Future Shock


We admit it: the Outfoxed gals did something right. But then there's all that other stuff...

It's time for another collection of pickings from the Fox Haters Grapevine, where all the branches have thorns, and the grapes are always sour. As is so often the case, that takes us to the newshounds (another fine product of the Outfoxed cabal). And yet, even we must admit when they do the right thing. After months of smearing the "vapid" Megyn Kendall and ridiculing Sean Hannity over the Duke Lacrosse matter, the mutts put up a one-paragraph post, eating a bit of crow:
FOX News (Greta, Hannity, O'Reilly et al) has this one pegged right from the beginning....

There was a little sniping but we're focusing on the positive. It is possible, even in the Fox Haters noise machine, to take responsibility for your errors. Our congratulations, but there is so much more to be done. For example, newspooch Donna revived an old standby when she wrote:
Today on Studio B with Shepard Smith they had a segment on with Jennifer Griffin reporting from the Pentagon (Comment: I don't know if Fox still has reporters in Iraq)

The kennel joined in:
  • I heard that Fox does not even have a Baghdad beaureau anymore. Now that's Real Journalism.

How ignorant are these biased bassets that they don't even know who the reporters are or where they are stationed?



As we said, this is an old standby, harkening back to their claim that FNC has "no overseas bureaus" whatsoever! It's a hound lie that has been thoroughly discredited, and yet they are still putting it forth as true.

Another old trick: if you don't like someone who appears on Fox, it's not enough to ridicule and try to discredit him. Instead, go the extra mile and insist that only Fox is disreputable enough to put him on. Remember this hound claim? Well, a good smear is worth repeating, so now it's radio host Mark Williams, about whom chrish asserts:
There is a reason why Williams is not interviewed by reputable news networks.

Now where do you suppose she got that idea from? Right, she made it up! Ahem:
  • CNN, August 10 2005: And live in Sacramento, California, Mark Williams, talk radio host for KFBK in Sacramento.
  • CNN, Sept 8 2005: Joining us live from Sacramento, California, Mark Williams, talk show host for KFBK Radio....
  • CNN, Sept 30 2005: Joining us live from Sacramento, California, Mark Williams, KFBK talk radio host.
  • CNN, Oct 25, 2005: Live tonight in Sacrament, California is Mark Williams, a syndicated talk radio host at KFBK radio.
  • CNN, Feb 22 2006: Radio talk show host Mark Williams has been getting plenty of calls opposing the deal. He joins us from Sacramento.
  • MSNBC, Aug 23 2005: Let me bring in Mark Williams, who is a radio talk show host and is launching his caravan tour from California...
  • MSNBC, Sept 12 2006: And from Sacramento, California, radio talk show host Mark Williams.  Welcome both.
  • MSNBC, Sept 19 2006: ...and from Sacramento, California, radio talk show host, Mark Williams.
  • MSNBC, Sept 26 2006: And from Sacramento, California, radio talk show host Mark Williams.
  • MSNBC, Oct 26 2006: ...and from Sacramento, California, talk radio host Mark Williams. 

There's more, but for reasons of space we held it to five examples per. Why do they make such transparently false claims?

A different question for Marie-Therese: why can't she admit when she's wrong? M-T was so taken with Bart Stupak (D) on Neil Cavuto's show that she couldn't contain herself. Cavuto looked "foolish", Stupak wiped the floor with him, etc. And then, the cherry on the sundae:
As for the Congressman, you can bet we'll never see him again on a FOX News business show.

Flash forward just a few weeks to June 13. Who appeared not just on a Fox business show, but on the very same program with the very same Neil Cavuto? Awww, you guessed it:

CAVUTO: I am very happy to have back Congressman Stupak. Congressman, where are those commissions?
STUPAK: Where are those commissions? Well, actually, our piece of legislation is before the Senate, and Senator Cantwell from Washington has almost identical legislation as mine....

Did the newshounds note his appearance? Did they admit they were wrong? Did they credit Fox for bringing him back? Um, no. Instead the hounds published a "Cavuto-Is-A-Liar" article that made no mention whatsoever of Bart Stupak's return appearance! Now there's a shocker.

But M-T did find time to disgorge her venom on a Catholic priest. Because Father Jonathan Morris had the unmitigated nerve to actually reflect Catholic philosophy when appearing on Fox, he got the smear treatment. (Recall how the anti-Fox terriers previously published comments calling Fr Morris a "pedophile".) He belongs to a "highly-secret, cult-like order" (i.e. the Legion of Christ, which is not an order, and is so highly-secret that it has its own website). What's more, he "preached"! Oh, and note the obligatory phrase that M-T uses every time she attacks Fr Morris: "baby-faced". Why do you suppose she keeps coming back to that? It took only minutes for one of the kennel-dwellers to deliver her lines:
  • like morris knows the first thing about the role of women. first, he's gay; second, he's lived the majority of his life living with nothing but men where women are treated as second class citizens by his chosen religion. and three, he's very insecure about his manhood so he has to belittle women in order to make his penis seem larger. he's the type of gay man that has known he was gay from birth and therefore has had no interest in even understanding women and their role in society.... Edited By Siteowner

Did you catch that last phrase? This comment was edited by the biased bassets, and they approved those smears and personal attacks. One can only imagine the sort of venomous bilge that didn't make the cut!

