'They Are Some of the Best People I Know'

posted: Sat - February 17, 2007 at 09:29 PM       j$p  send 

Fox Fan
The problem is that *some people* have already surrendered. It IS possible to have a free and democratic Iraq, but with *some people* tossing wrenches in the gears at every opportunity (recently exemplified with the "non-binding resolution") the chances are greatly reduced. Our efforts there are noble, a positive trait that is obviously lost on *some people*.
February 18, 2007, 12:55:27 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
The elections, contrary to what Geraldo said, were not a referendum on the war. Voters cited corruption, not the war, as their biggest annoyance.
February 19, 2007, 3:49:54 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Fox Fan
Is this based on your 'polls', Tom?
February 19, 2007, 6:55:02 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Ira
Well Tom, please tell it to Nancy Pelosi, Jack Murtha, Harry Reid. et.al.
 
They sure are acting like it was a referendum on the war. As are all the liberal Fox News Contributors!
February 19, 2007, 7:39:36 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
"Is this based on your 'polls', Tom?"
 
Your ignorance isn't my problem.
 
"As are all the liberal Fox News Contributors!"
 
Good thing for you that you don't have to hear what they have to say that often, since Estrich only writes a column for the website and practically never appears on television anymore, and H&C only have Republicans as regulars for solo interviews, i.e. Dick Morris, Ann Coulter and Newt Gingrich (just tonight for Morris, in fact, two separate segments).
 
Fox News liberals? LoL. I bet you can count them on one hand. You need a phonebook for Fox News conservatives.
February 19, 2007, 11:00:13 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Fox Fan
Your poll has an error margin of +/- total irrelevance.
 
Nice try skirting Ira's point. It was the fact that all leftist politicians and the leftist media took the November elections as a referendum on the war. Your 3:54 post is null and void.
February 19, 2007, 11:07:25 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
Polls all showed the same results. Go look them up yourself. If you don't know that already you're fairly ignorant and shouldn't be commenting on politics. The war in Iraq was the second biggest issue.
 
But what's the point is arguing with someone who is so breathtakingly stupid that he believes Bill O'Reilly is an "independent" and anything other than a partisan right-wing Republican.
February 19, 2007, 11:23:59 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
By the way, O'Reilly lied through his teeth tonight and claimed that Kirsten Powers was a "LIBERAL". She's a conservative anti-abortion, anti-stem cell research Democrat.
February 19, 2007, 11:26:05 PM EST – Like – Reply

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johnny dollar
Yeah, I just checked out her blog. Right, she's no liberal. How could anyone get that impression? Hahahaa!
February 20, 2007, 1:36:12 AM EST – Like – Reply

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Fox Fan
"Polls all showed the same results. Go look them up yourself. If you don't know that already you're fairly ignorant and shouldn't be commenting on politics. The war in Iraq was the second biggest issue."
 
The polls are useless compared to much larger statistics. What is the #1 topic on ANY politically oriented site? Not just in the articles, but in the comments made by millions of real people. Almost all debates end up at the same place. The war.
 
You could partisanly spin that the war is the result of "corruption" to add to your numbers, but the war is still the central issue.
 
Compared to you Tom, O'Reilly is a far-left SP.
February 20, 2007, 7:09:32 AM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
"Yeah, I just checked out her blog. Right, she's no liberal. How could anyone get that impression? Hahahaa!"
 
http://www.newshounds.us/2006/10/01/democratic_strategist_kirsten_powers_boasts_about_supporting_bush_torture_bill_and_other_republican_talking_points_while_knocking_democrats_who_criticize_bush.php
 
Try reading a little and doing a little research. If you can't do that, don't put up a site defending Fox News if you don't have anything to back it up with. Powers is a conservative weasel.
February 20, 2007, 11:27:15 AM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
http://www.newshounds.us/2006/10/01/democratic_strategist_kirsten_powers_boasts_about_supporting_bush_torture_bill_and_other_republican_talking_points_while_knocking_democrats_who_criticize_bush.php
 
And if you really read her blog, Johnny, which you didn't, you would have noticed a little further back posts of conservative orientation. For example, she argues against the existence of a public school system.
 
Yeah, REAL liberal.
February 20, 2007, 11:30:18 AM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
Oh, by the way, Johnny, I need a good laugh. Tell me, do you think Pat Caddell is a liberal too? Seriously, I need a good laugh right now.
February 20, 2007, 11:31:41 AM EST – Like – Reply

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johnny dollar
He endorsed Howard Dean for President. You tell me, what does that make him? A Rosicrucian?
February 20, 2007, 11:40:31 AM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
No, he didn't. He called Howard Dean a "thug" and the Democratic part a "confederacy of gangsters" and said that Democrats "killed" Terri Schiavo. I guess you missed that. You tend to miss things when you spend most of your time lying.
February 20, 2007, 12:13:23 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
*Democratic Party
 
I also notice you don't have any rebuttal to my pointing out how Powers is a conservative weasel.
 
Can't win the debate, so you're not going to bother trying, eh?
February 20, 2007, 12:14:21 PM EST – Like – Reply

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johnny dollar
Oh please. I'm supposed to believe the newsliars? Catching them in hundreds of lies is not enough for you? Do I have to catch them in another 300 lies?
 
As for Cadell, he supported Dean for President. If you say he didn't, you're a liar. The comments you quote from him are from Dean's post-election run as DNC Chairman. Cadell did NOT support him for DNC Chairman, for strategic reasons.
 
So you tell me how someone who backs Dean for President is not a liberal. And try to do it wthout lying or citing proven liars as your "proof".
February 20, 2007, 12:32:24 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
No, Caddell quit being a liberal in 2004 about halfway through the election, after Dean lost. He spent all of his time attacking Democrats and kissing up to Republicans. He's not a liberal. And no, endorsing a candidate DOES NOT Make you either a liberal or a conservative. That's like saying that because Rudy Guiliani endorsed Bush in 2004, that's he a conservative, and something makes me doubt you will buy that. No, what makes someone liberal or conservative on the issues.
 
Caddell is conservative on the issues of homosexual marriage/rights, Schiavo, the war in Iraq, etc...
 
Likewise, Powers is pro-life, anti-stem cell research, opposed the Schiavo decision (which puts her to the right of 80% of the American people)
 
She's a conservative weasel and Malkin's little pet Democrat. She even does videos with Malkin on Hot Air.com If a so-called Republican on MSNBC did videos with Daily Kos, you'd claim he was a fake.
 
And you'd be right.
February 20, 2007, 4:00:43 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
Looks like Johnny's got no response.
February 21, 2007, 11:40:59 AM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
Oh, by the way, Johnny, you can now take down your site. Rupert Murdoch has ADMITTED that Fox News ran propaganda for Bush's leadup to the Iraq invasion.
 
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/business/news/e3i96671211ab370128cc4b4c4eb880c08c
 
Asked if his News Corp. managed to shape the agenda on the war in Iraq, Murdoch said: "No, I don't think so. We tried." Asked by Rose for further comment, he said: "We basically supported the Bush policy in the Middle East..
 
Gotta love it. Transparently admitting that he's a whore for the Bush administration, and then trying to weasel out of it by saying, "We're criticized the execution..." which is like saying, "We're Republican, we support Republican initiatives, we're just mad because they're not putting enough effort into it".
 
Pathetic.
February 21, 2007, 12:27:26 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Independent Thought
Fox Fan:
 
I wonder where these quotes come from?
 
"No goal, no objective, not until we have those things and a compelling case is made, then I say, back out of it, because innocent people are going to die for nothing. That's why I'm against it."
 
During the lead-up to the War
 
"Why should one U.S. airman give up his life when our national security is not in imminent danger?"
 
On Hitler analogies...
"My question to you is from all reports that I have been able to dig up, 2,000 killed in Kosovo in the last year. We keep hearing the president refer genocide, ethnic cleansing, comparisons to Adolf Hitler. Is the president purposefully using propaganda and hyperbole to garner the American public for support?"
 
There's no exit strategy...
"But if you know - every mistake we've made up to this point, there's no stated goal. There's no definition of success. All these important things. There's no exit strategy. One mistake after another. Why would you go in deeper when we have not been successful up to this point? That seems to me to be folly."
 
Sure he's a bad guy...but that doesn't mean we should go to war...
 
"he's a bad guy. He's an evil man. Horrible things are happening. I agree with that. Is Bill O'Reilly then saying we go to Rwanda, Burundi, Somalia, Sudan? Where does this stop? And when you look at sheer numbers, 2,000 -- and I'm not minimizing death. It's horrible. What this man is doing with ethnic cleansing is abhorrent, but sheer numbers -- 2,000 killed in the last year versus hundreds of thousands, millions in some cases in other parts of the world. Are you saying the United States should go to all those places?"
 
EVERYONE of those quotes was made by a certain SEAN HANNITY. Why, pray tell, is he saying the exact opposite things now? Simple, then there was a democrat in the white house, and now there's a republican. You are all idiots, and soooooo hypocritical. Everything that you convservatives are griping and calling democrats " traitors" about, you said and did the same exact thing all the way back in 1999...
 
Read it and weep.
February 21, 2007, 8:36:16 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Fox Fan
Sean Hannity quotes from many years ago, when the USA was in a completely different mindset, is that all you have?
 
Stop living in the past. He changed his outlook as history progressed. To think you call yourself "progressive"...
 
Progress to the present and realize that you side with people who want to eliminate you and your kind in magnificent Jihad.
February 21, 2007, 9:33:52 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
What's wrong Johnny, got no response in the appropriate thread? Hiding?
 
Nice failure to rebut his point, by the way, Fox Fan. You're argument was essentially, "Yeah, Hannity flip-flopped, but that's perfectly fine". That's the most pathetic argument I've ever seen on this blog.
February 21, 2007, 9:37:34 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Fox Fan
You obviously missed the point, Tom. Changing your mind based on changes in current events is good.
 
Changing your mind based on politics is not good with flip-flopper against/not against/against/not against Kerry and other libs who conveniently forget their votes for the war. Speaking of conveniently forgetting Tom, how about the past comment threads where you were proven a liar and a fraud? Didn't you lose a bet with johnny?
February 21, 2007, 9:52:15 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
Actually I'm humiliating Johnny as we speak, he's deleting my posts in another thread because I've embarassed him. He's clamiing Tammy Bruce is a liberal, despite the litany of evidence showing that she refers to herself as a conservative, takes conservative positions, works on Republican campaigns, etc...
 
Oh, so you're ducking me now, Johnny? Coward. Come out and play, Johnny.
 
Oh, look, here's Tammy boasting in her biography about how she worked on a Republican politician's campaign after leaving the Democratic party in the 1990's:
http://tammybruce.com/biography.php
 
Her website also displays an internet ad with the saying, "How about rooting for America for a change you liberal scumbag?"
 
LOL. Yeah, she's a REAL liberal. Not a conservative at all.
 
Johnny, you're a gutless weasel, you know? You're an absolute coward who runs from arguments he can't win.
February 21, 2007, 9:54:01 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
By the way, Fox Fan, you're essentially admitting your previous position was assinine, and your argument is irrelevant in light of the fact that Hannity has never apologized nor denounced his previous positions. If he did, then you could make the argument. Since he hasn't, he's contradicting himself, not simply changing his position on the issue, he's trying to have it both ways. Hence, he's a liar, and you're his little mouthpiece who can't even get the facts right.
February 21, 2007, 9:55:17 PM EST – Like – Reply

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johnny dollar
I'll be glad to respond to your tripe, if you can substantiate this:
 
> He's clamiing Tammy Bruce is a liberal
 
Quote me where I said TB is a liberal.
February 21, 2007, 9:56:07 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Fox Fan
I too will respond to your tripe.
"...your argument is irrelevant in light of the fact that Hannity has never apologized nor denounced his previous positions." 
 
He didn't ever need to apologize. He changed with the times, unlike most hard-leftists who still operate in a pre-9/11 mentality. Tom.
February 21, 2007, 10:54:20 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Ira
Fox News Alert:
 
Fox News Alert:
 
Sean Hannity is a Republican.
 
I'm shocked, 
 
SHOCKED!
February 22, 2007, 11:43:03 AM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
"And what's more, it was Tammy Bruce who began her discussion by saying "I'm a liberal". So if you're going to spread lies..."
 
1.) You're supporting Bruce's claim that she's a liberal
2.) You lied, claiming that Bill O'Reilly never said she was a liberal. He did: http://hotair.com/archives/2007/02/21/video-tammy-bruce-responds-to-bill-mahers-hateful-rhetoric/
 
So you lied, O'Reilly lied and Bruce pathetically lied while contradicting herself. O'Reilly is a right-wing partisan hack, Bruce is a right-wing hack and Fox News is pure propaganda, lying through its teeth and substiting ex-Democrats-turned-Republicans for "Democrats" and then claiming that it is somehow balanced. Notice how that works?
 
"Alright folks, because we're fair and balanced, we'll bring on both sides. First, our Republican, Dennis Miller"
"I hate Democrats"
 
"Next, our liberal-Democratic friend, Tammy Bruce"
"I hate Democrats"
 
Christ you people are pathetic. A person would have to honestly be breathtakingly stupid at this point to believe Fox News presents both sides.
February 22, 2007, 11:48:27 AM EST – Like – Reply

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johnny dollar
Tom is exposed. He claimed I called TB a liberal, and can't back it up. I asked him to quote where I said it, and he comes up with a quote of TB saying it! Tom doesn't tell the truth.
 
Note his latest:
 
> You lied, claiming that Bill O'Reilly never said she was a liberal.
 
Another lie. He can't quote me back on this either. Why don't you, Tom? Point out to everyone where I wrote this "lie" about what O'Reilly said. Oh, what's that? You can't? Of course not, because, just like your first effort, you just made it up.
 
Tom has a problem telling the truth--he's made up two quotes from me that I never said just over the last 24 hours. So I hereby give our clear-headed readers permission to ignore and refrain from responding to any more of the misquotes, falsehoods, and lies from Truthless Tom.
 
I will entertain one response from Tom. It's the question I've asked him repeatedly and has has ignored every time. Hey Tom, what did I win in that bet you made me? You recall, the one about H&C and text voting? Remember that, something they would never do for Dem candidates, according to you? So what did I win?
February 22, 2007, 12:18:33 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Fox Fan
You won yet more proof that Tom is a liar.
 
Somehow, he is able to block out every liberal that appears on the channel. That or he's never even watched it.
February 22, 2007, 7:35:00 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
LoL, this is pathetic. Johnny can't answer any of my points about Caddell, Bruce, etc... So what does he do? He ignores them, and demands that I answer HIS questions.
 
No, Johnny, I won't. Not until you respond to my points. If you can't do that, you lose the argument. Sorry, that's how a debate works. You don't simply say, "Well, I'm going to ignore all of the parts where you completely humiliated me and skip to where I ask you something".
 
YOu lost, Johnny. You're pathetic. You don't even believe your own bs. anymore. The Fox News channel presents Tammy Bruce as a liberal, knowing that she left the Democratic Party a long time ago, and has been voting Republican ever since, admittedly so.
 
Respond to that point or admit you lost the argument.
February 22, 2007, 10:48:14 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
"You won yet more proof that Tom is a liar.
 
Somehow, he is able to block out every liberal that appears on the channel. That or he's never even watched it."
 
Fox Fan, this is where I stop taking you seriously. You are apparently so breathtakingly stupid, that you believe Tammy Bruce, a woman who writes columns for NEWSMAX, who VOTED FOR BUSH, who spends every interview attacking Democrats and liberals, is a LIBERAL.
 
You are a moron. It's as simple as that.
February 22, 2007, 10:49:24 PM EST – Like – Reply

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johnny dollar
> Johnny can't answer any of my points about Caddell, Bruce, etc...
 
I'll try this again slowly, so maybe you'll understand it this time.
 
I'll respond to ALL your points, as soon as you quote back to me where I described TB as a liberal. AND where I stated that BO never called her a liberal.
 
Why is this important? Because you're quoting me, or pretending to. Either you are telling the truth and can point right to where I said both those statements. Or you are not telling the truth and just making it up as you go along.
 
And I need to know which it is, because I do not waste my time arguing with liars.
 
Besides, you still haven't answered my question of weeks ago: what did I win in that bet?
February 22, 2007, 11:21:05 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Fox Fan
"You are apparently so breathtakingly stupid, that you believe Tammy Bruce, a woman who writes columns for NEWSMAX, who VOTED FOR BUSH, who spends every interview attacking Democrats and liberals, is a LIBERAL."
 
You're not satisfied with putting words into johnny's mouth but mine now too?
 
Copy and paste where I said anything of the sort or be proven yet again a pathetic liar.
February 23, 2007, 7:04:35 AM EST – Like – Reply

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Tom
You were referring to Bruce as a liberal and you know it. You're pathetic and you're trying to weasel out of it because I humiliated you by proving Bruce is ANYTHING but a liberal.
February 23, 2007, 8:58:53 AM EST – Like – Reply

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OverHere
Tom, if johnny or Fox Fan said that I missed it, so please, go ahead and copy and paste it into this comment thread. If you do that then I will be the first to admit you were right.
 
But I'm not holding my breath.
February 23, 2007, 1:37:39 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Guest
YOu can't win the argument, give it up. You continually get beat down, you can't answer my points, so you start demanding that I answer your questions. I'll certainly do that, after you try to refute the points that I've made. If you can't do that, then get over it, because Tammy Bruce isn't a Democrat and Fox News is pure Republican trash, and you've got no rebuttal.
February 24, 2007, 10:34:02 AM EST – Like – Reply

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Fox Fan
Biography:
"Tammy Bruce is an openly gay, pro-choice, gun owning, pro-death penalty, voted-for-President Bush authentic feminist. A lifelong Democrat, in the 1990s she worked to help elect Senators Feinstein and Boxer, and aided the Clinton for President campaign. Before we knew he was a sexual compulsive and "did not have sexual relations with that woman." 
 
She was drawn into feminist activism in the late 1980's to contribute to the ongoing effort to ensure safe and legal abortion for all women, and with a special interest in ending international subjugation of women. Just two years after joining the National Organization for Women, with a brand of feminism that places her somewhere between Donna Reed and Thelma and Louise, Ms. Bruce was elected president of the Los Angeles chapter of NOW at the age of 27. 
 
The youngest ever to achieve that position, she doubled the chapter's membership from 2,000 to 4,000 within a year with issue campaigns that introduced a fresh view of feminist activism. In her seven years as president (1990-1996, the longest continuous tenure in the chapter's 30 year history) she mobilized activists locally and nationally on a whole range of issues, including women's image in media, child care, health care, violence against women, economics, and domestic violence. Ms. Bruce also served two years as a member of the National NOW Board of Directors."
 
I though this lady was a conservative from the way you've protrayed her. With two clicks I find that she's a moderate democrat. Of course to a far out socialist democrat such as yourself, moderate democrats are as bad as Bush. The one point you've been trying to make this entire time is bogus, Tom. Keep the jokes coming, the crowd here loves you!
February 24, 2007, 12:37:37 PM EST – Like – Reply

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