Wednesday Links & Open Thread
Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:
Bill Kristol bombshell video: scoop or scam?
Tuesday's numbers.
David Gregory stiffs his own show?
Video: Escape from Gori. Mal James: close call, "get out now!"
Hotline quotes.
Video: Baby "Machine" on the way!
Keith won't play.
Collaborators in fraud?
Murtha promotes Matthews. Today's firing demand.
Novak's grim prognosis.
News bureaus redefined.
Now there's an MSNBC spam virus!
Revenue recession impending?
It must be media bias!
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Fox Fan
The only media bias I see re: Russia/Georgia is not enough vehemence against Russia's incursion. They goaded Georgian troops into South Ossetia and then slaughtered them with extreme prejudice. So yes, there is media bias in play. Just not the type Karasin is suggesting.
August 13, 2008, 7:12:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
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August 13, 2008, 7:33:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
What a great way to start of the morning: unsubstantiated hyperbole and a good old-fashion media conspiracy theory. Let's move onto yellow cake and aluminum tubes.
August 13, 2008, 7:47:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Johnny, speaking of MSNBC (and by relation-- NBC), I just read something on the channel's plans for coverage of the DNC shindig and pondered the irony that according to Olbermann, Steve Doocy's son Peter is a mere cog in the Murdoch machine and a mindless clone for doing then the same thing that young Luke Russert will be doing for NBC and MSNBC at the upcoming convention.
I know this is topic drift and subject to deleting, but it's worth thinking about.
August 13, 2008, 9:23:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
BTW, Johnny, there were some very frightening moments this morning during Steve Harrigan's coverage from Gori, Georgia, on F & F. I prayed like crazy for Harrigan and his crew.
And I pray too for Bob Novak.
August 13, 2008, 9:28:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
It's not topic drift or subject to deleting. You will be seeing young Russert on MSNBC. And Olbermann is the face of MSNBC. So you actually posted about cable news! Great thanks for that!
August 13, 2008, 9:29:02 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
I suppose a world of distinction can be drawn between the two (2) apparently fine young men and their circumstances, but I find this all rather cheesy. We are, as a society, far, far from a meritocracy. Perhaps, that is a good thing, to some extent, but I do think we sometimes mimic England in our drive to create a class of inbred dimwits. Often, this all falls in under the label "legacy," so favored by our finer institutions of learning. Whatever these two (2) young men bring to the table in terms of gifts and skills, I rather imagine we have journalism and RTV schools and studios all across the country with far more gifted and skilled young men and women that are not getting a well-deserved opportunity.
August 13, 2008, 9:40:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Thanks for your post about Novak and Harrigan, Cecelia. Not much more can be said about Novak, but I really do want to commend Harrigan. His reporting is some of the finest I have seen and heard under difficult conditions in a long while. Nic Robertson and Michael Ware need to make room at the table for Steve Harrigan.
August 13, 2008, 9:45:15 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I don't understand why Robert Novak must come with a "hold my nose" caveat any more than Ted Kennedy should.
This sort of close-minded, almost clannish--- thinking is beyond me. It's the sort of nonsense that has seemingly required the mentally challenged Keith Olbermann to take a stand against MySpace of all things.
We're becoming a nation of closed-minded zealots.
August 13, 2008, 9:56:51 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
Cecelia | 08.13.08 - 10:01 am
Cecelia,
Will you marry me?
August 13, 2008, 10:05:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
vstol, what's your kitchen like?...
August 13, 2008, 10:07:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
From whence came the "hold my nose" caveat, Cecelia? Am I overlooking a portion of some link, or does this come from an outside source? What source?
August 13, 2008, 10:18:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
spacious, clean and fully stocked-just like me
August 13, 2008, 10:18:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Maybe I misinterpreted your saying that "not much more can be said about Novak", Mark.
I'm sorry if that's the case.
August 13, 2008, 10:24:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply
cornycob
Steve Harrigan has done an excellent job. This whole Russia-Georgia thing is really fascinating (and frightening).
August 13, 2008, 10:26:26 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
You did, but no problem.
I am actually very fond of Novak and respect his work, immensely. As you realize, this is distinctly possible. I often disagree with Novak, but, so what? Blessedly, he is not a blonde, hairsprayed, perfumed, overly made up, falsely charming, politically correct personality. These days, that makes Novak something of a national treasure.
I had previously expressed this, perhaps in some overly-laden text, easily missed. I just thought repetition might have a ghoulish quality.
August 13, 2008, 10:29:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
I just saw a promo for Countdown on a break from the Olympics. It went something like this: if you haven't watched Countdown, here is what you have been missing: Cut to Keith discussing a policy not to discuss "Orally" anymore and how he had a meltdown of the Inside Edition proportion because "we beat him by 26%" in some demo ratings. Then someone hands him a paper and he says that now there is a new policy that BOR (I don't remember how the name was pronounced) is allowed to be discussed sometimes.
What a crock.
August 13, 2008, 10:42:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
I do think the intramural BOR/KO deal has become tiresome, Sharon.
Having said that, in the clutter of all the smears about BOR last night, KO did come to an essential point: In light of the Mackris matter, who in the hell is BOR to demand answers about (multi-)million dollar buy-outs of silence arising from the tawdry sexual episodes of Edwards? I don't want to suggest that BOR is somehow disqualified from his host position or that somehow KO is a paragon of moral virtue. It does strike me that BOR has enormous chutzpah in bringing up this issue. Silence might have better served him. I find this akin to adulterers and divorcees running for political office on family values platforms.
By the way: The question is warranted and good. It just ought be posed by someone less compromised.
August 13, 2008, 10:59:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
The Collabarators in Fraud story by The Cable Game contains a false allegation, inaccurate statements of "fact" and omits facts that make one of their examples of "fraud" mute.
August 13, 2008, 11:00:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
If there were some question as to the legality of the source of BOR's payout to Mackris, then you would have made a fair point.
August 13, 2008, 11:11:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
I may be confused here, Sharon. Is BOR's point that the money paid to Ms. Hunter is questionable, tainted, illegal, or is it that he believes there was money paid for media silence? I think his outrage du jour was for the latter. If so, that would be unethical, but if it is illegal, it would be the sort of illegality the AG describes as against the law, but not criminal. It also raises a conspiracy theory which I'm not prepared to entertain at this time.
The money paid by BOR to Mackris, is, indisputably legal, part of a court-approved and ordered settlement to a lawsuit. But, the question is, did BOR pay money to buy silence? At some level, that is abundantly clear. He did.
I think you're on stronger ground if you argue that the distinction is not legality or illegality, but the inherent distinction between a celerbrity/media personality and a politician/government official. The latter have legally imposed fiduciary duties to us the former do not have.
BTW: I don't buy that BOR knew all about this and set on the story out of compassion or respect for Elizabeth Edwards. He may well have compassion and respect for her, most of us do, but BOR is of the KO genre in one important respect: he is an unmitigated muckraker (and not in the positive, social responsibility sense). I think he simply lacked the sources to proceed. FNC attorneys ought do and probably do have him on a short leash.
August 13, 2008, 11:28:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Well, if this is so about O'Reilly, Mark, then I suppose it's up to the uncompromised sorts such as Olbermann and yourself to ask these questions of John Edwards for us and yourselves.
We're counting on you.
August 13, 2008, 11:35:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Wenchie
Janice Dean just annoucned she is 4 months pregnant!!
August 13, 2008, 11:45:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
If uncompromised is the standard, Cecelia, you'll need to find someone other than I. I am the most compromised of men, spending time in confession, but not nearly enough. I doubt that the Church has enough priests to hear all I need to confess.
As for as Olbermann, who knows?
Barbara Walters?
The point is not that moral purity is necessary in a journalist, but that outrage ought to be reserved for the morally pure(er). The grandiose statements and assumptions of BOR just make his coverage absurd, comedic.
August 13, 2008, 11:53:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
Now there's an MSNBC virus!
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Exactly one of the reasons WHY I said I wouldn't trust an e-mail addy in the hands of incompetent bloggers.
August 13, 2008, 12:07:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
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August 13, 2008, 12:10:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
"The question now is who paid to hide the story? Millions of dollars exchanged hands. That money must be accounted for. 'The Factor' will find out what happened there.
That was the point du jour from yesterday.
Mark says:
BTW: I don't buy that BOR knew all about this and set on the story out of compassion or respect for Elizabeth Edwards.
Here is the complete answer:
"We had the mistress story last spring, but chose not to air it because of the pain it would bring to Elizabeth Edwards, a brave woman, and her thee children. Also, Edwards was out of politics by then. If he had held power, it would have been a different story."
August 13, 2008, 12:34:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
It is astounding to me that Mark how quick Mark is to see moral equivalence when there is none.
In BOR's case, there is no cliam that he physically had illicit sex with anyone. There is no claim that he cheated on his wife when she was dying of cancer. There is no claim that he fathered a child out of wedlock. There is no claim that he funneled illegal and secretive hush money to a mistress. There is only the claim that he may have said naughty things over a TELEPHONE to a woman with whom he had a business relationship. What exactly was said we will never know. All we do know is that it resulted in a sexual harassment lawsuit and BOR eventually paid money to make the whole thing go away.
To draw some kind of moral equivalence between what BOR MAY have done (what he actually said over the PHONE we will never know for sure) and what we KNOW Edwards did [illicit physical sex; probable siring of a bastard child; illegal and secretive hush money; humiliating a dying wife, etc.] and then to say BOR is somehow disqualified from reporting the story is just plain crazy.
I wonder if Mark would be able to tell the difference between a woodpecker and a carpenter . . . I mean they both work with wood, don't they?
August 13, 2008, 12:42:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
I'll try this again. My comment did not appear, either from being moderated or some kind of problem.
Mark:
BTW: I don't buy that BOR knew all about this and set on the story out of compassion or respect for Elizabeth Edwards.
O'Reilly (entire quote):
"We had the mistress story last spring, but chose not to air it because of the pain it would bring to Elizabeth Edwards, a brave woman, and her thee children. Also, Edwards was out of politics by then. If he had held power, it would have been a different story."
Mark:
Is BOR's point that the money paid to Ms. Hunter is questionable, tainted, illegal, or is it that he believes there was money paid for media silence? I think his outrage du jour was for the latter.
O'Reilly:
"The question now is who paid to hide the story? Millions of dollars exchanged hands. That money must be accounted for. "The Factor" will find out what happened there."
Some are questioning whether campaign money has been used illegally.
August 13, 2008, 12:42:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Thank you, Sharon. I appreciate your input.
August 13, 2008, 12:48:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
James
One big difference is that O'Reilly never paid Mackris to keep things quiet before she made any allegations. It was already blasted all over the media once the settlement was finally made.
August 13, 2008, 12:51:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Page Six run an anti Keith story...Shocker...The day after Keith masterfully took Bill apart, with his #1 news item last night....Seems like the NYP were delving deep into the barrel to find this one....But I'm sure F&F pushed it for all its worth. (I didn't see F&F...So just assuming they did)
August 13, 2008, 1:23:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
James,
That is one big difference to be sure.
However, as I demonstrated in my 12:14 post, there are many, many huge differences between BOR's situation and Edward's situation. There are a thousand times more dissimilarities than there are similarities.
Attempting to equate the two situations is really, really silly.
August 13, 2008, 1:23:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
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August 13, 2008, 1:39:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
I voted for "Is just a graphic, nothing more."
You lot are out of your minds, if you think MS/NBC took a corporate decision to fly the flag upside down...What payback do they get for doing so?
August 13, 2008, 1:41:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Are you saying nobody made the decision? Somebody did. Who? And why?
August 13, 2008, 1:43:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
J$, if it is actually upside down...I'm not convinced...I'm sure it was a simple mistake...The pro-Fox posters here vehemently opposed the notion that Fox deliberately put Obama's name under OBL....It was a simple mistake...They said....Could this not be the same?...I fear blinkers are in play here
August 13, 2008, 1:54:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
What kind of stupid diversion is that? It lasted all of a few seconds, and Fox promptly apologized. If that WAS Fox (it sounds more like something that happened on MSNBC, but they tend to run together).
This flag business has been going for months. It hasn't been called a mistake. No apology. They won't even answer questions about it.
Now other than the fact the both examples were on tv, I can't think of a single other point they share, making it the World Analogy in the Worrrrrrrld.
August 13, 2008, 1:57:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cornycob
Did the flag always fly that way???
If anything, it makes the graphics department look stupid.
August 13, 2008, 1:58:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
AAP
My Gawd, from hearing you talk you would think that poor Mackis was raped.
Do you have any idea of the difference between rape and talking naughty over a telephone? [Keep in mind we don't know what was said] Do you have any idea of how sensitive sexual harassment laws are nowadays? Someone can tell an off color joke and be sued for sexual harassment.
You may not understand this but telling an off color joke is not the same thing as rape (even though some courts would deem it sexual harassment).
But now I got a few phrases for you to look up.
Cheating and publically humiliating one's wife.
Dying of cancer
Siring a bastard child
Lying to one's political supporters (contributers) repeatedly
Illegally paying money to one's mistress from campaign contributions.
Cravenly allowing a supporter to take the fall for one's misdeeds.
I thought that drawing moral equivalence between the two situations is craxy
But then here you come laughably trying to argue that what BOR did (although you can't be sure what he really did) is worse.
You win the prize for an expression of abject craziness.
August 13, 2008, 1:59:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Indeed, James, that is a very big difference.
However, lost in all the tumultuous talk, the cacophonous clamor, the harsh hullaballo of moral equivalency, or the lack thereof, is the point that BOR was not the proper bearer of this "news" item. For that is the cable news issue, and the only cable news issue, isn't it? Moral equivalency is an issue best left to Sister Ursula Upright's "Highway to Hell" blog, or something similar. I can say, on a personal level, in matters of sexual indiscretion, Tommy Thong speaks less clearly to me than Brian Boxer does. On the broader and more pertinent point, whatever else is said about O'Reilly, his report left a powerful odor of hypocrisy about the studio. It tainted his story. That is the cable news sin.
The other sins, if any, I'll leave to others more righteous than I.
August 13, 2008, 1:59:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
DeeKay
Someone had to have decided to fly the flag logo upside down. One time is an error. MANY times is obviously something done with a purpose.
I don't care what their misguided motivation is, it's disrespectful. But then what else is new with MSNBC/NBC?
August 13, 2008, 2:01:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.13.08 - 2:02 pm |
J$...If F&F haven't even picked up on this, a month down the line.(I could be wrong)....I fear your flogging a dead horse with this one.
August 13, 2008, 2:03:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Mark,
What he hell are you talking about?
First you have no idea what BOR did except that we know that whatever it was took place over the telephone (she could have hung up) and that BOR was sued for sexual harassment.
One time a fireman was sued for sexual harassment because he put a picture of a naked woman in his (supposedly) private locker. If that fireman became a reporter could he not report on the Edwards affair without being a hypocrite?
Gimme a break.
There is no hypocrisy here. BOR is free to report honestly about the Edward's affair without even a trace of hypocrisy.
August 13, 2008, 2:10:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> I fear your flogging a dead horse with this one.
Or breaking news ahead of everyone else.
August 13, 2008, 2:12:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Alan Colmes was on fire last night...By bring up McCain's Infidelity and saying what's the difference between that and Edwards....Hannity was outraged, that his hypocrisy was exposed for all to see...Excellent job, Alan
August 13, 2008, 2:21:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Haggis, didn't you forget something? Aren't you supposed to put "(c) newshounds" at the end of your comment?
August 13, 2008, 2:26:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Damn those pesky NewsHounds....Editing videos to make "little old me" Hannity look bad....J$, I eagerly await your findings on this urgent matter. :lol:
August 13, 2008, 2:34:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
The flag issue started out as one which we were advised by you not to take too seriously, Johnny. And, it can be amusing to poke fun at some highly-paid media or advertising consultant who makes such a ridiculous gaffe. How many laughs from New Coke, for example ....
Yesterday, you used the word "stonewalls" to describe MSNBC not discussing the graphic. It seemed odd that for a none-to-serious matter, a word with such a pejorative connotation would be used. You changed the tone of the discussion when you did this.
Continuing with this thought, you act as if MSNBC has some sacred, solemn duty to respond to something I am sure few people care much about, i.e. background graphics. I would be surprised if MSNBC did respond. Rightfully or wrongfully, people within the industry assume you have an intimate tie to FNC. I don't think that relations between MSNBC and FNC are such that attorneys and PR people at MSNBC are predisposed to respond to you if you are seen wearing an FNC cap. They would likely assume, rightfully or wrongfully, that responding to you would be responding to FNC. Maybe if you were perceived as tied in with PBS or the Comedy Channel, you would get a response. Maybe not.
This flag thing seems to me to have outlived in useful life and what started out as fun has descended into morose and melancholy minutia, self-righteous rancor. It is a topic that is as pleasant as yesterday's cod on the curb awaiting trash pick-up.
August 13, 2008, 2:43:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
Danny | 08.13.08 - 2:04 pm
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I am going to wait a while to answer your post, expecting Johnny to also delete your post, since he delete mine and you were answering to it.
If your post stands, and this one too, I may have a chance to answer.
I'll be back in about 4 hours.
August 13, 2008, 2:55:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
tess
Doesnt Hannity emember that Rudy Giulani was also running for president and he was cheating on his wife. How about Bernard Kerik? He was picked to head Homeand Security and then we found out about all his cheating on his wife and all other criminal activity. John Edwards is scum but he isnt the first to cheat and he wont be the last. Also Newt Ginchrich cheated on his wife and she also had cancer. Cheating scumbags can be both republican and democrats.
August 13, 2008, 3:03:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
HF,
I watched the NH video. Contrary to what you said: I thought Hannity was very eloquent when he spoke of McCain's torture.
I thought that Colmes looked really stupid and unable to distinguish differences between things.
As usual your evaluation of the exchange is really atrocious.
Maybe it's because you tend not to pay attention to what's actually being said.
The other day when you completely ignored an entire phrase of one my posts is a good example.
August 13, 2008, 3:04:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
I see MSNBC now have a virus e-mail floating around, with "BREAKING NEWS" in the subject line....Wonder why these virus creators haven't used FNC to draw folk in...Probably because they know most folk would delete any e-mail on sight with "BREAKING NEWS" and FNC in the same subject line....Or maybe they're Republican voters...Who knows.
August 13, 2008, 3:09:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
tess | 08.13.08 - 3:08 pm |
Excellent post tess.
Hannity has now been elevated to chump status....For his clownish talk.
August 13, 2008, 3:21:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Rudy Giulani was also running for president and he was cheating on his wife
That is a flat out lie.
Also, the comment about Newt is a load of crap. He was splitting with his wife, he didn't keep anything a secret, they both wanted a divorce, and that divorce was going on while she was hospitalized.
August 13, 2008, 3:26:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
AAP,
The only thing I ask is that you say something new . . . that you actually respond to my rebuttal.
If you are going to come back and just say the same thing (which I have rebutted) over and over again . . . then don't bother.
You'd just be wasting our time.
August 13, 2008, 3:27:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Danny | 08.13.08 - 3:09 pm | #
Danny, you have to understand that HF's grasp of the concept of "outrage" is not the same as yours, mine, and the rest of the planet.
August 13, 2008, 3:28:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
OK, mission accomplished by the instigators (I'm not referring to you, Ashley). They successfully diverted the topic to politics. There will be no more discussion on cheating politicians.
And to any blog hogs who want to keep this thread diverted onto topics of their choice, don't overdo it. This is a thread for everyone, on all current cable news issues.
August 13, 2008, 3:30:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
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August 13, 2008, 3:33:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
... which might suggest I was writng as you posted. Geez!
But, I agree with the deletion completely. I, too, was trying to get unruly folks back on topic.
August 13, 2008, 3:47:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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August 13, 2008, 3:57:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
I understand women complaining about Matthews, on some level, but I am not sure I agree with him being deemed sexist. He is a jerk, but an equal opportunity one. I like him, and I enjoy his show.
August 13, 2008, 4:10:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
J$....Please explain why that last post was labelled "abuse"....It was simply a Hannity quote....And also about cable news....I'm outraged...Well slightly peeved
August 13, 2008, 4:10:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
This isn't a thread for you to cut and paste your favorite, or unfavorite, Hannity quotes, in an attempt to continue a discussion that's already been ruled out of order. You've had your fun on that, and now it's time to move on. I think I've said it before. To paraphrase, if you want to cut and paste quote after quote that excites you from other blogs, then start your own site and you can do it to your heart's content.
Cutting and pasting is not commenting. Why can't we have intelligent, thoughtful analysis here instead of role-playing and gamesmanship?
August 13, 2008, 4:12:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Why can't we have intelligent, thoughtful analysis here
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.13.08 - 4:17 pm |
I was giving, what you crave...But I've been cut off at the knees...I was giving intelligent, thoughtful analysis on H&C....J$, I'm just jesting.
August 13, 2008, 4:21:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
There was some talk at the casa about shopping for bathing suits for a jaunt to Jamaica over Labor Day. In my considerable experience, it is best to avoid such shopping trips since I have yet to find the right answer to a woman pointing to a bathing suit with a tag sticking out the neck and asking, "Is this slimming?" If I answer yes, it's, "So, I looked fat in the blue one?," and "no" is just never an option. In any event, I am thinking of launching the SS Bess Truman, getting some Bombay Sapphire, some tonic, ice and lime and just floating. Why don't you two join me, and we can work out the creative differences. It's a lovely afternoon to bake.
August 13, 2008, 4:30:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
James
Mr. $, in your Countdown recap, you need to have some sort of clock that honors how long its been since Keith has not made a retraction about O'Reilly correctly citing tax laws in honor of Olby's demand of Milbank making a retraction in order for him to be back on the show. Ie. "15 days since Olbermann has not corrected his O'Reilly error." It can include all other errors if not too clumsy or start a list of things Olby has lacked to make any corrections for.
August 13, 2008, 4:42:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Exactly one of the reasons WHY I said I wouldn't trust an e-mail addy in the hands of incompetent bloggers.
Average American Patriot | 08.13.08 - 12:12 pm | #
Like newshounds? I'm close to proving they sold my e-mail addy to spammers, etc. One specific drug company has apologised and may roll on newshounds. More to come....
August 13, 2008, 5:04:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
James | 08.13.08 - 4:47 pm |
And if your lucky...Fox will spot it and use it...Then someone might see it....Oops I forgot, that would mean legitimising Keith...Your out of luck.
August 13, 2008, 5:10:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
James
By that logic, Keith constantly legitimizes O'Reilly.
August 13, 2008, 5:16:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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August 13, 2008, 5:17:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
One specific drug company has apologised
Olby Sucks | 08.13.08 - 5:09 pm |
Nice of them to say sorry for using your e-mail address to spam you...Also how can you prove NH gave said drug company your address?
J$...sorry about the quick quiz...Virtual Smarties were on offer to the winner.
August 13, 2008, 5:30:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
"Please stop calling us.," is not an apology.
August 13, 2008, 5:39:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
James | 08.13.08 - 5:21 pm |
It's Bill that wont say the enlightened ones name....Keith has no problem saying Bills name.
August 13, 2008, 5:48:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
I see that BOR, once again, as usual, as expected, absolutely trounces K"C"O in the ratings.
Poor Keith, still playing in Nancy Grace territory.
August 13, 2008, 5:50:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
One specific drug company has apologised and may roll on newshounds.
Olby Sucks | 08.13.08 - 5:09 pm | #
Read very slowly, patsy. Your question will be answered.
August 13, 2008, 5:52:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Cue...."but, but, but the Olympics are on!".......from the usual suspects.
August 13, 2008, 5:54:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
OS, I don't think you really understand how spammers work...You don't just email a drug company and ask them to spam the given address. :lol:
August 13, 2008, 5:57:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
You seem to be "in the know." Note to self....
More importantly, Bill O'Reilly hammers the orange faced hack, theorange faced hack squeeks passed Nancy Grace..LOL! And Shep HAMMERS the drooler x 2! :lol:
August 13, 2008, 6:02:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Olby Sucks | 08.13.08 - 5:59 pm |
No I wasn't going to say that...But it's a factor....I was heartened to see Keiths numbers hold steady...OS, you have to admit he's still well up on the end of last week.
August 13, 2008, 6:02:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Damn HF,
Your are right. KO BEAT BOR by 30,000 viewers.
Wait . . . I apologize. I was comparing the second showing of BOR (11:00) to KO's prime time show.
If you compare the 8:00 numbers of the two shows, BOR wins dramatically.
But now if you add BOR's 8:00 numbers and 11:00 numbers and then add KO's 8:00 numbers and 10:00 numbers . . . BOr really destroys Olby.
Wonder why Olby does not go head to head with BOR at 11:00. Would his numbers even more dismal then?
August 13, 2008, 6:19:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
How do you become a member of olbermannwatch....Can someone please nominate me...I'd like to contribute.
August 13, 2008, 6:33:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
haggis farmer is busy smoking purple......
August 13, 2008, 6:34:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
You have to hav a LEGITIMATE e-mail address, haggy. No proxies.
August 13, 2008, 6:36:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Powell's switching sides has been about 4 years in the making. He criticized Bush on a number of issues since resigning. We'll have to see what the Kos kids and MoveOn think of this development, it could get nasty.
August 13, 2008, 6:39:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Olby Sucks | 08.13.08 - 6:41 pm |
I have a legitimate e-mail address...I don't know how to use a proxy....So I'm in?
August 13, 2008, 6:41:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Can someone please nominate me...
There are no nominations. You email and request to be registered from a valid ISP email address and you get registered.
August 13, 2008, 6:46:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Fox Fan | 08.13.08 - 6:44 pm |
It will also be interesting to see how FNC handles this(if story is true)
Will F&F come out smearing tomorrow?
Will Hannity/O'Reilly start tonight?
August 13, 2008, 6:46:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
NO they're not going to wait until tomorrow. They're going to rush them into the studio for a special nighttime F&F which will be nothing but smearing Colin Powell. Because they've smeared him so many times in the past. Like...well...uh...and then there's...well, you get it.
> It will also be interesting to see how FNC handles this(if story is true)
What, are you in a time warp. FNC has already handled the story. You can tell us right now how they handled it. So why don't you?
August 13, 2008, 6:48:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.13.08 - 6:51 pm |
J$, thanks for the info....I've added my email address to this post...Can you please register me with same name as here...Thank you
August 13, 2008, 6:50:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Fox Fan | 08.13.08 - 6:44 pm | #
If this Powell speculation turns out to be accurate, I have to wonder if the nutroots and news channels like MSNBC and CNN will toss out the terms "traitor", "disloyal, and "turncoat" as often as they did in 2004 when Sen. Zell Miller (D-GA) spoke at the 2004 RNC convention and endorsed Bush.
August 13, 2008, 6:50:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Can you please register me with same name as here.
No. I'll try this again. You have to email Olbermann Watch with a valid ISP email address (not a hotmail account, for example) and request registration. Then you'll get it. The information on whom to email is at the site.
August 13, 2008, 6:52:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.13.08 - 6:57 pm |
Will do...But ISP email address is a no go...Its got my real name in it....I give it a try anyway...What difference does an e-mail address make?
August 13, 2008, 6:55:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
FF,
I am not sure what to think about this "scoop." Powell spokesperson flatly denies it.
http://www.time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/
Powell spokeswoman Peggy Cifrino strongly denied the report.
"There's absolutely no truth to it whatsoever," Cifrino told FOXNews.com. "Colin Powell will not be at either convention. There's absolutely no truth to this
Does Cifrino not know what she is talking about? Does Kristol not know what he is talking about?
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
August 13, 2008, 6:56:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
haggy, step away from the bong!
August 13, 2008, 6:56:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
James
It's Bill that wont say the enlightened ones name....Keith has no problem saying Bills name.
HaggisFarmer | 08.13.08 - 5:53
So what's your point?
August 13, 2008, 6:58:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> Colin Powell will not be at either convention.
This is what is intriguing. That's a half-denial. Whether or not Powell shows up at the convention, she didn't answer the question about the endorsement.
August 13, 2008, 6:58:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Johnny,
Maybe you are right.
It comes down to what she meant by "absolutely no truth to this."
Does "this" mean the report that Powell will speak at the convention? Or, does "this" refer to Kristol's entire report?
August 13, 2008, 7:03:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Is this the address: olby at olbywatch dot com
I've a feeling my chains being pulled here
August 13, 2008, 7:06:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
HF,
So many times you clog the thread by stuff that should be handled by email.
You are being obnoxious.
August 13, 2008, 7:08:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
Once again, seems like Halo Scan ate my prior post.
HaggisFarmer | 08.13.08 - 7:00 pm
1) You have to be foolish enough to give Bob your e-mail addy.
2) Most of OW regular posters, all 4 of them, have moved to J $, after the infamous OW purge.
3) If you are over the pond, you could find another free e-mail addy service, but your request for registration will not be honored, since Bob wants to have you by the short and curlies.
August 13, 2008, 7:12:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I have emailed Haggis the OW registration info. So any further comment on that should be held there, not here.
August 13, 2008, 7:22:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Powell endorsement.
I don't know why...But I'm seeing Karl Christian Rove's fingerprints all over this news story.
August 13, 2008, 7:38:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
"I do not have time to waste on Bill Kristol's musings, Powell told ABC News. I am not going to the convention. I have made this clear."
August 13, 2008, 7:42:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
I can't explain the reasons why I say this. It came to me as an epiphany . . . not unlike a vision or a religious conversion.
Nothing rational about what I am about to say so there is nothing really to discuss. I just that decided to share with you, the privileged few, the fruit of my mystic revelation.
My epiphany: Karl Rove has nothing whatsoever to do with Kristol's story or whether Powell will speak at the Democratic coverntion . . . or, whether Powell will endorse Obama.
Remember you heard it from me first.
August 13, 2008, 8:35:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
J$, I'm surprised your linking to Huffington Post for the Bill Kristol picture....I'd always assumed you'd despise them...My mistake
Danny | 08.13.08 - 8:40 pm |
Just think about it...Get the story out there(no problem "our man" Ailes will help)...Stir the pot with a few well chosen talking heads....And all going well you'll stir up the Democrats with this false story.
August 13, 2008, 9:00:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Danny | 08.13.08 - 8:40 pm | #
Brilliant epiphany! I'm a believer. I must therefore renounce any talking points that K "C" O may have received on the subject from DNC HQ.
August 13, 2008, 9:03:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Fantastic seersmanship Danny!
Drudge picked up on the story right away and had it as the top main link a couple of hours ago. Now, it's below all of the other stories in the Obama section.
The only person I saw who was related to the story was Kristol, not Rove. Where Kristol heard it I'd be interested in.
August 13, 2008, 9:13:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> J$, I'm surprised your linking to Huffington Post
For someone who finds the activity at this site all but irresistible, your surprise is puzzling. Would you care to guess how many times I've linked to stories and articles from HuffPo? Why would none of those surprise you, when a photo seems to have you in shock?
August 13, 2008, 9:14:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Fox Fan | 08.13.08 - 9:18 pm |
Rove is pulling the leavers behind the scenes(McCain camp)....Kristol was just the messenger.
August 13, 2008, 9:18:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Weren't you surprised last time johnny linked to HuffPo Haggis?
You may or may not be right about Rove. I think Kristol is perfectly capable of operating on his own, however.
August 13, 2008, 9:23:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
at this site all but irresistible
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.13.08 - 9:19 pm |
I wouldn't say irresistible....I just like the back and forth while watching TV.
"when a photo seems to have you in shock?"
No shock...I'd just have though you'd have got it from FNC.
EDIT: I was going to say something else...But I'd have been plonked back on evil island :lol:
August 13, 2008, 9:28:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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August 13, 2008, 9:39:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
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August 13, 2008, 9:43:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I'm so surprised O'Reilly just quoted HuffPo commenters!!!
I'm on time lapse with the DVR, I didn't get home till BOR was over.
August 13, 2008, 9:46:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Fox Fan | 08.13.08 - 9:51 pm |
I'm just hoping he can pull himself away from Huffpo for long enough to check over here...It would be a badge of honour to get a mention on O'reilly in a negative way.
August 13, 2008, 9:55:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Even moreso if mentioned in a positive way!
August 13, 2008, 9:58:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
Rove is pulling the leavers behind the scenes(McCain camp)....Kristol was just the messenger.
And your evidence for that is what? Is that a religious epiphany on your part?
If it were as you say, this would imply a very subtle and disciplined campaign organization that many pundits have criticized McCain for NOT having.
Stir the pot with a few well chosen talking heads....And all going well you'll stir up the Democrats with this false story.
And that would accomplish what?
Make Dems more motivated? Make them try harder?
Demoralize Republicans? Make them think the situation is hopeless?
Yeah, Rove and just about any McCain supporter would want all of that.
August 13, 2008, 10:07:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Fox Fan | 08.13.08 - 10:03 pm |
I'd feel I must have betrayed myself if that ever happened...My emails never get read out....Maybe he doesn't like Haggis.
August 13, 2008, 10:12:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
I agree that this was a devious move, but in this sense:
Wrongway Bill desparately wants affection and approval and Juan Williams, with another job on the side, just can't always be there. So Wrongway says to himself, in private, which is anytime the Panel is not on the air, "Make a stunning projection. If you're right, everyone will be shocked. Men and women will adore you, men will seek you out for a beer and a chat, women will want you to sire their children." Just a theory, you understand ....
Got to run. Phone ringing. A major poultry processing company calling to apologize to me, I imagine.
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August 13, 2008, 10:23:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
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August 13, 2008, 10:35:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Aeris Gainsborough
I didn't watch Bill O'Reilly yet, but Keith Olbermann during his "Bushed" segment, talked about the story that is scary.
http://gothamist.com/2008/08/13/details_of_queens_residents_death_i.php
No one else, unless you can save me time, that Bill O'Reilly talked about it, talked about this story, and sadly, as I am listening to Mike Malloy right now, will not talk about it, either.
The only other "major" sources that talked about it are: NY Times, and (gasp) Democracy Now.
Now Fox defenders, (Ashley, Fox Fan, and any other Fox Followers) why should Fox News by my source of news, when NO ONE ELSE talked about it?
Before 11:55 Boston time, I will reply if Bill O'Reilly talked about it, which I am already doubting.
August 13, 2008, 10:43:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
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HaggisFarmer | 08.13.08 - 10:40 pm |
Come on J$...A little light humour never harmed anyone....But it's your site and your rules....No offence intended.
August 13, 2008, 10:44:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
(no problem "our man" Ailes will help)...
by haggy
Riiiiipped from the newshounds! :lol:
August 13, 2008, 10:51:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
"Now Fox defenders, (Ashley, Fox Fan, and any other Fox Followers) why should Fox News by (be:sic) my source of news, when NO ONE ELSE talked about it?"
Aeris Gainsborough | Homepage | 08.13.08 - 10:48 pm | #
Aeris, I completely agree with you. The story is sad about Ng. The thing is, Ng should have been deported more quickly.
August 13, 2008, 10:54:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Olby Sucks | 08.13.08 - 10:56 pm |
Wrong again OS....Riiiiipped straight from H.W Bush's mouth.
August 13, 2008, 10:54:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Maybe so, haggy. But all the rage on your fav blog. Along with "kkklannity" and "makris" over and over.
August 13, 2008, 10:58:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Maybe so, haggy.
Olby Sucks | 08.13.08 - 11:03 pm |
This post time/date has been noted....OS admits to being wrong for the 1st time.
August 13, 2008, 11:07:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> why should Fox News by my source of news, when NO ONE ELSE talked about it?
Fox never reported this story? Do you have evidence for that? I hope that you wouldn't make up a statement like that out of thin air so I await your documentation. I assume you will have it by 11:55 Boston time.
August 13, 2008, 11:25:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> A little light humour never harmed anyone
Your light humour is too often an attempt to turn this into a political discussion. A few more such attempts and our sole resident at a lovely vacation hideaway may soon have company!
By the way, they must have a terrific ISP at Exile Island. Our current resident has been peppering me with emails about everything from the rules of the site to the meaning of the word 'scam'. They are just too amusing not to share, so at some point I'll try to assemble them into some coherent presentation.
August 13, 2008, 11:29:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
"Riiiiipped straight from H.W Bush's mouth."
HaggisFarmer | 08.13.08 - 10:59 pm | #
Actually HF, his exact quote was
"Did you you see our man Ailes at all?"
in reference to wanting to know if Rush saw Roger Ailes at Tony Snows funeral. (You know Tony Snow, he's the guy the newshounds insulted when he died and many of their minions were cheering for when he died.)
Of course, your hatred of FNC blinds you to the truth, you obvioously read this statement as proof of a conspiracy between Ailes and the Bush family, but it is a common thing in the US for one person in a conversation to refer to a third party as "our man", "our girl", "our pal", etc when that person is a mutual friend or acquaintence.
But please, don't let reasonable analysis interfere with your plans.
August 13, 2008, 11:31:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Ashley...Keep paddling!
August 13, 2008, 11:40:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
And Limbaugh's answer was something along the line of having seen him at the funeral. Both Limbaugh and Ailes Sr had worked with Ailes years before, another fact that always tends to get lost.
August 13, 2008, 11:44:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.13.08 - 11:49 pm |
Spin...Spin...Spin...We all know what "our man Ailes" really means
August 13, 2008, 11:47:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Missy
Sorry if already posted (I didn't look at all 133 posts before mine).
Anyway, Colin Powell now says he is NOT going to the DNC:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/powell-says-hes.html
August 13, 2008, 11:48:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Missy
Does anyone know where I may be able to view the cast of the Bernie Mac show discussing his death? They were on Larry King last night and I just caught the end of it.
I went to the CNN site and did see the other three guys talking about him, but not the kids on the show.
August 13, 2008, 11:51:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Aeris Gainsborough
Well, after I watched the rerun of Bill O'Reilly's show, I was right, no mention of that ICE story, at all.
However, I don't know if there are other FOX News commentators, who reported on it.
I will not watch H&C, because I can't stand a Corporist Liberal, and well, don't get me started with Hannity.
Besides, Mike Malloy, didn't even talk about it, and would FOX News touch a story from the NY Times, and/or Democracy Now, I really don't think so.
To Fox Fan, I don't want to be racist here, but the guy is asian. I don't think his cancer would be treated, if he was deported.
August 13, 2008, 11:59:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Missy, there are a couple clips from it here but I haven't found the whole show anywhere:
http://tinyurl.com/5rkmuu
> However, I don't know if there are other FOX News commentators, who reported on it.
Thank you.
> would FOX News touch a story from the NY Times, and/or Democracy Now, I really don't think so.
Based on what? Do you have any idea how many NY Times stories they report? It's obvious that you don't know much about Fox and watch little of it. So you're forgiven for making such a foolish comment.
August 14, 2008, 12:02:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply
HaggisFarmer
Missy | 08.13.08 - 11:56 pm |
Don't know if this is what you after.
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2008/08/13/lkl.bernie.mac.cnn
August 14, 2008, 12:04:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Spin...Spin...Spin...We all know what "our man Ailes" really means
HaggisFarmer | 08.13.08 - 11:52 pm | #
It's no secret you get your "news" from the discredited newshounds. I saw the post in reference to "Bush's words," "our man Ailes." Btw, who's back pedaling? Actually, it's another lie. Chalk up another for purple smoker/hagis farmer!
August 14, 2008, 12:09:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Spin...Spin...Spin...We all know what "our man Ailes" really means
HaggisFarmer | 08.13.08 - 11:52 pm | #
Yes, all of us, except you.
August 14, 2008, 12:18:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Results 1 - 10 of about 6,450,000 for fox news new york times. (0.28 seconds)
August 14, 2008, 12:37:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
I know that this is an old topic, but there are some points worth noting.
Let's assume that Kristol's story is false.
I am struck by Powell's calling Kristol's report his musings.
If that report is nothing more than musings, then Mark is likely correct in his analysis. Kristol conjured up the report to call attention to himself.
Let's suppose however that Kristol is correct in where he got the story. Kristol says that he received the news from people who are in the Obama camp.
On that, Kristol may be telling the truth. Rove (whom HF originally accused of being behind the story) had no motive for propagandizing that falsehood.
But the Obama folks sure did. It is a story that is designed (again assuming that it is false) to sow dissension in Republican ranks and to dishearten the McCain campaign effort.
So, from the Obama camp you have both motive and opportunity. If there is any deviousness here, I bet it is coming from the Obama campaign.
August 14, 2008, 1:27:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
I think it is a good idea to visit J B$ and, politely, on topic, knock off his and his posters non-sense, because sites like his continue to spread RW-B$ and just ignoring it won't stop it.
Average American Patriot
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Agreed. I'm thinking of starting a YouTube Channel devoted to his lies.
Ellen | Homepage | 08.14.08 - 1:13 am | #
Patsy, knock somebody off? On topic? Politely? Can't wait for this! :lol:
August 14, 2008, 1:32:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
OS,
This is an interesting post.
Looks like Ellen Brodsky is toning down her language a little. Note she did not call Johnny a P* as she did in a previous post.
This time she agrees that when NHers come here they shoud be "polite and on topic."
Before she said that NHers cannot be too rude when they post here.
I wonder if it is beginning to dawn on Ellen that she has made herself extremely vulnerable to a lawsuit.
What she does not explain is this: Why can't people from this site go to NH and post (without being deleted or admonished) so long as we are polite and on topic?
Why can't Johnny post there as long as he is polite and on topic?
Johnny has said that Ellen is welcome to post at this site if she is polite and on topic. [In fact I have witnessed an impolite post or two from Ellen not being deleted]
Wouldn't it be easier to show us up when we post and Newshounds? Why not give us a level playing field when we are there so that they can intellectually demolish us whenever we post there?
I wonder why Average American Patriot did not raise those questions with Ellen.
I wonder if he would be willing to raise those questions.
Nahhh. Probably not.
Raising those questions with Ellen would require courage . . . and as we all know Average American Patriots have no courage!!
August 14, 2008, 1:59:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
Danny | 08.14.08 - 2:04 am
AAP is busy right now wishing me a brain tumor.
August 14, 2008, 2:29:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
So that is his definition of polite?
And he wonders why so many of his posts are deleted at Dollars site.
August 14, 2008, 3:29:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
vstol | 08.14.08 - 2:34 am
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What a humorless, cranky, whiny old dude.
I took your original post, where you described yourself in very favorable terms, and substituted it with words of a similar pronunciation but made to make fun of you.
Now, pay attention old dude, what does
"Obama Nation" sounds like?
It is no secret. It has been all over. By now you should know since some "regulars" have used it.
But you probably don't have any problem with it.
August 14, 2008, 8:50:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
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August 14, 2008, 9:00:15 AM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
Average American Patriot | 08.14.08 - 8:55 am
Wowser! Talk about projection!
One can only assume that since imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, you would be The One who doesn't have any problem with "Obama Nation."
August 14, 2008, 10:04:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
OS, please send me (via email) the link to that exchange between OS and Ellen so I can save it to my ever-increasing file.
August 14, 2008, 10:33:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Is this like in Junior High when you didn't wear your supporter to gym class and that fact was going to be put in your permanent record?
August 14, 2008, 10:46:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
Olby Sucks | 08.14.08 - 1:37 am
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Jeff, you want the list?
Bob Cox
Johnny
Cee
Cecelia
Janet
Sharon
Brandon
Wolverine
Now for the easy ones:
You, Jeff.
Phony Soldier
Puck
Rico
The Factor
I apologize if I missed someone.
August 14, 2008, 11:54:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Well since this is my site, please document why you just included me on that list. With a specific link back to your evidence. You will either need to do that or retract your statement.
August 14, 2008, 12:04:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
AAP has claimed that Georgia is our enemy. That explains that list, above. Babbling incoherently.
August 14, 2008, 12:18:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.14.08 - 12:09 pm
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Does "Paris Business Review" ring a bell, Johnny?
Do you remember deleting that post a few times?
August 14, 2008, 12:44:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
No relevant bells. It's just an off-topic post, one of many, that got sent bye-bye. But you claimed something about the term "Obama Nation" and listed my name as one of the "regulars" who use it.
You have one last chance to document that, or take it back.
August 14, 2008, 12:48:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
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August 14, 2008, 12:49:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Yesterday we learned that McCain has supposedly known Georgia's president Mikheil Saakashvili since Saakashvili was 16 years old; that McCain is so close to him that he calls him "Misha," and that McCain has talked to "Misha" every every single day during this crisis.
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That is the complete punch line.
McSame talking to "Misha" every single day. LOL!
But Madam Speaker Pelosi is suspect of "negotiating with the enemy"
Average American Patriot | 08.13.08 - 11:54 pm | #
:lol:
August 14, 2008, 12:53:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.14.08 - 12:53 pm
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I didn't write that YOU, Johnny, said it or write it or use it. I didn't write that YOU, Johnny have allowed it IN YOUR SITE.
I wrote that some of your regulars, used it.
1) royal king
August 14, 2008, 12:54:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> I didn't write that YOU, Johnny, said it or write it or use it. I didn't write that YOU, Johnny have allowed it IN YOUR SITE.
Well, then I have to wonder why why name was second on your list. But we'll go with that.
I would prefer, however, that you take your complaints about comments made elsewhere, TO elsewhere, rather than complaining about them here, where they weren't made.
August 14, 2008, 12:57:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
AAP,
I have no idea why my name is on a list. It sounds like commenters who have used the term Obama Nation. Why am I on that list?
August 14, 2008, 1:10:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.14.08 - 1:02 pm
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Because you didn't keep up with the thread.
I was responding to this:
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Patsy, knock somebody off? On topic? Politely? Can't wait for this!
Olby Sucks | 08.14.08 - 1:37 am
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Furthermore, Johnny, you allow smears and nonsense from some of your regulars, but if they are called as what they are, you find that "offensive"
See:
royalking | 08.14.08 - 12:58 pm
August 14, 2008, 1:16:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
sharm | 08.14.08 - 1:15 pm
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No.
The list was to answer this:
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Patsy, knock somebody off? On topic? Politely? Can't wait for this!
Olby Sucks | 08.14.08 - 1:37 am
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I also apologized to you, Sharm, for insulting you, as best as I recall, a couple of times.
The other exchanges were polite, on topic and just exchanging ideas. I also explained that I was not seeking to make you believe or dis-believe, but to expand your understanding of religious positions through History.
Again. I was responding to Jeffy B.
August 14, 2008, 1:42:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fire Gretchen Carlson
I like everything the Average American Patriot say. He rocks
August 14, 2008, 1:52:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Welcome back, Patrick!
August 14, 2008, 2:02:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
I wouldn't call that knocking me off, but I will say this:
Teilhard de Chardin is not the key to the truth...
August 14, 2008, 2:03:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
This thread reminds me of the grandfather in "Moonstruck" who put his head in his hands and started crying and saying, "I am so confused." Please respect my right to remain in that state.
August 14, 2008, 2:06:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Actually, Sharon, Madame de Teilhard thought "Le Phénomène Humain" to be brilliant and insightful, although I tend to be his crowning work some of his essays, especially those of the time of "L'Energie Humaine". But, then I am always drawn to censured theorists.
August 14, 2008, 2:12:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fire Gretchen Carlson
Its nice to be back
August 14, 2008, 2:13:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fire Gretchen Carlson
Moonstruck great analogy.
August 14, 2008, 2:14:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
"although I tend to be his crowning work some of his essays,"
Well, if Johny hasn't blasted the past few comments yet, he is sure to do so after viewing the above ...
August 14, 2008, 2:23:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fire Gretchen Carlson
About David Gregory, although I am a fan of MSNBC, who can blame him for appearing on The John Stewart Show it does get better rating.!
August 14, 2008, 2:35:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mark
Lucky for him, Johnny deleted his post where he called me a liar.
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Yet, you repeat it. Amazing!
August 14, 2008, 3:08:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
The point of deleting posts that use name-calling is to prevent name-calling. Discussing the deleted post afterward defeats the purpose of attempting to maintain decorum. So please let's not do that.
August 14, 2008, 3:20:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Amazing, so did you!
August 14, 2008, 3:31:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
3:36 was response to 3:13.
August 14, 2008, 3:33:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
sharm | 08.14.08 - 2:08 pm
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I said we had a civil exchange of ideas on a subject of great interest to you, but in a couple of instances you said something so ridiculous that it deserved laughter.
I said you ought to consider Teilhard's views, along with his historical context and the response from the hierarchy, in contrast to other current fundamental views, ie, Cee.
I know this is getting waaaaaaaay off topic.
If you remember Cee's comments, in his twisted beliefs, you have committed several sins.
I didn't expect you to answer for Cee, just like I didn't demand that you answer for "Phony Soldier" since it is evident they are on the faaaaaar, very faaaaaaar fringe.
This is where the "knocking off" part comes for you to be in "the list." One of your responses was to dismiss Teilhard as some "heretic" just like Cee rejects the mountains of fossils spanning thousands and millions of years.
Now, who else wants to argue the mention of "the list"?
August 14, 2008, 5:36:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> I know this is getting waaaaaaaay off topic.
That it is. Now you seem to be discussing comments made at another site by people who doesn't even post here! So enough of that.
August 14, 2008, 5:45:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.14.08 - 5:50 pm
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Thanks, Johnny.
Another chance to point out what your "regulars" do, which is OK as long as they go along with your bias.
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Like newshounds? ... More to come....
Olby Sucks | 08.13.08 - 5:09 pm |
Riiiiipped from the newshounds!
Olby Sucks | 08.13.08 - 10:56 pm |
Patsy, knock somebody off? On topic? Politely? Can't wait for this!
Olby Sucks | 08.14.08 - 1:37 am
AAP is busy right now wishing me a brain tumor.
vstol | 08.14.08 - 2:34 am
AAP has claimed that Georgia is our enemy. That explains that list, above. Babbling incoherently.
Olby Sucks | 08.14.08 - 12:23 pm
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You are not going to say those posts were in reference to something I posted at your site, Johnny.
Were those posts talking about something I posted in your site, Johnny?
August 14, 2008, 7:29:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I'm trying to limit this kind of stuff. So thanks for starting it all up again.
Some of those reference comments about this site, which gives them some relevance. Others don't and I ask again that this back and forth stuff be minimized, not revitalized.
August 14, 2008, 7:50:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Patsy, you said you never claimd that Georgia was our enemy. I post proof you did and now you're feverishly diverting. :o(
I'm minimizing the back and forth and will restrain myself from making a personal atack by calling you a liar so I'll say no more.
August 14, 2008, 8:02:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.14.08 - 7:55 pm
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I wouldn't worry.
My quote above was not comprehensive, just a sample.
You have at least 3 of your "regulars" who bring their whining over to your site.
Jeff, vstol, Danny.
August 14, 2008, 8:07:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
Jeff | 08.14.08 - 8:07 pm
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You must be on some seriously f-d up drugs to even hallucinate something I didn't say.
I didn't call Georgia an enemy of the USA.
I said McSame ought to shut his trap about something he does not know nothing about,
even when McSame claims to talk to "Misha" everyday.
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You are bringing up something I didn't post at Johnny's site, but something you couldn't debate at the site with the original post.
August 14, 2008, 8:16:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
AAP,
I reject your characterization of whining. Maybe you are hyperventilating.
August 14, 2008, 8:20:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
but something you couldn't debate at the site with the original post.
Average American Patriot | 08.14.08 - 8:21 pm | #
Another lie. I did. They were deleted. Which you already knew!
August 14, 2008, 8:31:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
That is the complete punch line.
McSame talking to "Misha" every single day. LOL!
But Madam Speaker Pelosi is suspect of "negotiating with the enemy"
Average American Patriot | 08.13.08 - 11:54 pm | #
I didn't call Georgia an enemy of the USA.
I said McSame ought to shut his trap about something he does not know nothing about,
even when McSame claims to talk to "Misha" everyday.
by AAP
Sise by side analysis....
August 14, 2008, 8:33:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
Danny | 08.14.08 - 8:25 pm
I reject your characterization of hyperventilating. Maybe you are just whining.
(Probably this will be deleted)
LOL!
August 14, 2008, 8:37:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
Olby Sucks | 08.14.08 - 8:38 pm
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I think I finally figured out the reason for your ignorance, Jeffy.
It is the same issue I discussed with vstol.
Read it carefully, Jeffy.
McSame claims to know and talk to "Misha" everyday during the current crisis, and McSame claims to have known "Misha" since 25 years ago. Which is utter B$.
BUT
If Madam Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, talks to foreign officials and representatives, she is going beyond the limits of her position.
Here, Jeffy. So simple even you ought to understand it.
Senator McSame speaking with foreign officials - GOOD
Madam Speaker Nancy Pelosi speaking with foreign officials - BAD.
August 14, 2008, 8:51:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
AAP
I never said you were. I said MAYBE. Since I never accused you of hyperventilating, I could not have been whining.
Thanks for helping me prove my point.
I am still curious to see what you and Ellen call hyperventilating. Please answer my questions about Johnny's hyperventilating.
Then I will know.
August 14, 2008, 8:54:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Syria=enemy
Georgia=allie
This is a cabe news blog. Not politics. End of debunking.
August 14, 2008, 9:01:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Politics are fortunately/unfortunately intrinsic to cable news. The former IMO.
August 14, 2008, 9:27:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
sharm
"but in a couple of instances you said something so ridiculous that it deserved laughter." AAP
Big of you to make a claim I can't discuss because of further rules violations.
August 14, 2008, 10:04:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Big of you to make a claim I can't discuss because of further rules violations.
sharm | 08.14.08 - 10:09 pm | #
Precisely.
August 14, 2008, 10:41:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
Were those posts talking about something I posted in your site, Johnny?
Average American Patriot | 08.14.08 - 7:34 pm
AAP,
My comment was a direct response to a post by Danny that talked about how people were treated differently at NH and J$P I addressed it to him. I was responding to a comment on this site about what folks at NH were saying about this site.. My comment was pertinent to the discussion under way.
You called me a humorless, cranky, whiny old dude. You said your tumor comment was a play on words to make fun of me. As I said next door, we have two disparate genres of humor In addition, it appears we also respond differently to being made fun of. Insults and name-calling appear to be your default position when someone disagrees with you, makes fun of you or corrects you. Plus taking comments out of context.
I suggest you and any others who wish to see what actually transpired go back to
Olby Sucks | 08.14.08 - 1:37 am
and read the thread up to
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.14.08 - 12:53 pm |
I suggest you adopt some principles, beginning with:
Do unto others as you would want others to do unto you.
PS I love cable TV!
August 14, 2008, 10:54:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
I think it is a good idea to visit J B$ and, politely, on topic, knock
off his and his posters non-sense, because sites like his continue to
spread RW-B$ and just ignoring it won't stop it.
Average American Patriot
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Funny I don't feel "knocked off." Does anyone else?
I thought I did rather well in our little exchange.
I also thought it was cowardly for AAP to run away and not even address my questions.
Looks like AAP failed in his mission, and sites like this one may continue to spring up . . . all because AAP failed!
August 14, 2008, 10:55:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
BTW, AAP never said Georgia was our enemy.
August 14, 2008, 10:57:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Thanks, vstol. I'll remember that. He may not have said it, but, he implied it. Which was the point.
August 14, 2008, 11:30:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
OS,
Hate to disagree, but since I was the object of scorn in the discussion, I'm certain he wasn't implying Georgia was our enemy. They (NH) were already confused about Pelosi being criticized for meeting with ?Iraqi? officials, instead of Syria. I said I was pretty sure a visit by her with Iraqi officials would be welcomed by all, "unless, of course, she was trying to negotiate with a foreign government." It went downhill hill from there. There were plenty of screw ups, but calling Georgia an enemy wasn't one of them, which would have been fine if he was a Florida Gator.
August 15, 2008, 12:04:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
Danny | 08.14.08 - 8:59 pm
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fugging HaloScan ate my comment again.
Here we go...
I do not speak for News Hounds.
I do not speak for Ellen.
I have no relationship with News Hounds other than my posts there,
some which have been deleted for not following their comment policies.
I did encourage the debate of them "LBRULS" with "CONS" with civility.
I also warned that there might be individuals so overwhelmed by passion that they might be irresponsible.
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I told you, as a courtesy, that I would be away for a few hours.
Only to come back and find that you had already discounted any arguments I might offer. So I didn't bother to reply to something you wouldn't consider, anyway.
If I didn't include you in "the list" is because so far I have not seen you writing something so outrageous to consider you RW-nut material.
AND
I did not say Johnny $ was hyperventilating.
August 15, 2008, 12:33:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
That's all the ammo aap needs. When a person compares pelosi meeting with Syria to McCain talking to "Misha." Well, I rest my case.
If you only knew aap's past as being horribly dishonest you would understand.
He will turn what you are saying, simply disagreeing with me, into "people on your own side are caling you a moron, bovine!" That's how disingenuious he is, to put it mildly.
August 15, 2008, 12:37:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
AAP,
The questions I had reference to are in the Wednesday thread with this stamp
Danny | 08.14.08 - 8:09 pm | #
The questions do not assume that you speak for Newshounds.
You did converse with Ellen (I cut and pasted the post), and Ellen accused Johnny of "hyperventilating attacks."
You did not dispute what Ellen said.
Well . . . I'll let you chew on the rest of the questions for a while.
I am about to leave the house and I might not return to the thread until tomorrow afternoon.
August 15, 2008, 12:47:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
vstol | 08.14.08 - 10:59 pm
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Cranky old dude, you really make it difficult when you stick to fairness.
You are correct in pointing out differences of style, but remember that there are opinions and statements so ignorant that the reaction would be
- Did he really say that?
Others before you have offered similar advice
- You have a good point there, but maybe you shouldn't make it that way.
You write like a well balanced cranky old dude, so I look forward to your posts.
August 15, 2008, 1:17:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Average American Patriot
sharm | 08.14.08 - 10:09 pm
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That is not my intention at all.
I said, and I repeat, my apology for insulting you, as best as I remember, in two occasions.
Because you seemed to have a greater discernment. Then you posted something so extreme that I couldn't believe it, and I mocked you to criticize you for it.
August 15, 2008, 1:32:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
AAP,
Sorry I was in a hurry. This is the stamp for my questions
Danny | 08.14.08 - 2:04 am | #
A couple of post later I asked a question regarding your troll hall of fame thread.
August 15, 2008, 4:11:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Danny
AAP,
I was right to begin with. Here's the (correct stamp again)
Danny | 08.14.08 - 8:09 pm | #
It was from the Thursday thread.
I am trying to avoid reposting my post because it was rather long.
However, I WOULD like for you to address my questions. They do NOT presume that you speak for Newshounds.
August 15, 2008, 4:19:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply
