Weekend Links & Open Thread
Sunday cable news links [updated through the day]:
Review: Fareed Zakaria GPS.
The misogyny Hall of Shame?
FNC success scientifically explained!
Greta: why I left CNN.
The perils of cable news.
TCG: The end of an era. Enough already? It's Brokaw, for now. Details, backstory, speculation.
Rosen reviews.
Sunday talkers: roundup.
Alan's hate mail [language].
Fox & Friends weekend woes?
Another Page Six jab.
Media storm genesis.
Huck's smart move.
Russert replacement: prisons and predators.
Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in this weekend's open thread. Standard rules apply. fox news cablenews
johnny dollar
The weekend poll is longer than I have done before: 8 possible answers. The 'vote' button should appear just fine on all browsers, but should it not be visible on your setup let me know and I give the poll more space to make sure it's visible.
June 21, 2008, 1:09:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Oh, my lord... On the current partisan squabbling scale of Who Is Most Disrespectful to the Memory of St. Tim... CNBC has trumped everyone-- Doc Blocks as replacement for his show!...
June 21, 2008, 1:22:53 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I voted for BOR. "The Factor" is the only primetime show I make an effort to watch...unless it's a repeat or there's a fill-in host.
June 21, 2008, 1:31:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I see the closet olbyloons are dancing on the Olbermahn button.
Doc/prison blocks to replace Russert? Deplorable. If I was Luke, well I better not say what I would do.
June 21, 2008, 1:33:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
On second thought, MTP with Tim Russert was irreplacable. Maybe this is best.
June 21, 2008, 1:51:48 AM EDT – Like – Reply
jh
Gah, where is Ron Paul in the poll.
/sad face
June 21, 2008, 2:38:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
The poll has been compromised and does not reflect the views of regular visitors to this site. Not much else to say.
June 21, 2008, 6:57:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Missy
I just voted for H & C, yet they still show up as "zero"! What gives?
But as David mentions above, the poll has already been usurped by fans of you-know-who.
June 21, 2008, 8:03:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Missy
For those who didn't see the distinction at first, it is Tim Russert's weekend program, the one shown exclusively on MSNBC, that is being replaced by crime documentaries, etc.
But what an idiotic move! The best thing they could put in that place would be Tim's previous shows! I rarely watched them, but would sure do so now with him being gone. The shows that I did see were not typically time-sensitive, so if he did an interview with someone months or years ago, it wouldn't necessarily be obsolete.
Meaning no disrespect here, Tim is now more popular than ever. We all just thought he'd always be here. But now that he's gone, I believe any of his prgramming would be "must see TV" to many of news fans.
June 21, 2008, 8:20:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply
DeeKay
IMO this poll is useless. It's certainly wrong, anyway.
June 21, 2008, 9:30:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
you-know-who=Voldemort??
Huckabee's smart TV route
"I am getting credit in some circles for prescience in having written all along that Huckabee, in running for president, was mostly auditioning for a show on Fox or MSNBC."
What an interesting take,using a presidential campaign to break into cable punditry.It certainly takes less time than a legislative or military career,and it's safer than getting indicted (one can't always rely on overturned convictions or Presidential pardons).So will this career path join the long established routes from the Pentagon to defence contractors or from Congress to K Street?
"He can spend these next few months drawing a check from Fox to prop up McCain and pick apart Barack Obama, earning good Republican will along the way."
"What's apparently happening at Fox is that 20-something producers and copy writers, wet behind the ears and full of themselves with the heady insensitivity of their underdeveloped conservatism, have been getting outrageous things on the air because no adult journalist has been present. Brit Hume doesn't count."
J$,interesting that you should post this.If I had written the above,your regulars (and you) would have enough cows to repopulate the Chisholm Trail.
Carry on.
June 21, 2008, 9:44:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
My guess is that the poll is askew because the Olbermannicphobes don't ever read anything. We have abundant evidence of that, all the time. They just see the name on an Olbermannicphobic site and assume that the question is: "Who would look best in violet taffeta carrying a basket of kittens?," or "Which of the following is most likely to be spotted coming out of a tanning salon?," or some other silly, denigrating question characterisitc of the Olbermannicphobic sites they frequent to share their mania. They check Olbermann out of rote training.
June 21, 2008, 9:54:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
How did you come to that conclusion from "must-see tv"?
Apparent poll ambush. It's quite easy to vote multiple times in most online polls, and one person could have voted all 1000+ times it took to get Keith to 90+%.
Must be a sad and lonely life...
June 21, 2008, 9:59:48 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Concerning the poll.Newshounds has a regular feature called "Moronic Quote of the Week" or something like that.One week a quote from Neil Borscht was in the running,and he used his radio show to encourage his listeners go to Newshounds and skew the poll.Now why anyone would want to win such a contest is beyond me,but apparently Mr Borscht feels that any recognition is good.
For the record,I didn't vote.Wouldn't want to skew your results,I know I'm not representitive.But if I could write in a vote,it would be for "Nova".
June 21, 2008, 10:20:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Yes the poll votes have been reset. Someone thought it would be funny to sabotage the poll. We'll try it again. It's too bad you can't even put up a poll to have a little weekend fun without the Olbyloons coming in to spoil it. We'll see how it goes.
June 21, 2008, 10:28:07 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I voted for Anderson Cooper.
How do we know it was Olbyloons who skewed the poll? Is that just an assumption? If so, I wouldn't argue that it was unreasonable, but it would be a help to know the basis of your conclusion.
June 21, 2008, 10:34:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
How ironic is it that only one person that I know of who posts here will make feeble attempts at defending Olbermahn, yet, he tops the poll. Like I was saying last night, we are amongst many closet olbyloons who have nothing bettr to do than vote over and over in a poll.
June 21, 2008, 10:42:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> How do we know it was Olbyloons who skewed the poll?
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/newshounds/14750/#728798
I rest my case.
June 21, 2008, 12:00:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
The NY Post is really getting under the skin of KO and his people. The problem for Keith is his opposition has opened up several fronts and he has few defenders, even at his own network.
June 21, 2008, 12:02:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
david smawley | 06.21.08 - 12:07 pm |
Getting under his skin,or playing right into his hands.About a week ago there was a link to Salon(?),and KO was saying that Mr O'Reilly had provided immeasurable help to his ratings by setting up this conflict dynamic, and that he (KO) should give Mr O'reilly part of his salary.Could the Post Page 6 be playing the same role?
June 21, 2008, 12:18:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
my answer is how much salary can keith afford to share?
June 21, 2008, 12:28:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
J$,
I'm curious.In your 6/20 post you have a picture of KO giving a Nazi salute and holding a picture of BOR on a stick.Today you have a picture of KO holding a picture of Greta on a stick.Are those pictures actual screen grabs,or are they photo-shopped.
(Ala Homer Simpson, Greta on a stick,Yummmmm)
June 21, 2008, 12:32:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
david smawley | 06.21.08 - 12:33 pm |
So you agree with KO's assesment that BOR's recognition/opposition did much to make KO's show what it is today.Then do you also think that NY Post/Page 6 is also serving the part of a foil for KO,and untimately benefiting him by continuing this "Dick-Measuring contest" between News-Corp and GE.
June 21, 2008, 12:37:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
KO set up his own conflict. Pretty clever, I guess. Claim that the other party thrives on a conflict (I never heard one reference to KO on O'Reilly) and capitalize on the idea.
June 21, 2008, 12:39:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
No they are not photoshopped. They are the real thing. I'm surprised you don't know of the controversy over KO's Nazi Salute, which earned him a censure from the ADL.
June 21, 2008, 12:40:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 12:45 pm |
Are the clips on Youtube?
June 21, 2008, 12:44:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Never mind.Just went to the ADL site.What a slimeball! Reminds me of other irresponsible talking heads who are fond of Nazi analogies.
June 21, 2008, 12:48:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
How do we know it was Olbyloons who skewed the poll?
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...s/14750/ #728798
I rest my case.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 12:05 pm | #
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I see. Just polling and electioneering, just voting. I thought you meant that hacking was involved. Amazing paranoia when it comes to Olbermann and NH sometimes.
June 21, 2008, 1:30:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH
The Anti Defamation League is one person, and that one person is a slimeball? You would defame the Anti Defamation League?
If someone were to defame the NAACP (i.e., Ellen Brodsky's soul mate in hate, Hal Turner), I am sure that you would call them a racist. Isn't your defamation of the ADL a little anti-semitic-like . . . even Nazi-like?
We should pay no attention to history, in the hope that we can keep repeating the same mistakes and relive that bad times over and over again?
Man you are really on a roll this morning.
June 21, 2008, 2:03:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Amazing paranoia
No, I can see where each hit to this site comes from, and how many there are. Obviously I also know how many votes get cast in the poll over the same time period. So it's easy to compare the number of people who visit the site with the number of votes in the poll over the same time period. It ain't exactly rocket science. And those who are familiar with this particular NH commenter know the character of her crusade against both Fox and me.
And don't start with the attacks when I was just responding to a question you asked. If you don't like the answer that's no reason to get personal.
June 21, 2008, 2:03:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Actually, your answer was along the lines of what I expected, and my label of paranoia applied not to you but some others. The definition of paranoia usually begins with an "irrational fear ....". I don't consider you irrational. Not in the least. Some of your devotees, well suffice it to say it is their paranoia which in large measure contributes to the otherwise inexplicable popularity of Olbermann. The paranoia gives him more power than he would otherside have.
June 21, 2008, 2:17:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Common olbyloon tactic.....
June 21, 2008, 2:21:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I'm shocked, stunned and amazed that the dog pound would overwhelmingly vote for the orange faced hack. (sarcasm cranked) Let alone sabotoge a poll. So much for "paranoia."
June 21, 2008, 2:27:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Some of your devotees, well suffice it to say it is their paranoia which in large measure contributes to the otherwise inexplicable popularity of Olbermann. The paranoia gives him more power than he would otherside have.
On The Mark | 06.21.08 - 2:22 pm | #
Please explain.
June 21, 2008, 2:52:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
danny | 06.21.08 - 2:08 pm |
Just go back and reread my 12:53PM post, slowly.Then if you have any questions,I'll be happy to help.
June 21, 2008, 3:21:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Surprise surprise, it appears that our pal was making the rounds of the blue blogs trying to drum up Olbermanniacs to flood our poll. Note the wording here, virtually identical to that in the hound comments:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/20/open-thread-844/#comment-737688
And I thought elmonica refused to even visit my site. Apparently she is a bigger fan of J$P than I realized.
June 21, 2008, 3:27:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
In the restarted poll, I re-voted for BOR.
As somebody that despises Keith and is ashamed he ever liked him in his sports days ("Football Night in America" is during his "news" days), I say keep it coming, Page Six, OlbyWatch, The Cable Game, etc. I also despise Katy Tur because of how she has gotten to where she is and who she's sleeping with.
June 21, 2008, 3:36:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH,
Thanks for your kind and generous offer, but, I have no more questions for you at this point. As I pointed out, you are definitely on a roll. Wouldn't dream of doing anything to break your streak.
June 21, 2008, 4:08:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
If you can't figure out who the slimeball is in my phrase "What a slimeball!",then you better stay away from Dostoiefsky.
June 21, 2008, 4:12:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Actually, Dosteyevsky (his name is spelled in different ways) is one of my favorite authors. And your writing (as does his) speaks for itself.
June 21, 2008, 4:17:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
danny, my first impression was she (nvh) was calling Olbermann a slimeball. I was shocked, at first glance. Please correct me if I'm wrong, nvh,
June 21, 2008, 4:36:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
danny | 06.21.08 - 4:22 pm |
Really! I read about 80 pages of "Crime and Punishment".Didn't float my boat.Are you also a fan of Tolstoy.Slogged through 80 pages of"War and Peace".Again,it was more painful than pleasurable.Though I've read Solzhenitzen (A Day in the Life....,First Circle) that weren't too abysmal.
BTW,you can stop acting dumb any time now.
June 21, 2008, 4:38:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
I never thought I would say this,but t/y Oblio.
June 21, 2008, 4:39:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
That's olby sucks, to you. You're welcome.
June 21, 2008, 4:59:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Never mind.Just went to the ADL site.What a slimeball!
Yep, I confess. When I read the above sentences, I am dumb enough to think that you are referring to ADL, since ADL is the only possible antecedent (of slimeball) in the passage. Sorry about that chief.
June 21, 2008, 5:00:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Especially when you combine that sentence with a phrase about Nazi analogies. Who would most likely be using Nazi analogies other than the ADL? That is so because they are rather focused on Nazi atrocities.
June 21, 2008, 5:02:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
danny | 06.21.08 - 5:05 pm |
When one is having a conversation,a back and forth as it were,soemtimes a phrase will refer back to a statement that someone previously made.If the context was not clear,then reading what J$ wrote,that I was responding to,would have cleared that up.
June 21, 2008, 5:03:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH,
J$ phrase was about Olbermann's Nazi salute. You said you went to the ADL site. YOu never said that you found an article confirming their condemnation of the salute. Instead you went off on a tangent about people's misusing Nazi Analogies. I thought that is what you were mad about. I am sure ADL uses many Nazi analogies (more so than Olbermann). Therefore, I thought that you were referring to them.
I still think that is a reasonable interpretation from what you wrote.
June 21, 2008, 5:11:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
danny | 06.21.08 - 5:07 pm |
But if you read the letter that ADL wrote to Keith,you would see that they were complaining about the use of Nazi analogies as cheap shots against rivals.The ADL (notice I treat it as a plural)would not use Nazi analogies to score points,as that was the basis of their complaint against KO.
Why would you think that I would slur the ADL?Please do not interpret support of "human rights" for Palestinians as anti-Semitic or anti-Israeli.
June 21, 2008, 5:12:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
That page 6 piece is a laugh and a half!!
June 21, 2008, 5:18:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH,
But I did not go to the site. I was basing my interpretation strictly on what you posted. From what you posted, I still say that mine is a reasonable interpretation.
I regard you as being liberal. I could go into why I think there is an ant-Jewish strain in modern liberalism, but I am sure I would be ruled off topic fairly quickly.
June 21, 2008, 5:23:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
"I think there is an ant-Jewish strain in modern liberalism,"
And thus you reached for an interpretation that confirmed a pre-existing supposition.
would it suprise you to learn many,perhaps most Jews are liberal?That the majority of Jews are Democrats?How can you believe your above statement knowing that.
June 21, 2008, 5:38:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH,
You might want to read the following article:http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=19618
The number 1 villain, according to liberals, are the neocons. Neoconservatism has been linked, according to liberal mythology, with jewish-trotsky Americans, Zionism and with an overuse of the Nazi analogy. I think it was reasonable to presume that is where you are coming from.
From what you wrote I still say that mine was a reasonable interpretation,
June 21, 2008, 6:16:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
NVH: Get 2 Jews in a room and you'll find 3 opinions.
June 21, 2008, 6:18:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I'll try the link again: http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=19618
June 21, 2008, 6:18:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Warning: this discussion is drifting, drifting, drifting into off-topic politics.
June 21, 2008, 6:23:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
OS,
If you remember, our dear troll at OW called you Oblio. Strange, isn't it, to be called Oblio, a very obscure reference (saw it in childhood days) by two different people? Although I do agree with you on your initial take of the "slimeball" issue, I would take that as with all else, with about a ton of salt.
June 21, 2008, 6:32:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Who is IPS and why would you think they represent my thinking?
If you asked most liberals,hell,if you asked most Jews what a "jewish-trotsky American" is,they would think you were kooked.Don't get to tied up in what YOU think is "liberal mythology".
But you are reaching to equate opposition to the neo-con agenda (mostly Jews by your definition,I don't know that it's true) to anti-Semitism.Don't strain your back,that's a heck of a reach.Since the majority of Jews vote Democratic,by your thinking wouldn't opposing Democrats be anti-Semitic?If I favored U Conn over Notre Dame,does that make me anti-Catholic.
NVH: Get 2 Jews in a room and you'll find 3 opinions.
Yes,but 3/4 of them voted for Kerry in 04.
June 21, 2008, 6:36:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH,
I could go on and on with you on this subject. I know that for you breaking the rules of the forum is no big thing, but I like to try to stay in bounds if I can.
I think that I have said enough to demonstrate that mine was a reasonable interpretation of your post. So that should be nuff said.
June 21, 2008, 6:53:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
How could I forget a name like oblio? nvh is as transparent as a brand new windsheild.
June 21, 2008, 7:28:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
If I favored U Conn over Notre Dame,does that make me anti-Catholic.
by nvh.....
That makes as much sense as calling me a racist because I wouldn't vote for bho. Remember that?
June 21, 2008, 7:35:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Guest
Wow! Page Six is just all over Olbermann.
Yesterday, the hilariously funny bit by Paula Froelich and now today!
Sweet!
June 21, 2008, 9:13:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Page six is hilarious! Thanks for pointing us to the battle as it unfolds, johnny. Maybe Olby will find a new target to froth at, only this one will mention him by name!
nvh, how many Israelis do you think want a democrat voted in in 08?
Sharm and OS, what other name used the Oblio term?
June 21, 2008, 9:58:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
What is this "page six" thing you refer to
June 21, 2008, 10:12:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
It's one of the links in this article. I'd link it here but that would result in editing moderation.
June 21, 2008, 10:23:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Fox Fan, He Of Many Names used the Oblio term of endearment for Olby Sucks.
June 21, 2008, 10:48:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
I was unable to locate it due to my not knowing what to look for in order to recognize it if I were to see while looking for it based on the description that you gave to me from you if you were able to without being edited to me.
June 21, 2008, 10:56:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
nvh,
You've offered yet another bad analogy.
It does not follow that Danny's argument is that one could be charged with being anti-semitic for going up against the Democratic Party because of its Jewish members, unless the entity going against the it was arguing that those Jewish members were a cabal who manipulated the Party for the benefit of another country-- Israel.
That's a classic charge by anti-semites and that's what the neocons have been accused of doing from a broad range of folks who should choose their words more carefully.
June 21, 2008, 11:02:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Fox Fan, He Of Many Names used the Oblio term of endearment for Olby Sucks.
Cecelia | 06.21.08 - 10:53 pm | #
Are you convinced, now?
June 21, 2008, 11:06:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Vince P, Page Six is the gossip section of the New York Post.
You'll find it linked on Drudge as Page Six if you wish to view it.
June 21, 2008, 11:06:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
page 6 is linked in weekend thread.
June 21, 2008, 11:08:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
OS, getting there...
June 21, 2008, 11:08:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Page Six is, Olby Sucks, I was giving Vince a link for future reference.
June 21, 2008, 11:09:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 11:11 pm | #
Can you spell this out for me, Cece and OS? I personally think that OTM is not nvh. No offense to nvh, but OTM is much more well spoken and less likely to offend than nvh. Johnny should be able to verify their individualities.
June 21, 2008, 11:44:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> I was unable to locate it
Vince, you do look at the posts, right? The weekend thread post that this comment thread is attached to has a specific link to the page six article. It shouldn't be hard to spot! I always recommend people check out the posts as the comments are, in theory, supposed to discuss them to some extent anyhow!
> I personally think that OTM is not nvh.
They do not have the same IP address.
June 21, 2008, 11:49:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Please avoid topic drift, everyone. Please...for me.
June 22, 2008, 12:03:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Page Six is, Olby Sucks, I was giving Vince a link for future reference.
Cecelia | 06.21.08 - 11:14 pm | #
understand
June 22, 2008, 12:05:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
FF, sure can-- On the Mark
or as Bob Cox stated:
A N O N Y M O U S" is also "Mrs. R. Adrian Philby" and "Rudy Ramirez" and "M Schultz" and "Kurt Kissel".
Longtime readers will recall that Kurt Kissel wrote a year ago: "Well, that's it. Good-bye to this Blog forever. I am sick of the puerile, Junior High School locker room filth. It isn't witty or clever, and it ceased being at all funny, even in the acne-encrusted sense, by my sophomore year. Enjoy snickering all the way into your respective dotages."
"Kurt" then began posting as "Rudy".
Say goodbye to your 1,146 comments via 66.80.214.50 and say hello to another ban.
Posted by: Robert Cox at February 5, 2008 10:01 PM
June 22, 2008, 12:08:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 11:54 pm | #
You and I both know that not having the same IP address means nothing to prove individuality.
Having consistently different like IP addresses does mean something. If two posters post with different, but consistent, IP addresses the assumption of individuality can be assumed. However, it still is not rock solid proof, as the offender could be diligent in posting under different provider addresses.
June 22, 2008, 12:10:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"No offense to nvh, but OTM is much more well spoken"
That's the point and her mo. IP's can be changed regularly as well as proxy's. Asked and answered. Sorry for drifting.
June 22, 2008, 12:10:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
Johnny: It's impossible to know which post any particular Haloscan page refers to.
June 22, 2008, 12:11:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
FF, you should have seen Giuliani supporter Rudy's grammar....why the liberal erudite Mrs. Philby simply mopped the floor with him...
June 22, 2008, 12:15:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> It's impossible to know which post any particular Haloscan page refers to.
Very true. But the weekend links post is staring everyone right in the face on the front page of the site. And I thought I did point you to it.
I get a little testy because I spend a lot of time hunting links to keep my posts updated through the day, and some people don't even look at 'em! Woe is me...
June 22, 2008, 12:18:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
Why dont you make the first comment be a link to teh article?
June 22, 2008, 12:24:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I hadn't thought of that. It's not a bad idea, but it has a tail wagging the dog quality to it. The comments are supposed to expand on the blog post, not the other way around.
June 22, 2008, 12:25:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
I found Page 6. It was very satisfying.
June 22, 2008, 12:26:02 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
OS, you're not drifting. You think nvh and OTM are one and the same. Johnny should be able to tell.
Cece, can you link the Mrs. Philby mopping link for me? I'd like to see the link you're talking about.
June 22, 2008, 12:26:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Vince P, there's some good background controversy with page 6 and Olby you'd like that's available as well.
June 22, 2008, 12:29:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
What do you mean "link"? Mrs. R. Adrian Philby was a nick that OTM posted under on Olbermann Watch. He held long arguments with himself under another name of Rudy Ramirez.
Those posts are gone because Bob deleted them all.
OTM is this person. It may not be want to believe, but it's true.
On an unmoderated board, with the help and assistance of some fellow trolls, OTM did his best to turn OW into a board about anything other than Keith Olbermann.
June 22, 2008, 12:30:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Yet again, I give up. Go as far off topic as you want. Drift so far off topic that you reach the Earth's core.
June 22, 2008, 1:51:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
I'm aiming for the moon
June 22, 2008, 3:03:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Jeez,I never realized my identity was such an important topic. I feel like Batman.
It looks to me like some Republicans/Conservatives are using the anti-Semitism card the same way that some Democrats/Liberals use the race card,as a way of ending discussion of what should be valid and important topics of conversation.
Opposition to the building of new settlements in the occupied territories does not equate anti-Semitism.Questioning the influence of a pro-Israel lobby on US foreign policy (Mearsheimer and Walt) does not equate anti-Semitism, as some have tried (and apparently succeeded) in painting it.
June 22, 2008, 7:32:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Dog Pound trolls operating under the cover of darkness messed with the poll #'s again. If they could, they would shut down FoxNews, enact a new fairness doctrine and quite frankly they would like to shut down this site as well. They are not satisfied trading insults with each other, they wish to silence anyone that does not agree with their world view.
June 22, 2008, 7:44:26 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Fox Fan,
Besides all the of what Cecelia says, I'll just add this and end my part. NVH called OS "Oblio." Now, that may sound completely ridiculous to you (and you Johnny), but the troll at OW who ruined the site for a time called OS Oblio with a detailed, insulting explanation as to why. How many times are you going to hear the same person be referred to as Oblio? Maybe you haven't noticed how the average joe kind of guy NVH who used to make typos and use "their" for "there" and that sort of thing is becoming quite articulate lately. Slipping out of character is a fault of the troll. (I was pulling for you NVH until the Ann Richards defense on the tail of OTM...)
Ignore the trolls you say Mike C? When you do that, they create more characters and talk to each other. Why do you think OW went to a registration system? Somebody was out to sabotage the site and took much pleasure in it. Philby often could be your "friend."
There is a whole lot more I could say, but I won't. The trolls always argue that it doesn't matter what name one uses. I can't see Johnny having to delete 10,000 comments and I give him kudos for keeping the trolls in line. (and even myself when I get off topic as now).
June 22, 2008, 8:20:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
Just one more thing: if OTM commented and left off his moniker, wouldn't you know who it was? We heard from OTM for quite a long time at OW. He has been here for a few months. Nonetheless, anyone can comment here as long as the rules are followed.
June 22, 2008, 8:34:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Mike C is right, all this is getting unnecessarily off topic and distracting. Let's focus, gang.
> Dog Pound trolls operating under the cover of darkness messed with the poll #'s again.
Specifically elmonica, whom some may know from her "contributions" to ICN. Look, when people are so consumed with hate over a channel they don't even watch and a blog they (say they) never visit, it's no surprise that they'll stay up nights looking for ways to score some sort of "victory" over their latest designated windmill. Just think how proud elmonica is this morning!
June 22, 2008, 10:51:07 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I bet she spent quite a while re-voting hundreds of times. I wish I had time to do that sort of thing, but there's this thing called life. Today, for example, it consists of lawn mowing, dishes, laundry, re-potting, cleaning fish tanks, and cleaning house. On that note, toodles till later!
PS- thanks Cece, sharm, and OS for the clarifications
June 22, 2008, 11:15:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
I wish I had time to do that sort of thing, but there's this thing called life.
Good point.
Are you going to have future polls are just can the idea?
June 22, 2008, 12:10:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
The polls will continue to appear now and then, but with safeguards.
June 22, 2008, 12:16:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
NVH,
I totally disagree with your last post on a number of levels. However whenever I respond to post that is off topic (as yours was), I find that I am usually the one who gets called for it. Even though you are doing your best to bait people into going off topic with you . . . reluctantly, I guess I will pass.
June 22, 2008, 12:22:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
DeeKay
" The polls will continue to appear now and then, but with safeguards."
Good, and good. Thanks, j$. There's nothing more irritating than seeing a good poll get skewed by one or two spoilers. But I still like to see polls, and to participate in them.
Dee
June 22, 2008, 1:06:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
If I favored U Conn over Notre Dame,does that make me anti-Catholic.
by nvh/otm.....
That makes as much sense as calling me a racist because I wouldn't vote for bho. Remember that?
I noticed nvh/otm avoided this. I was hoping fora doozie.
June 22, 2008, 4:15:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Hey, remember this gem from Johnny six hours ago?
>Mike C is right, all this is getting unnecessarily off topic and distracting. Let's focus, gang.<
Please do what he says. OS, I'm especially talking to you.
June 22, 2008, 4:37:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
"fora doozie?" Is that French?
"calling me a racist because I wouldn't vote for bho."
Did somebody do that?
Because I said I recognized Ann Richards when I saw her depicted on "King of the Hill",you say I mounted an "Ann Richards defense".I wasn't even aware that anyone attacked her.
June 22, 2008, 5:45:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Last paragraph (above) for sharm
June 22, 2008, 5:48:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
The New York Times has just leaked the name of a CIA Agent.
Anyone taking bets about what a non-story this will be?
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/06/ny-times-leaks.html
In an astonishing stroke of irony, the New York Times has outed the name of the CIA operative who interrogated 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, over the objections of CIA Director Michael V. Hayden and a lawyer representing the operative.
Edited By Siteowner
June 22, 2008, 6:01:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
"FNC success scientifically explained" is 10 min of my life i'm never getting back
June 22, 2008, 6:27:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
I read the story on Drudge, Vince. Fascinating. Whereas the question of Plame's status of covert or not covert was never transparent, the status of the CIA operative was very clear. Media coverage? What are the odds?
June 22, 2008, 6:42:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
It is really hard for me to believe that Greta woke up one morning and said, "I am bored. I think I will give up my show on CNN and see if I can get a similar gig on Fox. Of course, I will ask for no more money than I receive at CNN."
It just does not add up. There is something she is not telling.
Of course, she is probably getting better ratings on Fox than she would on CNN. That might be part of the answer.
June 22, 2008, 7:33:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
My! My! My! I go off to help with a palanca weekend and come back to, what, a spirited discussion of cable news? The ugly dog on F&F? Today's panel discussion on FNS? Brazile's analysis of Obama's money situation? A review of Williams on MTP? No. Cecelia pulling the Rambler away from the carport and loading it up with mounds of beat up, battered old luggage, no doubt for a long trip with all of her friends (not to worry, the Rambler is big enough, even with all of the luggage, to hold all of her friends) to visit the birthplace of Warren G. Harding, and other sites associated with fond childhood figures. Let's just all hope Grammie remembered to drain the sweet pickles before she put them in the tuna salad last time. Nothing worse than a soggy tuna sandwich as you're driving across Kansas.
I notice that after I left on Friday, Sharon posed the question: How do the Olbermannicphobes increase his popularity? The answer is really very simple and it informs all of us in how we ought to handle those things in our lives which peeve us (in my case, Sean Hannity, for example) and on this site.
Olbermann, one of the dimmer bulbs in the box, to be sure, recognizes that everytime BOR attacks him, it draws attention to him. Of course, BOR even goes one step more by never saying Olbermann's name. A mystery and an allure are created. And, everyone who dislikes BOR will assume that they like Olbermann. It's a foo'ls game, but image and name recognition are the substance, if you will, of television.
Then, a site devoted purely to the denigration of Olbermann? How many people have that? That all rather magnifies Olbermann to presidential status, doesn't it. Ever heard of Smirking Chimp? Then, if the curious ever read the Olbermann denigration site, what do you suppose they think of the manical, illiterate rantings of a Jeff/Royal King or the mindless, albeit voluminous cultic musings of others. Don't you suppose readers will say something akin to, "Gee, this Olbermann might have something if nut cases like this don't like him. I'll go check him out." Even Cox recognized this during one of his site shut-downs or when he was out raising money to chisel Teddy Rooselvelt off Mt. Rushmore and put Bush in his place. Cox specifically said that site might have the opposite effect. Rather clearly, it has.
To be sure, there were so well-reasoned, intelligent, articulate posting at the site, by some very wise people. But, the site as a whole certainly fed into what has unfortunately become the Olbermann allure. And, now that the site has deteriorated, I am sure it ceases to feed the allure, as I am sure BOR will cease to do when Ailes or someone else finally orders him to just cool it.
When we give publicity to these personalities, good or bad, we build them up. Factual discussions chip away at the allure. When the allure is gone, they are gone. That is one of the reasons I am sure Johnny (and Mike) work to keep this on topic. And, everytime one of these baggage-toting expeditions or name game marathons starts up, it hurts this site and its goals. In the end, they are always mere narcicisstic exercises about the person toting the bagge or playing the game and not the site and the topic.
June 22, 2008, 7:33:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Then, a site devoted purely to the denigration of Olbermann? How many people have that?
Bill O'Reilly. Sean Hannity. Lou Dobbs. I could probably find another half dozen in minutes if I wanted to.
June 22, 2008, 7:39:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
They do not have the same IP address.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.21.08 - 11:54 pm | #
Thank you, Johnny, not that it will do any good with these folks.
June 22, 2008, 7:43:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
But, that makes my point, Johnny. I have never visited these sites, unless you include the unfortunate NH as one. If BOR, Hannity and Dobbs have these sites, and so does Olbermann, isn't he more-or-less raised to their level?
June 22, 2008, 7:45:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OTM,
You seem to be selective in your analysis. I wonder why. I mean, just about every Fox personality has a dog (at nH) who is assigned to denigrate him or her. NH is far more excessive in its criticisms. Posters at NH seem much more mentally imbalanced than you find at this (or I daresay) the OW site. Article writers are allowed to flame Fox personalities and posters are allowed to flame other posters with no corrective action taken by the siteowners. This site and OW are tame in their content compared to NH.
So why did you focus you analysis exclusively on the more responsible site (OW)? Why did you leave the more flagrantly irresponsible site (NH) out of your analysis entirely?
June 22, 2008, 7:50:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Eric
It's amusing that Johnny is basically unable to quote or link to stories about people joining Fox (as he links to a column about Huckabee joining Fox) without running into those pesky reminders from the writers that Fox is in the tank for the Republican Party.
June 22, 2008, 7:54:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Eric,
You really have a good imagination. Just like you imagined that Begala and Carville are bewailing the fact that they are not invited to be on Fox more. When, as it turns out, they have a contractual relationship with CNN that does not allow them to go on Fox.
Dream on Eric. Dream on!
June 22, 2008, 8:01:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
First, I don't know NH very well. I tend to imagine I visit it far less than you have, Danny. It is an extremely poor site. Shoddy writing, shoddy design, not balance or counter-balance.
Secondly, OW, when it is on topic, bores me very quickly. It is a well-designed site and some of the writing is actually very good. But, how many times does anyone really want to read about Olbermann's orange-tinged skin, for example. I suppose if I were more interested in Olbermann, positively or negatively, OW would interest me more.
At this point, I probably ought to add I think Cox and Dollar, particularly Dollar, could do a first class general political website. With good writing and links and top notch analysis, of which Follar is capable, the culls would be weeded out quickly.
Thirdly, I like this site. It serves a purpose. It discharges its mission. It also provides good information and good discussion (save and except the meanderings of some). Anything I say that appears to be a criticism of this site is fully constructive (at least by intent), and is not an endorsement of any other site, particularly not NH. Indeed, my favorties, in the politics folder, are few, First Read, ABC, Politico, Huffington and this site. I hold it in high esteem, and I want the very best for it.
June 22, 2008, 8:10:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
Life must be so unfair when you're on the Left and you have to project onto everything so that you can feel yourself superior to it, and then call it a name/-ist/-ophobe so that you can bring it down. And then all the hateful bile .. all the thoughts of rape of death.. you can image that that thing is the epitome of all that is evil.. and you, gentile Leftist.. loving Leftist,.. kind and empathetic Leftist, shower it with your love.. warm it with your heart of joy. Use it as if it is a cigar and you are Monica Lewinsky.
You are a Leftist. You never have to apologize.
June 22, 2008, 8:18:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OTM,
In your piece, I thought you meant to be critical of OW as an end. I did not realize that you brought up OW solely as pedagogical tool to instruct Johnny how to avoid making mistakes. I did not realize that your sole objective was to prevent Johnny from lessening the quality of his site.
June 22, 2008, 8:23:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Indeed, my favorties, in the politics folder, are few, First Read, ABC, Politico, Huffington and this site. I hold it in high esteem
That's good to know, but this is not a political site.
June 22, 2008, 8:38:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Vince and Danny, you are both very good writers, the shock of the cold water was refreshing and necessary. I do sometimes get a bit overblown.
No, Johnny, this is not political, but I don't have a Cable News folder, and you are part of my morning routine.
June 22, 2008, 8:42:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I think OTM is correct in his compliment to you that you would be an excellent writer for a political site, johnny. You should post the links when you do post on political sites, if you do that anymore.
I have folders in my bookmarks, and this site is miscategorized under "Political" on all of my computers.
June 22, 2008, 8:45:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Vince P
OTM: If i had a cable news tuner, I'd set it to your channel.
June 22, 2008, 8:45:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I'm watching Red Eye on my DVR right now. I just realized that Gutfeld outs Mike Baker as a prior CIA agent on every episode that Baker takes part in! Gutfeld obviously hates America.
June 22, 2008, 9:05:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Thank you, Johnny, not that it will do any good with these folks.
On The Mark | 06.22.08 - 7:48 pm | #
That doesn't get you off the hook. Since Ip #'s can be changed at the click of a mouse. Or, you have 2 pc's with different carriers. It's not rocket science, teach. Or, are you still a judge? One never knows.
June 22, 2008, 9:47:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"calling me a racist because I wouldn't vote for bho."
Did somebody do that?
by nvf
Yes, you're partner in crime, otm did. Under a different name, of course.
June 22, 2008, 9:59:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
The non-technical solution is library, coffee joint, behind Best Buy.
Proxies and onion routers are the technical solutions.
June 22, 2008, 10:00:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I'm still assuming the duality of nvh and OTM, but hey, I assume the best in people. Occasionally, to my detriment.
June 22, 2008, 10:01:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
It is really hard for me to believe that Greta woke up one morning and said, "I am bored. I think I will give up my show on CNN and see if I can get a similar gig on Fox. Of course, I will ask for no more money than I receive at CNN."
by danny
danny, I don't think Greta is doing her show for the money. She has enough for all of us.
June 22, 2008, 10:03:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
"She has enough for all of us."
I smell a socialist in the group! McCarthy, where are you!?!
June 22, 2008, 10:19:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
What could be more self-serving than for the man of a thousand aliases to call it "baggage" for anyone to remember his shenanigans.
It's rather like the unspoken rules of households headed by a narcissistic authority figure. Not only are the other members supposed to accept the authority figure's pernicious games, but the memory of each caper is to disappear down some rabbit hole, never to be referenced or thought of again, and any conduct to contrary is the height of irrational mean-spirited victimization of our "special" guy...
What a grand world it would be if everyone would just accept our narcissist at face value. What grand time he could have then, alternately stroking and punishing all the other silly little creatures.
Well, too bad, OTM, that there are so many of us who know you only too well. Who WILL bring up the days when you were frequently in full fey wrist-to-forehead supercilious drama over the unworthiness and the deceptive Countdown summaries of Mr. Dollar, and all in order to agitate others who, while not so hissy-fitty as you, were only too willing to unload an avalanche of off color insults.
It took the software version of an electrified fence to keep your twisted self off Olbermann Watch. Polite requests that you leave, to outings of your aliases weren't enough.
That's the way it is here too. You've said your goodbyes at least twice now, and reappeared for some reason or another.
But this is a meditated blog and you've got to wooo and seduce rather than to stampede.
I guess the big question is who is paying you? Or is it just your own zealotry?
All of us who have experienced you on OW, are only too aware that it's certainly all your own deep and abiding disdain.
June 22, 2008, 10:22:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Burn! Sorry Mark, but that was scathing.
June 22, 2008, 10:27:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
And, were they the words of a rational individual, grounded in fact, moved by logic, tempered by reason, I would be reaching for the aloe vera. As it is, I can scarcely see the keyboard through my tears of laughter. This is so far off topic, so deranged and derivative, that I shall cede the last word to those who find solace and fulfillment in such drivel and comment only upon topics relevant to this site, content to let others meander down yet another inane, insane, paranoid pathway.
June 22, 2008, 10:38:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
You are both very illustrative writers. I can't help but to appreciate both sides. Carry on, I will fade back...
June 22, 2008, 10:43:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
OS,
I have no idea what it was: Could have been money; could have been the opportunity for higher ratings; could have been that she was more unhappy with circumstances at CNN than she is willing to admit publicly.
One thing I know for sure: She didn't just wake up one morning bored, so she decided to ease over into a gig at Fox to bring excitement to her life.
There is a lot more than she is telliing us.
June 22, 2008, 10:48:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Just be sure to give the other fifteen voices in your head the same spiel, Mark.
Your "gang of five" is watching.
June 22, 2008, 10:50:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
Thanks for the Zakaria link.
I do believe that this program is proof of just how good cable news can be. The program, unlike so many on ALL of the cable news networks assumes that the viewer comes to the program with some understanding of national and international news and has some ability to understand the spoken word. In other words, the program respects me as a viewer.
The program is filled with wonderful, solid information and interesting perspectives.
Although I agree with the reviewer that the title is unfortunate, I think this is the finest program on cable or broadcast television.
June 22, 2008, 11:10:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
How many posters do we have at this site who have identified themselves as being from Great Britain? I know that Fox has a sister network in England, but I doubt that network carries many of the Fox prime time News Shows.
How accessible are Fox prime time news shows to English people? Why would not English posters be more concerned about English news personalities than American news personalities? Are there sites that criticize (even denigrate) British news personalities, similar to what we have here?
Just curious.
June 22, 2008, 11:13:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Interesting question, danny. I've noticed the prevalence of British folks here too. What gives?
June 22, 2008, 11:14:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
FF,
I bet dollar has at least some of the answers.
June 22, 2008, 11:16:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
It wouldn't be to his disadvantage if he disclosed said answers.
June 22, 2008, 11:19:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
FF,
That thought had not even occurred to me.
June 22, 2008, 11:20:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
The Crimson Executioner
Is Cavuto on the Big Oil Take? Is Exxon paying him to lie?
Hey - George Will issued a retraction:
"In a previous column, I stated that China, in partnership with Cuba, is drilling for oil 60 miles from the Florida coast. While Cuba has partnered with Chinese companies to drill in the Florida Straits, no Chinese company has been involved in Cuba's oil exploration that close to the United States."
Administration: Cheney erred in oil exploration comment
By H. JOSEF HEBERT
Associated Press
WASHINGTON Vice President Dick Cheney's office acknowledged on Thursday that he was mistaken when he asserted that China, at Cuba's behest, is drilling for oil in waters 60 miles from the Florida coast...
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5834227.html
So, 9 days after the disgusting Republican liars are exposed peddling their manure on Fox "News", why is Cavuto perptuating the lie?
Neil "the liar" Cavuto on June 20...
"...But, if you get more bang for your buck, congressman, off the Everglades, 50 miles off the Florida coast, 50 miles ah, on the western side of the Florida coast, on the Gulf of Mexico where the Chinese are drilling..."
But he's not the only Republican slime lying to throw red meat to the idiots to allow drilling under the ridiculous notion that we can "drill our way out" of $4.00 gas... (Yes, that optimistic 0.02% added to the world supply will drop prices by - oh - whaddya think? A buck or two a gallon at the pump?)
Cavuto - shameless, brazen, willful, boldface stinkin' liar who is treating his viewers like brain dead losers. I hope Exxon is paying him - at least, for these lies.
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Hey - where's the video and pictures of that huge Chinese oil rig 50 miles off the coast of Florida... (Hilarious what they try to pull, sad that idiots out there believe it... But, the GOP has become a cult so it's not so surprising. Sad but not surprising.)
Now defend sleazy slime bucket Cavuto and his laughable boldface stinkin' lie...
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June 22, 2008, 11:53:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
"She has enough for all of us."
I smell a socialist in the group! McCarthy, where are you!?!
Fox Fan | 06.22.08 - 10:24 pm | #
That's not what I meant. Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
June 22, 2008, 11:58:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
I shall cede the last word to those who find solace and fulfillment in such drivel and comment only upon topics relevant to this site, content to let others meander down yet another inane, insane, paranoid pathway.
On The Mark | 06.22.08 - 10:43 pm | #
Good idea.
June 23, 2008, 12:08:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
The Crimson Executioner | Homepage | 06.22.08 - 11:58
See what happens when you get your news from carp#t munch#rs? Horribly misguided.
June 23, 2008, 12:12:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
See what happens when you try to have a fair and balanced poll, Johnny? It gets hijacked by the far left loons. Twice.
June 23, 2008, 12:32:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
OS, you're not paranoid if they're really out to get you...
Remember this little gem from Mr. Bored Stiff by Olbermann, that Grammie found on the Olbermann fan site Thankyoukeitholbermann blog:
"I think he's [Keith Olbermann] really hit a nerve, and hsi detractors are feeling some heat. Has anyone taken a look at Olbermann Watch lately? A complete purge. If you criticize FOX or agree with Olbermann, you're gone. Stalinistic group is Cox, Dollar and the infamous gang of four over there.
On The Mark | 02.08.08 - 3:13 pm |"
http://thank-you-keith-olbermann...n.blogspot.com/
June 23, 2008, 12:34:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
CE
Ok, CE's post has now been edited by the siteowner. If what remains is on topic then here is my defense of Cavuto, Republicans, and others he has disparaged:
we need to quit fiddling around (while Rome is figuratively burning) worrying what we can't do. We need to treat the steady rise in oil prices as a national security crisis. We need a full court press to solve it which encompasses drilling for more oil use of available technology to reduce oil spending (including building nuclear reactors) and research into a new technologies that can supplant oil. It is not an either or proposition as CE has tried to make it.
Since we can't pivot on a dime and we will be somewhat dependent on oil for the next several decades, we should drill wherever we can. That includes drilling off shore ( Louisiana is doing an admirable job of this already); drilling in protected wilderness areas, and drilling in Anwar. Hell, I say drill in the Grand Canyon and drill on the White House lawn if it will add even one more barrel a day. If it would soften our dependence on foreign oil even a little.
At the same time, we need to have a Manhattan Project to research using renewable fuel to power our cars. Understand that we don't even have a working model of such a car yet. Once we get that model it will take some time to put the new technology and the new delivery systems in place. That means that it will take time before our society can fully utilize the new technology (hopefully we find one). This is what Cavuto understands which CE does not. We can do it quicker though if we really treat the oil crises as a national emergency.
The fools and the liars are the ones who keep coming up with reasons why we cannot solve the problems. The smart people are the ones who say "yes we can," and are willing to do whatever it takes to overcome this threat to our economy and our security. Even if it takes a full court press.
June 23, 2008, 12:56:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Is that post taken from here or the tyko blog? The link didn't work.
June 23, 2008, 12:59:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
The thankyoukeitholbermann blog, which I believe is now defunct.
awwww....
June 23, 2008, 1:11:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Nope, the site is still around.
Here's the link. Just pull down the comment section under the six "atta boys!" (for Keith Olbermann) in order to read Mark's "atta boy"...
http://tinyurl.com/5ulkxw
June 23, 2008, 1:21:21 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
That, from someone who has time and time again said they can't stand Olbermahn? As recent as today? Rich, I tell ya.' Just rich.
June 23, 2008, 1:28:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Olbermann, one of the dimmer bulbs in the box, to be sure,
by otm
Just today.
June 23, 2008, 1:34:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
Thanks for the link Cecelia. Puts a new light on a lot of things.
All the nice things Mark has said about Johnny, and now we find that Mark really thinks that Dollar is Stalinist. I'll bet dollar is devastated!
I wonder who else is in the "infamous gang of four." Are you a member, Cecelia? What do you have to do to make the list?
I am also wondering if CE is a OTM sock puppet. CE appeared out of nowhere just as OTM's motor was running down,
June 23, 2008, 1:45:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
The executioner is a newshound. The rest I haven't looked in to.
June 23, 2008, 1:48:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Danny, OTM is an agent provocateur.
Never trust a word he utters.
June 23, 2008, 3:09:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Hey OS, I was just being funny saying you're a socialist above. The quote from you was just a good sarcasm opportunity.
June 23, 2008, 7:06:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
danny | 06.23.08 - 1:01 am |
I generally agree with MOST of the practical steps that you laid out in your post. Small disagreement about the usefulness of expanded drilling (my fear being that small,marginal discoveries will provide an excuse to continue doing nothing in terms of conservation/alternatives),but I'm sure we could work that out.
However,how your post was a defence of Cavuto is difficult to understand.Are you saying that since we're in deep doo-doo that it's alright to pass along false information,as long as it get's people excited to do the right thing.That's an almost classic example of propoganda.
And if this is not what you are saying,I apologize,but you need to clarify your defence of Cavuto.What does awareness and action on a problem have to do with reporting false news?
June 23, 2008, 7:14:53 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
How accessible are Fox prime time news shows to English people? Why would not English posters be more concerned about English news personalities than American news personalities? Are there sites that criticize (even denigrate) British news personalities, similar to what we have here?
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There are some who post here from time-to-time who are much better able to address your questions than I. I am one of those Britexans, a person who commutes back and forth at least once a month. In the airport lounges at IAH or LGW, this is a frequent topic of conversation.
Although Murdoch has a great influence, perhaps a diminishing one, in British media, FNC has no real presence on British television. In fact, if it did, it would be rather confusing to the British. Murdoch was an avid Thatcherite, then shifted sharply to the left and was an equally avid Blairian. I think it safe to say Murdoch is not longer held up to be a prototype rightie in the UK, although he is still very much a boob exploiter.
Your use of "personality" is so interesting. In the US, news people are accorded star treatment, a factor that, in my view, compromises journalistic integrity. In the UK, television anchors are generally referred to as "news readers" or "news presenters," which seems to be highly descriptive. I think the British would be generally disparaging of a presenter who, himself or herself, became the subject of the news. Generally, the only real break I have ever detected in the rather stoic approach is on the morning news shows. John Turnbull, for example, BBC, sometimes "Breakfast," finds himself the subject of blog entries from time-to-time, such as the following:
http://caughtinthemiddleman.wordpress.com/2008/03/12/whatever-happened-to-the-news/
Generally, however, I think the more staid approach rules. That may explain the keen interest in the steamier American version.
June 23, 2008, 8:19:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply
On The Mark
I am also wondering if CE is a OTM sock puppet. CE appeared out of nowhere just as OTM's motor was running down,
danny | 06.23.08 - 1:50 am | #
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If I were you, Danny, I would assume that anyone who doesn't parrot Cecelia's opinion is I, because surely there is only one (1) person in the world who does not fall in line behind her. You could ask Johnny to perform an IP search, of course, but if the results support Cecelia's position, it will be because of the infallibility of the IP investigative tool, wheareas if the results do not support her position, it will be because anyone can manipulate IP addresses. Let's not be logically inconsistent, please.
By the way, I stand by my the oft-cut and pasted quotation. In fairness to all readers and posters, perhaps we should post it in a permanent pane. That will certainly save Cecelia from reposting ad nauseum.
At the time I made that post I believed that to be absolutely true. And, while the purge has left OW a vast wasteland, as I was sure it would, I have developed an enormous respect for this site and for Johnny. Perhaps, I should apologize for changing my opinion in light of new facts known to me or old facts more clearly seen by me. I will not do so, however. I reserve the right to change my opinion when warranted.
June 23, 2008, 11:13:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
When ip's confirmed you were using several names on OW, you said it didn't prove anything. Now, all of the sudden, they prove everything? Give me a break.
June 23, 2008, 12:12:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
TOPIC DRIFT!!! AGAIN!!!! WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN TO ME?!!!
June 23, 2008, 12:16:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I have no information (and I take no position) regarding whether China is helping Cuba drill off-shore. To me, that is a trivial point (although I think that the fact that Cuba and Brazil and other Latin American countries are drilling off shore is instructive).
More specifically I was reacting to these sentences from CEs post:But he's not the only Republican slime lying to throw red meat to the idiots to allow drilling under the ridiculous notion that we can "drill our way out" of $4.00 gas... (Yes, that optimistic 0.02% added to the world supply will drop prices by - oh - whaddya think? A buck or two a gallon at the pump?)
I doubt that Cavuto thinks that drilling (by itself) is ultimately the solution to our energy problem. However, I congratulate Cavuto for using his influence to get us to get serious about oil exploration; because (as I said in my post) that is part of the solution of the problem.
CE says that allowing more drilling is ridiculous. I say (and I think Cavuto would agree) what is ridiculous is pinning all of our hopes on a future technology that hasnt been developed yet. That approach would have us resemble the characters in the play Waiting for Godot; they passively wasted time, doing nothing, while waiting for the coming of some vague entity named Godot. Godot (whoever or whatever that is) would solve all their problems.
As I said in my post, we need to act now, and not be passive. A large part of acting now is to drastically increase our domestic oil production and refining.
Especially since we cannot pivot on a dime with respect to what we use for fuel, we need people like Cavuto to encourage oil production. We dont need idiots lecturing us on the futility of attempting to produce more oil. How much domestic oil we can produce if we really got serious about the problem is probably closer to what we find in the following article than what CE said in his post. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/06
But, as I said in my post, we have not fully solved the threat to our economy and our national security until we have moved radically to another source of fuel. NVH, I am glad you agree fundamentally with the practical steps outlined in my previous post.
Generally, our news industry (including cable news) is given a certain protections under our constitution. Thomas Jefferson and John Adams believed that a free press has a vital mission in a democracy to keep the people informed. In this time of national emergency (and here is where I am somewhat in agreement with you NVH), Cavuto and others in cable news have failed in their mission by not more clearly calling for a full court press to solve our national emergency.
June 23, 2008, 2:16:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
OK, no more talk in this thread about IP addresses, multiple names, or the wisdom of drilling. Cable news. Cable news. Cable news.
June 23, 2008, 2:33:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
danny
I have developed an enormous respect for this site and for Johnny
Mark,
You have to admit that your "atta boy" comment was not very respectful to Johnny. In fact, I say that calling him "Stalinist" is grossly disrespectful.
If I am not mistaken, additions can still be made to that "atta boy" comments section. Since you say that your opinion has changed, wouldn't the honorable thing for you to do be the following: go back to that comments section and post a correction? Also, an apology to Johnny would be in order.
If you don't at least attempt to do those things, I will continue to doubt your sincerity. I will also not take any future post of yours seriously.
I doubt that I am alone.
June 23, 2008, 3:01:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Indeed you aren't alone, Danny.
Bravo!
June 23, 2008, 11:24:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
