FHWiR Update: Lying by the Numbers
UPDATED! It seems we struck a nerve. The newshounds take issue, and we respond in a special update edition of Fox Haters Week in Review!
Ellen Brodsky of the newshounds has posted a "rebuttal" to our last FHWiR. It is only fair that we acknowledge her courage in addressing our points, and assess the credibility of what she writes. To assist the reader we will rate the truthfulness of each statement, using our patented J$P dials, on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 representing the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Only in the bizarro world of Mark Koldys/Johnny Dollar, a guy so obsessed with us he has my picture prominently placed on his homepage, would a correction we made to a post be characterized as something nefarious and deceitful.Actually it's not only in our bizarro world, but also in the bizarro world of the newshounds, who attacked a Fox correction for the very thing the mongrels did, scrubbing an erroneous article:
But a click on that headline in Google News brings one to the Petraeus denial, and the original story is not to be found. ...FOX should have left the original and published the follow-up rather than scrubbing the earlier one. One wonders who told the FOX webmasters to do that, and if it's considered S.O.P there?So Ellen's first rebuttal attempt rates, oh, a 4. Then she addresses our point that her correction didn't point out what errors were being corrected:
The point, as I see it, is to keep what's on the blog correct, not to explain why what's NOT on the blog was incorrect.But wait, this is another complete about-face from what the bowsers said before:
Other news organizations handle corrections differently. In these New York Times corrections, the newspaper states directly which information was incorrect and what the correction inforrmation [sic] is. Perhaps the journalists of Fox News should review aspects of the Society of Professional Journalists ethical guidelines which ChrisH posted recently.We'll be generous and rate this highly disingenuous argument as a 4. Plus we have to note that Brodsky completely ignores our key point: in order to keep hound mistakes buried, she removed her "correction" post just 48 hours after it appeared. Definitely a lie of omission.
Koldys/Dollar further suggests (after falsely accusing us of not watching Fox, when I can assure him that we do) that I lied in a post wishing Fox News' Jennifer Griffin our best wishes for a speedy recovery from breast cancer.For the record, what we said about not watching Fox was that they admitted to attacking Fox's reporting without having seen it. But we'll let that go. Note that Brodsky does not quote our actual words, so we will do so now. See if you can spot where we accused her of lying:
We applaud Brodsky for her well wishes toward Ms Griffin, but one line in her post was particularly striking:We accused her of lying?!? We'd give that a zero if we could, but we'll have to settle for a 1 on the truthfulness scale.I, along with several of the other News Hounds have long thought that Jennifer Griffin was one of the best reporters on Fox News, if not the best reporter.It would have been nice if she had said that before now. We searched the hound website but couldn't find Ellen or any of the newspooches having made that statement in the past.
Koldys/Dollar claims that we called Griffin a "tool of the religious right." Where did he find that in this post? I could not. Chrish was suggesting that Fox News did not want to offend the religious right, not denigrating Griffin's reporting abilities.Well the only thing Chrish's post dealt with was a report by...Jennifer Griffin. And the headline of the piece happens to read:
Jennifer Griffin does it againGee, ya think it was a criticism of Jennifer Griffin? Bueller? Anyone? Rating: 1.
Koldys/Dollar exaggerated Donna's words to falsely claim she called Griffin a "Pentagon spinmeister."Well let's quote Donna's words:
Today on Studio B with Shepard Smith they had a segment on with Jennifer Griffin reporting from the Pentagon (Comment: I don't know if Fox still has reporters in Iraq) and they put the best positive spin they could on the story.... But, she added that there was a rise in car bombings since the surge and that has led to a large number of attacks against civilians in Baghdad. (Comment: She said this like an afterthought).... It figures that after staying away from the stories in Iraq for so long that when they finally get back to reporting on them, they'd twist them to have a positive spin.They = Smith and Griffin. Brodsky's truthfulness: 3.
Koldys/Dollar also twisted Marie Therese's post to allege she characterized Griffin as doing "phony baloney" reporting. In reality, MT was criticizing Fox News' context, not Griffin's work.Marie Therese wrote:
Angle aired a report by Jennifer Griffin that included statements about Iran made by an "Iranian dissident" named Alireza Jafarzadeh, author of The Iran Threat and founder of Strategic Policy Consulting, Inc.... All of this is really sounding more and more like the phony-baloney build-up we all went through before the failed war in Iraq!... And of course Griffin never mentioned that the Bush administration has steadfastly refused to enter into any kind of substantive diplomatic dialog with either Iran or Syria until just recently.Wait, Ellen says MT didn't criticize Griffin's work, and yet there it is, MT criticizing Griffin's work! Amazing. But Brodsky is correct that MT criticized others in addition to Griffin, and while that doesn't disprove what we wrote, we will again be generous and rate this as a 5.
Koldys/Dollar claimed we said, "Jennifer Griffin is the epitome of a spoiled brat." In reality, what Nancy wrote was: "Griffin's report (my emphasis) was the epitome of spoiled brat sneering 'eewww'; she's better when she reports from Jerusalem."This is definitely a Brodsky classic. How exactly can a report be a "spoiled brat"? A spoiled brat is a person! It would be possible to say that Ellen Brodsky's post is a "flagrant liar". But we know that it's not the post that's the liar, don't we? Truthfulness rating: 4, for creative but unconvincing parsing.
Furthermore, I never said in my post that Griffin was a flawless reporter who stood up to Fox News' spin machine.Straw dog! We never suggested that you did say that.
Did I say that none of us had ever criticized her? No.Straw dog part deux!
Meanwhile, Koldys/Dollar, after complaining I should have given those props to Griffin before, somehow overlooked Nancy's post saying, "This interview & Jennifer Griffin's report on the same topic were actually informative & balanced... -- unlike the rest of the program, which was a re-tread of stories aired earlier the same day on Fox News Live, a reiteration of GOP talking points, & a few off-hand bashes at the usual targets."Wow, one whole sentence vs a string of attacks. And yet it too is a diversion, as the point was we couldn't find any newshound post that said Griffin is one of FNC's best reporters. This one certainly doesn't. Rating: 3.
Koldys/Dollar also attacks us for criticizing Fox Nation's comments...In fact we concurred with the newshound criticisms of those comments:
We agree that such language is inappropriate.We didn't attack their criticisms, we attacked their hypocrisy. 1.
There is simply no comparison, except in Koldys'/Dollar's fantasy world, between one out-of-line comment that got past our volunteer moderators and the mountain of death wishes and bigotry that has either been approved or ignored by the moderators of a site owned by one of the largest media conglomerates in the world.Just as you'll find more left-handed people in New York City than in Dog's Breath Nebraska, there are more objectionable statements in a Fox Nation thread of 533 comments than in a newshound thread of 40 (fyi 1 out of 40 is over three times more per capita than 4 out of 533). Don't forget that Ellen's "one out-of-line comment" is just the latest example of something we have already detailed, on more than one occasion. Still, the point is not the numbers, it's the hypocrisy. Rating: 5. Overall truthfulness: a miserable 3.1 out of 10.
UPDATE:Ellen Brodsky has put up yet another post ostensibly answering this update, calling it a "hissy fit" and tossing in more hand-wringing irrelevancies. But Brodsky ignores the ten documented falsehoods above and addresses none of the substantive points made, so there's really nothing for us to respond to on the merits. We didn't expect there would be because we're right and she's wrong, but it's good to have that confirmed. Instead Ellen raised new charges (along with additional fabricated claims) that are beyond the scope of this article. Stay tuned, as our devastating rebuttal will come in good time.
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Cecelia
The first quote represents a garden-variety begging the question logical fallacy, but the second is not something you see every day. It's the classic pathetic logical fallacy!
Thank you, Ellen! That's the first time I have ever seen it used!
"The point, as I see it, is to keep what's on the blog correct, not to explain why what's NOT on the blog was incorrect."
"what Nancy wrote was: "Griffin's report (my emphasis) was the epitome of spoiled brat sneering 'eewww'; she's better when she reports from Jerusalem."'
February 15, 2010, 3:20:56 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Thank you for knowing the correct meaning of 'begging the question', which so many people use incorrectly. And an extra thanks for introducing me to the 'pathetic fallacy':
The pathetic fallacy or anthropomorphic fallacy is the treatment of inanimate objects as if they had human feelings, thought, or sensations.
That's one I will be happy to incorporate should Ellen be obtuse enough to try it again.
February 15, 2010, 4:01:34 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
If my father were around, I'd thank him for you, Johnny. I'd thank him too for making sure that my siblings and I never learned to analyse and argue as poorly as Ellen.
February 15, 2010, 5:51:49 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
My reply to John t: Oh the irony yourself. Anything that I said in my post is really mild compared to the really crude aspersions which you have leveled at me when I have tried to debate you civilly here and on the NH site. The t in your name must certainly be troll because I have never seen anyone engage in more trollish behavior than you. Once again you reveal that there is no limit to your stupidity and hypocrisy. I would reply to you at the news hound site but we both know that my comment would be summarily deleted; while you can say the most disgusting things there at it will remain. Of course you left out that part of my comment that spoke of NH unwarranted deleting of civil reasoned posts which was the chief rational for calling the she-hounds (and they are women and they do call themselves hounds so its accurate) gutless cowards who have no clue how to debate intelligently. That you are a gutless wonder who cannot engage in reasoned debate but who can only hurl insults and behave like a snotty 5 year old brat remains my opinion of you and will remain so until you prove otherwise.
February 15, 2010, 4:25:48 PM EST – Like – Reply
Blackflon
It looks like dog washers littltjohnt and Patrick have been let loose by Ellen. littlejohnaccusses Johnny of lying and can provide no evidence. Par for the course.
February 15, 2010, 4:32:29 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
I believe that the Dreaded Patrick is one of Haggis' many identities. Anyone think differently? If Haggis were to deny it, that would only confim my suspicions. Haggis/patrick seems to think that Cecelia and Grammie are drunk. There Haggis goes again . . . just because Haggis "is elephant trunk" he assumes everyone else is.
February 15, 2010, 4:33:28 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
No I wouldn't associate patrick with Haggis. Patrick is the guy who merrily called for Bill O'Reilly to be raped and murdered over at the newshounds forum. He was part of the gang who comment-bombed this website with all those unprintable, vulgar, repellent personal attacks. And--surprise!--he's privileged to post at the newshounds. How many people does he have to call to be murdered for Brodsky to say enough is enougH?
February 15, 2010, 4:38:34 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
Absolutely, Patrick the li'l feller is not Haggis. Compared to Patrick, Haggis is Abraham Lincoln.
February 15, 2010, 5:02:19 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
I also don't believe that Haggy is posting under any other names at this time except Haggis (and HSUK a month or so ago, but he made it known he was Haggis).
February 15, 2010, 5:39:49 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny, remember Patrick was bababooey too and Bababooey could actually make a reasonable argument and more significantly, he could spell...
I think they're either one person, or "Patrick" is a personae used by several trolls.
February 15, 2010, 8:38:48 PM EST – Like – Reply
Mike C.
I think Patrick wishes the same for me.
February 16, 2010, 1:44:06 AM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Danny, I've long thought that Patrick, Haggis, Average American Patriot, and Clucker (I'm not sure if you are acquainted with the last two internet operatives) are one person.
I've not found anyone who has agreed with me yet, but you've come the closest.
February 15, 2010, 5:55:53 PM EST – Like – Reply
Grammie
I agree with you fifty-fifty, Cecelia with an additional name thrown in the pot.
Haggis, OTM and Flucker et al plus I think The Erzatz Royal King at Mediaite are all just one more manisfestation of Flucker.
I think that Patsy is a stand alone oozing example of putresence except when he plays his Hagzilla is a Nazi B*tch type games.
As for Patrick, although he can with extreme concentration produce a few fairly well spelled coherent sentences I ascribe most illiterate comments to him except for those that bear Johnt's signature.
What mystifies me is what pleasure or gratification can supposedly grown men, OK potty mouthed snot nosed little boys, get from such sick behavior?
February 15, 2010, 6:33:32 PM EST – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I disagree. Haggis has gone under a multitude of monikers but he is NOT The Fetid One. Haggis likes to play troll, Patrick is a serious troll. Haggis I'd be happy to share a beer with. Patrick I'd not associate with for fear of becoming entangled in legal troubles.
February 15, 2010, 8:56:19 PM EST – Like – Reply
Grammie
I agree, FF.
Both Patrick and Patsy are people I wouldn't want to be with even at a Policeman's Ball.
February 15, 2010, 9:07:24 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
FF, you know some times perverse people aren't cute, playful or interesting, they are merely perverse.
February 15, 2010, 9:21:16 PM EST – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I find Haggis to be playful and interesting, but seldom perverse. The Fetid One is only perverse.
February 15, 2010, 9:30:23 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Grammie, they managed to run Sara off Mediaite.
I think that sort of thing is their/his/her objective and that is what gives them pleasure.
February 15, 2010, 9:14:41 PM EST – Like – Reply
sarainitaly
well at least I provided some joy in their otherwise pathetically sad, sad, sad little lives.
HA
February 16, 2010, 7:46:03 AM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
They'd like nothing better than to turn this place into a jackal's den/cesspool too, Sara. That's why there's an Exile Island.
February 16, 2010, 8:32:33 AM EST – Like – Reply
Chris
john t is so stupid:
Then you have little Chris thinking Haggis is Priscilla. Or Priscilla can write up a whole article with video and post it in 17mins.
Today, 4:53:45 PM – Flag – Like – Reply
I never said or thought that Prissy was Haggis-I pointed out that both talked about the same video-now what is factually inaccurate?
February 15, 2010, 5:14:51 PM EST – Like – Reply
Tina
OK< this is completely off topic, but I was watching "Ricks List" for a little while today and I have to ask: What is up with Rick's new hairdo?
February 15, 2010, 6:30:58 PM EST – Like – Reply
Grammie
Who is Rick and what is his list?
February 15, 2010, 6:41:57 PM EST – Like – Reply
Tina
Sorry Grammy. Rick's List is Rick Sanchez's new show on CNN (he know gets two full hours to spew stuff). Rick Sanchez show on CNN in the afternoons.
February 15, 2010, 6:55:21 PM EST – Like – Reply
Grammie
With that megaphone LISTEN to me voice who notices his hair?
The first time I saw/heard him was thru a link. When that voice boomed out I almost fell off my chair. Reading what he says is plenty enough for me without having to listen to that oh so overwhelming arrogant voice!
Thanks.
February 15, 2010, 7:24:47 PM EST – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Are you TinaFromTampa?
February 16, 2010, 1:45:06 AM EST – Like – Reply
Tina
Yes, why do you ask?
February 16, 2010, 7:05:12 AM EST – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Just curious. Welcome to J$P.
February 17, 2010, 2:57:59 PM EST – Like – Reply
Grammie
Danny, I have a favor to ask of you and I hope I don't offend you with it.
Could you break up your longer comment with a space between small paragraphs?
I really have difficulty tracking a long expanse of sntences without broad white spaces between them.
I've got a monitor about four or five times bigger than the first TV my family had in 1947 but my eyes just can't cope well.
Thanks!
February 15, 2010, 6:39:27 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
Sorry Grammie, but I am having a hard time posting at all without considering your objection.
February 15, 2010, 7:57:57 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I think the program you are composing your stuff in is confusing the word-counter in Echo. Try typing directly into Echo rather than pasting it in, or at least try pasting it in from a different program. It think that might be worth a try.
February 15, 2010, 8:01:08 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
My response to “same to you”:
“Danny is the little creep who was too cheap to subscribe to Fox News.”
I don’t subscribe to anything. I pay for a computer connection and I find I don’t need cable or satellite TV. In fact, I didn’t use most of the stuff I had on DirectTV when I had it. I find that I can all of the television I need on cable. The one thing I missed was not able to get Fox News, but now that has been fixed. The fact that you are in the stone age and are stupidly paying for stuff that you don’t use...and you criticize someone else for being smarter than you makes you sound like something considerably lower than a creep.
“I am always amazed how creepy Danny sounds in his comments...I am sure that even Cecelia had to experience a case of the willies with that one” Obviously you are projecting. What’s really beyond creepy are your comments. Cecelia flagged the comment you mentioned as being one that she liked. Yet you are sure that she didn’t like the comment? As Dorothy said to the scarecrow, “What would you do with a brain if you had one?”
“if you want to man-up, you can find me at Mediaite” I don’t know what you are talking about. Are you suggesting that Mediaite (unknown url) is a site that, unlike NH, treats all posters fairly?. Interesting admission on your part.
“most likely you will hide behind your many monikers like that coward Olby-Sucks” I have never done that. However, there was an article writer for Newshounds who reported that half of the posters at NH are sockpuppets...to make it look like more are posting than actually are. Because you use sockpuppets...because you are a coward...because you are a punk doesn’t mean everyone else is.
February 15, 2010, 7:19:10 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
I know no one will believe me but here goes anyway...yes I admit in the past I used other names...but that only came about because I was banned and I felt wrongly so....so I used the other names to defend myself....simple as that.
I'm using no other names now....it's either Haggis or HappySmokerUK...so your barking up the wrong tree Cecelia
Danny I'm not mickey monk....There's another new one for you.
February 15, 2010, 7:30:02 PM EST – Like – Reply
Guest
Grammie
You are correct about one thing, Haggis, I don't believe you. Rather I believe the direct evidence of my own eyes.
February 15, 2010, 8:16:38 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Oh, you did not use other names "to defend yourself"!
You used other names so you could continue to pour over Media Matters and Think Progress, etc. and bring anything critical that they blogged about FNC back here to JDP's and demand that we answer for it.
That's what you did as Chippy Minton and that person from Indiana until caught in ever more expanding and ridiculous lies.
I don't even think you're fooling yourself with that nonsense about "defending" yourself.
No one else is buying that's for sure.
February 15, 2010, 8:31:45 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
John t(roll)
“I have been banned from Koldys' Dump for quite awhile and this little man thinks he's tried to debate me over there.”
First you have not been banned. That’ just another of your lies and you know it. You have been suspended. Johnny has been very patient with you. I would have banned you permanently a long time ago. If you disagreed with NH and behaved the way that you do, you would not have lasted 5 minutes. I have been frustrated because Johnny did not ban you a long time ago. If you had any reading comprehensions skills (or long term memory), you would know that I said I tried to debate at Newhounds. I tried to keep my comments in line with the rules that were printed on the bottom of the comments page. You flagrantly violated them. Yet my comments were deleted and your comments often were not. Just another example of your hypocrisy and the hypocrisy of the she-dogs of the NH site.
February 15, 2010, 7:55:57 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Here's an interesting post. It appears to come from the left of center, yet they have the newshounds MO down pat:
http://tinyurl.com/ycutfxe
February 15, 2010, 7:58:20 PM EST – Like – Reply
Gary Anderson
Thanks for posting a link about my site, Johnny. I've read that site for awhile, but just over the course of the last year it's gotten worse as far as, for lack of a better phrase, manufactured controversy.
Not that Fox News, in my opinion, doesn't deserve to get flack for a lot of what they do, there's no reason to be outraged at something that's not even what you're making it to be.
Just my thoughts. Thanks again.
Gary
www.searchingforchetbaker.com
February 15, 2010, 10:43:36 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
"...of the she-dogs of the NH site"
Johnny...I wouldn't have though this sort of comment would be aloud under the rules....it's a very derogatory comment towards woman.
February 15, 2010, 8:18:14 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Well it's a bit snarky but not objectionable like another term for a female dog would be, one that I do not allow (a five-letter word that has shown up on NH from time to time). It's really a play on words: female news-HOUNDS. So I think it's snarky but not sufficiently demeaning to nuke it. I have spoken.
February 15, 2010, 8:27:53 PM EST – Like – Reply
Haggis
well it's up to you...but I got picked up for having an avatart witch simply said f a u x news....Saying She-dogs....is as good as saying bitc&% in my world.
February 15, 2010, 8:34:11 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
"sort of comment would be aloud under the rules" Actually the comment wasn't aloud. it made no sound at all. It's not a derrogatory comment towards women. As I said in my comment they are women and they refer to themselves as being hounds or dogs. It's an accurate comment. Your imagining things. Perhaps you are contemplating an elephant's trunk too much.
February 15, 2010, 8:25:42 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
Old Danny Boy is over at Koldys' Dump lying his damn ass off.
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Danny
I have never done that. However, there was an article writer for Newshounds who reported that half of the posters at NH are sockpuppets...to make it look like more are posting than actually are. Because you use sockpuppets...because you are a coward...because you are a punk doesn’t mean everyone else is.
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Who was that article writer for the NewsHounds that said that? Where is that article the writer posted that in?
Come on Danny Boy, either put up or STFU and you have the nerve to call someone else a liar.
February 15, 2010, 9:35:18 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
Ok John T(roll) Here you go.
http://johnnydollar.us/2008a/lvu220806184.html
Obviously one of us is a liar and it's not me. I have always wondered how you lost your uh nether regions. Now I know!!!
February 15, 2010, 9:42:51 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Who posted that Danny? Sounds like john t's handiwork. Because it's so arrogantly wrong. For the record, the second comment here is where ex-hound Bill Corcoran said just what you said he said:
http://tinyurl.com/yj66qcv
February 15, 2010, 9:44:34 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
I posted it. It was his comment at News Hounds. I wanted everyone to know what I was replying to. Sorry I was not more clear.
February 15, 2010, 9:46:47 PM EST – Like – Reply
Grammie
Which reminds me of something that I've noticed about the pound lately.
Pegleg used to periodically produce graphs that purported to show that NH was a powerful giant and snicker, snicker J$P wasn't even a 98 lb weakling.
I notice she doesn't do that anymore and it is my impression that the number of comments on the threads has dropped off drastically in the last six months or so. When I first started visiting there many of the threads had upwards of a 100 comments. Recently it seems many threads are lucky to reach double digits.
I'm not surprised b/c one comment sounds like another and all their cutesy little Faux News nonsense gets old after the 10th time much less the 1,000th time.
February 15, 2010, 10:11:19 PM EST – Like – Reply
sarainitaly
i peeked over at Newshounds after reading these two posts. Ugh. It is so funny that the site, and their followers spend so much time trying to trash FOX, yet msnbc and cnn, etc. are tanking, and FOX just keeps growing and growing. Must really burn them up...
I read Gary Anderson's post too, and he was dead on about the amount of vile hatred coming from the Left sites. And yes, it exists on Right sites too. But for me, the big problem is that the majority of the media is left leaning and support this *Right is Evil and full of hate* mantra. So, FOX is the only MSM that fights the smears from the majority of the media. And like I said, the credibility and ratings of the Left leaning MSM are tanking.
Perhaps if they would quit trying to smear FOX/Conservatives, and focus on the NEWS, they would be better off. Or perhaps they need to seek therapy.... the obsession with FOX is out of control. They are in hysterics because Beck uses a chalkboard, but ignore ALL the vile insanity coming from Shultz, O'Donnell, Olby, Maddow, Matthews, Sanchez, etc. They are completely unhinged.
February 16, 2010, 8:06:11 AM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
What's interesting to me is that, of course, it's true that ugliness exists on the right and the left, but on the left you see it from the best downward.
You see all sort of disdainful and inflammatory accusations and dirty put-downs from the more educated of lefty commenters.
Look on Olbermann Watch, the person who tried to torment a fellow poster with parody based upon bestiality, was one of their better writers.
THAT is the phenomenon that you see on the left.
February 16, 2010, 8:47:40 AM EST – Like – Reply
Gary Anderson
Thank you, Sara, for checking out my site. Much appreciated. And I love Italy. So...we're even I guess. ha ha.
Gary
www.searchingforchetbaker.com
February 17, 2010, 3:05:42 AM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Welcome newsbusters readers! Thanks for checking out J$P.
February 16, 2010, 11:50:41 AM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
John Troll
Here was Danny Boy's first attempt at proof before Koldys' failed attempt to bail him out. He gave this link to Koldys' Dump that Bill Corcoran wrote:
http://johnnydollar.us/2008a/lvu220806184.html
February 16, 2010, 1:11:18 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
What do you mean attempt at proof? I gave you exactly what you asked for. You accused me of lying my posterior region off when I said that there was a former writer for Newshounds who said this: half of the posters at Newshounds are sockpuppets. You challenged me to produce an article where a former writer for Newshounds said what I reported.
You said I should produce the article or STFU. Well guess what? I produced the article which said exactly what I said it said. If I was wrong about anything there seems to be an implication that more than half of the posters at Newshounds are sock puppets. No one denys that the man worte blogs for News Hounds. No one denys that he said what he said. Attempt? Your missing rear end!
Insofar as Dollar's failed attempt to bail me out, Have you totally lost all your marbles? The only thing that has failed is your pathetic attempt at a rebuttal. Are you a complete cretin? All Johnny did was to link to the comments section of the article to which I linked. The comments only serve to further demonstrate that what I said was true so that only a complete imbecile would even think to deny it.
I have no intention of STFU about you or the she-dogs of News Hounds. But if you had any smarts you would STFU, before you make an even greater fool of yourself; if that is possible. You have been totally owned.
February 16, 2010, 1:27:53 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
Bill Corcoran (former blogger at Newhounds):
Concerning Newshound sockpuppets (which may include Haggis and other visitors to this site)
A lot of people simply change their screen name and post again and again and again, but it is really the same person. So that 50 number could be a little high. It might be more like half of that posting comments on Newshounds.
February 16, 2010, 2:13:44 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
So Danny Boy, I guess you're taking Corcoran's words as fact? I suppose you didn't bother to read the links on the first page that a NH gave showing 2 articles where Koldys calls Corcoran a liar. That's before he left the NHs. So, I guess after he left he all of a sudden became some credible source?
No Danny Boy, it's you that's making a fool of yourself. You just read what pleases you and the hell with things you don't like.
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No littlejohn troll, it is you that are making a total fool of yourself. If there were a hall of fame for shamefully stupid quotes from Newhound groupes I would certainly place yours there. Your posts are truly the height of idiocy.
I gues you have little or no long term memory. It wasn't that long ago that you were calling me a liar (lying my a* off) because I said that there was a former writer for News Hounds who says that half of the posters at News Hounds are sock puppets.
Well I submitted the article you challenged to submit and guess what? There is a former writer for Newshounds who says that half of the posters at News Hounds are sock puppets. No one denies that he was a former writer for News Hounds. No one denies that he says that half of the posters at NH are sock puppets.
I was not lying my a* off. It was you littlejohn troll who were lyhing your a* off and you were quite arrogant about that. Put another way you have made a total fool (for want of a stronger term) of youself.
You rebut is a knife that slices two ways. At one time people thought so much of Corcoran's integrity that they let him write blogs for them (guess you won't admit that they knowingly let liars write their blogs) Now that he is no longer at NH you say he is a liar. Once again you prove that you see what only what you want to see and once again you have made a total fool of yourself. You are a riot littlejohn troll.
February 16, 2010, 6:03:21 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
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PROVE that there was an orchestrated attack by a "gang" and that it was associated with Newshounds.
We do NOT encourage or condone such behavior, contrary to what you would like to believe, and your insinuation that we might is vile in itself.
(An Appendix added by Alex to Ellen's (The queen of vileness) post:
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John troll's missing posterior region you don't! It is not the insinuation but the Newshounds site itself that would have to improve dramatically before it could even reach the level of being incredibly vile.
Here is the smoking gun left by the queen she-dog Ellen herself:
Title of Thread: BANNED FROM DOLLAR'S SITE
I believe olbermannwatch.com is J$ ' s site.
Congratulations, john t, on getting banned. As far as I'm concerned, you can't be too rude to that little p* [The word she used is an extremely vulgar and offensive term for male genitalia; it would be the same as if I referred to ellen as a little c* or an extremely vulgar and offensive term for female genitalia]
Posted by: Ellen on Wed 7.30 1:49am
Still another challenge from the coven of the vile and hideous she-dogs answered
February 16, 2010, 6:09:49 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Yes, Danny, I think that definitely qualifies as a 'smoking gun'. High-toned Ellen and supercilious Alex boasting that they'd never tell people to come over here and be disruptive. When in fact there's Brodsky cheering such behavior on and encouraging it, on her own site! (And don't you love her lady-like language?) I've saved the page, made screengrabs, and done all the usual things, just in case this is another one of their gems that somehow gets 'disappeared'. I will have all the evidence for the next FHWiR.
February 16, 2010, 6:28:59 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
Hey Danny Boy,
When is Koldys going to email Ellen those screen shots and IPs to prove a "gang" from over here went to his Dump and posted 100's of vile comments? Now Dollar would want to prove he's not a liar wouldn't he? Such a well respected man he his (GAG).
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That's up to him. If I were in his shoes, I wouldn't do it. He alsready has a sufficient smoking gun or were you not able to read my pevious post due to some mental handicap.
Also, his stated policy is that he does not give out IDs for any reason. If he did what you suggested, you would be all over him for breaking his word. The sneaky snakes that you are!
However,NH, being the reputable site they are (steadfastly resisting the impulse to puke violently), apparently has no such policy. Surely the folks of the hideous and vile she-dog coven would not be asking Johnny to do something that they would not do, right? Right? This is suported by claims of some of NH posters that their IDs have been released without their permission.
I, therefore challenge the wiicked and vile coven to provide a complete log of all posting at NH, including IDs of all who posters to prove (1) that half of NH poster are not sockpuppets and (2) that nobody from NH has posted at Dollars under another name. Also, I challenge you to surrender all email that Ellen has had with yourself and other posters at NH so that we can be sure that she has not privately more explicitly encouraged vile behavior on Dollar's site than she has done publicly. If you fail to meet my challenge I shall be forced to conclude that your silence is a tacit admission that NH is a site that is beyond deceitful, wicked, and vile.
I also note that you failed to copy and paste my previous two posts here at NH in their entieity--as you did with my previous posts. I take that as your tacit admission that you have no answer for them and that you are a gutless spineless coward; which is what I have always known you to be.
February 16, 2010, 7:51:12 PM EST – Like – Reply
Grammie
Touche!
February 16, 2010, 8:13:18 PM EST – Like – Reply
I.M. Right
When is Koldys going to email Ellen those screen shots and IPs to prove a "gang" from over here went to his Dump and posted 100's of vile comments?
Did Johnny promise to do this? I doubt it. Unlike the hounds, J$ won't divulge IP addresses. Even if he did, does the moron John T actually believe that Ellen would look at them, and upon realizing they matched NH posters, she would admit it???
John T again demonstrates he's nothing more than an old fashioned dope.
How many times has Patrick alone smeared this place with gay slurs, slurs against women, and his threats of violence? The hounds permitted him to post his rape murder fantasy and now they are accusing us of pedophilia? Those doing that are morons.
February 16, 2010, 8:27:17 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
Well bedsotted adult beverage drinker she-mutt Pegleg Peggy has decided to entertain us with a deliciouly somewhere-beyond idiotic post. Drunken little Peggy has repeatedly called Grammie drunk desipite the fact that Grammie has fifty times her intelligence (and that's probably insulting Grammie) and she is not worthy even to lick the sole of Grammie's feet. Obviously drunken little Peggy is projecting and that is not coffee she has in her cup.
Let's get one thing straight drunken little Peggy. I hate loathe and despise NH because of my very bad treatment there. When I expose the lies, the vileness and the filth that is NewHounds I am on my own mission and not anyone else's. If anyone needs kneepads, it is you. You are projecting again. Say hello to your disgusting and vile leader, Ellen. Lapdog! or is it Laphound?
"Ellen giving Johnt a verbal high five for getting banned after the fact is not the same thing as Ellen saying, "now everyone get on over to Dollar's and cause trouble littlejohnny troll's posterior it doesn't. Oh besotted one!
That was a public pronouncement. Anyone on your site could have read it. Essenrially she said to everyone on the site that the sky is the limit for rude behavior and Johnny Dollar's site. And then she give an example by herself referring to Johnny with a term that most sane people would find crude, repulsive, and indefensible. But you don't find it to be that do you drunken little peggy? It was said a while back and Ellen has had plenty of time time so retract it and to say that she didn't mean it. This is not the first time she has been confronted and after all that time not one word of retraction or one word of apology. That's what makes queen-dog's pronouncement so damning. Also the fact that many of the leaders of you site don't find the word Ellen used offensive only speaks volumns about the language that is allowed on your site and how truly vile and disreputable your site is.
February 16, 2010, 9:27:31 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
I don't know what ittlejohnny troll's offense was in this instance. I can tell you two things though: 1. i would not have had nearly the patience with litttlejohnny troll that Dollar had. I would have banned him permanently from the site along time ago. I have been frustrated that Johnny has not been more aggressive in banning trolls. If you were honest you would admit that he would have been banned from NH if he disagreed with you and acted the way that he did. 2. littlejohnny troll unfortunately wasn't banned at all. The lying troll posted after he said he was banned. He was only suspended for a little time. A decision I disagree with.
Johnny will never divulge ID's. He has said that long before this issue came up. If you were not so hopelessly drunk you would have known that. However, NH has no scruples about divulging ID's of your posters.
You have no reason not to answer my challenge. Your drunken idiotic rambling are a feeble attempt to obfuscate the fact that you won't meet my challenge and that you tacitly admit that NH is a wicked, deceitful and vile site.
February 16, 2010, 9:28:16 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
john t's offense that led to that whole kerfuffle: he came on here and lied about a video I embedded. I called him on it and he proceeded to start posting personal attacks on me and other posters. He said he didn't care about posting here and continued the rules violations, so I blocked blocked him. He could always regain posting privileges by addressing this and another lie he told about this site, but he refuses to do so. So while he can't post here, he's not banned. The key to regaining posting privileges is in his hand, but he refuses to use it because he'll never admit he's wrong about anything.
February 16, 2010, 9:34:01 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well, actually, Johnny, John T. might as well be posting here via all the cut-n-pasting of his stuff.
February 16, 2010, 10:00:31 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Well you make a good point. It is getting a bit much.
February 16, 2010, 10:57:07 PM EST – Like – Reply
Cecelia
It doesn't bother me and his posts certainly illustrate every point you've ever made about the mentality at News Hounds.
I just wonder if he's not baiting Danny in order to get around your demand that he prove accusations and charges that he has made here.
February 16, 2010, 11:20:59 PM EST – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Well baiting is jt's stock-in-trade. But I understand Danny's responses. JT puts out such low-hanging fruit that it almost begs to be plucked.
February 16, 2010, 11:48:36 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
Danny Boy, I'm not going to take up a lot of space C&P your entire long ass ignorant rambling hypocritical rants. You get more ignorant with every comment you make.
posted by litttlejohnny troll
Yet I don't mind posting your comments. Your lunacy speaks for itself. It's quite entertaining. The only thing that you are good at is projection. It is your comments that are long ass ignorant and rambling. It is your comments that are increasing more ignorant and stupid. Quit projecting your faults on others!
The real reason that you will not paste my posts is because of the part you left out. You are tacitly admitting that you have no answer and that you are a spineless gutless coward.
February 16, 2010, 9:39:44 PM EST – Like – Reply
Danny
In the Bizarro Ellenworld, the coven believes that there is nothing wrong with calling someone a word for genitalia and that calling a female newshound a she-dog is far worse; that Ellen's public comments that her followers should be as rude as possible on Dollars site is not a smoking gun; and that the members of the NH coven are all intelligent, pretty women.
These are all almost direct quotes. I kid you not.
Hahahahahaha To that I say to Ellen and Company, "In your dreams! In your dreams!"
February 17, 2010, 1:18:28 AM EST – Like – Reply
Blackflon
Nice touch, Danny. There is nothing better that watching littlejohnt squirm in his own lies.
Let the games begin.
February 17, 2010, 7:41:19 AM EST – Like – Reply
Son of Blackflon
We will give u a 10 on this one Johnny Dollar Spot
February 22, 2010, 8:20:03 PM EST – Like – Reply
