enterprise,c/o tar sand extraction)
Would soemone explain to me how oil companies having excess refining capacity would lower prices?
Are we to subsidize continental shelf exploration,another pricey endeavor?
ANWR would supply about 2% of our current needs.And as our consumption continues to rise,that percentage would continue to shrink unless we start doing something radical towards conservation.
But assuming we pulled out all the stops,overrode Fla.'s opposition on shelf drilling,threw open ANWR,etc,there would not be a drop of new oil available for 10 years. WOULD THAT EFFECT PRICES TODAY ????
June 10, 2008, 12:11:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
nvh, you should take everything with a grain of salt, but that's not quite the same as looking a two partisans and judging them both to have equally equivalent axes to grind. You might want to consider if the subject is about a particular course of action or policy that has long been championed by that member, if their facts are also fodder for their seeking some sort of investigation putively to difference the between bad policy and actual malfeasance. In short, there's a difference between
having an ax to grind from having a policy to champion.
I'll leave you for you to decide if there's a difference there between what could be an easily disprovable paper based on voting stats by Blunt and a more abstract analysis of intention by Waxman, and to weigh your suspicion factor based upon that...
As to remark about access and price, I'm sure there's something about supply and demand phenomenon on the web that you can read.
To the other point about is there room for finger pointing on both sides, for not doing more sooner yes. Are there distinctions to be made concerning issues like coal gasification (which environmentalist had fewer but still many concerns about) and policies on rationing-- yes.
June 10, 2008, 12:43:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny, I wish I could take this post back. I get caught up and disobey your rules. I know you're tried of hearing me apologize for it. I WILL stop.
June 10, 2008, 12:48:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Mike, I'm sorry to you as well.
June 10, 2008, 12:50:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I'd love to have the opportunity to address some of nvh's questions as well. I do agree with cecelia that nvh should read up on the law of supply and demand. Ok no more.
June 10, 2008, 1:22:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
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June 10, 2008, 1:27:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
On the Mark,
Why do you persist in posting off topic when you know that we who disagree with you (and I disagree with you passionately) can't respond because we would be in violation of the rules ourselves?
June 10, 2008, 1:46:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
OTM has been edited. I don't know how many times I have to warn about this, but apparently I'm warning too much and taking action too little.
June 10, 2008, 1:57:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
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June 10, 2008, 1:59:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
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June 10, 2008, 2:22:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
Apparently, it is off topic to respond to one of the many (in fact, all) off topic posts of others (particularly Cecelia and Mr. Sucks) who happen to feed at he FNC trough and are site soul mates. Well, I suppose as long as we know it's fine to be off topic if you are an FNC fan or if you're attaking someone who criticizes FNC. Seems rather News Hounds-esque to me, and although I can't understand why anyone what aspire to me that low standard, I suppose at least we know the rules. Please, by all means, delete as soon as possible, Johnny.
June 10, 2008, 3:29:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Don't be a crybaby. Others got off-topicked too. And don't start about favoritism. It's messages that have nothing to do with FNC and cable news that are getting nuked. I've tried to use persuasion but it doesn't work, and when it doesn't work that's when I step in.
As I've said before, whining about the rules is not pertinent to these threads. You can always take it to email if you must.
June 10, 2008, 3:38:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
"Interesting" point-of-view. Thanks for sharing.
I actually support your on topic rule, and I abide with it largely. And, your very real favoritism aside, I will try to abide. When I don't, I am pleased you call me on it, even if I am displeased that others don't get called on it.
The point is, all that aside, it remains a good site. Like everyone else, you're entitled to your quirks and foibles.
June 10, 2008, 3:44:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
So the fear is that serious O/T discussion of energy policy or the Middle East will scare off serious posters interested in discussing cable news,but an hours long thread about urinary incontinence on Saturday night would not deter such serious minds.
Euphemistically speaking,whatever floats your boat.
June 11, 2008, 8:13:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I'll try to be on-topic and more intellectual, nvh.
June 11, 2008, 9:27:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On the Mark
Wickedly funny, NVH.
June 11, 2008, 10:27:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply
