Wednesday Cable News Links and Open Thread
Coop and Maddow: downslide!
Tuesday's numbers: FNC crushes rivals!
Q&A: Glenn Beck.
Audio: Griff explains Garofalo encounter.
R.I.P.: Bill Seidman.
Brit Hume honored.
Cabler auction. Hotline after dark.
Profile: Big Ed. Gergen bombs. Coop's chart.
MSNBC website targets Obama supporters. Gap closing.
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Fox Fan
The government should funnel some bailout money to Cooper; throwing meaningless cash at problems is always the best solution. What would it take, Coop, $10M? 20? Let's give him $150M, that will ensure great ratings.
May 13, 2009, 7:02:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Re: Targets
I think Carlos Watson would have been a better choice for an MSNBC show than Ed Schultz.
I know with Ed, they hoped to go after the middle American populist types, but frankly, Ed really isn't a populist. MSNC should just continue to catering to urban liberals.
Watson is smarter and edgier than Ed, but that's not saying much, so is Pat Buchanan...
May 13, 2009, 9:32:19 AM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
The government should funnel some bailout money to Cooper
Fox Fan | Homepage | 05.13.09 - 7:07 am
no, whatever happended to capitalism??
May 13, 2009, 11:24:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
I dont watch ed, and apparently by his ratings, i'm not the only one
May 13, 2009, 11:25:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
MSNBC website targets Obama supporters.
Shocker!
May 13, 2009, 11:48:07 AM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
nothing suprises me w/ msnbc
nbc=national barack channel
any ideas for ms??
May 13, 2009, 12:51:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"I'd pay 5k for a chance to pop Olbermann in the face.
Posted By: Ben | May 13, 2009 at 12:14 PM "
A comment from the "cabler auction" article.
May 13, 2009, 1:23:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
'"I'd pay 5k for a chance to pop Olbermann in the face."'
:+: 5.25!
May 13, 2009, 4:15:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Cece, are you offering 5.25K, because I'm pretty sure 5.25 is less than 5K.
I can't afford 5K but I'd gladly watch Ben do it for free!
May 13, 2009, 6:07:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
tuesday ratings: all i have to say is wow
olbermann vs boling: well someone had to catch i dont see the big deal
May 13, 2009, 6:20:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Oh, I thought it was 5250.00.
Do you see why my husband never lets me go antiquing alone.
May 13, 2009, 6:47:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
any ideas for ms??
chris | 05.13.09 - 12:56 pm | #
media sellout
major suckup
major suckers
mindless sorry
minor standings
mainstream socialist
mentally small
mistrusted station
menial schlub
And of course the well-known
M-ESS
May 13, 2009, 7:13:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Keith olbermann calling someone a hypocrite? I'm speechless.....shocked, stunned, not amazed.
May 13, 2009, 8:01:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I haven't seen Gibson for a couple of weeks before seeing him on BOR tonight. Goatee? I like it!
*biased since I have one too
May 13, 2009, 8:38:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
FNCFan20
I'm confused now. FNC's Harris Faulkner apparently has a Twitter page, and has twittered that she's now on maternity leave. Didn't think she was pregnant.
May 13, 2009, 8:55:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Damail
MS ideas?
How about mass slandering?
May 13, 2009, 10:49:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Gibson was also on "Red Eye" last night.
May 13, 2009, 11:16:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Pat Pomeroy
I wouldn't read the web gap closing, as you say, as some indication of quaity, but as a port in the storm. Limbaugh without Clinton to bash was nothing. FOX without Obama to bash isn't much. It's about ideologically-driven people seeking affirmation, not facts, objectivity or quality.
May 13, 2009, 11:31:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ImNotBlue
Pat, your argument would have more teeth, if it wasn't the opposite we all heard a few months ago when the hate crowd said, "FOX was done because they wouldn't have Bush to defend anymore."
So which is it?
FOX was Number 1 when Bush was around, and is Number 1 with Obama around. What does that tell you?
May 14, 2009, 1:15:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
The clip is classic Olbermann stupidity.
He and his MSNBC cohosts have been bashing heterosexuals for weeks now based on their sexual preferences AS A RESPONSE to their ideological positions....Two examples:
Miss California (with very misogynistic humor and disgusting jokes from Michael Musto)
The Tea Party Protesters (with the VERY repetative innuendo "tea baggers, ah, ha, uh, ha, they're TEA BAGGING, ha uh, ha, uh, uh," although I suppose such manipulation can be applied to both homosexuals and heterosexuals).
Bolling made ONE passing joke about Mr. Frank's sexual orientation and Olbermann shows indignation. A BIG, HUUUUGE BLACK POT calling a teenie weenie tiny kettle....
I suppose Keith does not consider there are degrees of hypocrisy. Also, I do not think Bolling ever made comments about MSNBC's coverage of the Tea Party protestors so calling him a hypocrite, specifically, is baseless.
But on to the larger, "pimple on nose" point.....
So in Olbermann's moral universe, heterosexuals are acceptable targets for frat house humor but homosexuals are not.
That paradigm leaves me scatching my head, as with most of what Olbermann believes.
May 14, 2009, 6:18:19 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
On the money, INB!
However, I think Pat is correct in labeling FNC a "port in a storm".
It is the place you go if you want to hear both sides of an issue and to see liberal guests questioned from the conservative perspective, and conservatives queried from the standpoint of what is being argued from the Left.
Generally, in the media, whether the issue is the economy or it's interrogation techniques, conservatives are pushed to respond to liberal positions, and liberals are pushed to respond to further to the Left positions.
May 14, 2009, 9:02:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I saw Gibson on O'Reilly last night and hardly recognized him.
The longer hair and the goatee thing, along with his skin color being a dead match in shade with both, makes him look like he should be wearing Amish attire and driving a buggy.
May 14, 2009, 9:09:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
fox fan, damail, great ideas!!
how about we use all of them!!
so true, so why not all?
May 14, 2009, 9:17:19 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Actually, Cee, I think the days long tea bagging jokes at MSNBC, were the sort of thing we saw at on the JD Sucks thread, where the guys there implied that some male posters here are gay and at least once, used the word "fag".
If FNC had used such double entendre (Dick Armey... etc.) towards Democrats, the channel would have been accused of making heinous anti-gay slurs by the same talking heads on MSNBC.
May 14, 2009, 10:07:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Actually, Cee, I think the days long tea bagging jokes at MSNBC, were the sort of thing we saw at on the JD Sucks thread, where the guys there implied that some male posters here are gay and at least once, used the word "fag".
If FNC had used such double entendre (Dick Armey... etc.) towards Democrats, the channel would have been accused of making heinous anti-gay slurs by the same talking heads on MSNBC.
Cecelia | 05.14.09 - 10:12 am | #
The l'il feller (the man-child) used the f word many times. He's a true homophobe, but the kennel dwellers just loved him.
Your last comment about "if FNC..." is spot on. But we'll never know because FNC will never do it. They keep their eye on the news and leave the pee pee jokes for MSNBC.
May 14, 2009, 12:26:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Pat Pomeroy
I never made such an argument, I'm not Blue, and I would find it incredible. If FOX were more news-oriented, it would not necessarily fare well in a an era during which the political ideology which colors its news were descendant. In fact, precious little air time is devoted to news. In that sense, it is more MSNBC-like than it is CNN-like. FOX's programming is conservative, right-wing commentary. That is the power of the programming. It appeals to a descendant, but very tightly defined political ideology, a small but virulent section of the American poliical spectrum, but an important segment of the cable news viewing subculture. Bush was out of favor with this group during the last two years, and FOX did not find value in shedding its ideological skin. No surprise to me FOX prospers when it targets an ascendant ideology and an Administration desipised by this subculture. Of course, the fact that FOX is disengaged itself from news of this Administration, merely helps built the esprit de corps of the subculture.
I'm not sure you've added anything, Cecelia, but I may not understand what you are saying.
May 14, 2009, 12:30:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Pat, you've made an extremely tendentious argument here, but I do agree with some of it.
From the liberalism of Uncle Walter to the fact that even now, few MSM members could argue any position accurately from a conservative point of view, conservatives have historically been short-shifted in what is by and far a media more liberal than the general public.
This was true under the many successful Republican presidential elections of the last fifty years , the 90's era Republican revolution in the House and Senate, and continues with the pendulum swing that we see now.
That they do cover all sides is why FNC has been so economically viable in the marketplace.
It's also why that of the cable networks, FNC is most balanced in its audience than is CNN and MSNBC.
FNC reaches the conservatives who will never hear Brian Williams elucidate on a policy of giving tax credits to individuals for health insurance premiums, and it reaches average Dems who are not "virulent" lefties unable to tolerate a channel that would treat conservatism as being on par with liberalism.
BTW-- you'd be wise not underestimate your opponents or to act as though their ideas are so out of the mainstream. That's the stuff of tater tot sports fans, rather than serious discussion.
May 14, 2009, 3:13:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Pat Pomeroy | 05.14.09 - 12:35 pm | #
:lol:
May 14, 2009, 3:16:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Pat Pomeroy, are you related to Kurt Kissel?
By related I mean either cloned or two personalities in one computer/keyboard.
May 14, 2009, 3:28:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Pat Pomeroy
You raise some very good points, Cecelia. I found the Brian Williams point very interesting. Important, too. Unfortunate, but true I think.
I know a Sam (I changed the first name, but it is not Kurt) Kissell, a good friend of my dad, but I don't know Kurt Kissell.
May 14, 2009, 3:55:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Mr. Schultz, is that you? I think I'd recognize that intelligence and congenial demeanor anywhere!
May 14, 2009, 8:50:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
