'This Is the Appeasement Party'

J$P Instant Transcript! Ann Coulter on Hannity and Colmes.

From Hannity and Colmes, October 4 2004:

SEAN HANNITY [FOX NEWS]: Joining us the author of a brand new book, out today: How to Talk to a Liberal...If You Must.

ALAN COLMES [FOX NEWS]: And you must.


HANNITY: Ann Coulter. You two have always had some very passionate debates.


HANNITY: Now, I just had a big fight with a Kerry guy--

COULTER: So I heard.

HANNITY: --apparently, now you have ten rules on how to argue with liberals--


HANNITY: --and we just checked them all, I passed them all.

COULTER: You did pass.

HANNITY: Well we should go through it. Don’t surrender out of the gate. You don’t need to be defensive. And you said I did the best with I must outrage the enemy. [laughter]

COULTER: You outraged him. And our objective during this segment is to get Alan to storm off.

HANNITY: Oh, you going to try and get Alan to storm off?

COLMES: He’s been trying for eight years to get me to storm off and it hasn’t worked yet.


HANNITY: All right, this is a provocative title. You like it, and I don’t know what it is, we’ve been friends a long time, you know you get under Alan’s skin, you get under a lot of liberals’ skin. Is that a goal, or you want to--

COULTER: Right, it’s rule number three. You must outrage the enemy. If you don’t leave liberals in a sputtering, impotent rage you’re not doing it right. You have to read the book. No, I mean the way Republicans and conservatives have fought, basically up until ten minutes ago, was to concede all of liberals’ points, maybe say, oh we have a little caveat here, and oh please like us, and we’re not anti-Semitic. I mean, every week Bill Buckley was running another National Review on conservatives are not anti-Semitic. Why are we being defensive? We should be on the offense.

HANNITY: Was the president on defense on Iraq the other night? This is the point I was trying to make with Kerry’s guy. Is that they went through this whole debate, 20-year history, of frankly borderline appeasement, was not brought up in this entire debate.

COULTER: Right. Well--

HANNITY: This guy has skated with 29 days out of election--


HANNITY: --most people have no idea how weak he’s been on defense.

COULTER: I think that’s right. But beyond 20 years, you claim you figured out what his position was on Iraq after the debate.

HANNITY: No I don’t.

COULTER: I would like a million dollar reward for anyone who can tell me what his position is.

HANNITY: Are you going to offer one? [laughter]

COULTER: No, but you know they have that rocket up in space now. You can have private rewards for these things. Just to find out what Kerry’s position is now. How about his position right now? If these people were authentic patriots, you would accept their criticisms of this or that. But the point that Kerry I think is left with, is there’s never the right war at the right time in the right place. They never want to fight a war to defend America. They certainly wouldn’t have fought World War II, I mean, screaming about all the casualties in battle after battle. And Hitler was being contained.


COULTER: But what is the right war at the right time? There will never be one.

HANNITY: But we wouldn’t have most of the major weapons systems we now, that comprise our modern military--


HANNITY: --because he’s voted to cancel most of them. We wouldn’t have, as weak as our intelligence was, we would have spent seven billion less dollars had the Kerry amendment passed. I guarantee you, of the 60-some-odd million people that ended up watching that debate the other night, 90% of them probably don’t know this record. And 29 days out of the election, is an amazing accomplishment for John Kerry, that he’s been able to skate under the radar to that large extent.

COULTER: Right. And that great statesman Saddam Hussein would still be in power while we waited for the global test, i.e. the French, to say it’s OK.

COLMES: That’s not what he said, and I showed you what he said in context. By the way, here’s your big chance, Ann, to talk to a liberal. Congratulations, this is your big opportunity. By the way, FDR was President during World War II, I believe he was a liberal. So it’s not true that liberals were not going to fight World War II.

COULTER: Right, and he was the last one who was willing to fight a war.

COLMES: Yeah, after we were attacked--

COULTER: No, but I’m saying--

COLMES: --and after Germany declared war on us four days later. So it’s not accurate to say, look--

COULTER: I’m saying today’s liberals would not, and I think that is a fact, given what they are requiring.

COLMES: You just said liberals have never fought wars.

COULTER: No, I said liberals would not fight World War II today.

COLMES: Look, they did, FDR did. Look, let me ask you--

COULTER: Wait, are you following my point? Now he’s just being annoying.


COLMES: Well you always think that. Look, let me ask you a question? How does one talk to a conservative? Maybe you can help me out with the converse. How should I talk to you?

COULTER: That’s a good question. We prefer facts and logic whereas--


COULTER: --as the latest debate shows. I mean, everyone keeps talking about oh Kerry won, Kerry won. What are they talking about? Oh, how he held himself, his bearing.

COLMES: Right.

COULTER: You always talk about how Republicans are the one engaged in spin and style. To the contrary, that is, what we want to know is the information; we don’t care if Bush stumbles over words.

COLMES: OK, you like facts. Here’s a fact. One fact is the President sees intelligence that a Senator doesn’t see, and President Bush kept saying he and Kerry saw the same intelligence. That’s not true. I think that was one fact. One fact would be something uncovered--

COULTER: Well, except that Kerry was probably seeing the intelligence that the French had--

COLMES: I see, there you go--

COULTER: --they also thought there were weapons of mass destruction.

COLMES: --so that’s one fact. Another fact would be whether these centrifuges could be used to develop nuclear capability for Iraq. And it turns out that we had false information. Condoleeza Rice I think said an untruth a number of times, saying the ones Iraq has can only be used for that. So you want to talk about truth? I think this administration has a big problem with the truth.

COULTER: These picayune complaints liberal have--

COLMES: I’m picayune, yeah--

COULTER: --about what was said when, based on, if we had complete knowledge, you wouldn’t need any intelligence gathering whatsoever. The President isn’t God. We do have intelligence gathering, it will be imperfect--

COLMES: Right--

COULTER: But my point is Democrats and Kerry can’t be trusted because they will fight no war at the right time--

COLMES: Well that’s not true; for example--

COULTER: It’s not, I mean I would be willing to entertain arguments that we should have attacked Iran rather than Iraq, except we know they wouldn’t have attacked Iran either. They won’t attack, they won’t fight any war ever.

COLMES: Would you have supported that, attacking Iran? Will you support that?


COLMES: Maybe? You’re not sure?

COULTER: Yeah, no but I support fighting a war--

COLMES: Do you want to start a war with Iran, yes or no?

COULTER: I don’t think we need to, because of Iraq.

COLMES: Well you say, for example--

COULTER: Because now they know we do have a man with testosterone running the country who will fight wars to defend America.

COLMES: Yeah, that’s great, that’s great. You’ve been asked, by the way, if you want to reiterate that statement when you said, right after September 11th, you said, and you know where I’m going with this, I’m often asked if I still think we should invade their countries, kill their leaders, convert them to Christianity. You say the same thing Nixon said in 1972: now more than ever.

COULTER: Now more than ever.

COLMES: So you want to invade their countries--


COLMES: You want to carpet-bomb the mideast?

COULTER: No. We’ve already--

COLMES: But they should all become Christians, right?

COULTER: By Friday of 9/11, we had accomplished point one and point two, invade the countries, kill their leaders.

COLMES: I see. We’ll pick this up when we get back.

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COLMES: All right: "I’m often asked if I think we should invade their countries, kill their leaders, convert them to Christianity." Who do you want to kill? You want to kill Saddam Hussein. What other leaders do you want to kill?

COULTER: Muslim fanatics who shout Allah Akbar before disemboweling a small child.

COLMES: What leaders? Who? Tell me what leaders you want to kill.

COULTER: What do you mean? The leaders of these people. Start with the--

COLMES: You said you want to kill their leaders. What leaders do you want to kill?

COULTER: The leaders of Muslim fanatics. That would include--


COULTER: --Muslim clerics, that would include Al Sadr--

COLMES: They all should be killed?

COULTER: --we already have wrapped up a lot of the top Al Qaeda membership.

COLMES: And would you like to convert them all to Christianity?

COULTER: Usama Bin Laden is D-E-D dead, and no one can convince me otherwise.

COLMES: Would you like to convert these people all to Christianity?

COULTER: The ones that we haven’t killed, yes.

COLMES: And so no one should be Muslim, they should all be Christian?

COULTER: That would be a good start, yeah.

COLMES: And so you wouldn’t respect their religious beliefs, you just want them all to be Christian?

COULTER: The point is, I suppose if I were a Muslim I might say oh there not practicing true Islam, what we must convert them to is true Islam. But the point is something, a conversion must take place. They think they are practicing religion when they fly planes into our skyscrapers and kill thousands of people. And to act like this isn’t a problem of religion, whether it is true Islam or not, is just sticking your head in the sand.

COLMES: Well you’re talking about a group of extremists who misuse Islam and aren’t practicing true Islam. But would you like to convert all these countries to Christianity, should they all become Christian nations? Because that’s what your remark suggests.

COULTER: Yeah, that would be terrific; that would be terrific, yeah.

COLMES: Really? So they should all be Christians? You don’t respect the fact that there are this many Muslims in the world, and the world would be a lot better if they were all Christians instead of Muslims.

COULTER: To be honest, I didn’t really care until they started flying planes into our buildings and blowing up small children.

COLMES: I see, now they should all be Christians, OK.

COULTER: Then I took notes. And this is by the way--

COLMES: OK, no further questions.

COULTER: Well, this is by the way what America has done after World War II, after the Korean War, MacArthur put out a call for Christian missionaries to come, and missionaries poured into Japan, they poured into Korea. It didn’t work as well, the conversion in Japan, but it certainly did in Korea. I note that we haven’t had any trouble from them for a while--

COLMES: Korea?

COULTER: --from South Korea, and Japan.

HANNITY: Let me move on for a second. I want to go back to the debate that took place on Thursday for a minute here. 10 days prior to that debate, John Kerry finally got his script from James Carville and Begala and the new Clinton guys, and how he is, which contradicts everything he aid before. He went, he studied his lines, he went out there and he forcefully delivered them. Why is it that there are people in this country that think that that was a good performance? Why is it that people are not aware of all the contradictory positions he had prior to this? Is that what the problem is?

COULTER: Well how about the contradictory positions within the debate itself? I mean, this is what I was just saying about Democrats seeming to be so fond of style and substance. I mean they seem to think Kerry won the debate because he had a better tan, he had a nice manicure, he stood tall, he didn’t trip, but you say he memorized his lines--I can’t remember a single one.

HANNITY: But he did it forcefully: I am saying, what’s wrong with this, it’s a colossal misjudgment. Meanwhile, when we--

COULTER: Was that a line from the debate, because it didn’t really stick with me?

HANNITY: That was a line--well, no, he did say it was a colossal misjudgment, but he also said I supported the fact that we disarmed Saddam.

COULTER: I remember nothing he said.

HANNITY: How can you support the fact that you disarmed him--

COULTER: Right. Right.

HANNITY: --and then say it was the wrong thing to do?

COULTER: At the beginning of the debate, right.

HANNITY: How can you say it’s wrong war, wrong place, wrong time, and say you support the troops in this?

COULTER: Right, at the beginning of the debate he said Saddam was not a threat, wrong war, etc, and at the end of the debate of course he was a threat, a threat. He says he wants a multilateral coalition to fight the war in Iraq and now have 90% of America fighting him--

HANNITY: But why do people see this as a successful performance?

COULTER: --but when it comes to Afghanistan he’s indignant that it was not 100% Americans, he wants a coalition and a summit to deal with Iraq, but he does not want a summit to deal with North Korea. Just within the debate I can’t figure out what his position is, and I think everyone knows what his position is. That these are appeasers. This is the appeasement party. They do not want to fight any war to defend America.

HANNITY: What would you advise the Vice-President to do tomorrow night? I mean what would you advise the President--

COULTER: Oh, he’s got to review chapter one.

HANNITY: [laughter] All right, good plug. But you know what, that’s fine.

COULTER: No, but seriously--

HANNITY: But what do you advise the Vice-President and the President, I think one thing they’ve got to do now, Kerry’s gotten a pass. And I think it’s time for the pass to end.

COULTER: Right. Right.

HANNITY: If the media’s not going to do its job, then they’ve got to do the job via ads and debates.

COULTER: Right, I think that’s rule six, never show graciousness toward a Democrat. And I think that is what Bush did a little too much. It’s always a problem with an incumbent President. He’s President, and he has to waste his time arguing with this knuckle head? And you sort of got that sense from him. But he does have to waste his time arguing with this knuckle head--

HANNITY: He does, successfully. And bring up his record.

COULTER: --and he can’t keep being gracious and what he’s doing is praising his VietNam record as if Kerry wasn’t talking about that enough. I think he needs to be a little tougher.

COLMES: Listen, I know you had to talk to a liberal tonight, and thanks for doing it. How to Talk to a Liberal. Ann Coulter.

COULTER: [laughter]

HANNITY: You guys got a long better tonight than in a long time.

COLMES: Much to his chagrin.

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