'A Disease Is Permeating the Leadership'


J$P Instant Transcript! Michelle Malkin talks to Mr Bill O'Reilly about hatred from the left.



From The O'Reilly Factor, November 1 2005:

BILL O'REILLY [FOX NEWS]: Fox News analyst and syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin has a new book out, called Unhinged: Exposing Liberals Gone Wild. Wow. Now reading the book this weekend I was struck by the vicious attacks on Michelle herself. In fact, on the back of the book she prints the email addresses of certain people who have called her vile names. Michelle Malkin joins us now. Good for you.

MICHELLE MALKIN: Thank you.

O'REILLY: Good for you. Because this stuff's got to stop. It has to stop, the threats. They go after you because you're Asian, correct?

MALKIN: I think that's part of it. And I certainly did not want to whitewash how vitriolic and hate-filled and bigoted the left can be. I think it is a dirty little secret that it is a myth that the left has some sort of moral superiority over the right on these kinds of issues.

O'REILLY: Nobody could believe that and look at the internet.

MALKIN: Well yes, certainly.

O'REILLY: Right, the left-wing smear websites are worse than the right-wing smear websites. But I have to tell you, we got in a controversy with the two Latina columnists, one at Dallas Morning News and one at the Denver Post. They both said the same thing, that after I criticized them they got hate mail about their ethnicity. So I think there are unstable people on both sides of the coin.

MALKIN: Well, there's no question about that. But I think that there is a unique level of hypocrisy when these kind of attacks--people making fun of my maiden name for its ethnic sound for example. Talking about my slanted eyes and calling me a gook and telling me to go back to VietNam or China. This is the left that has always postured itself as above the fray and more civil and more tolerant and more understanding than those of us on the right. I mean everybody, everybody argues that the right--

O'REILLY: There is--but I never bought that for a minute.

MALKIN: Well of course not.

O'REILLY: See, I went through the VietNam era, which you didn't. Because you're younger than I am, OK?

MALKIN: A little, yeah.

O'REILLY: A little. And I saw the hatred that the SDS and the student groups--it was far beyond trying to bring the troops home. It was rank hatred. And right then and there I knew that there aren't any difference. Zealots are zealots. Fanatics are fanatics. And they'll do anything and say anything, and they want to destroy you. And now, you go to these left-wing websites and you see what they're putting out there. But you had enough guts to do--I should have done what you did. I should have put these emails on, and I probably will from now on, the ones that threaten my life and my family and all of that, and just say, here. You did it, and I'm happy you did it. Now, liberals unhinged. Is that fair? We just had Bill Richardson on. He's not unhinged.

MALKIN: No, he's not. But what I do argue is that a lot of the violence, a lot of the paranoia, the conspiracy theories, a lot of this hatred that I talk about is not relegated to the fringes of the left. We're talking about something that is permeating, a disease that is permeating the leadership, up to the top. It wasn't just some fringe crackpot on some college campus who was suggesting on a radio station, for example, that President Bush was tipped off to 9/11. That was the head of the Democratic National Committee.

O'REILLY: Howard Dean.

MALKIN: Howard Dean.

O'REILLY: Right. But Howard Dean in my estimation is a far-left fanatic. And I think that's why he didn't win the Democratic nomination, because Democrats said he is unhinged. Now--

MALKIN: But no they didn't. They put him in charge of the party.

O'REILLY: No they didn't, no. The folks didn't put him in charge. That was a backdoor deal. You know how that goes. He can't get elected to anything, this guy, all right? Because the folks know that he's dangerous, and he--

MALKIN: Yeah, they put him in charge of electing everybody else. I mean, come on.

O'REILLY: No, I'll tell you what. I mean, a lot of Democrats don't like him. They really don't. They see that he is dangerous and the fact that he is a bomb-thrower and irresponsible. And I do agree with you that there are certain liberals who are unhinged. Look at the Air America network. I mean, that's a disgrace. And it's going down the drain. But these calling for assassinations, I mean, they're way over the top.

MALKIN: But the silence is very telling. Because it's very rare that you see mainstream Democrats condemning crackpots, condemning people who wish for the President to be killed--

O'REILLY: But let me ask you this? Do you see mainstream conservatives condemning Michael Savage?

MALKIN: All the time.

O'REILLY: You do?

MALKIN: Of course we do. In fact, again I think that this is something that the mainstream media does not recognize. It is in fact conservatives who are very outspoken in condemning fringe people and people who are extremist on the right side of the aisle. The Trent Lott episode for example. A lot of mainstream conservatives were pivotal in decrying Trent Lott's remarks at Strom Thurmond's party.

O'REILLY: So you believe that the strain of fanaticism on the left is much more intense than the strain of fanaticism on the right?

MALKIN: I do, and I also think that there's a level of sanctimony on the left and in the party, and a refusal to deal with reality, that stretches up to the top of the party that you do not see in the Republican party. And also there's the double standard in the media. I'll give you a very specific recent example.

O'REILLY: Ah, there's no question about that.

MALKIN: There's no question about it but, when Pat Robertson for example suggested that the dictator in Venezuela should be assassinated, it was all over the tv. I mean, it was wall-to-wall coverage on every morning tv show. But when Randi Rhodes--you just mentioned Air America and we've talked about this before--but when she joked about President Bush being assassinated twice on the air, there was no condemnation at all. The New York Times editorialized about the Pat Robertson thing; they said nothing about Randi Rhodes.

O'REILLY: Well, all you have to do, all you have to do is count up how many papers review your book, and compare them to every left-wing smear book that comes out who they can't get to fast enough. You know the great story is I've had three New York Times best sellers--they don't review any of them, OK?

MALKIN: That's right.

O'REILLY: Now, there's no question that the media enables these people to do what they do. And if the same scrutiny was brought to bear on them than was brought to bear on the right, maybe they wouldn't do it. So anyway, very good book, very specific. I'm sorry you have to go through all this. I'm a mean guy and I deserve to get whacked around I guess. But you're nice, and you don't deserve that. It must be tough on your family and stuff.

MALKIN: Well, it is, but you learn to grow a thick skin after a while and you have a good sense of humor. But there is a really serious point behind this book as well too--

O'REILLY: There is, there is, right.

MALKIN: --which is to turn the mirror on that ugliness and to get them to stop.

O'REILLY: OK, Michelle. Well if anybody can do it, you can. Buy Michelle's book, Unhinged, and we appreciate you coming in.

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