Weekend Cable News Links and Open Thread
MSNBC: The Place for Politics?
Hit-and-run killer moralizes about FNC (via ICN).
Julie Banderas smacks Sanchez. More reax: FNC, Marc Lamont Hill. Sanchez: I was misquoted!?
Greta bans jargon.
The cable news war. F&F flogged.
Sunday talkers: HuffPo unrecap.
Profiles: Shep Smith, Jenna Lee, Wolf.
The Dobbs hubbub: Klein flip-flops? Pressure mounts.
Updated through the weekend. Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in this weekend's open thread. Standard rules apply. fox news cable news
Ashley
Rick Sanchez - What a downright stupid thing to say. The man is scum.
July 25, 2009, 12:20:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply
observer
Does the fact Laura Bush killed a man, make any past statements or future statements regarding matters of morality irrelevant?
July 25, 2009, 2:51:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Anne
Sanchez headline: the BEST Ever!
July 25, 2009, 3:23:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Sorry Rick, no one asked you to work at FoxNews & when you look in the mirror do you see a drunk that killed someone with his car?
July 25, 2009, 8:30:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
As a "journalist" who within minutes of reporting the murder of three Philly police office, linked it to conservative Republicans, and who spent the majority of his coverage of the Sotomayor confirmation hearings trying to foment minority anger against Republican committee members, this condescending jackass sold out to political partisanship long ago.
July 25, 2009, 9:37:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply
ZoneDaiatlas
Someone should post a tweet on his Twitter page if he has ran over any pedestrians lately whiled drunk and then leaving the scene of the accident.
July 25, 2009, 10:12:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply
ZoneDaiatlas
Sorry Observer but unlike Rick Sanchez, Laura Bush stayed at the scene of the accident unlike Rich Sanchez and a certain Senator from Massachusetts...
July 25, 2009, 11:05:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
Dirty Sanchez couldn't get a job at FNC cleaning Hannity's toilet. With an ego that big, you'd at least think he based it on something tangible instead of the farce that he's a success. It's a true measure of cowardice and moral ineptitude for someone to flee the scene of an accident that kills another human being.
Dirty Sanchez rant aside, a pic of Jenna Lee is glaringly missing from the weekend thread.
July 25, 2009, 12:30:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Does the fact Laura Bush killed a man, make any past statements or future statements regarding matters of morality irrelevant?
observer | 07.25.09 - 2:56 am | #
Another stupid hound who obviously knows nothing about the facts of that car accident that was NOT a hit an run such in Sanchez' case. Oh, and Laura Bush didn't write such a stupid post on twitter.
July 25, 2009, 12:30:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
ZoneDaiatlas | 07.25.09 - 11:10 am | #
Good point.
A question for Observer:
By your standard of "killed", does the fact Ted Kennedy killed a woman, make any past statements or future statements regarding matters of morality irrelevant?
observer | 07.25.09 - 2:56 am | #
July 25, 2009, 12:33:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
Poor observer.
I just love it when they get their asses handed to them. That's why Johnny's Haters Week in Review is so entertaining.
July 25, 2009, 3:34:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
bigred
J$, Along with not living the scene, unlike Sanchez, Laura Bush wasn't drunk driving. Nor has she been blaming talk show hosts for the shooting deaths of police officers.
July 25, 2009, 3:54:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply
observer
Maybe her car was too damaged to flee the scene or she had occupants in the car or witnesses at the scene, that made it a pointless exercise to flee. Do you have information to the contrary?
And what is it about conservative Christian phonies who claim to believe in redemption and forgiveness, but somehow that doesn't apply to somebody who doesn't share their politics.?
And if you think Sanchez shouldn't be able to work in television and be critical of others, what business did Laura Bush have being in the whitehouse repeatedly voicing her opinion on issues?
July 25, 2009, 4:37:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
Re: Julie & Dr. Hill's tweets: Ha-ha! You got served, Mr. Snide-And-Surly-Guy-On-CNN.
July 25, 2009, 4:41:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Not only did a teenage Laura Bush NOT flee the scene, she wasn't drunk either.
Frankly, I'm not crazy about punching Sanchez with something this devastatingly serious and emotional, over comments he makes about Fox News, but to compare what happen with Sanchez to ANYONE involved in a motor vehicle accident resulting in a death is just the worst!
July 25, 2009, 4:47:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
I appreciate the comments of FNC's own wise Latina!
You go, girl!
July 25, 2009, 4:49:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Um observer, we don't like it when people start dragging religion into these discussions. In case that wasn't clear, I'm talking about your 4:42 pm. I'm not sure I understand what Laura Bush has to do with this either. She didn't drive drunk, she didn't hit-and-run...she had an accident.
Sanchez, under the influence while driving, hit the guy, then scrammed home and had a few more to calm his nerves. If you want to argue that's irrelevant have at it. But it's clearly not 1/10 as irrelevant as Laura Bush--whose accident was nothing like Sanchez's, who wasn't drunk, who didn't flee the scene--oh, and who isn't on cable news (the subject of this blog, in case you forgot) talking about looking at himself in the mirror.
So let's avoid the off-topic excursions--especially if you want to attack people's religion, which is a no-no here.
July 25, 2009, 5:05:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
observer
You are a [expletive deleted].
If my post was off-topic then you shouldn't have posted my first comment.
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July 25, 2009, 5:54:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Name calling and personal attacks are not welcome here. If you cannot discuss without insults and casting aspersions on peoples' religions, then don't even bother trying.
July 25, 2009, 5:58:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
SallyHansen
Buh-bye Observer!
....troll.
July 25, 2009, 7:03:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Those hounds are something else. Lacking critical thinking skills, attacking someones religion, and profanity is their trademark.
Back to Sanchez, he's just another twit who thinks he has the authority to know and say what is good and not good for an entire group of people.
July 25, 2009, 7:19:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
2008
You are a [expletive deleted].
If my post was off-topic then you shouldn't have posted my first comment.
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observer | 07.25.09 - 5:59 pm | #
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OPPS!
Looks like another NH's regular forgot they were not in the cesspool at the Mutt Pound.
Sanchez was intovicated and fled the scene after killing a pedestrian, he certainly is less than credible as a 'moral compass'. He should consider himself quite lucky that he was only charged with the DUI and allowed to plead nolo to it.
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July 25, 2009, 7:40:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ramjet
Calling the owner of a website foul names ON HIS OWN WEBSITE, and complaining about not being deleted, and about being given a warning after calling believers "phony," accusing others of tying redemption to politics, playing a hypothetical "maybe" game to explain why Laura Bush was forced to do the right thing AND, insinuating some "think Sanchez shouldn't be able to work in television and be critical of others" when NO ONE made that assertion, then connecting that non-existant assertion to a totally different event in order to make a claim of hypocrisy about a First Lady speaking about issues might be considered hit-and-run posting while under the influence of stupidity.
July 25, 2009, 9:25:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Exactly, Ramjet! :+:
Good to see you and congratulations. Mike copied your Email here that BOR used a few days ago re Walter Cronkite and his infuence on the Vietnam war.
I agree with you about that.
July 25, 2009, 10:26:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
puck30
You are a [expletive deleted].
If my post was off-topic then you shouldn't have posted my first comment.
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observer | 07.25.09 - 5:59 pm | #
Did you ever hear that old saying......
Give em' enough rope?
So if I'm correct, this guy tweets at 8:19 & 8:22 pm on a Friday night.
Wonder what sent him off on this dopey rant?
There's more to this story.
July 26, 2009, 10:39:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply
puck30
Found this over at Ellen's myspace page.....
Our hope is that you will visit this site regularly so that over time you will come to see, as we have, the ways in which Fox News in particular, lies and distorts its "news" reporting and spins in favor of the Republican party. Let's put the dogs (and a fox or two) in the doghouse where they belong. We have them OUTFOXED!
Really? Hasn't posted any blogs, in fact hasn't even checked in about four months!!!!
Only has 229 friends ( I have 2000+)
There was one thing I found funny on the page.
Status: Single
Zodiac Sign: Cancer
She's also from New Jersey (figures)
http://www.myspace.com/newshounds
July 26, 2009, 11:47:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply
puck30
do u know how much money i'd make if i'd sold out as hispanic and worked at fox news, r u kidding, one problem, looking in mirror.
ok im back, just saw huffpost. good story but headline wrong! i say i couldn't work there, im not criticizing those who do. never said that.
And I am Missing what Rick?
July 26, 2009, 11:52:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"So if I'm correct, this guy tweets at 8:19 & 8:22 pm on a Friday night.
Wonder what sent him off on this dopey rant?"
Puck, where are those two tweets by the twit?
I wonder how this prime boor behaves in other peoples homes?
Does he rearrange their furniture while lecturing them on their wretched decor?
Does he sneeringly toss the meal in the garbage and demand a new one made of foods he likes with precise instructions on the right recipes?
Is he surprised when he never gets another invitation?
July 26, 2009, 1:24:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
That's hilarious that Sanchez is backpedaling now. How exactly does one misquote themselves?
Grammie, the tweets are in the "moralizes about" links.
July 26, 2009, 3:20:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
The only thing that struck me about Julie's reply to Rick Sanchez was that she, at the encouragement of employers, decided to not use her legal birth surname, Bidwell, and went with hispanic family name, Banderas, to capitalize on her being hispanic. So Sanchez does have a point about using being hispanic as a selling point (or sell out).....
Not saying one is better than another, but Julie has agreed to use the race card by changing her name.
JM.02
July 26, 2009, 3:40:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Wenchie, how do you know (that she, at the encouragement of her employers) what she was told by her employers. Provide evidence or withdraw the comment. BTW, she always indentifies herself as Julie Banderas when she appears on FoxNews, not Julie Bidwell. Just setting the record straight here, while you are making unsubstanciated comment.
July 26, 2009, 6:11:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ImNotBlue
Wenchie... is there any evidence that her employers "encouraged" her to use "Banderas?"
Can I see a link, please.
July 26, 2009, 6:17:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Wenchie is from the Olbermann school of misinformation, stating opinion as fact.
July 26, 2009, 6:41:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
http://blogoland.blogspot.com/2005/03/name-game_25.html
When she worked at WFSB (MY local CBS affiliate in Hartford, CT, she went by her legal last name, Bidwell. Its all documented.
July 26, 2009, 6:46:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
Feel free to check out the history of WFSB...You will find Julie Bidwell worked there...
Whether she chose to change it or was encouraged by others to change it...One thing is for certain...She DID change from her legal last name to the more hispanic family name of "Banderas"....and for professional reasons.
July 26, 2009, 6:50:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Your link does not substantiate your claim that her employers 'encouraged' her to use her mother's maiden name. So you were wrong about that, right?
July 26, 2009, 6:56:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
So you suggest she chose to do it on her own? Sure that is a possibilty
Either way she DID change it....and why would she do that??
To use her hispanic background to further her career?
Goes to what Rick said...
IMO it would make it worse for her to have changed it w/o encouragement of her employers....Makes it sound like she was exploiting her ethnic background for career opportunities...
I chose to think more highly of Julie because I think she is a decent journalist...
But if you want to view her as an opportunist feel free.
July 26, 2009, 7:03:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I'm not suggesting anything I don't know the facts about. You claimed she did so at her employer's encouragement, but the link you cite says no such thing. Then you decide it's worse if she didn't have that encouragement. Kind of a quick fli-flop there: you make a supposedly damning point, and when you can't prove it, you decide that not proving is even more damning than the original point!
Why did Jonathan Leibowitz become Jon Stewart? Why did Larry King change his name? What in the Wide World of Sports does this have to do with being a 'sell-out'? And how could you possibly claim Sanchez 'has a point' about Banderas, when Sanchez himself insists he wasn't talking about her?
You need to get your logical ducks in order.
July 26, 2009, 7:07:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
I claimed based on the link I provied yes. That is true. In included a (now defunked) link to the New York Observer (not known as a tabloid btw so I have no need to discount it)
Rick Sanchez suggested that as a hispanic he could cash in on that. Julie shot back. I found it odd that Julie would make such a shot since she deliberately changed her last name to highlight and cash in on her ethnic background and further her career. No biggie just like you suggested. But that was Sanchez's point
My logical ducks are in order J$. And I am not bothered by the implications.
I do have a question though that maybe you have an answer to....I noticed that the tweets you have linked to no longer show up on her page. Anyone know why she deleted them?
Just curious.
July 26, 2009, 7:16:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
"I claimed based on the link I provied yes. That is true."
Only your link says nothing about her employers encouraging her. That part you made up.
"she deliberately changed her last name to highlight and cash in on her ethnic background"
I didn't see that in your link either. Also made-up?
"I noticed that the tweets you have linked to no longer show up on her page. Anyone know why she deleted them?"
What, based on your mind-reading abilities you know why she changed her name, yet you need help as to why she deleted her tweets? Are your psychic powers on the fritz again? If you want me to play mind-reader, I won't do it. But if you like to make stuff up, feel free to plug in your crystal ball and start impugning motives again.
July 26, 2009, 7:21:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
Here is a link that works....
http://www.observer.com/node/45655
Makes it sound like Julie was interviewed
The Observer is not tabloid I may remind you
July 26, 2009, 7:22:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
I sent another link....decide for yourself
July 26, 2009, 7:23:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Thanks for the new link, which also does not substantiate your claims. But hey, at least it's longer!
July 26, 2009, 7:24:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
Can you tell me why in your opinion it doesnt ?
July 26, 2009, 7:25:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
To be honest Johnny I am not understand your logic now.
July 26, 2009, 7:27:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
No opinion, just fact. But you can prove me wrong. Quote from the article where it says her employers encouraged her to change her name. Then quote from the article where it says she changed her name to 'cash in'. I looked and didn't see either one in there. But if I'm wrong and the article really sez that, then I'll apologize.
July 26, 2009, 7:27:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
Prior to coming aboard WNYW, Ms. Banderas went by the name Julie Bidwell during on-air stints in Harrisonburg, Va., and Wilkes-Barre, Penn., among other locations. That prompted speculation among WNYW staffers that Ms. Banderas changed her name from Bidwell to Banderas to have a more ethnic-sounding surname. Ms. Banderas said that Banderas was a "family name," and that her mother and grandmother are of Colombian heritage. She also said the decision to make the change was made "together" with the station's management. "Her mom is Latin American and she chose to use that name to reflect that heritage, as lots of people in news do with their preferred names," said Ms. Van Allen, the Fox spokesperson. Gregg Willinger, Ms. Banderas' agent, said: "It's not that unusual in this business for people to have their names reflect their ethnic background, and Julie is Latina." But when asked if she was comfortable with her new on-air name, Ms. Banderas didn't sound particularly enthusiastic. "All I have to say is that I've adjusted to it," she said. "It's an adjustment. It's a change, I don't necessarily want to comment as to how I feel about it, whether it's a positive or a negative thing, I will say I have adjusted to it."
(No need to apologize...I appreciate your passion for facts that is why I like your blog)
July 26, 2009, 7:29:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
All I see is that she changed it reflect her Latina heritage. You know, the opposite of Jon Stewart who when he changed his name hid his ethnic heritage. So maybe you better boil it down a bit. Where does it say her employers encouraged her? And where does it say she did so to 'cash in'?
July 26, 2009, 7:39:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Wenchie can't back up her claims, acting kinda like Bill Macy in Fargo when he kept faxing altered documents that said nothing. But, this is fun for awhile on Sunday night, flushing out a person that has an obvious (my opinion, unlike wenchie's failure to admit her opinions) axe to grind, but can't provide proof regarding her claims.
July 26, 2009, 7:44:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I have no problem with opinions. Everyone has them, and that's what comments are for. But it is a bit troubling when people claim their opinions to be facts--even when it's something that they couldn't possibly know as a fact (like why someone did something) unless you are The Amazing Kreskin.
July 26, 2009, 7:46:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
Johnny if you tend to read and view things in strictly black and white terms and dont see the nuances in life then we are at an impasse.
Have a good evening.
July 26, 2009, 7:48:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
Sorry to have wasted your time.
And I am even more sorry I feel like I have just been attacked on a board that I have enjoyed so very much.
Esp considering I enjoy Fox (esp AN with Bill and Megyn)
How incredibly sad
July 26, 2009, 7:51:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Wenchie just said it all about how she goes about thinking. Johnny, you and I are just incapable of seeing the nuances in life and as such not worthy of further consideration or conversation. Well, wenchie, here is something for you to chew on: Posting your opinions as facts here relects on you, not those challenging them. You couldn't back them up, so you turned tail and ran. That is about as black and white as it gets, no nuance required. I am having a good evening!
July 26, 2009, 8:06:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Wenchie, someone disagreeing with you is not an attack. Neither is being asked to document what you say. Sorry that you feel it was a waste of time but I enjoy and welcome all commenters who can disagree without making it personal, even if I think they are wrong.
July 26, 2009, 8:37:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike C.
To be fair, which is hard considering whom we're talking about, I have taken disagreements as attacks in the past, too. But at the same time, I've literally been attacked and trolled.
July 26, 2009, 9:08:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
Oh I do think some of the comments both you and David have tossed at me are attacks and went well beyond just disagreeing and documentation
You yourself said..."What, based on your mind-reading abilities you know why she changed her name, yet you need help as to why she deleted her tweets? Are your psychic powers on the fritz again? If you want me to play mind-reader, I won't do it. But if you like to make stuff up, feel free to plug in your crystal ball and start impugning motives again."
If you sincerely think that is not an attack then Im not really interested in what you think is....
I wasnt being disrespectful...But I do both think and feel you and David were doing just that towards me.......
July 26, 2009, 9:12:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
wenchie | 07.26.09 - 7:56 pm |
take it from me, the posters here have disagreed with me many times. in saying that I keep coming back because I enjoy the site and like reading what they have to say.
July 26, 2009, 9:12:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Wenchie, that's called sarcasm. I'm sorry to say that it's a staple of my argumentation, but it's merely a style of debate. I don't consider the use of sarcasm a personal attack, but if you think otherwise you are so entitled.
July 26, 2009, 9:21:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply
wenchie
It is a fair statement to say that yes I think sarcasm can very much be one form of verbal attack....One of many
Just like I think that there are comedians who hide behind their comedy to attack sort of how a hunter uses a tree to hide behind(What the late night comedians did to Palin was a perfect example of this yet they claimed "comedy"...BS...they were personally attacking her)...
If in your truest of motivations and you can stand before God honestly believing that you did not attack me then I will leave that between you and He....
July 26, 2009, 9:35:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
chris
I said it before and I will say it again:
MSNBC is a joke of a news channel. When big news breaks on the weekends, they pretty much ignore it
July 26, 2009, 9:42:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ramjet
Hold on a cotton pickin' minuto!
Sanchez is clearly implying that FOX News would pay more money to an on-air talent just because they have an Hispanic name. That would mean, of course, that they would pay LESS to the same reporter if they had a non-Hispanic name; and likewise, that they would pay LESS to a different reporter with a non-Hispanic name.
Now, I could be wrong, even though the odds of that happening are approximately 7824.7 to one, but I believe that policy would violate several EOE laws against employee discrimination based upon race, color, religion, sex, ethnicity, or national origin.
Though in Mr. Sanchez's defense, banning employee discrimination based upon lack of talent, abbrasivenes and habitual acts of stupidity has evidently been implemented at CNN; proving once again, that CNN remains ahead of the curve as a groundbreaking media Goliath.
July 26, 2009, 9:53:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
ImNotBlue
So... it looks like Ms. Banderas used her family's name to highlight her heritage.
Some might say that it was only part of her family history, and that she's not really 100% Latina (perhaps 50/50), and therefor she's picking and choosing which ethnicity and race she wants to highlight, to advance her career.
Hmmm...
Next thing you'll tell me is she's running for President.
July 26, 2009, 10:17:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"That's hilarious that Sanchez is backpedaling now. How exactly does one misquote themselves?
Grammie, the tweets are in the "moralizes about" links.
Fox Fan | Homepage | 07.26.09 - 3:25 pm | # "
Thanks, FF. I was looking for additional Tweets that were not there.
Maybe Sanchez is the separated at birth twin to the guy who worked in the WH Counsel's office with Vince Foster who testified that he had lied to his diary. He did it with a straight face, too.
July 27, 2009, 12:12:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
Well, Wenchie, what opinion do you have of MS Hillary Rodham and her machinations to finally, or at least for now, settle on the most common practice even today of a woman taking her husband's surname upon marriage.
She was Hillary Rodham both before and after her marriage to Bill Clinton.
She changed to using Hillary Rodham Clinton after he lost his first bid for governor in conservative Arkansas and before his second victorious gubernatorial campaign.
She continued to use the HRC untill either some point in her husband's Presidency OR after when she has been using Hillary Clinton for her senatorial and then Presidential bid.
She has continued using Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State.
And there is always our current President and his variations of his name. During the campaign those who referred to him as B Hussein Obama or Barrack Hussein Obama were roundly and widely critiizised for both xenophobia and racism. Yet now he sometimes emphasizes the Hussen and has he and those in his admin sometimes highlight the Hussen.
You seem to consider Julie Bidwell/Banderas switching to her Hispanic maternal surname as something a bit sleazey that makes it improper to refer to her etnicity.
July 27, 2009, 12:52:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply
