Monday Cable News Links and Open Thread
Friday's numbers: FNC sweeps.
Imus to FBN?! Analysis: Mediaite, ICN. Hot & Not.
Megyn's fairness, Shuster's slip-ups.
CNBC's slump (via 'Boomer).
Why Olby banned Milbank.
Truce abuse: Reliable. FAIR targets GE.
Murdoch: screwball or saviour? Maddow in Beckett.
MSNBC's birther obsession. The Elkhart project.
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puck30
Peter Schiff talks about last Friday with 'The Rude MSNBC Host'. It starts at the 8min. mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK3garOuKhw
August 10, 2009, 1:51:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
[msg edited - challenge pending]
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August 10, 2009, 8:24:07 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
Here is a link to an article in the Wall Street Journal by James taranto regarding Nancy Pelosi's swastika remarks and Paul Krugman's remarks about the Town Hall meetings.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204908604574336462379328406.html
A very good article without the typical News Hounds type attacks, smears and vile personal attacks.
Ellen has posted her latest screed about this as well but she only showed one side of the issue.
This is a response to her post.
p.s. I will give her a tiny little credit on this one. No smears or personal attacks. She left that to her poodles as usual.
And to think that she blames Glenn Beck for encouraging violence.
August 10, 2009, 11:34:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
My last post should have noted that it was Julie that posted the screed about the Town Halls.
August 10, 2009, 11:46:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
[msg edited - challenge pending]
I'm waiting!
August 10, 2009, 12:34:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
You are being rather cagey. You have one last chance to either stand by your claim or amend what you said. If you do not do either then I will take your next post to mean you stand by what you said and proceed accordingly.
August 10, 2009, 1:00:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
this is getting interesting!
August 10, 2009, 1:13:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Haggis yesterday: I notice the weekend friends had Dr. Marc Siegel on again to dish up his talking points....The same talking points he dished up for the weekday Friends. Of course there was absolutely NO opposing viewpoint...
What Haggis neglected to mention is that after Dr Siegel's segment, they did an interview with Rep Joe Sestak (D). Giving the opposing viewpoint. (Of course Media Matters, Haggie's source, somehow didn't mention that either.)
I gave Haggis several opportunities to correct or amend what he said, but when I gave him one last chance to do so, he posted about a different topic entirely. That post didn't go thru because by that time Haggis had definitively lost the Moderator's Privilege Challenge. 24 hours on Exile Island for trying to fool the readers of J$P.
August 10, 2009, 1:28:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Peter
You are right about Rep Joe Sestak (D) being on. But why was he not on at the same time Dr Siegel? was on?
Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to take Haggis's side.
August 10, 2009, 1:40:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Missy
I don't get it - if FBN is trying to establish itself as a viable business network, why would they put HIM, especially at those hours, when people are watching for futures and around the world data? This would truly force the viewer to CNBC.
Imus was OK, but he's not THAT big of a draw, is he?
August 10, 2009, 1:40:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
"But why was he not on at the same time Dr Siegel? was on? "
Why should he be? There is no Noah's Ark rule in tv news (all guests must appear in pairs). Does Meet the Press or any tv news show you know of follow such a rule?
August 10, 2009, 1:47:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
To say "Of course there was absolutely NO opposing viewpoint..."
was an outright lie intended to manipulate and deceive.
We're also waiting for Haggis to answer this direct, specific question posed to him after he made a similar "no balance" claim:
Why don't you, instead of trying to divert the conversation to Cavuto, explain how it was that you didn't know about (or simply didn't tell teh truth about) the pro-healthcare guests on F&F this morning?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.07.09 - 5:26 pm | #
August 10, 2009, 1:54:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Peter
There is no rule about having to be on at the same time. But if Joe was there to talk about the same thing as Dr Siegel then I'd have thought they would both be on at the same time. I didn't actually see the segment with Joe but read that he would be on. Is there any video of that segment. Haggis DON'T post MM links as I DON'T go there.
August 10, 2009, 2:06:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Interesting info on the ideological impurities that caused Keith Olbermann to cast aside Dana Milbank.
Anyone have any idea what thought or speech crime caused Craig Crawford (formerly Olbermann's Brain) to be banished from Olbermann's china world?
August 10, 2009, 2:19:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Haggis wants to say that he did not lose the challenge, because Joe Sestak, though he spoke about healthcare, did not discuss the same points that Dr Siegel did.
What say you all? Is Haggis in the right? Or did the Quorum make the right call? Cast your votes now! Decision in three hours will be determined by your votes! (Note: no proxy-server votes will be counted. Sorry, Haggie!)
August 10, 2009, 2:29:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
Miss Priscilla/Claudo/He/she/it( It is just so hard nowadays to tell what people are) posted about Nancy Pelosi and her "unamerican" remark.
In her post she screeches that Nancy never called the protestors "unamerican" but she came very close. As Speaker of the House she should no better.
Priscilla went on to complain how Fox handle the story.
Well, I am her to complain about Priscilla handles her post.
Pelosi said "Drowning out opposing views is simply un-American".
Priscilla's response should have been something along these lines.....
"As any conservative who has ever tried to give a speech on some American university campuses could attest."
Come on Priscill, if you are going to complain you really need to do better.
August 10, 2009, 2:54:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
Haggis is just being his normal pain in the ass, burr under the saddle.
I vote against him.
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August 10, 2009, 3:00:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
As Keith Olbermann would say, the Quorum was damn right on the challenge.
August 10, 2009, 3:14:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
I vote against Haggis.
I also have a question for him. Of course, he won't answer it. He'll either claim that he did when he really didn't, or simply ignore. Here we go.
If you are concerned that Joe Sestak did not discuss the same points that Dr Siegel did, then are you equally upset that Dr. Siegel was not allowed by the friends to comment about what Joe Sestak said?
August 10, 2009, 3:33:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Peter
I know I'm new here posting wise but I do read the blog. I said in above post that I hadn't seen the video of Joe. I found it on YouTube. Much as it pains me to say, Haggis has a point.
August 10, 2009, 3:34:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Go ahead, Johnny, make my day!
August 10, 2009, 3:48:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Cast your votes now! Decision in three hours will be determined by your votes! (Note: no proxy-server votes will be counted. Sorry, Haggie!)
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.10.09 - 2:34 pm | #
Do HappySmoker, PurpleSmoker, Alabama Dem, Chippy Minton, Bungling Bob, Nibbles, and Stan get to vote?
August 10, 2009, 3:48:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Um, no.
By my count the vote is 1 for Haggis, 3 for the Quorum. I'm not sure what Grammie's vote is so I'll leave it alone! A little under two hours left in the voting. Haggis complains that the vote's unfair because so many people don't like him. Fair point: cast your votes on the basis of the arguments, not based on past incidents--which would leave Haggis no chance at all!
August 10, 2009, 3:51:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
RyanBunnyman
For those who haven't seen the Joe video.
I vote haggis stays (NH regular)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5u4i3WWV4Oo
August 10, 2009, 4:04:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
The following is my reassessment of my vote, which was against Haggis.
According to J$ -
Haggis wants to say that he did not lose the challenge, because Joe Sestak, though he spoke about healthcare, did not discuss the same points that Dr Siegel did.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.10.09 - 2:34 pm | #
Let's see what Haggis said earlier:
"notice the weekend friends had Dr. Marc Siegel on again to dish up his talking points....The same talking points he dished up for the weekday Friends. Of course there was absolutely NO opposing viewpoint. ...The Friends simply let him spew away without a single challenge to anything he said."
"absolutely no opposing viewpoint" is flat out wrong.
"without a single challenge" is flat out wrong.
Haggis is flat out wrong.
My vote remains unchanged. I vote against Haggis, with the Quorum.
August 10, 2009, 4:08:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
RyanBunnyman
..The same talking points he dished up for the weekday Friends. Of course there was absolutely NO opposing viewpoint. ...The Friends simply let him spew away without a single challenge to anything he said."
Ashley | 08.10.09 - 4:13 pm |
If you watch the video you will find haggis to be spot on the money with that statement. just stating the facts. I've no bone in this fight.
August 10, 2009, 4:19:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
You can exile one troll, but two will take their place at two different IP addresses.
August 10, 2009, 4:24:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
"If you watch the video you will find haggis to be spot on"
RyanBunnyman | 08.10.09 - 4:24 pm | #
Haggis, you have got to be kidding.
August 10, 2009, 4:39:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Richard
Haggis told what I think is a flat out lie....and not for the first time. Its clear he doesnt understand how TV works....and lets be honest...if Fox had had both on....he would be saying the Pro Gov care didnt get to say as much as the anti.
August 10, 2009, 4:43:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply
RyanBunnyman
Ashley | 08.10.09 - 4:44 pm |
Just admit your assertions were wrong and stop fluffing the straw.
Did Joe get one question on rationing?
August 10, 2009, 4:55:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Haggis, you still have got to be kidding.
August 10, 2009, 5:11:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
By the way Haggis, you demanding anyone to "just admit" is a farce.
You have adequately demonstrated yourself to be the state-of-the-art as a human ducking, dodging, & deflecting machine.
August 10, 2009, 5:18:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
RyanBunnyman
Ashley | 08.10.09 - 5:16 pm |
Ashley | 08.10.09 - 5:23 pm |
Furious straw fluffing is all I'm seeing here.
Just a cursory glance of the evidence clears haggis.
Your always demanding folk answer your questions. So I'm doing the demanding now
"Did Joe get one question on rationing?"
August 10, 2009, 5:41:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Oh really "Ryan", you know that to be fact? I'm always doing it? Interesting that you pick just now to post for the first time here.
You know, it really is pathetic to see someone have to invent a new identity to write posts that agree with their other posts. Examples of "Stan" and "Bungling Bob". BB arrived moments after Haggis was banned last summer. After one or two posts saying "hi", BB quickly rushed to Haggis' defense and complained that Haggis was banned, afterall, BB wanted to hear what Haggis had to say.
Really pathetic.
Even the l'il feller never did that.
August 10, 2009, 6:00:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Well I don't see from the IP addresses any connection between Haggis and Ryan, so let's not get into personal accusations here. However, Ryan and Peter both, by coincidence, seem to come from the very same city and ISP. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
August 10, 2009, 6:04:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Spud has convinced me: Imus going to FBN would destroy FBN and prop up CNBC. And somewhere, Cablevision CEO James Dolan is saying "Good, then the station can die and I'll look like a genius for not opting to add it to my company's TV lineup." And he's also thinking, "Only on Cablevision, not on phone company TV or anywhere else."
August 10, 2009, 6:07:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Peter?
Yes, no need for personal accusations.
Ryan, I have no bone to pick with you. I'll be glad to discuss the merits of the telecast, opposing views, the players involved, etc with Haggis AFTEr he addresses my concerns which I have stated earlier. He knows what they are. When Haggis does do the gentlemanly thing by answering my questions, since I've answered his, then we can move forward and you, Ryan, will learn my answers at this time.
By the way Ryan, where do you hail from? As a regular reader of J$P, you would know that we share that info.
California. You?
August 10, 2009, 6:13:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Haggis is on Exile Island for another 20 hours or so. Unfortunately the vote was not in his favor. So he cannot answer your question until tomorrow. Sorry Haggis, it was a close call which is why I gave it a vote. But tomorrow is another day.
August 10, 2009, 6:17:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Oh, got Peter.
Apparently, I missed yet another new poster arriving in time to defend Haggis' during his short stay on exile island.
John, ya gotta admit, that is an amazing coincidence. It's one thing to come from the same city and have the same ISP, but to have a similar viewpoint? What are the odds????
By the way, am I not alone among J$P posters who hope Haggis is enjoying keeping up with events watching TV over the famous Exile Island Electric Satellite Dish?
August 10, 2009, 6:19:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
good grief-shuster lied again-so whos ahead in that department? olby or shuster
August 10, 2009, 6:30:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
By the same token of Sestak being featured alone, he also was allowed to "spew away" without rebuttal.
The gist of Haggis' criticism was that FNC does not give equal time to liberal viewpoints, or treat liberals as well as they do conservatives.
I vote that Haggis remain on Exile Island, throwing feces and coconuts with the other monkeys.
August 10, 2009, 6:57:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Furious straw fluffing is all I'm seeing here.
Just a cursory glance of the evidence clears haggis.
Your always demanding folk answer your questions. So I'm doing the demanding now
"Did Joe get one question on rationing?"
RyanBunnyman | 08.10.09 - 5:46 pm | #
Oh, that's idiotic!
Haggis' entire point was that liberal viewpoints are not treated equally on F&F.
If you're going to try and get around the fact that there was INDEED an equal alternative to Dr. Siegel by straining at a gnat-- that Sestak didn't get to address Siegel's points-- then you must also admit that Siegel didn't get to address Sestak's points either.
This would be called a draw, BUT for the fact that from the green room, Sestak could have watched Siegel commenting, and COULD have addresed Siegel's points, if he hadn't been busy trying to make his own.
Advantage: Sestak
You're voted off the island too, RyanBunnyMan. Take your straw man with you.
August 10, 2009, 7:05:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Cecelia - need I say it? CoTD!
August 10, 2009, 7:10:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
>I vote that Haggis remain on Exile Island<
I second that, and all his spin-offs.
August 10, 2009, 7:15:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I feel sorry for David Shuster's audience, but I REALLY feel sorry for his wife.
If you happened to hear Schuster's shrill high pitched squeal of "revolting!" after a press conference with former Miss USA- Carrie Prejean, you'll know exactly what I mean...
August 10, 2009, 7:23:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Love hearing the I-Man may be back on a simulcast!
I'm a fan of both he and his wife!
August 10, 2009, 7:26:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Thank you, Ashley.
sigh
I don't know why Johnny isn't as perceptive and as responsible as you are, when it comes to noticing and awarding CoTD material.
August 10, 2009, 7:43:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Cecelia, as I understand it, Johnny's reluctance is a financial one. Apparently, the Procurement Dept. at the Johnny Dollar Facility (located in Salina, Kansas...the near CENTER of th U.S.) ordered 10,000 "Cecelia" plaques for it's CoTD wall, but they used those all up in only a few weeks. Chief Financial Officer Haggis is suddenly unable to arrange for funds to buy new. Ever resourceful Johnny is trying to figure how to convert the many cases of unused, dust-ridden, Haggis plaques. We're hoping Haggis can provide some answers about the finances, but he's unavailable for comment.
August 10, 2009, 8:53:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
I wonder if the idiot Shuster said "revolting" when President Obama expresed his personal belief, which happened to be identical as Prejean.
August 10, 2009, 8:57:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ashley
"Johnny Dollar Facility" should have read "Johnny Dollar Hall of Fame Facility".
Blackberry's can be a pain.
August 10, 2009, 10:36:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