For the ultimate irony, over a year ago Fr Morris appeared in a segment on immigration. At that time the hounds didn't say one word about his "ultra-secret" order because he "made an amazing point" and was "exactly right". And, true to Fox hater tradition, another Newshound Nostradamus tried again to predict the future:
I doubt we'll be seeing much more of him on Fox.

Right. Check. Finally, we have to thank ellen for making our day. In her zeal to slander those who expose her falsehoods, she ran over to somebody else's blog to post what her intensive investigation has proved to be the real truth about the infamous johnny dollar:
  • By the way, if you do some research on him, you’ll find out he was arrested many years ago (I believe it was in the ’70’s) for political dirty tricks.

Three minutes later:
  • Before J$ goes into a paroxysm of snarls and yelps, I may be wrong about the arrest. He may just have been charged. My recollection is that he pleaded guilty.

Fifteen minutes, and possibly a few frantic phone calls later:
  • Oops, stop the presses! I may have been wrong about the political dirty tricks… I was unable to find the article in my archived emails from 2004 and I may be misremembering or confusing him with someone else.

It's that newshound accuracy and honesty once again. Hey Ellen, keep digging, and make sure to publish every phony rumor you can find about J$ all over the internet. It will do wonders for your credibility.

posted: Sun - June 17, 2007 at 01:24 PM       j$p  send 

Fox Fan
Would it do wonders for Ellen's credibility if she kept publishing phony lies? Sadly, yes. The baying bassets would yelp right along with her no matter what Chinese poison dog food quality stories she fed them.
 
After reading the comments linked to at sknabt's site, I noticed something odd. I get the impression that sknabt addresses comments from me and J$ as if we're the same person. Then in his article, he says "If a Fox Fan, like Johnny Dollar, is really upset...", capitalizing the Fan. sknabt, believe it or not, there is more than one Fox fan on this Earth. Many more than in your most horrifying "Night of the Living Fox Fan" nightmares.
June 17, 2007, 10:16:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Daytona
I would imagine that the "premier" independent website for the truth about the FNC would draw in hordes of Fox Fans. Where are they? You only have 2 comments (sometimes zero) excluding mine on all of your pieces. We all know you are the same person. Especially telling when Johnny Dollar posts and then within a minute Fox Fan or your other alias Proud American chime in about how right and great you are. There has to be a psychologist near where you live. Check them out and get the help you need.
June 18, 2007, 3:58:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
> You only have 2 comments (sometimes zero) excluding mine on all of your pieces.
 
That could be because there's very little to dispute when the truth has been printed. OTOH, that could be because you're not telling the truth:
 
'the worst king of stereotyping': comments - 16
'quick and dirty': comments - 5
'd-list blogger in d-nial': comments - 18
'there's no news value to it': comments - 11
 
If you can't even tell the truth about what's sitting right in front of you on a web page, you just might be a Fox hater. Are you?
June 18, 2007, 4:42:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Daytona
Ha! You are too funny. You pick through your best results and 18 is your highest. A back and forth between 3 people doesn't count. Fox with millions of viewers and you are the "premier" website and you only have 3 people visit not counting David Assman. You are a sad loser. You should have hundreds on each one (like Newshounds). My god the freepers keep threads going for years and none of them can find and support your site. That is messed up. Maybe you should make the "premier" site better by opening up to the small percentage that own PCs instead of MACs. I do however love coming to your site just to see how many don't. Keep up the good work. Truth hurts doesn't it.
June 18, 2007, 11:28:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
If your point is that popularity is the measure of quality, then that makes Fox News the best cable news channel. I'll go with that. Thank you for your comment.
June 18, 2007, 11:49:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Daytona
Popular with who exactly? You may recall that Hitler was "popular" with quite a few Germans back in the day. Yes he had millions of followers just like FNC does now. I guess that would make you one of the hitler youth. Nice try. You lose again.
June 19, 2007, 4:08:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
You're the one who brought up popularity. You hung yourself with your own noose. Thank you for your comment.
June 19, 2007, 4:21:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Interloper
Sorry if some of us readers don't comment, but we're still here Daytona. At least Johnny Dollar's article was backed up by specific facts.
June 20, 2007, 9:37:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Mark Williams
You are not getting a huge comment response because the Internet trolls who pack haloscan comment boxes are zeolots, enabled by public assistance checks. In fact, if you spend a little time trolling their own sites you will find detailed instructions and talking points for finding and packing open sites such as yours.
 
Your audience on the other hand is seeking truth and information not delusion reinforcing affirmation. They take that information and use it. The zealots and freaks fear truthful information and hide from reality. On the Internet they do it with volumnes of data, trying to make their tiny numbers appear larger...just like on the street corner where screaming equates with "winning" a point in these mental defective's minds (yes, liberalism IS a mental defect, one which would produce a fatal end prior to reproduction in the wild but is encouraged and nurtured among humans by medical science).
 
Keep up your great work,and thank you!
August 12, 2007, 5:46:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Mr Williams, I thank you for your comments. Every once in a while we hear from someone who appears on FNC and it's always a pleasure. You know better than I do the venom that the Fox haters spew at people when they go on FNC, and I'm glad it doesn't deter you from doing so. And I feel the same way about those on the left who go on Fox.
August 12, 2007, 10:51:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply