1/18/10 12:31 PM

Wednesday Cable News Links and Open Thread

Tuesday's numbers: O'Reilly tops 4M.

CNN's lost its way?

Olby to attack Joe?  Beck at MSU.

Q&A: Darren Rovell, Christiane Amanpour.

Stossel: Why I Quit ABC.  Today's lawsuit.

Carter cable controversy.  Hotline after dark.

Roger's remuneration.  Today's firing demand.

Updated through the day.  Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




puck30
Let's see
 
Boycott O'Reilly? FAILED!
 
Quarantine FNC? FAILED!
 
Boycott Beck? FAILED!
 
I'm sure somewhere there was a Hannity boycott. FAILED!
 
I guess at this point it's like get someone, anyone! Well, we will see if CNN folds like a cheap umbrella.
September 16, 2009, 1:12:02 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Yesterday some bedwetter at News Hounds posted a comment(I cannot locate it now) that Beck and Fox were losing big time in the ad game.
 
OOPS!!!.....I guess it was wishful thinking on their part.
 
http://www.mediaite.com/online/sorry-haters-fox-news-still-unaffected-by-becks-lost-advertisers/
September 16, 2009, 8:31:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Fox News Punked By ACORN
Reported by Ellen - September 16, 2009 - 11 comments  
 
It looks like Fox may or may not have been punked by Acorn. Of course we only have Acorn's word for this.
 
The girl in the video says she was playing with the couple.
 
I guess we'll have to wait and see how it falls out.
 
Of course the Hound ran with the story right away without waiting for all the facts to come out. Something they are accusing Fox of doing on a regular basis.
September 16, 2009, 8:34:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
I wish stossel the best at FOX. I will be tuning in to see what he comes up with.
September 16, 2009, 9:48:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
Seems to me the Beck boycott has worked very well, indeed. He has kept his very small core of fans, large by the diminished standards of cable news in America, to be sure, but something like 1.5% of Americans. I don't think that the boycott was aimed at them or even at FOX. My understanding is the boycott was for the purpose of illustrating that Beck is a falangist and consequently discrediting him in the eyes of mainstream Americans. It seems to me that has happened.
September 16, 2009, 10:58:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I wish stossel the best at FOX. I will be tuning in to see what he comes up with.
chris | Homepage | 09.16.09 - 9:53 am | #  
 
You can bet the Hideous Hounds and their cohorts, Media Matters, are ready for Stossel. They will twist and distort his stuff early and often.
September 16, 2009, 11:10:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, Blackthon, perhaps pillorying Stossel will provide them some comfort since they were obliquely rebuked by so many Democratic congressmen.
September 16, 2009, 12:02:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
From those same folks who gave us that charming term, borked, based on a truly vicious smear campaign led by the sainted collegial Ted Kennedy we now have "beck'ed".
 
"Lou Dobbs Is About To Get Glenn Beck’ed".
 
Of course we will have to wait for the final chapter to know if "beck'ed" is a synonym or an antonym for "borked".
September 16, 2009, 12:55:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
"Lou Dobbs Is About To Get Glenn Beck’ed".
 
Of course we will have to wait for the final chapter to know if "beck'ed" is a synonym or an antonym for "borked".
Grammie | 09.16.09 - 1:00 pm | #  
 
That would be the best thing that ever happened to Dobbs. Beck getting "Becked" turned out to be a ratings winner.
September 16, 2009, 1:28:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
I thought you'd all like to know that President Carter's comments have been on BBC, CNN International and several French broadcast news reports. Pretty extensive coverage actually, with commentary from a variety of sources, including expatriates. Nothing on Euro Sports so far, and I don't know how Newshounds is covering this story. I'll be anxious to find out.
September 16, 2009, 1:51:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Regarding the ACORN coverage, NEWSHOUNDS sure have been pretty tough on the two youngsters responsible for the expo. I wonder if they caught John Stewart's pretty funny take on them....
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/16/jon-stewart-to-media-on-acorn-where-the-hell-were-you/
 
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Stewart even uncharacteristically gives Michelle Malkin a little slack.
 
My favorite line, "I'm a fake journalist and I'm embarrassed these guys scooped me." Also, "Of course FOX is loving this....there's gotta be a way to turn this around and make FOX look stupid."
September 16, 2009, 2:01:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
Pat Pomeroy | 09.16.09 - 1:56 pm | #  
 
Do let us know how this momentous uncertainty is resolved!
 
I am paralyzed with fear that such barbarous angst for one so sensitive and refined as you might leave a permanent mark upon you.
 
Rest assured I'll be making daily novenas that all ends well for you.
September 16, 2009, 2:15:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
My TV is on mute b/c I had visitors but the Hounds will be in dog tree heaven as a result of just the lying chyrons I've seen re Acorn.
 
Fox would have us believe that Acorn is now saying that we will be working hard to regain the public's trust and correct the unpleasantness (my word) thru improved training techniques.
 
Yeah, riiiiight. We all know that the whole smear was just a case of illegal recordings of illegal entrapment by a sleazy so called, wink wink, whore and her pimp.
 
I'm so glad that Fox will finally get their just do about this.   
 
I wonder if Charlie Gibson will finally deign to at least mention the story obliquely?
September 16, 2009, 2:26:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Well Pat, considering NEWSHOUNDS is made up of radical left-wingers, they would likely be in agreement with the tactic of calling Obama's opponents racists.
 
Their history shows they seem to like ad hominem attacks anyway.
 
They, along with Jimmy Carter, represent about 12% of Americans.....
 
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/12_say_most_opponents_of_obama_health_care_plan_are_racist
September 16, 2009, 2:43:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
'Pimp' Video Scandal Pushes
ACORN to Launch 'Review'!!!!!!!
 
http://www.foxnews.com/
 
What say you News Poodles???
 
It looks like Acorn is pretty much admitting they have a problem.
 
Fox News ..........1
Acorn.................0
 
ANd another tidbit out and about on the web today.
There have been 30 convictions of Acorn people across the country.
 
News Hounds has lied again.
September 16, 2009, 2:49:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Once we again, we have Fox News using a headline as propaganda. And, once again we have Fox News spinning (or is it lying) to advance an agenda........
 
The above is a sentence from a one of today's post by the plagiarist Priscilla.
 
OH, THE IRONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 16, 2009, 2:52:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
It's funny that these leftist blogs are calling for conservatives and independents to be fired from the air waves.
 
They need to look in the mirror at themselves and check out some of their friends at MSNBC and other leftist outlets.
 
So much hypocrisy. So little time.
September 16, 2009, 2:55:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
The interesting is that if you watch anything but cable you won't know why an organization, that claims to have delivered over a million votes during the last presidential election, and that has received over 50 million in public money over the last ten years, was cut short by a Democratic congress.
 
Anyone remember a few years ago when NBC admitted that it had been planning to do an investigative piece on anti-Muslim feeling in the U.S. by taking hidden cameras into NASCAR events and questioning private citizens?
September 16, 2009, 3:44:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
Does anyone know what Joe said about Carter and the race card?
September 16, 2009, 5:01:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


david smawley
I hope KO does defend Jimma, a most despised former president & one of the worst of the 20th century. It will make for a good comeback tomorrow morning on MSNBC.
September 16, 2009, 5:02:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Grammie,
 
I watched the program but I don't remember hearing Joe make the statement about racism being the last refuge of scoundrels.
 
Joe, Mika, and Maria Bartiromo did do a pretty thorough debunking of Pres. Carter's remarks.
 
I'm not sure what interest cooked up Carter coming out and lobbing this at Obama critics, but the entire Morning Joe panel agreed that it was going to backfire as everyday folks felt insulted by it.
 
This afternoon I watched Contessa Brewer on MSNBC interview Jonathan Capehart (who was on "Joe" this morning, too) and another black guy (He was a former speech writer for Bush II, I think.) She practically begged them to agree with Carter.  
 
I'm not kidding! She worked HARD!  
 
The best she could get was Capehart saying that there were some very far right extremist elements who were racist and who did comprise a minute portion of the Tea Party crowd.  
 
Otherwise, both men stated that the president had made some miscalculations of late and that dissenters had beefs that had nothing to do with his being a black man.
 
I'm sure that had these men been on FNC, the board at News Hounds would be covered in lovely little expressions such as "house negro", etc.
September 16, 2009, 5:43:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Scott
Keithy "I am I am" OberIamann ratings are like a peanut farmer former "president" and his "humanity houses." Only question is what collaspes first.
September 16, 2009, 6:31:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
I would have enjoyed seeing the look on Mr. Cankleslovakia's face when he learned that BOR topped 4 million viewers yesterday.
September 16, 2009, 6:53:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
Pretty extensive coverage actually, with commentary from a variety of sources, including expatriates. Pat Pomeroy | 09.16.09 - 1:56 pm | #  
 
OK, PP, I'll bite. Just what was the tenor of the coverage and commentary?
September 16, 2009, 6:53:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
OK, PP, I'll bite. Just what was the tenor of the coverage and commentary?
ramjet | Homepage | 09.16.09 - 6:58 pm | #  
 
Something about how insidious these Aryan racist Himmler-like protesters are, with their hateful name-calling and race-baiting and the contemptible comparisons of Pres. Obama to Hitler...
September 16, 2009, 8:27:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
I'm afraid we may have a long wait for poor PP to recover from his soul twisting anxiety to be able to compose himself enough to make any response, much less a coherent one.
 
I suggest we all step back and let his sensitive soul rebound so before we press him for details.
September 16, 2009, 9:12:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
I would be very careful much credence in anything Joe said touching upon the deplorable Wilson's predicament. Joe and Wilson are good friends, and we have to remember that Joe was part and parcel of the Gingrich coup, fueled in significant measure by the GOP Southern Strategy, a cosmetic covering of racism. That's political, but it underscores that Joe ought to have recused himself from this discussion. It's like unto the Van Susteren/Palin analysis. These are deeply, deeply compromised individuals on the "issues" on which they are reporting, violating almost every ethical tenent of journalism. As for Mika, what a tragic loss. She has transformed herself into a flirtatious bubble-head to endea herself to Joe and for ratings. She is a mere shell of her potential. I realize this crowd prefers to crucify Olbermann, perhaps deservedly so, but this Joe/Mika issue is a far greater threat to the institution of television journalism that the insipid Olbermann could ever be.
September 16, 2009, 10:10:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
Ramjet, Cecelia decided to anser for me. Of course, she gave the wrong answer. The coverage was not at all fawning. It was presented as a curiosity, a peculiarity of both Carter and moidern American politics. I don't think the accuracy of the comments was even called into question into any of the reports, perhaps reflecting the fact that the networks involved simply did not view this as a question of great substance. Maybe, absent living the American experience, the racial question can't be cast in entirely understandable terms. America does have not only Black and White dynamics involved, but also this division among White moderates, progressives and liberals who tend to be hypersensitive to racial questions and those unsavory sorts whose rhetoric and conduct often reflect the vestiges of strong, latent racism. Not being able to understand that nuance, I think CNN International, the BBC and the French networks gave the story an uncharacteristically approproate view. Job well done.
September 16, 2009, 10:19:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
Just as an aside, I learned this morning from Mika while watching 'Morning Joe that the entire ACORN brouhaha is nothing more than "conservative opportunism."
 
God forbid that someone who actually knows Joe Wilson might add some reality to the discussion and concur with President Obama as opposed to those who have attached a nefarious motive to someone they've never friggin' met!
September 16, 2009, 11:50:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
I agree that a comment from one of Wilson's supportive colleagues would have been instructive. That comment ought not to have come from the television personality. That is my only point. It would be fine for Joe to interview someone about Wilson, but he ought not have commented. I would say the same thing about Van Susteren. When Palin is in the news, then interfview her or someone who knows her. Don't, in essence, interview yourself. Very lazy and unethical journalism.
 
Interesting comment by Mika. I had not heard this. She is a real tool.
September 17, 2009, 2:32:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
"this Joe/Mika issue is a far greater threat to the institution of television journalism that the insipid Olbermann could ever be."
 
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I laughed so hard my inguinal hernia is now irritated.
 
I can assure you, anything NBC NEWS now does, (even defending a criminal enterprise only because it supports The Democrat Party), will not threaten any institution, TV or mental. Firstly, their ratings alone reflect the impact they now have on the issues.
 
Even their attempt to heat up the race hatred in America with their breathless deference to former unpopular Presidents (one who should be only be cutting ribbons in between his lunch and afternoon nap) is now, even as I type this, backfiring on them.
 
Specifically, Joe and Mika is an actual bright spot in the MSNBC line-up with longer and more friendly debate from all sides of an issue, example of being polite and kindness. They compare well to the MSNBC primetime hours where sullen, depressed and fear-mongering hosts see bogeymen in every corner of our great Republic. I am starting to think MSNBC after 5PM is going to be broadcast in sepia tones to match the mood.
 
Lastly, in regard to the previous post, although I have enjoyed the racial "forensics" offerred by experts from the elite white progressive crowd, from Lawrence O'Donnell to Maureen Dowd, I will still give my fellow man the benefit of the doubt and rely on character witnesses, like Joe, who KNOW THE PERSON, to form my opinions. So far, no minority has stepped forward to offer us all one example of a specific incident that shows Representative Wilson's dark heart. Not one racial slur, not one insult, not one slander. All I have seen is an attempt to use very poor circumstanital "evidence," to smear the reputation of man who, like millions of Americans, retains respect of his heritage, warts and all, with no romantic fantacies.
September 17, 2009, 5:43:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Here I am, an American, supposedly more aware of the American political and sociological nuances (in a way that European cable is not...) and it never occurred to me that Pres. Carter was including Joe Wilson in his accusation that many critics of president are racists.
 
I thought this current Former Southern President Strategy of toting out an old commander-in-chief to accuse White House critics of being racists, was directed at the rank and file Tea Party protesters who show up to protest health care policy and rumors of another stimulus package, with signs and songs.  
 
I assumed it included too, the ACORN expose's 20-something would-be investigative journalists, with their bad costumes and even worse sense of the direction the wind blows in their field of choice.
 
Interesting to hear that Rep Joe Wilson is also being labeled a bigot for his over-heated reaction to hearing a president, in the halls of congress, obliquely refer to Sen Grassley and Sara Palin as being liars.
 
I hadn't realized that Joe Wilson is a race-baiter from the days before Pres. Clinton heeded Dick Morris' advice.  
 
I well remember those intellectually rigorous days, when a desire to clean up the welfare entitlement program brought Democratic pols to the C-Span cameras to elucidate policy differences by accusing Republicans of wanting to starve black children.
 
That I could have assumed that Rep Wilson might escape this most cynical and inflammatory tar-and-feathering of political dissenters that is being carried out by everyone from a former president, to half-wit MSNBC talking heads, to admittedly pro-White House editors of national news magazines, is quite a failure of imagination on my part.
 
What was I thinking? After all, this is American politics, you know... and the narrative of race-baiting and racism is a big chuck of bull boo-boo that only rolls one way.
September 17, 2009, 8:46:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I didn't catch Mika and Joe today, Ramjet, but I'm surprised to hear that Mika made that comment.
 
The first time I heard the term "conservative opportunism" on that show was from either Norah O'Donnell or Chuck Todd, after they were quizzed by Joe and Mika about the media's failure to cover the ACORN story.  
 
I do remember that both Mika and Joe expressed disapproval that the story would be cast in THAT light and that the assumed motives and political alignments involved would be of more importance to the MSM than what the piece had actually revealed about ACORN.
 
I'm wondering if Mika was being sarcastic when she made the statement.
September 17, 2009, 8:53:48 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Ramjet, Cecelia decided to anser for me. Of course, she gave the wrong answer.
 
Pat Pomeroy | 09.16.09 - 10:24 pm | #
 
I wasn't speaking for you, Mark. How could one do that when you change biographics like jail cell denizens change stories, Mark?
 
You're an "invisible worms that flies in the night in the howling storm". There's no "you" to you.
September 17, 2009, 9:03:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
Erroneous personal attacks without cable news substance are now acceptable?
September 17, 2009, 12:22:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
No they aren't. Let's knock it off.
September 17, 2009, 12:25:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply